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How Mac OS X, 10 Today, Changed Apple's World

CWmike writes "Ten years ago today, Apple's first full public version of Mac OS X went on sale worldwide to a gleeful reception as thousands of Mac users attended special events at their local computer shops all across the planet. What we didn't know then was that Apple was preparing to open up its own chain of retail outlets, nor had we heard Steve Jobs use the phrase, 'iPod.' Windows was still a competitor, and Google was still a search engine. These were halcyon days, when being a Mac user meant belonging to the second team, writes Jonny Evans. We're looking at the eighth significant OS X release in the next few months, Lion, which should offer some elements of unification between the iOS and OS X. There's still some bugs to iron out though, particularly the problem with ACL's (Access Control Lists) inside the Finder. Hopefully departing ex-NeXT Mac OS chief, Bertrand Serlet, will be able to fix this before he leaves."

342 comments

  1. Windows "was" a competitor? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interesting use of the past tense there, considering Windows usage still dwarfs Mac OS usage.

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    1. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Old97 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. Ten years ago the Mac OS was a dying niche. Now it's a thriving niche.

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    2. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by inKubus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep, another Apple, Inc. (no "Computer" in the name any more, they removed that) knob schlob on the front page. Gee, isn't Apple great. Hasn't 10 years been great for Apple? Boy, they sure are the dominant operating system NOW (no. they're still not.) Got news for you poster, having Apple still makes you part of the "Second Team" of journalists. Just do what the marketing tells you, you're doing fine.

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    3. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now it's dead. Replaced by NextStep. Which is thriving.

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    4. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the guy's blog has a "back-of-the-envelope" calculation that shows apple as the bestest company of all time.

      This isn't your typical off-the-top-of-my-head speculation. ENVELOPES WERE INVOLVED!! ..and backs..

    5. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usage and sales. The article quotes a "back of the envelope calculation" by the blogger himself (!) which shows Apple getting 20% of all personal computer sales this year. Yeah, thats 20-of-100. Guess which OS almost all of the remaining 80% are running?

    6. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by LC+Trucido · · Score: 1

      +1 Sassy.

    7. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure, I won't deny that times are better for Apple. But it's kind of ridiculous to say that Windows is no longer a competitor against Apple, since they are not only actively fighting, but Microsoft is still ahead.

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    8. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by MimeticLie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even better is the fact that he counts iPads as PCs. My phone runs Windows Mobile. Is that a PC?

    9. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Old97 · · Score: 0

      Linux? I heard that last year was the "year of the Linux desktop" or something.

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    10. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      My house has Windows. I think we should factor this in to the calculation as well.

    11. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Stregano · · Score: 1

      I thought iOS was much better for Apple. I am not an Apple guy, but an observer and see that the Apple "gadgets" are what shot Apple way up. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Apple "gadgets" don't use OSX, but iOS. Now that Apple is doing better, maybe they should compare iOS to Windows instead of OSX to Windows.

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    12. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. It's more like a chimera, with MacOS-like stuff bolted onto NextStep. There are still some things I preferred about the original NextStep, such as the menu arrangement.

      Also, MacOS isn't really dead, just emulated. There are emulators available for original 68k and PowerPC varieties, and for multiple platforms (Windows, OS X, Linux). The Mac OS zombie marches on, even on OS X.

    13. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 0

      I heard that last year was the "year of the Linux desktop" or something

      No, no no. That's *next year*.

    14. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by oliverthered · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mac OS is dead, long live BSD.

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    15. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Troll

      Dominance is relative.

      Market Cap (as of this post)
      Apple 318 Bil
      Microsoft 217 Bil

      Who cares if you have 85% of a stagnate market and can't function outside of that market?

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    16. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I am wrong, but the Apple "gadgets" don't use OSX, but iOS.

      Sure will. iOs runs on top of (a cut down version of) OS X and the Darwin Kernel. The major difference is that Cocoa Touch replaces the standard Cocoa API.

    17. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Dr+Egg · · Score: 2

      Correct me if I am wrong, but the Apple "gadgets" don't use OSX, but iOS.

