Sorry guys but if you're going to fully integrate Flash into your browser you have to take ownership for any problems that arise as a result. You're integrating it, you're shipping it, it's up to you to QA the entirety of your release.
On another note, Chrome integration of Flash is the #1 reason I stick with Firefox.
It is pretty satisfying to hear the justices methodically drawing an argument out in full and then tear it to shreds.
I like doing this in fora but sadly it's hard to find venues for structured intelligent debate on the internet these days.
don't think it will be nearly as one-sided as you're thinking because established law has such strong protections of IP.
Sadly I'm sure you're right. Even the third party equipment and jurisdiction issues can be picked apart though. Like in the example I gave of a NAS, it seems they'd have to define exactly where the problem occurs - is it media being streamed over a network? A public network? Through equipment owned by others? Across geographic borders? Is it ok to put my NAS at a neighbour's place on their network if connected by an ethernet cable? What if the neighbour lived in a different province? Country? These things are going to have to be nailed down but I'm sure RIAA etc do not want to do so because it will necessarily open holes.
On another note, it's funny that people still buy products from industries that work so hard to screw over their customers. Big Media and ISPs have to be the worst for this. Net access I can understand - you gotta have net. But music? I dream of a day when this will come to a head and everyone will stop supporting mainstream media altogether, where people seek out and share independent artists' works freely and choose to monetarily support those they enjoy. I truly believe this is the endgame for music at least.
Going further, what if I have a NAS with a deduping system, connected to my network via ethernet. Is it ok to store and play music on it? What if I now move it to a colocation facility and access it via the internet? How about if they then plug my NAS into their SAN and its contents become virtualized? Then how about if I sell them the NAS itself but retain control of the contents?
At what point, exactly, does it become unacceptable?
BMI now also contends that cloud playback is public performance, even if sent to only one user!
The inevitable legal battles are going to be hilarious when defense lawyers start forcing RIAA et al to pick apart the exact technical differences between local and remote playback. In the end all playback is streaming, whether it's from a local hard drive or a remote locker.
So it's ok to stream from a local hard drive but not a remote one? Why? Is it a protocol issue? What protocols are ok? If streaming over SATA is ok, would it be ok if Amazon strung a SATA cable from their hard drive to my house? What about SATA over USB? What if I encapsulate SATA in TCP/IP, is that ok? If yes then why not HTTP? RTSP? Custom protocol? They're going to have to nail down exactly what is and isn't acceptable and the answer will be ridiculous.
For deduping, they don't seem to like bypassing hashing, Dropbox style. What about other hashing methods? What if the user uploads the data and it's deduped by the server? If that's no good, what about filesystem-level deduping? Filesystems can easily make it seem like blocks are duplicated when in fact they are not. Is it illegal to store an MP3 on such filesystems?
Were FireFox's villages raped and pillaged by ship-borne whites from the East then its people relegated to the outskirts of society where they lie, marginalized, in wait for the capitalistic anarchy that, any day now, will avenge them?
I would assume the key would be saved in NVRAM of some sort. It's likely that forensics experts could access it, but only by accessing the flash chip directly. Maybe this is the skeleton key.
Sure, but is the US any better really? In China they can't vote, all communications are monitored and censored, they're inundated with government propaganda, and everyone goes along with it. In the US your vote changes nothing, all communications are monitored, you're inundated with Western ideas via the media, and everyone goes along with it.
The only difference is the US has figured out a way to do the same thing while convincing people that they are free and actually choosing their own destinies. On a day-to-day level there's some semblance of that, but macroscopically freedom is an illusion either way.
See my post below: We're talking about OS's here, not hardware. Regardless of where the money is made, Ferraris are the better built cars, just as OSX is the better built OS - from the ground up.
There are exploits, but none that can be applied remotely to a default OSX install sitting on the internet. If you believe this to be incorrect, please point out which exploit you mean.
It didn't just change Apple's world, it changed the whole world. We were on our way to a one-OS world (from a consumer desktop point of view) when OSX stepped up and brought UNIX to the masses. Linux wasn't going to do it (and still hasn't, numbers-wise) so personally I'm glad Apple gave the world a choice, not to mention a place where remote exploits simply don't exist.
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The second is extensions that are unique to Firefox.
Sorry guys but if you're going to fully integrate Flash into your browser you have to take ownership for any problems that arise as a result. You're integrating it, you're shipping it, it's up to you to QA the entirety of your release.
On another note, Chrome integration of Flash is the #1 reason I stick with Firefox.
It is pretty satisfying to hear the justices methodically drawing an argument out in full and then tear it to shreds.
I like doing this in fora but sadly it's hard to find venues for structured intelligent debate on the internet these days.
don't think it will be nearly as one-sided as you're thinking because established law has such strong protections of IP.
