So if i wanted the ability to have domain networking in my home (and I do), AND have the media center ability built into my OS as well, I got ripped off?
Funny but i have a dell xps from 2000 that ran Xp very well, ran Server 2003 very well, and now runs Vista very well.
I have absolutely no driver issues, no issues on any of the "upgrades" (really fresh installs), and no performance problems.
Personally, in every instance where I have looked at a computer that has had an "upgrade" to Vista installed (and this is in the neighborhood of several hundred now), where someone has been complaining about "poor performance", the original computer fell into one of the following categories almost exclusively:
1. An at least 3 year old sub $400 system that was upgraded from XP Home to Vista Premium
2. A system that had been upgraded to XP from Win98 or WinMe making it at least 9 years old and also usually with low end components.
Most every instance of someone not having a "supported driver" I've run into is also either due to old hardware (even a 7 year old ATI 9800 AGP vid card works fine), or due to the hardware manufacturer just deciding "we don't want to rewrite the driver to work in a proper way"
The same can basically be said of many applications.
I find it funny that Linux people bash on an OS that is trying to work in a secure way of not allowing applications to run in Kernal space, but instead forcing them to run in user space instead.
Isn't this a desired effect of an OS?
Just because the previous version didn't force it, doesn't mean that the new version is wrong.
Previous versions of automobiles didn't have seatbelts and airbags, newer ones do. This doesn't mean newer cars are "Bloaty and full of extra crap".
as a linux and windows user, i find it funny the lengths the average/.er will go to to criticize an OS that is attempting to be more secure.
well how about i DRIVE my way down to an area that had living viable, highly evolved cultures years before any European country did......
I'll see you in Costa Rica, Honduras, and Mexico.
Where i can visit some of the largest (by volume) pyramids in the world, and see traces of a society that had a 7 day calendar before europeans stopped wiping with leaves.......
And you wonder why most "Americans" don't want to travel over the pond to be faced with self-smug and utterly un-informed people.....
Replied only to add that it is also important to have properly attached, with highly conductive attachment means, ends on these cables too.
Which is the only real difference in optical cables of course.
Better QA on the end attachment process.
(for the 5% of users who have more than a 2.1 setup)
HUH?!?!?!
Even most reasonably low end computers with on-board audio have 5.1 sound and have for years.
And most of the higher end motherboards that would be used by gamers (the ones that support SLI or Crossfire) have at least 5.1 if not 7.1 sound ONBOARD.
Let's give another example: you can't bring non-movie-house food into the theater, right? You can argue that it's stupid or unfair, but that's not really lock-in. That's just packaging services together. You can choose to eat someplace else before or after the movie, you just can't bring that food to the theater. Vendor lock-in would be if the movie theaters somehow made it so that, in order to watch a movie at that theater, you had to commit to paying to watch all movies in that theater and never watching movies elsewhere.
OH REALLY?!?!
"Well allow me to retort"
Let's use this example based upon your's....
You cannot run our OS on any other hardware, even if it's the EXACT SAME HARDWARE from another vendor.
Instead you have to pay our inflated prices for the same hardware from us as opposed to the myriad of other suppliers.
And MS doesn't care because it IS a sale of the Vista OS to the OEM.
What the customer does with it after that, they could give two shits about.
IF you want to buy a computer from Dell (or any of the OEM's) with Vista (or XP) pre-installed and wipe it to put on another OS (say like Linux...) MS could really care less.
They sold the OEM the OS. They got their money. They are happy as pig's in shit.
And honestly, the OEM could care less too.
It's actually a win for them too.
One less unit to worry about supporting.
exactly.
As a motorcyclist for nearly 20 years, and someone who has to put up with all of the misinformation and idiocy of the uninformed "cager" crowd, this is not somthing that most in this community will appreciate at all.
I'm pretty sure that were it someone doing something similar to prove the power of the latest "ninja" bike, and they had the same result, the tone taken by the media would be quite different.
The ability to build and engineer this prototype vehicle is very impressive.
The inability to act in a professional manner while displaying said vehicle to a crowd and ensure that any possible accidents could not result in damage to anything other than said vehicle is moronic at best, and criminal at worst.
