Even if it were a bomb, the price wouldn't come down. That's not how Apple works. Even as the Newton was being cut loose, Apple never lowered the price or had any kind of clearance sale. Never.
Steve Jobs is a king of marketing style. He's been able to fool a fair amount of Mac users into paying a premium for an average (but good-looking) product for years. Bill Gates is a godhead, though. He's been able to turn a sub-par product into the world standard more than once (MS-DOS, Outlook, Windows 9x)
I think that's what the original poster was commenting about. Apple fixed all these problems with the iPod and now in it's 3rd iteration it's a runaway hit, supposedly.
Now everyone can get iTunes, it doesn't use Firewire only, and it costs $250.
I believe the original poster was commenting on the astuteness of the reviewer.
Yes, it was proven vulnerable to the sophisticated "reading" attack. Microsoft is afraid that if they patch this a new rash of worms will arise, so they recomend upgrading to their most expensive versions.
I don't think Eminem would settle for anything less than the going rate. The law's fairly clear on this, so far. He's going to make out like a bandit and the ad will probably never be run again.
If they'd paid him up front, they'd pay less, and be able to continue running the ad.
if you actually think that home computer users are buying linux and installing it on their HOME COMPUTERS,
Yet another Mac zealot putting words into my mouth. Did you read the entire sentence that I wrote? Maybe in your zeal to defend, you glossed over it? Try reading it again, slowly. Use a dictionary if you have to and you'll see that there was NO MENTION of a home market in MY statement.
What I believe is inconsequential. Those who measure the market share of desktop machines cite Linux's growing use on the desktop, and predict that it will overtake Mac on the desktop soon, and will begin making significant inroads on formerly Windows-dominated places within the next 5 years. Deny it all you want.
Not only did he write it, man, he LIVES it every day! Man, he's over here, and you're over there and he's like, "Hey man, you need to be over here too, but when you get here, I'll be gone, man!"
And oddly enough, consumers are choosing Linux over MacOS. Is everyone stupid, or are there other mitigating factors that you didn't cover in your sermon?
That's Job's vision, right there -- he took one look at that Xerox Star GUI, said "This is so fucking cool, everybody should be using this"... and made it so that everyone is using it....by making Macs so overpriced that Microsoft came in and stole his lunch...
I wonder who he has in mind to take his newest grand vision to market?
Not viable? We Macintosh users are fiercely loyal. Do us right and we tell all our friends to buy your wares. We buy all sorts of gadgets. Do us right, or kind of right, and we will repay you in spades.
Look, let's be rational. If Mac users were such a powerful force in the computer markets, then MacOS wouldn't be in any danger of being overtaken by Linux on the desktop. We'd all have them and this question of support from PalmSource wouldn't even be an issue.
The fact is: Mac Users either don't have the clout you think they have, or there aren't enough of them to make that clout heard. Either way, I stand by my primary assertion: The Mac Users are not a viable market for PalmOS.
PS I'll concede that Sony whupped MS in the console market. I stand corrected.
Sony and Palm are the only two companies in recent memory to beat MS in direct competition.
In an app we developed for Win and X, the X version took less than a third, that's right 1/3, of the time the Win version did.
Well, there you have it folks. A perfect example of Slashdot science. I can't argue with this.
So please, enough of the urban legend that MS has great developer tools.
Apple may have had a bad history in the past for supporting developers. That cannot be said today.
Gosh, you Mac Zealots are so touchy. Nobody said anything dissing Apples developer relations. Well calm down, no one intended to attack your precious Apple. This was a rebuttal to an insinuation that Windows development took too much of PalmSources development time and that was why they chose to drop MacOS from their supported OS list.
I suppose calm rational discussion is a bit much to ask from the Mac Zealots. Ce la vie.
I'd love to see better Mac OS support, but I doubt there is much money in it for Palm.
But there may be a viable market for third party developers, not unlike the Clie on the current MacOS systems. From what other people are saying, there might be a decent market for developers to crank out syncronization apps that work with Palm OS and iApps.
I sometimes think MS purposefully makes Win32 a PITA because they know developers have to support it,
For all of its faults, the one thing that MS has done correctly, is come out with easy to use development tools for its OS. Supporting Windows is a breeze, from a developers point of view. The MFC, DirectX, Visual Studio all are top class tools for development. The code isn't optimal, but it's easy to put together.
I really don't think that this is a realistic reason for PalmSource to drop support for Mac.
