Here (in France) authors rights prevail upon copyrights. This mean in our case that clicking on an eula (aka not a fair contract where both sides have agreed on every terms) does not suppress my rights on my work as long as it is a creative work and certainly gives NO rights to the provider of the tool used. It's very special to creative work, as it is considered a very special area of human activities.
What is really annoying to me is that it is a french company that goes in that direction, that is against everything our society has been evolving toward. To be honest I will have to check the french version of the eula to see if they have kept those parts.
And, unless there is another new eula, you forgot to read it as this is still in the eula: Here is the link for the new eula from bioware site. Extract: We have tried to address your concerns and here is the new EULA. ....... 5. Infogrames' and BioWare's Use of Variations. If you Distribute, or permit others to Distribute, your Variations, you hereby grant back to Infogrames and BioWare an irrevocable royalty-free right to use and distribute such Variations by any means.
And this is still illegal in my country where the original work of an author is protected and his rights in court are "souverain". Which means that if someone distribute any original work of an author without his written concent in a legal contract, his work is still his and a contract and repairs have to be done and paid that must be the most favorable possible to the author. And this country is still infogramme's country. On the other hand Infogramme is famous for having acquired a lot of works at incredible low rates wich then made incredible sales. Try to find what the author of "alone in the dark" say about his cooperation with them. His name is Frédérick Raynal. (in french it's here.)
1/ They said a linux client was going to be in the box.
It is not.
2/ suddenly you need windows installed to install linux things.
I don't have that.
3/ the eula:
I've read it and section 5 wich grants infogrammes rights to publish MY work without MY concent is illegal in MY country which happens to be Infogramme's country too. you hereby grant back to Infogrames and BioWare an irrevocable royalty-free right to use and distribute such Variations by any means, and to make such modifications thereto as Infogrames and/or BioWare deem are necessary to package, combine, and otherwise distribute such Variations.
This starts to smell bad.
well, yes but i'm french and was talking about France. And we also consider Sweden as being more progressive than France.
Here, such a boss (above poster) wouldnt have the back up of laws. Yesterday, a company was fined for having fired an employee by mail. the judge said in his ruling that the ease of use and speed of new way of communications should not make such matters fast and easy as they are human matters.
The laws forbid to fire anyone without a man to man meeting where the person is warned first, before anyone else in the company and where the reasons of his departure are explained.
We emphatize very much on this side of laws, as they have to protect the weakest elements of society, the strongest being... well... stronger... I mean, if laws don't protect your privacy in your boss little kingdom, who will? Ain't that one of the founding point of democracy? Or is it dead already ?
He even has the law to back him up.
Not in MY country.
I hope you take note of that fact, to re-think the situation. Maybe laws can be passed in your country too, in order to improve your situation? Here, we call those laws "social progress" and we judge other societies by them. (we even think sweden is more progressive than us.)
It's not that off topic.
After all, you're telling us all that you can't find pointers to information that refutes or substantiates this statistic and a good forum to discuss this on a page dedicated to the best search engine so far.
I guess it means there is room for improvments.
So you mean that Sklyarov was selling the product in the usa when he was arrested? No, it was elcomsoft. Sklyarov was doing a speech and got arrested for that. I see similarity in that. (abscence of) freedom of speech. What you're talking about is the second case brought after the release of Sklyarov .
for kurosawa I wasnt talking about this script influence thing, i didnt watch the movie some people talk about. so i cant have an opinion about it.
No i'm talking about his recognition of kurosawa as a great director, along with spielberg i think. Whats pretty bad, i think, in the new trilogy is the acting direction. It's terrible. It was better this time, but what could have been worse than episode one in term of acting direction? And it was a shame, as if there is ONE thing that can't be reproched to the american movies is the quality of their actors. They really are incredible. The lowest action movie (i speak about scenario not budget or number of entries) has great actors. (too bad they mostly perform in action movies, too bad there mostly is only action movies, what a loss). But, I'm not as pessimistic about the rest. I completly agree with you about the technical side. I will even go further, tecnic is everywhere in movies, yes, too much, but more, it is misused. When I see 3D everywhere to create "realistic" events, that is regular but much better done special effects, I'm always a little sad, when they could be used to create poetry. (the full avatar of this wastefull trend: final fantasy.) But i had this strange feeling that ep2 was much better in term of writing than the rest of the lot. Most comments I read are quite unpleasant against that movie. Yet, i can't help to believe one character slowly rises up above all others, quietly, discreet and subtile, yet very present in a showing off way: queen amidala character.
