If it's part of the OS fine, but Apache, KDE, Gnome, ect are not part of the Operating System. Therefore your point is invalid. I don't know whether it's the rapidly dropping age on/. or willful blindness, but an OS does not include a GUI, webserver, or any other userland app.
You post summed up in a word: wrong. A GUI is not part of the OS, it is a user application to ease use of the system. It's not critical, it's not necessary, it's not part of the OS. The definition of an OS isn't changing, never has. The definition of what constitutes the system of the whole, maybe. Yes a Linux distribution may be considered incomplete if a GUI wasn't distributed (not by me, I don't need pretty buttons to click on, X on my machine is just a way to manage multiple terminals), but that wouldn't make it an incomplete OS, you could say, however, that the system is incomplete as a whole, because not enough (standard?) user applications were included.
It's not just a tool, GNU utils are what make the kernel usable. How hard is it to understand that. Let's try a little experiment. Install run, and use Linux without GNU tools, let me know how much work you get done. GNU tools, GCC included are not hammers and screwdrivers that have no contact with a project post assembly.
That's short sighted. To begin, X Windows is not the be all and end all of the Linux experience. I happily do without it. When I use it, it's sole purpose is to fire off terminals. This must be a troll, though based on this line:
GNU's contribution certainly isn't enough to deserve equal mention in the name of the operating system
There would BE no Linux without the GNU tools, clue me in, how are you interacting with the kernel without GNU? What shell are you using, what compiler? Which editor are you changing configuration files with?
I agree, I still call it Linux, even though I feel the proper name is GNU/Linux. I also ask for a coke when I go out to eat, even though I know I may get a pepsi instead. I want to be a pure idealist, and I agree 100% with RMS but the convenience factor plays a major role. Saying GNU/Linux doesn't roll as well, though I kick myself sometimes when I just say Linux.
The issue is that it is another attempt by a corporation to take away rights that they can't (shouldn't) be allowed to take. Original content created by me is MINE, regardless of the tools I use to create it, or how I view it. We've been through this all before, when Nintendo (unsuccessfully) tried to sue a company for making games that worked with their system. Regardless of the EULA I CAN sell my modules if I like, just as I can sell a document I made with Word (not that I'd use word;)) or a JPG I made with The Gimp.
This is equivalent to Ford saying that because I used Ford tools to machine after market engine parts for my Mustang that they can take ownership of those parts (or at least the design) at any time, and that I can not sell those parts to others.
I'm fine with the concept of selling software, I may believe in OSS but not exclusively, and as a coder I won't begrudge other coders the oppurtunity to make a living selling their software. What I am not ok with is Bioware turning corporate thug and trying to tell me what I can or cannot do with MY creations. Furthermore, I believe that despite Derek's statements to the contrary I CAN use copyrighted characters and settings provided that I don't make a profit from them, I'm reasonably certain this falls under fair use hence fan fiction.
Regardless of whether I agree with the license included, I don't have to live without the product. Bioware is (will be) selling a tool, once that tool is in my posession I can do with it what I like, when I like. I've agreed to the only license term that should be legal, I've paid some monetary price for the use of this tool, I will not copy it and circumvent Bioware's ability to make a living selling this tool, by distributing the copys, but that is the ONLY moral obligation I feel I owe once the product is purchased.
All I can say is that I wish I had the cash to fight them on this. It would be a worthy cause to start a company who's whole purpose is to expose the shit that software developers are trying to pull. I'd love to create a module, sell it for a penny and fight Bioware in court over my right to do so.
So by your own admission he was relatively benign. You've just pointed out that he wasn't in the same bracket as Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot, which makes him relatively benign in comparison to him.
And from the support front, I'd say that *nix's are much easier to understand than Windows. Cronjob's easy, I could explain to my mother how they work in less than five minutes. Trying to explain NT's at, no thanks. The pretty little pictures that get put on the screen for users just get in the way of efficient administration (for the most part).
This is true. I'm betting you could get away with something like Word. Technically I'm sure the trademark is on Microsoft Word (anyone volunteer to look it up?). RedHat could make RedHat Word with no trademark infringement. Or at least I'd hope so, but I could be wrong, TSR was allowed to trademark the word nazi which seems bogus to me.
I should apologize for that, I got/. syndrome and went too far and ignored other superbike contenders. My point however still stands, different bikes for different applications. Buell's are (as of yet) untouchable for handling (excluding some dual sports which do come close, but they certainly don't have top speed.
