Couldn't someone sue them for this, since it's being done so discreetly? I know when I buy a cd I assume it conforms to the redbook standard(or whatever) and will allow me to rip it. I don't even listen to CDs anymore except in mp3 format--too much hassle compared to the incredible ease of making playlists on the computer, or 700 minutes of mp3s to a cd and listening to them in my mp3-cd player.
So, find out what CDs these are, and lets start a class action lawsuit. I bet you could get half of Slashdot in on it...
It's lying. Read the freaking article--it isn't a complaint that they accept paid advertisements. The complaint is about search sites that mix the paid advertisements in with the ACTUAL results, providing no way for a viewer to know whether a site is actually relevant to your query, or just a site that paid the search engine some money.
This is nothing more than lying.
See how it specifically points out Google, which has clearly marked "SPONSORED LINKS" at the top of your query results, with the actual relevant results below that? That is perfectly fine.
Read first, then post.
(karma whore)
haha!
of course!
There was never any art before copyright. No music, no writing, no painting, no NOTHING.
And if we let Napster and such go free and share copyrighted ideas, then we'll be back into the dark ages with absolutely no creativity, original thought, or art.
Yey Yey for the DMCA!
not true!
corporations now have all the rights of private citizens.
isn't the US of A wonderful?
that's why corporations can make "donations" to politicians in exchange for favors
(like, hey Mr Bush, I think we might have a few million to "donate" to you if you let us pollute in your citizens' back yards)
If someone stood up at the senator's press conference, jumped in front of his mike, and started pitching printer cartridges to his audience, would he say "oh, that's ok, he has free speech rights"?
The issue here is what forum you can exercise free speech at. Anyone who wants to talk at a forum they paid for or otherwise obtained the rights to speak at, that's free speech.
If you go and steal someone else's time, money and resources, forcing them to listen to you, that is *not* free speech. That's theft and public disturbance.
Wouldn't you think he'd try to pass some more defined amendments to the Freedom of Information Act, or some new legislation, to permit members of government to keep personal e-mail not-subject to such laws?
Rather than just giving up on technology altogether? Guess this is what we get for voting in a conservative candidate(oh wait-we didn't! how ironic) - he'd rather leave legislation alone with stupid and inane results (the nation's president can't use e-mail) than try to make some changes to shitty legislation.
If there *is* any truth to this article, there's still no good evidence that PDAs have any relevance. I think a more likely cause would be information overload. When, before the internet, could you get so much interesting and relevant information so fast? The library would be the closest thing, and that takes a lot of time looking up books, and the information within is generally years stale.
Now on the internet I have information relevant to any query available, and TONS of it. Not to mention all the news I care about available mailed to my e-mail address, or accessed from my bookmarked sites.
Maybe for the first time in history people are filling up their memory before their old enough to blame it on disease..
"which scrambles output from a computer sound card so that music streams can't be taped and copied at that point."
What? So when we listen to our digitally protected audio the sound comes out of our speakers scrambled? WTF? No.
No matter what they do I can still replace my speakers with an eigth inch line out to a tape recorder, or even straight into the line-in of my other computer for immediate re-conversion to digital. Better yet, with true digital speaker output, I bet the sound quality remains perfect. There's nothing they can do about it. They need to give up now and start changing their market to fit new technology, instead of trying to do impossible things with technology to maintain a market that should have ended 5 years ago when they started charging 20$ for a 10-song CD.
If I want to buy a song I like, I'll go to CDnow or emusic.
If I want to sample a song or band, to see if it's worth paying for an album or individual song, then I find a friend to sample the music from. I've been buying a LOT more music now that I have thousands of "friends" on Napster to sample from, as opposed to only a few friends who like music similar to mine.
Some of my favorite bands, for instance Pain and Johnny Socko, I would never have even heard of without being able to sample it for free. Napster helps small artists get their music to people outside their home town.
If the more mail, the less the cost of stamps, wouldn't returning bulk mail give the post office *more* money? Taken straight out of the pocket of the company you're trying to get back at? It works perfectly.