I know that a lot of Mac users out there see this as some kind of conspiracy, but the truth of the matter is: if Mac Users were a viable market for Palm OS products, Palm OS would enjoy continued support on that platform. PalmOne, and PalmSource, are not run by fools. They're the only company in recent memory to beat Microsoft in direct competition. This decision can not have come as arbitrarily as a lot of the people on this forum speculate. Either there are some serious architecture issues with OS X that drive the cost of developing a software package that is comparable to the one available on Windows to an unprofitable level, or the market for OS X users is just so small, that it doesn't make it worth their while to pursue that segment. Considering that software for the Mac has been released for previous versions of Palm OS, I'd tend to believe that the prior is the actual reason.
I suppose there is a third option, and that is that Palm is aware of some new product that Apple is preparing and doesn't wish to commit resources to the development of a software package that may be trumped by some new Apple product. This doesn't make that much sense, in that Palm was able to wipe the floors with Wince, developed in house by MS. In that situation Palm couldn't give up on such a huge market segment and remain in business. With Apple, they could certainly give up on such a small segment without much concern. Apple has done so much with its branding that there is a risk that even if Palm could create a better product for the Apple market, it might not matter in the minds of Apple users.
This is terrible assumption, and one that many Slashdot readers seem to accept with open arms. The fact is, there is NO evidence in either the Tivo terms of service or the data released that there has been ANY loss of privacy here.
The data they've released hasn't violated anyone's privacy AFAIK. The terms of service state that data may be collected ANONYMOUSLY. In America, we have this (consititutionally guaranteed) tradition of being assumed INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. So far, no one has made a convincing argument that ANY non-anonymous data has been collected. Apparently Slashdot is following the Napoleanic tradition (guilty until proven innocent).
Yeah, I definately think that people at Yahoo should really rethink it's IPO if they're going to drop the only thing that makes it relevant. If they expect to float along with their cheesy messaging and other crapware they're in for big trouble.
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Even if it were a bomb, the price wouldn't come down. That's not how Apple works. Even as the Newton was being cut loose, Apple never lowered the price or had any kind of clearance sale. Never.
Steve Jobs is a king of marketing style. He's been able to fool a fair amount of Mac users into paying a premium for an average (but good-looking) product for years. Bill Gates is a godhead, though. He's been able to turn a sub-par product into the world standard more than once (MS-DOS, Outlook, Windows 9x)
Wasn't the original iPod FireWire (and Mac) only?
I think that's what the original poster was commenting about. Apple fixed all these problems with the iPod and now in it's 3rd iteration it's a runaway hit, supposedly.
Now everyone can get iTunes, it doesn't use Firewire only, and it costs $250.
I believe the original poster was commenting on the astuteness of the reviewer.
Of course they can hear you jingle-jangling a mile away...
Double-ROT-13 was found to be insecure.
Yes, it was proven vulnerable to the sophisticated "reading" attack. Microsoft is afraid that if they patch this a new rash of worms will arise, so they recomend upgrading to their most expensive versions.
Japan has some of the must unfair practices when it comes to dealing with the American market,
I'd suggest you elaborate. A statement this vague and this broad sounds like Flamebait.
I don't think Eminem would settle for anything less than the going rate. The law's fairly clear on this, so far. He's going to make out like a bandit and the ad will probably never be run again.
If they'd paid him up front, they'd pay less, and be able to continue running the ad.
if you actually think that home computer users are buying linux and installing it on their HOME COMPUTERS,
Yet another Mac zealot putting words into my mouth. Did you read the entire sentence that I wrote? Maybe in your zeal to defend, you glossed over it? Try reading it again, slowly. Use a dictionary if you have to and you'll see that there was NO MENTION of a home market in MY statement.
What I believe is inconsequential. Those who measure the market share of desktop machines cite Linux's growing use on the desktop, and predict that it will overtake Mac on the desktop soon, and will begin making significant inroads on formerly Windows-dominated places within the next 5 years. Deny it all you want.
advocating Odwalla's excellent fruit juices instead.
Sugar water is sugar water is sugar water.
Not only did he write it, man, he LIVES it every day! Man, he's over here, and you're over there and he's like, "Hey man, you need to be over here too, but when you get here, I'll be gone, man!"
I... I love Steve Jobs, man.
And oddly enough, consumers are choosing Linux over MacOS. Is everyone stupid, or are there other mitigating factors that you didn't cover in your sermon?
That's Job's vision, right there -- he took one look at that Xerox Star GUI, said "This is so fucking cool, everybody should be using this" ... and made it so that everyone is using it. ...by making Macs so overpriced that Microsoft came in and stole his lunch...
I wonder who he has in mind to take his newest grand vision to market?
The vision can be grand even if the results are not, no?
You keep telling yourself that as Linux overtakes MacOS on the desktop.
Not viable? We Macintosh users are fiercely loyal. Do us right and we tell all our friends to buy your wares. We buy all sorts of gadgets. Do us right, or kind of right, and we will repay you in spades.