Heh, that's what I figured. And that's what rice burners like to think, they need some sort of external validation, but when it comes to performance out come the squids. Trying to disparage something just because their bike can't handle it is the mark of a child, or an idiot.
And society changes. There is still nothing iherently good or bad in activity vs. inactivity. We are much less active than we were 100 years ago, is this bad, of course not, is our quality of life better, who knows, in general I'd say yes, but that's just an opinion. Out of shape is a term laced with opinion, it means nothing. Out of shape for what?
What did I just get done saying? Talk about blind, SpuperBike is NOT the only racing for bikes out there. Did I not JUST get done talking about BattleTrax. Are you so completely stupid that you can't read a whole post and understand it. Again, bring your Jap bike to BattleTrax I'll smoke you on my Buell. Is it the best bike out there, no. There's no such thing, is it the best handling bike, yes. Is it American, yes. Will it lose on a superbike course, yes. Is Superbike the only thing that defines the quality of a bike, no.
imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.
Don't need to, I've seen it. Well a Buell which is owned by HD. There wasn't a Japanese bike there that could beat the Buell's. In fact the best Japanese bike riders best time's weren't hitting the average Buell time. You want to talk top speed, then we'll talk Japanese bikes, you want to talk handling, we'll talk Buell. It's funny everytime I go to BattleTrax I see frustrated Japanese bike riders who realize that for all their elitism, Buell's handle better. It all depends on application. Want to run a superbike track, ok fine the Jap bikes are better. Want to run through the twisties, can't beat a Buell.
I haven't even touched the quality of ride aspect of it, faster does not equal better.
Yeah, keep the elitism to yourself please. You may not think it's elitism but it is. You've basically just said "the lifestyle I choose is better than the lifestyle you choose". Which is not only arrogant, but completely meanigless. There is no more inherent quality in say, playing a sports video game, as opposed to actually playing the sport. It's all part of the personality of the person in question. Your comment isn't insightful, it's worthless. Who are you to determine what life is, and how someone should live it. I'm sure for people who don't want children (and like games), a game is infinitely better than a smile from a kid.
Yes, I have to admit that that was cool. The first little bit of the battle was cool until Yoda started going apeshit and flying everywhere. They could have done a much better (and longer) sequence worthy of Yoda. The way it was done, however, brought back dissapointing memories of Jar Jar diving into the water in EP1. A poster's sig I see a lot is something along the lines of "Some times programmers get so caught up in what they can do the don't stop to think about what they should". Replace programmers with animators and you'll sum up my feelings on CG in recent Star Wars flicks.
Everybody else is doing is not only untrue, it's not a valid defense of the crap in this movie. There's a difference between deciding to add a car chase, and deciding to add a car chase form the 5th Element. The movie bit, bit hard and the fact that it's in the Star Wars universe does not excuse it from being bad.
You must be joking. That duel SUCKED. It was more funny than bad ass, there was no excuse for the battle squeal he emitted, nor was there any excuse for the flipping around and clibming off of the walls. It did absolutely nothing for the scene, and just looked ridiculous. Had it been a brand new character rather than Yoda no on would have liked it.
You have got to be kidding, not to defend Ep1 which Ep2 was only slightly better than. But the light saber battle in this sucked, it was entirely too short and made Yoda into comic relief. Of all it's shortcomings Ep1 had one of the best light saber duels. Ep2 has the cool multi jedi attack, but comeon Lucas stole the entire inspiration for that from Gladiator, in a lame attempt to capitalize of movie themes that were successful in the past. Yoda flying around like an idiot was stupid, as was his battle cry (err I mean squeal) when he first attacked. If it weren't Yoda no one would have been entertained, Lucas is using his "Get out of Jail Free" card by using the net provided by putting classic characters into different situations and using post shadowing ( it can only be foreshadowing when you don't know what's going to happen) stuff from 4,5, and 6. This movie gets a 5/10 at best, mainly because Portman's hotness more than makes up for her bad acting.
It's a decent game but it got old, really quickly, like several hours quickly. As of yet, I've seen nothing to compare to the quality of FFX, MGS2, or GTA3. You don't tend to see (as) many different games from Nintendo either. The experimental, groundbreaking games usually come out for PS before anything else, if at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the Cube, I'm fully expecting some games in the future for it, but I won't buy a system now on the chance that games in the future will be good. There's no reason to gamble on something like this. By the time the really good games come out for the cube it'll have dropped in price. If they never materialize, I'll never have to buy it.
I have yet to see a really good game for the Cube, at least not one that has made me want to buy it. And you can leave your "Look what's coming out argument at home" I prefer to play my system now with great games now, of which there are plenty on PS2, not wait for games that may or may not be good in the future.
