I can imagine wanting more! I want one of these! Although my implementation would be a cylindrical, not spherical, screen, giving me a 120 x 90 display area that spans my desk.:) I just need to find a high-enough-resolution data projector...
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You jest, sir, but a short-cut that's doesn't appear on a map really IS 'hyperspace' to a system that only understands movement along roads on the map.
The confusion here (as usual) lies in conflicting assumptions, along with fuzzy language - at least one ancestor post uses the words "straight line" in a context that suggests they actually mean "along a road".
You're assuming they simply divide the straight line distance between the two cameras by the time in order to calculate speed, which gives an absolute minimum speed that you must have been travelling, and is useless except on short stretches of almost-straight motorway, but at the same time is the most bulletproof approach in terms of false positives.
The others in this thread (myself included) are assuming that the system is 'smart' in the sense that it calculates routes between the two cameras along the map, picks the quickest one based on distance and speed limits, and then calculates the minimum speed required along that route in order to make the observed trip. This system gives a much more accurate estimated speed than yours, at the expense of overestimating in the event of a short-cut not listed on the map.
Oh snap, good point. I will defend my people against the machines with my life, right up to the point where they threaten to cut off my World of Warcraft connection...:S I'm sure that in 2534 when the war is over, the turning point will be identified as the point when a computer first read Hober Mallow's strategy in the Third Seldon Crisis.
Ah. Here in Australia we have something by the same name, but you don't 'argue your case', you just stand in front of a judge while the cops make shit up. If you actually protest and say "well actually that bit of the police testimony was a barefaced lie" the judge says "oh well never mind" and continues to sentence you based on it. Maybe if I'd been some corporate fat cat instead of a student at the time, and I'd had a lawyer worth a damn, it would have been different.
Again with the snarky tone, you should get that adjusted. There are plenty of easy ways to go 'offroad' according to satnav without getting mud on your car. You could take a shortcut through a car park, take a back alley, or simply a side road that's not yet on the digital map, and suddenly you're reported to be doing 130mph through a school zone because that's the shortest route that the software knows about.
Don't even try to argue, sir, the computer says you were speeding and that means you were.
Actually, there's apparently quite a market for stolen license plates here in Australia. I know a couple of people who've either had plates stolen or had attempts at the same. They're used in robberies too.
1. Steal car. Car gets reported stolen pretty quickly.
2. Steal plates just before you plan to use the stolen car.
3. Use stolen car in robbery. It won't scan as stolen until theft of plates is reported.
4. Profit, I presume.
They can cut off the hot showers with only a thought, but I can't shut off my solar, wind, and geothermal powered home without shutting off the universe. Man no longer rules.
Actually, you can shut off your house's solar and wind power with a tarp and some duct tape. Geothermal is harder and might require manually turning off a maintenance valve.
I still maintain that the Corrupted Blood plague was the single most awesome thing ever to happen in WoW, closely followed by the scourge invasion before WotLK, which Blizzard has said was based on the previous plague, but more controlled so as to interfere less with the gameplay of people who chose not to participate.
I hope they do something equally awesome for the launch of Cataclysm.:)
No, it doesn't make it "better". What it does make it is "motivated by politics rather than ideology". As in, "not actually about Catholicism". You can't say the same thing about the Islamic goal (mandated by the Koran) of imposing an Islamic religious government on as many countries as possible.
The problem is that these 'hilariously pathetic whackos' are actually whacko enough to kill people. And when that happens, it's not "some insane asshole killed Trey Stone and Matt Parker". It's "Muslim Extremist Kills People Because They Drew A Picture Of His Invisible Sky Friend." If I were a Muslim, even a moderate one, I *would* be pissed at these nutjobs.
A geek equivalent would be those retarded nutjob gamers who sent death threats to Michael Atkinson (the South Australian Attorney-General and vocal opponent of introducing an R18+ category for "games that kids shouldn't play but are fine for adults"). Great way to give ammunition to the "games make people violent" crowd.