      Almost everything Apple uses OS wise is OS X (only things that don't are iPod Classic, Shuffle, and Nano). iOS is built from OS X, and Mac OS X is built from OS X. OS X is to Apple what the NT kernel is to Microsoft, nothing uses it on it's own, but basically all Microsoft devices are using the same NT core, just with different features and frameworks built on top of it. (That said I can't actually remember if WP7 née WinMo née Win CE uses NT)

    18. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by tomservo84 · · Score: 2

      That, and I'd like to know where Google went...I didn't know they weren't a search engine any longer...WTF have I been using???

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    19. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Even better is the fact that he counts iPads as PCs. My phone runs Windows Mobile. Is that a PC?

      Sure, why not? It's called a tablet computer, and it's, well, personal.

      I think once you started having CPUs and could write programs for them, phones definitely became "computers". Heck, I bet your Windows Mobile phone has more resources than many of our first computers did. I know mine had less than 16K, and read everything from a tape cassette.

      What about your smart-phone, or an iPad, makes it not a computer? Over the last bunch of years, they've largely converged and now do many of the same things.

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    20. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 2

      In other news, there are more Fords on the road than Ferraris.

    21. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by David89 · · Score: 2

      emulated means dead pretty much.

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    22. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Drakino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "year of the Linux Desktop" is what pushed me to OS X 10 years ago. Red Hat was touting that line, while Apple was providing their first attempt at a Unix desktop. I wanted to get off Windows, and Apple provided the better path for me when I compared it side by side to Linux desktops of the time. 10 years later, the Linux desktop has gotten better, but not enough to sway me away from OS X.

      Definitely don't regret the decision. I have out of the box IPv6 based secure tunneling between all my machines now by check marking a box, all my photos in an app that lets me organize them well, a decent selection of games (still not as big as Windows, but it has gotten much better in recent years), and all the unix tools I want waiting for me in Terminal.app. All in a powerful, quiet and well built hardware platform too.

    23. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      And I bet you he didn't even use a real envelope, anyway...

    24. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Algae_94 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We all know how well Wall Street values companies. I mean they got it so right 2 years ago with the entire banking industry. And we all know market cap directly relates to a companies operations right?

      Apple Gross Profit previous 3 months - $10,298 million (reported on 12/25/10)
      Microsoft Gross Profit previous 3 months - $15,120 million (reported on 12/31/10)
      *I would have used annual numbers which were even more in MSFTs favor, but Google has different reporting months for annual data

      So which is a better indication of a companies strength. What wall street investors will pay for its stock, or the gross profit the company makes?

    25. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Like Duke Nuke'Em Forever, that's a mirage. You keep thinking you're headed towards it, but then it just keeps moving away.

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    26. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Tharsman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The point is that Windows was seen as a competitor back then. Apple thought the only way they were able to survive was by defeating Windows and convincing every Windows user the MacOS was better. These days Apple acknowledges there is no competition, that people with their mind set on Windows are unlikely to change that mind, and instead focus just to show case their OS and computers to new generations that are buying for the first time, no longer trying to steal existing consumers from Microsoft.

    27. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      In still other news Apple users think their computers are Ferraris.

      Which makes a kind of sense as Ferrari makes more money licensing it's name and trademarks (to be used on mundane things) then it makes selling cars.

      An Apple computer is like a normal computer with a prancing pony painted on it and double cost.

      Did I just make a car analogy? Damn.

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    28. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by grub · · Score: 1

      Zombies are emulated people!

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    29. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This site has become a mouthpiece for Google and Linux evangelists. Nothing else can get posted without being criticized, accused, or dismissed. There was always a slant, but there was also appreciation for other technology. With people leaving for sites like Reddit, Slashdot's comment section is now so mindlessly antagonistic toward any Google competitors that it's become ridiculously one-sided

      Yell, well, FUCK YOU

    30. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by i_ate_god · · Score: 2

      yes it is. Todays phones are more powerful than computers ten years ago. They run applications, interact with remote services, and pretty much do everything a computer does.

      so yes, tablets and smart phones are computers. Jailbreak an iPhone and you even have a terminal you can ssh into.

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    31. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Or just post-realization of more flexible interrupt handling?