The businesses might start putting some code on each return envelope to identify the address to which it was sent. Of course you could claim you threw the junk mail on a stack of paper recycling and anyone could have come along and sent it.
I doubt any law against return envelope stuffing would be enforcable.
A lot of engaging responses to my post. The general theme seemed to be "there's nothing wrong with pop" and "pop people aren't always unhappy".
I agree with both.
My point was that there are people who do things they don't like, just to fit in. Just because everyone else does. Whether it's a certain type of music, wearing skanky clothes, or doing drugs, there are people doing these things not because they want to, but because of peer pressure.
I'd like to note that there are just as many pop kids listening to Nsync and Britney Spears dissatisfied as there are metal kids and punks who are afraid of what their friends might think about them liking country or classical or even pop.
The point, however cliche, is do what you want. Listen to the music you like, wear the clothes you think look good and are comfortable. People will like you for who you are. And anyone who doesn't...well, you don't want to be friends with them anyway! A friendship based on acting fake is a fake friendship.
Best to do what makes you happy, whether that's dying your hair and listening to punk, sitting at home playing Counter-Strike, or listening to Britney Spears.
But, I'm not that anti-social. I have friends. The people with yellow and green hair are my friends (you have to love punk rockers), the l33t hax0rs at school, the somewhat-suicidal ones, and my fellow geeks. I am happy. Isn't that all that matters? The pop culture people look happy, but they aren't. They need music and icons to tell them who to be.
I found this comment really insightful - it summarized my own thoughts own popularity/nerdiness/loserosity better than I have ever put them. I always thought that was true, that the pop people are less happy; they're too busy trying to conform and hold their "position" that they forget to just enjoy life. While they're insulting us "geeks" to try and make themselves look better, we're just ignoring them and having fun.
All in all great responses from a seemingly random (l)user! Thanks Clinton
No one is this stupid people, really. Especially with the Christmas Eve paragraph at the bottom, it's obvious they were joking. Taking the "I'm a congressman" viewpoint to poke fun and perhaps get some funny responses from knee-jerkers who took it seriously.
Plus, perhaps to get some good commentary in response to the pathetic idea of "if you're not doing anything wrong, it doesn't matter"
Bend over for the MPAA's gloved hand, your basic rights are about to be yanked.
No one is blaming Microsoft for trying to make money.
We're blaming colleges for being too short-sighted to realize they're binding their students company-specific software.
At my school just about everyone has a copy of MSVC++6, but the courses still force us to use OS-independent tools, the Amulet GUI for instance. And since all our programs are OS independent, we're allowed to turn in programs done on a Unix machine.
Teach a man to fish, you've fed him for life. Teach a man to fish by hitting a proprietary button on an MS brand fishing pole, and you've fed Microsoft for life.
How can you say Nintendo and Sega are "crushed" compared to Sony's games? The Dreamcast is two years old, yet its graphics on NFL2K are comparable(if not better) than PS2's flagship(i.e. "only good") game, Madden. And further- the Dreamcast lets you play NFL2K *ONLINE*. Can your PS2 do that? Or can it play Shenmue? Can it even handle large outdoor worlds, or are you going to insist that PS2's repetitive and washed out textures blow Dreamcasts and Gamecube out of the water?
My biggest bone to pick is that you pointed out games. Nintendo and Sega have usually been followed because of their incredible first party games. They're the ones innovating. They have the most incredible ideas, and make the best games.
Meanwhile PSX and PS2 have nothing but unoriginal third-party games. Even the games that are decently good, are just not worth buying. Another fighting game? yeah, great. Another football game, another racing game. same old same old. Phantasy Star Online? Shenmue? holy shit I just about crapped my shorts!
another crappy football game, an even worse fighting game.
We've all seen the screenshots, we know it looks like jaggedy crap compared to the dreamcast. Which is pretty freakin pathetic considering the dreamcast is TWO YEARS OLD!!
Even if the Dreamcast did look worse, at 1/3 the price and with so many more(and better) games...
>>in reporting an article on DC vs PS2 that was written by a Seg-affiliated site. That's like reporting on a MS review that Linux sucks: it's pointless....