I consider Portal to be art because it introduced a new and interesting gameplay mechanic, the environment was fairly atmospheric and the story, while short, was engaging. In a different way, the design of the original Quake software rendering engine was work of art for its technical innovation.
You ask "is there a game that I think isn't art?" I would counter that by asking you whether there's a painting that's not art, and what that painting lacks that, say, a Jason Pollack piece does not.
I think ultimately, we all define art as "something that invokes a feeling."
I guess so. That reminds me, actually, of a beta-tester 'war story' that I read about Far Cry, where the guy shot a couple of oil drums (setting them on fire) then went off to do something else. About half an hour later he had a big message pop up telling him he'd won the game. It turns out that the burning oil drums had set fire to some grassland, which in turn caused a forest fire that just happened to incinerate the end boss. I don't know if it's true, but it's a brilliant demonstration of how simulation-based games can have unexpected outcomes which might not be particularly beneficial from the designers' point of view.
"OBC also features a near fully destructible environment; the Flame Thrower can set bad guys, scenery and the level itself on fire, which could make movement extremely hazardous for the player, especially as the fire randomly spreads."
Fire doesn't randomly spread. It spreads fairly predictably, in fact.
Also, wouldn't a crate that you can blow a hole through make for a pretty useless piece of cover? Given that your adversaries can blow holes right back...
"Anyone at a reasonable level of reading comprehension" reading your list of attributes that you claim Portal lacks would, as I did, interpret it as your reasoning for why Portal is not art. The argument you seem to be making now is that art cannot be rigorously defined and instead, is something that you just "know when you see". Am I closer to the mark now?
Art is subjective, down to its very definition. I can no more convince you that Portal is art than you can convince me that some hideous postmodern arrangement of random colours is art. So you're right, and I'm right, when we're talking about our own definitions... and neither of us are when talking about each others'.
This is only about 'carpet cloaks', not invisibility cloaks in general. The problem is that a carpet cloak is the optical analogue of simply putting a display screen in front of the object and a video camera behind the object. In other words, of course it doesn't bloody work from the side, you morons. A general invisibility cloak is still possible, but may require phased array optics or other exotic active techniques.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he's officially passed into hinging his entire worldview in relation to videogames as art on a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Actually, I think he's contending that whether or not a particular piece of work is 'art' or not is purely subjective. From TFS:
But when I say McCarthy is 'better' than Sparks and that his novels are artworks, that is a subjective judgment, made on the basis of my taste
So a work is art in the eyes of a specific observer, if and only if they themselves define it as such.
Interesting. So your own personal definition of art is "Evokes an emotion, has a deeper meaning, teaches a lesson. Provides either insight or reflection. Is more abstractly beautiful or otherwise aesthetically pleasing than is average for a technically competent piece of work." However, most of what is unarguably considered "art" would fail one or more of those conditions. Many pieces of art have no deeper meaning, or lesson, other than that constructed by the viewer out of hand-waving and pretentiousness. Many pieces provide no insight or reflection. Many are neither abstractly beautiful or indeed aesthetically pleasing in any way. And lack of technical competence has no impact on whether a piece of work is considered art or not, only on its quality.
Enough of your disingenuous "I'll be buying" BS and let's have more of that "I've already bough this other thing instead and, having used it, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy and hopeful for the future because...".
I bought a Nokia 5800 instead of an iPhone because it was less restrictive and hence provided more utility. I was shocked when I asked a friend to send me a photo from his phone via Bluetooth and was told "sorry, my phone won't let me." I feel warm and fuzzy every time I do something with my phone that an iPhone could do but refuses to do because of some artificially imposed restriction.
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YES! :D
I can imagine wanting more! I want one of these! Although my implementation would be a cylindrical, not spherical, screen, giving me a 120 x 90 display area that spans my desk. :) I just need to find a high-enough-resolution data projector...