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    32. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Desler · · Score: 2

      Yeah and in 2000, AOL had a market cap of ~$160 billion (which is ~$200 billion taking into account inflation) and we all know that AOL is a thriving leader in the ISP space. Oh wait...

    33. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      We all know how well Wall Street values companies. I mean they got it so right 2 years ago with the entire banking industry. And we all know market cap directly relates to a companies operations right? Apple Gross Profit previous 3 months - $10,298 million (reported on 12/25/10) Microsoft Gross Profit previous 3 months - $15,120 million (reported on 12/31/10) *I would have used annual numbers which were even more in MSFTs favor, but Google has different reporting months for annual data So which is a better indication of a companies strength. What wall street investors will pay for its stock, or the gross profit the company makes?

      How about the development of the gross profit the company makes, you know, something that street investors use to determine what they will pay for its stock?

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    34. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by oPless · · Score: 1

      (That said I can't actually remember if WP7 née WinMo née Win CE uses NT)

      CE is an independent operating system, it uses similar, albeit cut-down Win32 APIs

    35. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trollface.jpg

      Problem?

    36. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by chrysrobyn · · Score: 1

      I didn't even pause at reading it. With Parallels, other VMs and Boot Camp so prolific, I think Windows is much more of a partner and collaborator than it ever was a competitor. There are a lot of Macs out there with purchased Windows installs on them. How could that be viewed as competition?

    37. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by abigor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Slashdot's comments section fell off the map of the technologically savvy a long time ago. As you said, it's mostly just a sounding board for people who "use the internet" and think they understand how things work, and base their opinions on childish principles. Granted that it's always had a bit of that element, but the days when people discussed actual code, complete with pasted samples, are long gone.

      I'm a programmer, I work with a lot of programmers and engineers, and none that I know of read Slashdot. Ten years ago, this would not have been the case.

    38. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      >

      An Apple computer is like a normal computer with a prancing pony painted on it and double cost.

      >

      You're thinking of the Acer Ferrari laptop.

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    39. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

      The linked article mentions that Apple sales should "grab at least 20 percent of global PC sales this year, if you include tablets." Maybe TFS means Dell / HP / other manufacturers (isn't it great needing to interpret article summaries in some bass-akwards way because they're just wrong?). . .

    40. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I have tagged the article 'fapfapfap'.

    41. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by judeancodersfront · · Score: 1

      Correct, it falls on even years.

    42. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by judeancodersfront · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      OS X is what Linux should have been in 2003. The endless desktop/distro wars, user unfriendly package management system and GPL purists have all helped keep Linux at 1%. Good job guys.

    43. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Emulated? By that standard the Atari ST and Commodore 64 aren't dead yet.

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    44. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The "dominance" of Apple is mostly a reflection of how they are no longer really a computer company.

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    45. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Sure, why not? It's called a tablet computer, and it's, well, personal.

      I am not in control of it. It is an appliance that's mostly locked down.

      It's a flat Tivo.

      It's not a PC.

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    46. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by socz · · Score: 1

      Yeah BSD! You know, this is kinda weird... GhettoBSD is about to turn 10 years old itself! It makes sense, they stole my idea and made profit off of it! :( But GhettoBSD is still going, well, ghetto!

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    47. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > all my photos in an app that lets me organize them well

      You mean iPhoto? You must be joking.

      iPhoto is a really BAD example of a bit of proprietary software worth migrating to a new platform over.

      > a decent selection of games

      Depends on your hardware.

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    48. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it fails on odd years ?

    49. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Some day, MacOS might be like Linux is today. Although Steve probably won't let it.

      You whine about "unfriendly package management" but that's the part of Linux that has always been light years ahead of MacOS. ...of all the things to try and elevate MacOS over, that's the dumbest. Ease up on the cool-aid.

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    50. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Chninkel · · Score: 2

      user unfriendly package management system

      [citation needed]

      As far as I'm concerned, I miss the package management system as soon as I'm using Windows. And I always install macport when using OSX ...

      I'm pretty new to Linux, but I find the package management system very user-friendly. YMMV

    51. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...no. He's thinking of Macs.

      Someone mentioned "gaming" on Macs.

      This is a great example of how Apple's tendency to put trailing edge components into overpriced systems will really bite you in the arse.