Are you expecting some psx site to release these facts? No-the only people who will are those who care. If you want to find a decent rebuttal for this go for it, but it's gonna be hard to disprove an article that's all facts.
How much is the PS2 expected to cost(at retail, not inflated price)?
And how is development going? I just remember all this jazz about developers were having troubles making use of its power, and that it's game wouldn't even look much better than Dreamcast for a couple cycles of development.
And since Dreamcast is backwards compatible with PSX through Bleem...I'm not yet seeing any reason to buy a PS2.
I hope they have some good first-party games planned...why pay 300-400$ for a gaming system worse than my PC?
Releasing any single fuel's by-products into the atmosphere is going to cause a problem. No matter what it is. But why only use one fuel? Why not have a dozen fuels, reducing the emissions of any one fuel by 11/12?
My first reason would be gas stations. Could they feasibly carry a dozen different fuels? Do different fuels have different benefits? Why not have different fuels depending on the type of car, like how some things -still- use diesel?
Also, with a dozen different fuels, there would be competition between fuels. If gas costs 1.60/gallon and rising people will just stop buying gas-powered cars, or if it gets bad enough, have their cars converted to a cheaper source. No more being screwed by gas companies..
Just like how once Napster came out suddenly no one bought any albums from the store anymore! I hope the move to Russia for copyrighted data does occur. U.S. copyright and patent law sucks, and this could force reform. It could also force companies to offer their "data" at reasonable prices. And to actually *compete* to make their data available. I.e. be able to buy songs online for 50 cents, an album for five bucks. Or will America just nuke Russia until it concedes the U.S. as the one true world power? After the DeCSS case, I think this one is more likely.
Taking a look at SUV drivers this is pretty obvious. Then again, you gotta be pretty damn stupid to buy an SUV in the first place...gaz guzzling fat ass pieces of shit...
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Couldn't someone sue them for this, since it's being done so discreetly? I know when I buy a cd I assume it conforms to the redbook standard(or whatever) and will allow me to rip it. I don't even listen to CDs anymore except in mp3 format--too much hassle compared to the incredible ease of making playlists on the computer, or 700 minutes of mp3s to a cd and listening to them in my mp3-cd player.
So, find out what CDs these are, and lets start a class action lawsuit. I bet you could get half of Slashdot in on it...
It's lying. Read the freaking article--it isn't a complaint that they accept paid advertisements. The complaint is about search sites that mix the paid advertisements in with the ACTUAL results, providing no way for a viewer to know whether a site is actually relevant to your query, or just a site that paid the search engine some money.
This is nothing more than lying.
See how it specifically points out Google, which has clearly marked "SPONSORED LINKS" at the top of your query results, with the actual relevant results below that? That is perfectly fine.
Read first, then post.
(karma whore)
haha!
of course!
There was never any art before copyright. No music, no writing, no painting, no NOTHING.
And if we let Napster and such go free and share copyrighted ideas, then we'll be back into the dark ages with absolutely no creativity, original thought, or art.
Yey Yey for the DMCA!
not true!
corporations now have all the rights of private citizens.
isn't the US of A wonderful?
that's why corporations can make "donations" to politicians in exchange for favors
(like, hey Mr Bush, I think we might have a few million to "donate" to you if you let us pollute in your citizens' back yards)
If someone stood up at the senator's press conference, jumped in front of his mike, and started pitching printer cartridges to his audience, would he say "oh, that's ok, he has free speech rights"?
The issue here is what forum you can exercise free speech at. Anyone who wants to talk at a forum they paid for or otherwise obtained the rights to speak at, that's free speech.
If you go and steal someone else's time, money and resources, forcing them to listen to you, that is *not* free speech. That's theft and public disturbance.
Its just for using netscape for crying out loud!
Here's directions for it: double-click netscape. use netscape's common interface.
If they can't figure that out then they haven't been using a computer before anyway.
obviously an internet kiosk is going to have some simple icons and such for the windows users to do.
Anyone else think Doritos are going a bit overboard with their new flavors?