- fractoid-with-mod-points
You jest, sir, but a short-cut that's doesn't appear on a map really IS 'hyperspace' to a system that only understands movement along roads on the map.
:)
The confusion here (as usual) lies in conflicting assumptions, along with fuzzy language - at least one ancestor post uses the words "straight line" in a context that suggests they actually mean "along a road".
You're assuming they simply divide the straight line distance between the two cameras by the time in order to calculate speed, which gives an absolute minimum speed that you must have been travelling, and is useless except on short stretches of almost-straight motorway, but at the same time is the most bulletproof approach in terms of false positives.
The others in this thread (myself included) are assuming that the system is 'smart' in the sense that it calculates routes between the two cameras along the map, picks the quickest one based on distance and speed limits, and then calculates the minimum speed required along that route in order to make the observed trip. This system gives a much more accurate estimated speed than yours, at the expense of overestimating in the event of a short-cut not listed on the map.
Hope this helps.
Oh snap, good point. I will defend my people against the machines with my life, right up to the point where they threaten to cut off my World of Warcraft connection... :S I'm sure that in 2534 when the war is over, the turning point will be identified as the point when a computer first read Hober Mallow's strategy in the Third Seldon Crisis.
Ah. Here in Australia we have something by the same name, but you don't 'argue your case', you just stand in front of a judge while the cops make shit up. If you actually protest and say "well actually that bit of the police testimony was a barefaced lie" the judge says "oh well never mind" and continues to sentence you based on it. Maybe if I'd been some corporate fat cat instead of a student at the time, and I'd had a lawyer worth a damn, it would have been different.
Shoe shops, man. Shoe shops.
Wouldn't an infestation of yew be more easily cured by an excess of bowyers?
Again with the snarky tone, you should get that adjusted. There are plenty of easy ways to go 'offroad' according to satnav without getting mud on your car. You could take a shortcut through a car park, take a back alley, or simply a side road that's not yet on the digital map, and suddenly you're reported to be doing 130mph through a school zone because that's the shortest route that the software knows about.
Don't even try to argue, sir, the computer says you were speeding and that means you were.
Unless they have speed cameras on every single road...
This IS Britain that we're talking about.
Actually, there's apparently quite a market for stolen license plates here in Australia. I know a couple of people who've either had plates stolen or had attempts at the same. They're used in robberies too.
1. Steal car. Car gets reported stolen pretty quickly.
2. Steal plates just before you plan to use the stolen car.
3. Use stolen car in robbery. It won't scan as stolen until theft of plates is reported.
4. Profit, I presume.
They can cut off the hot showers with only a thought, but I can't shut off my solar, wind, and geothermal powered home without shutting off the universe. Man no longer rules.
Actually, you can shut off your house's solar and wind power with a tarp and some duct tape. Geothermal is harder and might require manually turning off a maintenance valve.
I still maintain that the Corrupted Blood plague was the single most awesome thing ever to happen in WoW, closely followed by the scourge invasion before WotLK, which Blizzard has said was based on the previous plague, but more controlled so as to interfere less with the gameplay of people who chose not to participate.
:)
I hope they do something equally awesome for the launch of Cataclysm.
No, it doesn't make it "better". What it does make it is "motivated by politics rather than ideology". As in, "not actually about Catholicism". You can't say the same thing about the Islamic goal (mandated by the Koran) of imposing an Islamic religious government on as many countries as possible.
The problem is that these 'hilariously pathetic whackos' are actually whacko enough to kill people. And when that happens, it's not "some insane asshole killed Trey Stone and Matt Parker". It's "Muslim Extremist Kills People Because They Drew A Picture Of His Invisible Sky Friend." If I were a Muslim, even a moderate one, I *would* be pissed at these nutjobs.
A geek equivalent would be those retarded nutjob gamers who sent death threats to Michael Atkinson (the South Australian Attorney-General and vocal opponent of introducing an R18+ category for "games that kids shouldn't play but are fine for adults"). Great way to give ammunition to the "games make people violent" crowd.