And this is no theft from any past work. and it is done in a very subtle way. Or beauty is in my eye only, but i don't think so.
ok he's not kurosawa, but he's one of the american directors who aknowledge kurosawa's work. Being able to recognize other people talent, and more, to aknowledge other people superiority, is a sign of talent. Also, you unkindly forget indiana johns (yes he was part of it) or ilm and its influence of todays american movies.
to get good ideas from millions of fans. Here is my addition to those scripts: don't touch the original trilogy, write a new script and do episodes 7, 8 and 9. american director are too lazy when it comes to stories: sequels and re-make.
You just made me realize how surrounded by bar code I am. I never gave a thought to that. I was kinda thinking, he must have it in his wallet. all right, i see your point. yet, "regular" persons can't make another one give a password by phone, but there are some who can. Are you sure there isn't some kind of persons who can find out which bar code you used in less than 5 attemps with good chances?
and now that you told everybody that you carry your password in your pocket, you've become the weakest link to the weakest link to log onto the company network.
what drove me to linux was technical merit AND freedom, or if you prefer freedom AND technical merit. They both (Linux and RMS) incarnate those points. To the point that this kind of articles is boring and "deja vu". The only problem I see is that nobody represents the "free as in beer side", which may be a side effect of the gpl, but is an important one. If we enter an "age of information" society, the means to legally access information shall not be impossible to the poorer part of the population. Which is what happen when the components of an information system are expensive, wether they are software or hardware. You are either cut from the rest of the civil society by not having access to vital piece of information or obliged to enter illegallity, which also cut you from the rest of the civil socity. Cutting his own population in two is the only thing a democraty cannot survive.
Honestly I'm trying to figure out what the goals are
Then go and read the posts in the atheos list where he announce his thing. There's quite interresting stuff in those exchanges. After some flame about forking from many persons, he fists acknowledge that he wasnt clear enough about his project then he states that this is not a fork of atheos
what he plans is: he takes the atheos api which he likes, add the beos api which he likes, put this on top of linux kernel which he likes, in order to replace someday X which he dislikes and which is the real target of his project.
he is in no way forking atheos as this is a linux (kernel) project, using code from atheos project found valuable. open source at his best in my books. It's too often that valuable projects just can't reuse existing code to cry a river when some valuable code is found usable.
on the coding side, he claims having 6 months of work into the projects already. But just yesterday, I was talking about this project and said:"there isnt even a site!". So i guess this project entered the "there isnt even screenshots yet" phase, but for me, i'm going to be a little more humble and wait and see.
by the way, you should be able to have this thing run alongside X....
Have you got ill off your keyboard?
no, but my keyboard got ill on me. I spilled my coffe cup on it one hour ago. The thing is utterly wasted (big cup, hot coffee).
Well, that's the way true keyboard must depart! So long buddy. You really had your way, especially when you add those little annoying useless letters at really bad times, but I kinda liked you.
I can't say I really like this new generation keyboard I reaplaced you with. Too much hype! wireless is good for changing channels with xawdecode, but is worth nothing in strafe jumping!
I really miss you...
on an unrelated note, this fufme site looks down...
this look too much like many persons I've worked with. The funniest part being, they actually were on the management side of the compagny. So, either it's prior art,though not yet recognized as genetic engeenering, or you didn't actually succeed in describing a new specie.
Unfortunatly, the whole thing had to be taken down as they released a cease and decist letter from disney claiming they we're infringing their intellectual property of a human/mouse entity designed to increase his owner's wealth, currently named the mickey mouse project. disney has no humour about humouse.
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Here (in France) authors rights prevail upon copyrights. This mean in our case that clicking on an eula (aka not a fair contract where both sides have agreed on every terms) does not suppress my rights on my work as long as it is a creative work and certainly gives NO rights to the provider of the tool used. It's very special to creative work, as it is considered a very special area of human activities.