Wouldn't you think he'd try to pass some more defined amendments to the Freedom of Information Act, or some new legislation, to permit members of government to keep personal e-mail not-subject to such laws?
Rather than just giving up on technology altogether? Guess this is what we get for voting in a conservative candidate(oh wait-we didn't! how ironic) - he'd rather leave legislation alone with stupid and inane results (the nation's president can't use e-mail) than try to make some changes to shitty legislation.
If there *is* any truth to this article, there's still no good evidence that PDAs have any relevance. I think a more likely cause would be information overload. When, before the internet, could you get so much interesting and relevant information so fast? The library would be the closest thing, and that takes a lot of time looking up books, and the information within is generally years stale.
Now on the internet I have information relevant to any query available, and TONS of it. Not to mention all the news I care about available mailed to my e-mail address, or accessed from my bookmarked sites.
Maybe for the first time in history people are filling up their memory before their old enough to blame it on disease..
"which scrambles output from a computer sound card so that music streams can't be taped and copied at that point."
What? So when we listen to our digitally protected audio the sound comes out of our speakers scrambled? WTF? No.
No matter what they do I can still replace my speakers with an eigth inch line out to a tape recorder, or even straight into the line-in of my other computer for immediate re-conversion to digital. Better yet, with true digital speaker output, I bet the sound quality remains perfect. There's nothing they can do about it. They need to give up now and start changing their market to fit new technology, instead of trying to do impossible things with technology to maintain a market that should have ended 5 years ago when they started charging 20$ for a 10-song CD.
If I want to buy a song I like, I'll go to CDnow or emusic.
If I want to sample a song or band, to see if it's worth paying for an album or individual song, then I find a friend to sample the music from. I've been buying a LOT more music now that I have thousands of "friends" on Napster to sample from, as opposed to only a few friends who like music similar to mine.
Some of my favorite bands, for instance Pain and Johnny Socko, I would never have even heard of without being able to sample it for free. Napster helps small artists get their music to people outside their home town.
You know a system is stillborn when the company is talking about the next system a couple months after it's release.
If the more mail, the less the cost of stamps, wouldn't returning bulk mail give the post office *more* money? Taken straight out of the pocket of the company you're trying to get back at? It works perfectly.
The businesses might start putting some code on each return envelope to identify the address to which it was sent. Of course you could claim you threw the junk mail on a stack of paper recycling and anyone could have come along and sent it.
I doubt any law against return envelope stuffing would be enforcable.
A lot of engaging responses to my post. The general theme seemed to be "there's nothing wrong with pop" and "pop people aren't always unhappy".
I agree with both.
My point was that there are people who do things they don't like, just to fit in. Just because everyone else does. Whether it's a certain type of music, wearing skanky clothes, or doing drugs, there are people doing these things not because they want to, but because of peer pressure.
I'd like to note that there are just as many pop kids listening to Nsync and Britney Spears dissatisfied as there are metal kids and punks who are afraid of what their friends might think about them liking country or classical or even pop.
The point, however cliche, is do what you want. Listen to the music you like, wear the clothes you think look good and are comfortable. People will like you for who you are. And anyone who doesn't...well, you don't want to be friends with them anyway! A friendship based on acting fake is a fake friendship.
Best to do what makes you happy, whether that's dying your hair and listening to punk, sitting at home playing Counter-Strike, or listening to Britney Spears.
</cheese>
But, I'm not that anti-social. I have friends. The people with yellow and green hair are my friends (you have to love punk rockers), the l33t hax0rs at school, the somewhat-suicidal ones, and my fellow geeks. I am happy. Isn't that all that matters? The pop culture people look happy, but they aren't. They need music and icons to tell them who to be.
I found this comment really insightful - it summarized my own thoughts own popularity/nerdiness/loserosity better than I have ever put them. I always thought that was true, that the pop people are less happy; they're too busy trying to conform and hold their "position" that they forget to just enjoy life. While they're insulting us "geeks" to try and make themselves look better, we're just ignoring them and having fun.