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If it's part of the OS fine, but Apache, KDE, Gnome, ect are not part of the Operating System. Therefore your point is invalid. I don't know whether it's the rapidly dropping age on /. or willful blindness, but an OS does not include a GUI, webserver, or any other userland app.
You post summed up in a word: wrong. A GUI is not part of the OS, it is a user application to ease use of the system. It's not critical, it's not necessary, it's not part of the OS. The definition of an OS isn't changing, never has. The definition of what constitutes the system of the whole, maybe. Yes a Linux distribution may be considered incomplete if a GUI wasn't distributed (not by me, I don't need pretty buttons to click on, X on my machine is just a way to manage multiple terminals), but that wouldn't make it an incomplete OS, you could say, however, that the system is incomplete as a whole, because not enough (standard?) user applications were included.
It's not just a tool, GNU utils are what make the kernel usable. How hard is it to understand that. Let's try a little experiment. Install run, and use Linux without GNU tools, let me know how much work you get done. GNU tools, GCC included are not hammers and screwdrivers that have no contact with a project post assembly.
GNU's contribution certainly isn't enough to deserve equal mention in the name of the operating system
There would BE no Linux without the GNU tools, clue me in, how are you interacting with the kernel without GNU? What shell are you using, what compiler? Which editor are you changing configuration files with?
I agree, I still call it Linux, even though I feel the proper name is GNU/Linux. I also ask for a coke when I go out to eat, even though I know I may get a pepsi instead. I want to be a pure idealist, and I agree 100% with RMS but the convenience factor plays a major role. Saying GNU/Linux doesn't roll as well, though I kick myself sometimes when I just say Linux.
I think you are missing the point. Their EULA is invalid. They cannot legally make those claims, regardless of whether or not they put it into a EULA.
This is equivalent to Ford saying that because I used Ford tools to machine after market engine parts for my Mustang that they can take ownership of those parts (or at least the design) at any time, and that I can not sell those parts to others.
I'm fine with the concept of selling software, I may believe in OSS but not exclusively, and as a coder I won't begrudge other coders the oppurtunity to make a living selling their software. What I am not ok with is Bioware turning corporate thug and trying to tell me what I can or cannot do with MY creations. Furthermore, I believe that despite Derek's statements to the contrary I CAN use copyrighted characters and settings provided that I don't make a profit from them, I'm reasonably certain this falls under fair use hence fan fiction.
Regardless of whether I agree with the license included, I don't have to live without the product. Bioware is (will be) selling a tool, once that tool is in my posession I can do with it what I like, when I like. I've agreed to the only license term that should be legal, I've paid some monetary price for the use of this tool, I will not copy it and circumvent Bioware's ability to make a living selling this tool, by distributing the copys, but that is the ONLY moral obligation I feel I owe once the product is purchased.
All I can say is that I wish I had the cash to fight them on this. It would be a worthy cause to start a company who's whole purpose is to expose the shit that software developers are trying to pull. I'd love to create a module, sell it for a penny and fight Bioware in court over my right to do so.
So by your own admission he was relatively benign. You've just pointed out that he wasn't in the same bracket as Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot, which makes him relatively benign in comparison to him.
And from the support front, I'd say that *nix's are much easier to understand than Windows. Cronjob's easy, I could explain to my mother how they work in less than five minutes. Trying to explain NT's at, no thanks. The pretty little pictures that get put on the screen for users just get in the way of efficient administration (for the most part).
Uggh, don't forget those of us who sort of likes EP1, but thought Ep2 was a cheese fest. ;)
but defeat windows on the desktop it will never do
Thanks for the opinion Yoda, but remember that's all it is opinion.
This is true. I'm betting you could get away with something like Word. Technically I'm sure the trademark is on Microsoft Word (anyone volunteer to look it up?). RedHat could make RedHat Word with no trademark infringement. Or at least I'd hope so, but I could be wrong, TSR was allowed to trademark the word nazi which seems bogus to me.
I should apologize for that, I got /. syndrome and went too far and ignored other superbike contenders. My point however still stands, different bikes for different applications. Buell's are (as of yet) untouchable for handling (excluding some dual sports which do come close, but they certainly don't have top speed.
Heh, that's what I figured. And that's what rice burners like to think, they need some sort of external validation, but when it comes to performance out come the squids. Trying to disparage something just because their bike can't handle it is the mark of a child, or an idiot.
And society changes. There is still nothing iherently good or bad in activity vs. inactivity.