Look, let's be rational. If Mac users were such a powerful force in the computer markets, then MacOS wouldn't be in any danger of being overtaken by Linux on the desktop. We'd all have them and this question of support from PalmSource wouldn't even be an issue.
The fact is: Mac Users either don't have the clout you think they have, or there aren't enough of them to make that clout heard. Either way, I stand by my primary assertion: The Mac Users are not a viable market for PalmOS.
PS I'll concede that Sony whupped MS in the console market. I stand corrected.
Sony and Palm are the only two companies in recent memory to beat MS in direct competition.
In an app we developed for Win and X, the X version took less than a third, that's right 1/3, of the time the Win version did.
Well, there you have it folks. A perfect example of Slashdot science. I can't argue with this.
So please, enough of the urban legend that MS has great developer tools.
Apple may have had a bad history in the past for supporting developers. That cannot be said today.
Gosh, you Mac Zealots are so touchy. Nobody said anything dissing Apples developer relations. Well calm down, no one intended to attack your precious Apple. This was a rebuttal to an insinuation that Windows development took too much of PalmSources development time and that was why they chose to drop MacOS from their supported OS list.
I suppose calm rational discussion is a bit much to ask from the Mac Zealots. Ce la vie.
I'd love to see better Mac OS support, but I doubt there is much money in it for Palm.
But there may be a viable market for third party developers, not unlike the Clie on the current MacOS systems. From what other people are saying, there might be a decent market for developers to crank out syncronization apps that work with Palm OS and iApps.
I sometimes think MS purposefully makes Win32 a PITA because they know developers have to support it,
For all of its faults, the one thing that MS has done correctly, is come out with easy to use development tools for its OS. Supporting Windows is a breeze, from a developers point of view. The MFC, DirectX, Visual Studio all are top class tools for development. The code isn't optimal, but it's easy to put together.
I really don't think that this is a realistic reason for PalmSource to drop support for Mac.
Actually, I have a palm branded hand held because the Clie's don't work with Macs.
Actually, there is a suite of third-party software called "The Missing Sync" that allows you to synchronize a Clie to your Mac.
I know that a lot of Mac users out there see this as some kind of conspiracy, but the truth of the matter is: if Mac Users were a viable market for Palm OS products, Palm OS would enjoy continued support on that platform. PalmOne, and PalmSource, are not run by fools. They're the only company in recent memory to beat Microsoft in direct competition. This decision can not have come as arbitrarily as a lot of the people on this forum speculate. Either there are some serious architecture issues with OS X that drive the cost of developing a software package that is comparable to the one available on Windows to an unprofitable level, or the market for OS X users is just so small, that it doesn't make it worth their while to pursue that segment. Considering that software for the Mac has been released for previous versions of Palm OS, I'd tend to believe that the prior is the actual reason.
I suppose there is a third option, and that is that Palm is aware of some new product that Apple is preparing and doesn't wish to commit resources to the development of a software package that may be trumped by some new Apple product. This doesn't make that much sense, in that Palm was able to wipe the floors with Wince, developed in house by MS. In that situation Palm couldn't give up on such a huge market segment and remain in business. With Apple, they could certainly give up on such a small segment without much concern. Apple has done so much with its branding that there is a risk that even if Palm could create a better product for the Apple market, it might not matter in the minds of Apple users.
Loss of Privacy:
This is terrible assumption, and one that many Slashdot readers seem to accept with open arms. The fact is, there is NO evidence in either the Tivo terms of service or the data released that there has been ANY loss of privacy here.
The data they've released hasn't violated anyone's privacy AFAIK. The terms of service state that data may be collected ANONYMOUSLY. In America, we have this (consititutionally guaranteed) tradition of being assumed INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. So far, no one has made a convincing argument that ANY non-anonymous data has been collected. Apparently Slashdot is following the Napoleanic tradition (guilty until proven innocent).
Content blocked with Adblock is still downloaded, it's just kept from view.
Not if you set it in Tools>Adblock>Preferences to "Remove Ads" instead of "Hide Ads".
Blocking http://*.unicast.com/* and http://*.enliven.com/* seems to take care of this new annoyance quite handily.
Yeah, I definately think that people at Yahoo should really rethink it's IPO if they're going to drop the only thing that makes it relevant. If they expect to float along with their cheesy messaging and other crapware they're in for big trouble.
I find it kind of hard to imagine playing the Playstation on a computer display.
I play my PS2 through an ATI All-In-Wonder card. It's fine.
P.S. Now sit back and watch all of the Apple apologists tack on their explanations of how the Lisa was worth the $8k...