What is really annoying to me is that it is a french company that goes in that direction, that is against everything our society has been evolving toward.
To be honest I will have to check the french version of the eula to see if they have kept those parts.
You should read those too:
here
here
And, unless there is another new eula, you forgot to read it as this is still in the eula:
Here is the link for the new eula from bioware site.
Extract:
We have tried to address your concerns and here is the new EULA.
.......
5. Infogrames' and BioWare's Use of Variations. If you Distribute, or permit others to Distribute, your Variations, you hereby grant back to Infogrames and BioWare an irrevocable royalty-free right to use and distribute such Variations by any means.
And this is still illegal in my country where the original work of an author is protected and his rights in court are "souverain". Which means that if someone distribute any original work of an author without his written concent in a legal contract, his work is still his and a contract and repairs have to be done and paid that must be the most favorable possible to the author.
And this country is still infogramme's country.
On the other hand Infogramme is famous for having acquired a lot of works at incredible low rates wich then made incredible sales. Try to find what the author of "alone in the dark" say about his cooperation with them. His name is Frédérick Raynal.
(in french it's here.)
1/ They said a linux client was going to be in the box.
It is not.
2/ suddenly you need windows installed to install linux things.
I don't have that.
3/ the eula:
I've read it and section 5 wich grants infogrammes rights to publish MY work without MY concent is illegal in MY country which happens to be Infogramme's country too.
you hereby grant back to Infogrames and BioWare an irrevocable royalty-free right to use and distribute such Variations by any means, and to make such modifications thereto as Infogrames and/or BioWare deem are necessary to package, combine, and otherwise distribute such Variations.
This starts to smell bad.
well, yes but i'm french and was talking about France. And we also consider Sweden as being more progressive than France. ... well... stronger ... I mean, if laws don't protect your privacy in your boss little kingdom, who will? Ain't that one of the founding point of democracy? Or is it dead already ?
Here, such a boss (above poster) wouldnt have the back up of laws. Yesterday, a company was fined for having fired an employee by mail. the judge said in his ruling that the ease of use and speed of new way of communications should not make such matters fast and easy as they are human matters.
The laws forbid to fire anyone without a man to man meeting where the person is warned first, before anyone else in the company and where the reasons of his departure are explained.
We emphatize very much on this side of laws, as they have to protect the weakest elements of society, the strongest being
He even has the law to back him up.
Not in MY country.
I hope you take note of that fact, to re-think the situation. Maybe laws can be passed in your country too, in order to improve your situation? Here, we call those laws "social progress" and we judge other societies by them. (we even think sweden is more progressive than us.)
It's not that off topic.
After all, you're telling us all that you can't find pointers to information that refutes or substantiates this statistic and a good forum to discuss this on a page dedicated to the best search engine so far.
I guess it means there is room for improvments.
So you mean that Sklyarov was selling the product in the usa when he was arrested?
No, it was elcomsoft. Sklyarov was doing a speech and got arrested for that.
I see similarity in that. (abscence of) freedom of speech.
What you're talking about is the second case brought after the release of Sklyarov .
it starts to work, i kinda start to believe socrate is a donkey ...not.
sorry, greek logic tricks still don't work.
for kurosawa I wasnt talking about this script influence thing, i didnt watch the movie some people talk about. so i cant have an opinion about it.
No i'm talking about his recognition of kurosawa as a great director, along with spielberg i think.
Whats pretty bad, i think, in the new trilogy is the acting direction. It's terrible. It was better this time, but what could have been worse than episode one in term of acting direction? And it was a shame, as if there is ONE thing that can't be reproched to the american movies is the quality of their actors. They really are incredible. The lowest action movie (i speak about scenario not budget or number of entries) has great actors. (too bad they mostly perform in action movies, too bad there mostly is only action movies, what a loss).
But, I'm not as pessimistic about the rest.
I completly agree with you about the technical side. I will even go further, tecnic is everywhere in movies, yes, too much, but more, it is misused. When I see 3D everywhere to create "realistic" events, that is regular but much better done special effects, I'm always a little sad, when they could be used to create poetry. (the full avatar of this wastefull trend: final fantasy.)