I consider Portal to be art because it introduced a new and interesting gameplay mechanic, the environment was fairly atmospheric and the story, while short, was engaging. In a different way, the design of the original Quake software rendering engine was work of art for its technical innovation.
You ask "is there a game that I think isn't art?" I would counter that by asking you whether there's a painting that's not art, and what that painting lacks that, say, a Jason Pollack piece does not.
I think ultimately, we all define art as "something that invokes a feeling."
I guess so. That reminds me, actually, of a beta-tester 'war story' that I read about Far Cry, where the guy shot a couple of oil drums (setting them on fire) then went off to do something else. About half an hour later he had a big message pop up telling him he'd won the game. It turns out that the burning oil drums had set fire to some grassland, which in turn caused a forest fire that just happened to incinerate the end boss. I don't know if it's true, but it's a brilliant demonstration of how simulation-based games can have unexpected outcomes which might not be particularly beneficial from the designers' point of view.
"OBC also features a near fully destructible environment; the Flame Thrower can set bad guys, scenery and the level itself on fire, which could make movement extremely hazardous for the player, especially as the fire randomly spreads."
Fire doesn't randomly spread. It spreads fairly predictably, in fact.
Also, wouldn't a crate that you can blow a hole through make for a pretty useless piece of cover? Given that your adversaries can blow holes right back...
"Anyone at a reasonable level of reading comprehension" reading your list of attributes that you claim Portal lacks would, as I did, interpret it as your reasoning for why Portal is not art. The argument you seem to be making now is that art cannot be rigorously defined and instead, is something that you just "know when you see". Am I closer to the mark now?
Art is subjective, down to its very definition. I can no more convince you that Portal is art than you can convince me that some hideous postmodern arrangement of random colours is art. So you're right, and I'm right, when we're talking about our own definitions... and neither of us are when talking about each others'.
I can't see how they could work.
This is only about 'carpet cloaks', not invisibility cloaks in general. The problem is that a carpet cloak is the optical analogue of simply putting a display screen in front of the object and a video camera behind the object. In other words, of course it doesn't bloody work from the side, you morons. A general invisibility cloak is still possible, but may require phased array optics or other exotic active techniques.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he's officially passed into hinging his entire worldview in relation to videogames as art on a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Actually, I think he's contending that whether or not a particular piece of work is 'art' or not is purely subjective. From TFS:
But when I say McCarthy is 'better' than Sparks and that his novels are artworks, that is a subjective judgment, made on the basis of my taste
So a work is art in the eyes of a specific observer, if and only if they themselves define it as such.
Interesting. So your own personal definition of art is "Evokes an emotion, has a deeper meaning, teaches a lesson. Provides either insight or reflection. Is more abstractly beautiful or otherwise aesthetically pleasing than is average for a technically competent piece of work." However, most of what is unarguably considered "art" would fail one or more of those conditions. Many pieces of art have no deeper meaning, or lesson, other than that constructed by the viewer out of hand-waving and pretentiousness. Many pieces provide no insight or reflection. Many are neither abstractly beautiful or indeed aesthetically pleasing in any way. And lack of technical competence has no impact on whether a piece of work is considered art or not, only on its quality.
You may not be able to win at Nintendogs, but if you're playing it at all you've already lost.
Damn you, I just lost the game.
If untreated, any animal waste should be considered a biological hazard.
Enough of your disingenuous "I'll be buying" BS and let's have more of that "I've already bough this other thing instead and, having used it, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy and hopeful for the future because ...".
I bought a Nokia 5800 instead of an iPhone because it was less restrictive and hence provided more utility. I was shocked when I asked a friend to send me a photo from his phone via Bluetooth and was told "sorry, my phone won't let me." I feel warm and fuzzy every time I do something with my phone that an iPhone could do but refuses to do because of some artificially imposed restriction.
Why we insist on feeding 75% of our grain production to ruminants baffles me.
...because they're tasty? Even *I* know that and I'm a vegetarian.