Interfaces: Verdict: OpenOffice.org, not because it is well-designed, but because Microsoft Word's changes seem pointless and upset users for no good reason.
Please explain how this is, directly or indirectly, Microsoft's fault.
Is it because they don't prohibit the running of executable files period?
Or is it because they don't require a competency test to own a computer?
I'd like to know.
the parent you are replying to is for Adobe Reader. not a full version of Acrobat.
And yes, loading plugins that are very rarely used in day to day reading of pdf files when opening READER is moronic and wasteful of system resources.
I immediately remove the plugins from the standard folder to stop their being loaded at startup, and magically, Reader starts in about 1/10th the time.
Look, maybe I'm missing the point, but the original post is about using a computer, with a warranty / support plan, in a BUSINESS environment.
Personally, I do not deal with Mac's and have no desire to, although since I support a custom software project, I do occasionally run into someone using one that would like some help if possible.
If you're using a computer in a BUSINESS environment, and feel that 1 week turnaround is acceptable, I honestly think that your business model does not really need computers all that much.
I've dealt with Dell for both home and business support, and have mixed feelings about the home support, but nothing but good feelings about the business support. And my business is in a fairly small town in Iowa, where i receive either the parts to repair the product by 8am the next day or have a tech drive an hour to get here the same day if necessary.
I've also dealt with many other hardware vendors for business purposes including Cisco, 3Com, and also with providers like Sprint and Verizon.
In all instances, a 1 week turnaround time would have been laughable and cause serious harm to the business.
I would consider this type of service to be definitely subpar for business level support
This has been a suggestion by apple stockholders for years.
This suggestion has always met with enthusiastic response from shareholders when promoted.
And always been killed off quickly by corporate people.
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Now go back to elementary school geography.
You're making the rest of us look stupid.
So if i wanted the ability to have domain networking in my home (and I do), AND have the media center ability built into my OS as well, I got ripped off?
Hmmm...not seeing it.
And so do a lot of large places
Yes i have.
"What do you mean you don't use Apache as your webserver?!?!?! Doesn't everybody?!?!?! What else would you POSSIBLY USE?????"
Funny but i have a dell xps from 2000 that ran Xp very well, ran Server 2003 very well, and now runs Vista very well.
I have absolutely no driver issues, no issues on any of the "upgrades" (really fresh installs), and no performance problems.
Personally, in every instance where I have looked at a computer that has had an "upgrade" to Vista installed (and this is in the neighborhood of several hundred now), where someone has been complaining about "poor performance", the original computer fell into one of the following categories almost exclusively:
1. An at least 3 year old sub $400 system that was upgraded from XP Home to Vista Premium
2. A system that had been upgraded to XP from Win98 or WinMe making it at least 9 years old and also usually with low end components.
Most every instance of someone not having a "supported driver" I've run into is also either due to old hardware (even a 7 year old ATI 9800 AGP vid card works fine), or due to the hardware manufacturer just deciding "we don't want to rewrite the driver to work in a proper way"
The same can basically be said of many applications.
I find it funny that Linux people bash on an OS that is trying to work in a secure way of not allowing applications to run in Kernal space, but instead forcing them to run in user space instead.
Isn't this a desired effect of an OS?
Just because the previous version didn't force it, doesn't mean that the new version is wrong.
Previous versions of automobiles didn't have seatbelts and airbags, newer ones do. This doesn't mean newer cars are "Bloaty and full of extra crap".
as a linux and windows user, i find it funny the lengths the average /.er will go to to criticize an OS that is attempting to be more secure.
Laughable really.
a complete reinstall? sure step one - insert dvd step two turn on computer. step three - install os step four - ??????
I'm sure we all deal with "clueless idiots" everyday who have all kinds of "certifications"
I CANNOT be alone in this.
Oh and i bet one of those nerdy guys go to the strip club where i can get the dancer (or her mom) to snag his ident card for me....