All in all great responses from a seemingly random (l)user! Thanks Clinton
No one is this stupid people, really. Especially with the Christmas Eve paragraph at the bottom, it's obvious they were joking. Taking the "I'm a congressman" viewpoint to poke fun and perhaps get some funny responses from knee-jerkers who took it seriously.
Plus, perhaps to get some good commentary in response to the pathetic idea of "if you're not doing anything wrong, it doesn't matter"
Bend over for the MPAA's gloved hand, your basic rights are about to be yanked.
No one is blaming Microsoft for trying to make money.
We're blaming colleges for being too short-sighted to realize they're binding their students company-specific software.
At my school just about everyone has a copy of MSVC++6, but the courses still force us to use OS-independent tools, the Amulet GUI for instance. And since all our programs are OS independent, we're allowed to turn in programs done on a Unix machine.
Teach a man to fish, you've fed him for life. Teach a man to fish by hitting a proprietary button on an MS brand fishing pole, and you've fed Microsoft for life.
How can you say Nintendo and Sega are "crushed" compared to Sony's games? The Dreamcast is two years old, yet its graphics on NFL2K are comparable(if not better) than PS2's flagship(i.e. "only good") game, Madden. And further- the Dreamcast lets you play NFL2K *ONLINE*. Can your PS2 do that? Or can it play Shenmue? Can it even handle large outdoor worlds, or are you going to insist that PS2's repetitive and washed out textures blow Dreamcasts and Gamecube out of the water?
My biggest bone to pick is that you pointed out games. Nintendo and Sega have usually been followed because of their incredible first party games. They're the ones innovating. They have the most incredible ideas, and make the best games.
Meanwhile PSX and PS2 have nothing but unoriginal third-party games. Even the games that are decently good, are just not worth buying. Another fighting game? yeah, great. Another football game, another racing game. same old same old. Phantasy Star Online? Shenmue? holy shit I just about crapped my shorts!
another crappy football game, an even worse fighting game.
We've all seen the screenshots, we know it looks like jaggedy crap compared to the dreamcast. Which is pretty freakin pathetic considering the dreamcast is TWO YEARS OLD!!
Even if the Dreamcast did look worse, at 1/3 the price and with so many more(and better) games...
screw PS2
>>in reporting an article on DC vs PS2 that was written by a Seg-affiliated site. That's like reporting on a MS review that Linux sucks: it's pointless....
Are you expecting some psx site to release these facts? No-the only people who will are those who care. If you want to find a decent rebuttal for this go for it, but it's gonna be hard to disprove an article that's all facts.
How much is the PS2 expected to cost(at retail, not inflated price)?
And how is development going? I just remember all this jazz about developers were having troubles making use of its power, and that it's game wouldn't even look much better than Dreamcast for a couple cycles of development.
And since Dreamcast is backwards compatible with PSX through Bleem...I'm not yet seeing any reason to buy a PS2.
I hope they have some good first-party games planned...why pay 300-400$ for a gaming system worse than my PC?
Releasing any single fuel's by-products into the atmosphere is going to cause a problem. No matter what it is. But why only use one fuel? Why not have a dozen fuels, reducing the emissions of any one fuel by 11/12?
My first reason would be gas stations. Could they feasibly carry a dozen different fuels? Do different fuels have different benefits? Why not have different fuels depending on the type of car, like how some things -still- use diesel?
Also, with a dozen different fuels, there would be competition between fuels. If gas costs 1.60/gallon and rising people will just stop buying gas-powered cars, or if it gets bad enough, have their cars converted to a cheaper source. No more being screwed by gas companies..
Just like how once Napster came out suddenly no one bought any albums from the store anymore!
I hope the move to Russia for copyrighted data does occur. U.S. copyright and patent law sucks, and this could force reform. It could also force companies to offer their "data" at reasonable prices. And to actually *compete* to make their data available. I.e. be able to buy songs online for 50 cents, an album for five bucks.
Or will America just nuke Russia until it concedes the U.S. as the one true world power? After the DeCSS case, I think this one is more likely.
Taking a look at SUV drivers this is pretty obvious.
Then again, you gotta be pretty damn stupid to buy an SUV in the first place...gaz guzzling fat ass pieces of shit...