But i had this strange feeling that ep2 was much better in term of writing than the rest of the lot. Most comments I read are quite unpleasant against that movie. Yet, i can't help to believe one character slowly rises up above all others, quietly, discreet and subtile, yet very present in a showing off way: queen amidala character.
And this is no theft from any past work. and it is done in a very subtle way.
Or beauty is in my eye only, but i don't think so.
your logic tricks, they dont work with me...
ep1 is quite shitty, ok. ep2 is much better in term of writing than the rest of the lot.
ok he's not kurosawa, but he's one of the american directors who aknowledge kurosawa's work. Being able to recognize other people talent, and more, to aknowledge other people superiority, is a sign of talent.
Also, you unkindly forget indiana johns (yes he was part of it) or ilm and its influence of todays american movies.
to get good ideas from millions of fans.
Here is my addition to those scripts:
don't touch the original trilogy, write a new script and do episodes 7, 8 and 9.
american director are too lazy when it comes to stories: sequels and re-make.
strangely, only the babe booth babes is affected by the slashdot effect.
Which I find annoying because it's the only page I wanted to reach.
You just made me realize how surrounded by bar code I am. I never gave a thought to that. I was kinda thinking, he must have it in his wallet. all right, i see your point.
yet, "regular" persons can't make another one give a password by phone, but there are some who can. Are you sure there isn't some kind of persons who can find out which bar code you used in less than 5 attemps with good chances?
and now that you told everybody that you carry your password in your pocket, you've become the weakest link to the weakest link to log onto the company network.
what drove me to linux was technical merit AND freedom, or if you prefer freedom AND technical merit.
They both (Linux and RMS) incarnate those points. To the point that this kind of articles is boring and "deja vu".
The only problem I see is that nobody represents the "free as in beer side", which may be a side effect of the gpl, but is an important one. If we enter an "age of information" society, the means to legally access information shall not be impossible to the poorer part of the population.
Which is what happen when the components of an information system are expensive, wether they are software or hardware. You are either cut from the rest of the civil society by not having access to vital piece of information or obliged to enter illegallity, which also cut you from the rest of the civil socity.
Cutting his own population in two is the only thing a democraty cannot survive.
Honestly I'm trying to figure out what the goals are
Then go and read the posts in the atheos list where he announce his thing. There's quite interresting stuff in those exchanges. After some flame about forking from many persons, he fists acknowledge that he wasnt clear enough about his project then he states that this is not a fork of atheos
what he plans is: he takes the atheos api which he likes, add the beos api which he likes, put this on top of linux kernel which he likes, in order to replace someday X which he dislikes and which is the real target of his project.
he is in no way forking atheos as this is a linux (kernel) project, using code from atheos project found valuable. open source at his best in my books. It's too often that valuable projects just can't reuse existing code to cry a river when some valuable code is found usable.
on the coding side, he claims having 6 months of work into the projects already. But just yesterday, I was talking about this project and said:"there isnt even a site!". So i guess this project entered the "there isnt even screenshots yet" phase, but for me, i'm going to be a little more humble and wait and see.
by the way, you should be able to have this thing run alongside X....
Have you got ill off your keyboard?
no, but my keyboard got ill on me. I spilled my coffe cup on it one hour ago. The thing is utterly wasted (big cup, hot coffee).
Well, that's the way true keyboard must depart! So long buddy. You really had your way, especially when you add those little annoying useless letters at really bad times, but I kinda liked you.
I can't say I really like this new generation keyboard I reaplaced you with. Too much hype! wireless is good for changing channels with xawdecode, but is worth nothing in strafe jumping!
I really miss you...
on an unrelated note, this fufme site looks down...
on the contrary, i tried to mean that volume isn't all, and in fact isn't much if there's not a good spirit to make it enjoyable.
this link is for you:
here
It's true about girl-friends as well.
this look too much like many persons I've worked with. The funniest part being, they actually were on the management side of the compagny.
So, either it's prior art,though not yet recognized as genetic engeenering, or you didn't actually succeed in describing a new specie.
Unfortunatly, the whole thing had to be taken down as they released a cease and decist letter from disney claiming they we're infringing their intellectual property of a human/mouse entity designed to increase his owner's wealth, currently named the mickey mouse project.
disney has no humour about humouse.