After all, it worked for mr pitt.
well how about i DRIVE my way down to an area that had living viable, highly evolved cultures years before any European country did...... I'll see you in Costa Rica, Honduras, and Mexico. Where i can visit some of the largest (by volume) pyramids in the world, and see traces of a society that had a 7 day calendar before europeans stopped wiping with leaves....... And you wonder why most "Americans" don't want to travel over the pond to be faced with self-smug and utterly un-informed people.....
As a resident of Ames, Iowa, and not a student, I can also say, without a doubt, that ISU is also the leading supplier of bullshit since 1980. :D
Replied only to add that it is also important to have properly attached, with highly conductive attachment means, ends on these cables too. Which is the only real difference in optical cables of course. Better QA on the end attachment process.
HUH?!?!?!
Even most reasonably low end computers with on-board audio have 5.1 sound and have for years.
And most of the higher end motherboards that would be used by gamers (the ones that support SLI or Crossfire) have at least 5.1 if not 7.1 sound ONBOARD.
Sounds like someone doesn't have a clue....
OH REALLY?!?!
"Well allow me to retort"
Let's use this example based upon your's....
You cannot run our OS on any other hardware, even if it's the EXACT SAME HARDWARE from another vendor. Instead you have to pay our inflated prices for the same hardware from us as opposed to the myriad of other suppliers.
Smells EXACTLY like vendor lock-in to me......
And MS doesn't care because it IS a sale of the Vista OS to the OEM. What the customer does with it after that, they could give two shits about. IF you want to buy a computer from Dell (or any of the OEM's) with Vista (or XP) pre-installed and wipe it to put on another OS (say like Linux...) MS could really care less. They sold the OEM the OS. They got their money. They are happy as pig's in shit. And honestly, the OEM could care less too. It's actually a win for them too. One less unit to worry about supporting.
exactly. As a motorcyclist for nearly 20 years, and someone who has to put up with all of the misinformation and idiocy of the uninformed "cager" crowd, this is not somthing that most in this community will appreciate at all. I'm pretty sure that were it someone doing something similar to prove the power of the latest "ninja" bike, and they had the same result, the tone taken by the media would be quite different. The ability to build and engineer this prototype vehicle is very impressive. The inability to act in a professional manner while displaying said vehicle to a crowd and ensure that any possible accidents could not result in damage to anything other than said vehicle is moronic at best, and criminal at worst.
Only if they can also force people who can barely construct sentences to go back to school before posting on public forums as well........
Interfaces: Verdict: OpenOffice.org, not because it is well-designed, but because Microsoft Word's changes seem pointless and upset users for no good reason.
Please explain how this is, directly or indirectly, Microsoft's fault. Is it because they don't prohibit the running of executable files period? Or is it because they don't require a competency test to own a computer? I'd like to know.
the parent you are replying to is for Adobe Reader. not a full version of Acrobat. And yes, loading plugins that are very rarely used in day to day reading of pdf files when opening READER is moronic and wasteful of system resources. I immediately remove the plugins from the standard folder to stop their being loaded at startup, and magically, Reader starts in about 1/10th the time.
and the winner is........
this parent.
Look, maybe I'm missing the point, but the original post is about using a computer, with a warranty / support plan, in a BUSINESS environment. Personally, I do not deal with Mac's and have no desire to, although since I support a custom software project, I do occasionally run into someone using one that would like some help if possible. If you're using a computer in a BUSINESS environment, and feel that 1 week turnaround is acceptable, I honestly think that your business model does not really need computers all that much. I've dealt with Dell for both home and business support, and have mixed feelings about the home support, but nothing but good feelings about the business support. And my business is in a fairly small town in Iowa, where i receive either the parts to repair the product by 8am the next day or have a tech drive an hour to get here the same day if necessary. I've also dealt with many other hardware vendors for business purposes including Cisco, 3Com, and also with providers like Sprint and Verizon. In all instances, a 1 week turnaround time would have been laughable and cause serious harm to the business. I would consider this type of service to be definitely subpar for business level support
This has been a suggestion by apple stockholders for years. This suggestion has always met with enthusiastic response from shareholders when promoted. And always been killed off quickly by corporate people.