Sadly I'm sure you're right. Even the third party equipment and jurisdiction issues can be picked apart though. Like in the example I gave of a NAS, it seems they'd have to define exactly where the problem occurs - is it media being streamed over a network? A public network? Through equipment owned by others? Across geographic borders? Is it ok to put my NAS at a neighbour's place on their network if connected by an ethernet cable? What if the neighbour lived in a different province? Country? These things are going to have to be nailed down but I'm sure RIAA etc do not want to do so because it will necessarily open holes.
On another note, it's funny that people still buy products from industries that work so hard to screw over their customers. Big Media and ISPs have to be the worst for this. Net access I can understand - you gotta have net. But music? I dream of a day when this will come to a head and everyone will stop supporting mainstream media altogether, where people seek out and share independent artists' works freely and choose to monetarily support those they enjoy. I truly believe this is the endgame for music at least.
Going further, what if I have a NAS with a deduping system, connected to my network via ethernet. Is it ok to store and play music on it? What if I now move it to a colocation facility and access it via the internet? How about if they then plug my NAS into their SAN and its contents become virtualized? Then how about if I sell them the NAS itself but retain control of the contents?
At what point, exactly, does it become unacceptable?
BMI now also contends that cloud playback is public performance, even if sent to only one user!
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110506/18425714192/bmi-says-single-person-listening-to-his-own-music-via-cloud-is-public-performance.shtml
At what point along the scenario I outlined did it become public?
I can't wait to hear the answers to these questions!
The inevitable legal battles are going to be hilarious when defense lawyers start forcing RIAA et al to pick apart the exact technical differences between local and remote playback. In the end all playback is streaming, whether it's from a local hard drive or a remote locker.
So it's ok to stream from a local hard drive but not a remote one? Why? Is it a protocol issue? What protocols are ok? If streaming over SATA is ok, would it be ok if Amazon strung a SATA cable from their hard drive to my house? What about SATA over USB? What if I encapsulate SATA in TCP/IP, is that ok? If yes then why not HTTP? RTSP? Custom protocol? They're going to have to nail down exactly what is and isn't acceptable and the answer will be ridiculous.
For deduping, they don't seem to like bypassing hashing, Dropbox style. What about other hashing methods? What if the user uploads the data and it's deduped by the server? If that's no good, what about filesystem-level deduping? Filesystems can easily make it seem like blocks are duplicated when in fact they are not. Is it illegal to store an MP3 on such filesystems?
Fun times ahead folks :D
It doesn't matter if Apple accepts it, there's been a great firewall available via Cydia for quite some time now.
who do you think is going to end up getting sued?
My grandmother?
Oh, right.
Powering jets with chickens... I don't want to alert the irony police or anything but that's gotta be ironical!
pff that'll happen... WHEN PIGS FLY!
I'd rather not have the publicity to be honest.
Looks like that's working out well...
Were FireFox's villages raped and pillaged by ship-borne whites from the East then its people relegated to the outskirts of society where they lie, marginalized, in wait for the capitalistic anarchy that, any day now, will avenge them?
No? Sorry Mozilla.
I would assume the key would be saved in NVRAM of some sort. It's likely that forensics experts could access it, but only by accessing the flash chip directly. Maybe this is the skeleton key.
Sure, but is the US any better really? In China they can't vote, all communications are monitored and censored, they're inundated with government propaganda, and everyone goes along with it. In the US your vote changes nothing, all communications are monitored, you're inundated with Western ideas via the media, and everyone goes along with it.
The only difference is the US has figured out a way to do the same thing while convincing people that they are free and actually choosing their own destinies. On a day-to-day level there's some semblance of that, but macroscopically freedom is an illusion either way.
...when cable channels are in a panic.
The more I read about your government's decisions and proposals the happier I am that I don't live there.
lol +10 Funny ;)
See my post below: We're talking about OS's here, not hardware. Regardless of where the money is made, Ferraris are the better built cars, just as OSX is the better built OS - from the ground up.
We're talking about OS's here, not hardware. OSX is simply the better architecture.
PS mods: might want to rethink that +Insightful ;)
Sibling gets it. pwn2own used a combination of a Safai exploit and social engineering, not a remote exploit.
Since applications written for Intel Windows are not compatible with Alpha Windows do you believe those machines should be counted separately, too?
There are exploits, but none that can be applied remotely to a default OSX install sitting on the internet. If you believe this to be incorrect, please point out which exploit you mean.
EFI != OSX
At least they dumped their bloody awful shit, that's more than MS can say.
It didn't just change Apple's world, it changed the whole world. We were on our way to a one-OS world (from a consumer desktop point of view) when OSX stepped up and brought UNIX to the masses. Linux wasn't going to do it (and still hasn't, numbers-wise) so personally I'm glad Apple gave the world a choice, not to mention a place where remote exploits simply don't exist.
Thanks Apple :)
So Windows NT for Alpha doesn't count as Windows either?