We are much less active than we were 100 years ago, is this bad, of course not, is our quality of life better, who knows, in general I'd say yes, but that's just an opinion. Out of shape is a term laced with opinion, it means nothing. Out of shape for what?
What did I just get done saying? Talk about blind, SpuperBike is NOT the only racing for bikes out there. Did I not JUST get done talking about BattleTrax. Are you so completely stupid that you can't read a whole post and understand it. Again, bring your Jap bike to BattleTrax I'll smoke you on my Buell. Is it the best bike out there, no. There's no such thing, is it the best handling bike, yes. Is it American, yes. Will it lose on a superbike course, yes. Is Superbike the only thing that defines the quality of a bike, no.
imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.imagine Honda v Harley Davidson in a race.
Don't need to, I've seen it. Well a Buell which is owned by HD. There wasn't a Japanese bike there that could beat the Buell's. In fact the best Japanese bike riders best time's weren't hitting the average Buell time. You want to talk top speed, then we'll talk Japanese bikes, you want to talk handling, we'll talk Buell. It's funny everytime I go to BattleTrax I see frustrated Japanese bike riders who realize that for all their elitism, Buell's handle better. It all depends on application. Want to run a superbike track, ok fine the Jap bikes are better. Want to run through the twisties, can't beat a Buell.
I haven't even touched the quality of ride aspect of it, faster does not equal better.
Yeah, keep the elitism to yourself please. You may not think it's elitism but it is. You've basically just said "the lifestyle I choose is better than the lifestyle you choose". Which is not only arrogant, but completely meanigless. There is no more inherent quality in say, playing a sports video game, as opposed to actually playing the sport. It's all part of the personality of the person in question.
Your comment isn't insightful, it's worthless. Who are you to determine what life is, and how someone should live it. I'm sure for people who don't want children (and like games), a game is infinitely better than a smile from a kid.
No. Bad artists steal. Great artists create something original.
Yes, I have to admit that that was cool. The first little bit of the battle was cool until Yoda started going apeshit and flying everywhere. They could have done a much better (and longer) sequence worthy of Yoda. The way it was done, however, brought back dissapointing memories of Jar Jar diving into the water in EP1. A poster's sig I see a lot is something along the lines of "Some times programmers get so caught up in what they can do the don't stop to think about what they should". Replace programmers with animators and you'll sum up my feelings on CG in recent Star Wars flicks.
Everybody else is doing is not only untrue, it's not a valid defense of the crap in this movie. There's a difference between deciding to add a car chase, and deciding to add a car chase form the 5th Element. The movie bit, bit hard and the fact that it's in the Star Wars universe does not excuse it from being bad.
You must be joking. That duel SUCKED. It was more funny than bad ass, there was no excuse for the battle squeal he emitted, nor was there any excuse for the flipping around and clibming off of the walls. It did absolutely nothing for the scene, and just looked ridiculous. Had it been a brand new character rather than Yoda no on would have liked it.
You have got to be kidding, not to defend Ep1 which Ep2 was only slightly better than. But the light saber battle in this sucked, it was entirely too short and made Yoda into comic relief. Of all it's shortcomings Ep1 had one of the best light saber duels. Ep2 has the cool multi jedi attack, but comeon Lucas stole the entire inspiration for that from Gladiator, in a lame attempt to capitalize of movie themes that were successful in the past. Yoda flying around like an idiot was stupid, as was his battle cry (err I mean squeal) when he first attacked. If it weren't Yoda no one would have been entertained, Lucas is using his "Get out of Jail Free" card by using the net provided by putting classic characters into different situations and using post shadowing ( it can only be foreshadowing when you don't know what's going to happen) stuff from 4,5, and 6. This movie gets a 5/10 at best, mainly because Portman's hotness more than makes up for her bad acting.
It's a decent game but it got old, really quickly, like several hours quickly. As of yet, I've seen nothing to compare to the quality of FFX, MGS2, or GTA3. You don't tend to see (as) many different games from Nintendo either. The experimental, groundbreaking games usually come out for PS before anything else, if at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the Cube, I'm fully expecting some games in the future for it, but I won't buy a system now on the chance that games in the future will be good. There's no reason to gamble on something like this. By the time the really good games come out for the cube it'll have dropped in price. If they never materialize, I'll never have to buy it.
I have yet to see a really good game for the Cube, at least not one that has made me want to buy it. And you can leave your "Look what's coming out argument at home" I prefer to play my system now with great games now, of which there are plenty on PS2, not wait for games that may or may not be good in the future.