      Admittedly, I did not build my main desktop with gaming in mind either. At least I could upgrade it later.

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    52. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! OS X is pricey and shinny but Windows gets you to the same exact place at the same time... only the Ford does it for a half the cost.

      I guess the Mac is for geeks going through a mid life crisis, trying to remain cool even if the fact of the matter is that they can't get it up anymore.

    53. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by judeancodersfront · · Score: 1

      Citation needed? It's obviously a subjective opinion and one that I base on seeing how many times package management systems have left users with broken software. Go visit Ubuntu forums for some good examples.
      http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1486437

    54. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      We're kicked out of our niche and had to go live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip.

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    55. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by judeancodersfront · · Score: 1

      Some day, MacOS might be like Linux is today. Although Steve probably won't let it.

      You whine about "unfriendly package management" but that's the part of Linux that has always been light years ahead of MacOS. ...of all the things to try and elevate MacOS over, that's the dumbest. Ease up on the cool-aid.

      I have no problem with package management but then I have experience tracking dependency breaks. New users shouldn't have to resolve dependencies but it happens with all distros. Distros also have a history of breaking hardware with updates.

      You claim Linux is light years ahead but didn't provide any specifics. OSX is Unix underneath but with a proper interface. As for kool-aid I don't use OSX on the desktop, I use Windows. Linux is useful on servers but sucks as a desktop OS.

      But who can argue with 12 years at 1%. What a tremendous success, now Slashdot please mod me down and anyone who criticizes it. Let's just keep doing that for another 12 years and hope something changes.

    56. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither is a great indicator. Gross profits are less significant than net profits. You can take net profits to the bank, literally.

      Gross Profit = Sales - Cost of Materials, Labor and Shipping

      Net Profit = Sales - All Costs

      Apple made $6 Billion net profit quarter ending 12/25/10. Up 78%

      Microsoft made $6.63 Billiion net profit quarter ending 12/31/10 Down 4%

      If you think looking at a quarterly result is the way to go: Microsoft is incurring some operational costs that are extraordinarily high for their type of business. The trend is unmistakable +78% vs -4%.

      Personally I do not believe that one quarter makes a company, but you brought it up.

    57. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Money's just an illusion. Love is all you need.

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    58. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by dave562 · · Score: 1

      In other news, Ferrari still hand builds their engines and chassies. Apple on the other hand uses the same CPUs, RAM and other internal bits as all of the other "Fords" in the computing world.

    59. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by 517714 · · Score: 1
      I was signed in and did not click 'Post Anonymously' when I posted this.

      Neither is a great indicator. Gross profits are less significant than net profits. You can take net profits to the bank, literally.

      Gross Profit = Sales - Cost of Materials, Labor and Shipping

      Net Profit = Sales - All Costs

      Apple made $6 Billion net profit quarter ending 12/25/10. Up 78%

      Microsoft made $6.63 Billiion net profit quarter ending 12/31/10 Down 4%

      If you think looking at a quarterly result is the way to go: Microsoft is incurring some operational costs that are extraordinarily high for their type of business. The trend is unmistakable +78% vs -4%.

      Personally I do not believe that one quarter makes a company, but you brought it up.

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    60. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by bay43270 · · Score: 1

      you mean like Windows; which died and was replaced by OS2?

    61. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Drakino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, I mean iPhoto. Been using it since version 1 from January 2002. Back when cameras all hadn't standardized on ways to transfer photos to a computer, and most people were doing all the file management by hand. I plug in a camera, iPhoto launches, and offers to import. I can organize them into albums, and over time events, places, faces and smart albums were added to make it better. Features have also been added to let me share the photos to web sites, via e-mail, Facebook, and other places. All without ever having to manage the files directly.

      And at any time I can extract out all my initial jpeg imported images out of the library this "bit of proprietary software" created and move to another program if I need to. So far that hasn't happened. I have poked at Picassa and had fun with the face movie feature, and I am glad to see the competition. It's just not quite enough to move me away from the solutions I have now that work for me.

      iPhoto was one of the programs that helped me understand "The Mac way" early on, and I've come to appreciate it. With iLife apps, Spotlight, and other features, I don't manage files. I manage my content. In doing so, it's helped me realize what a proper consumer based system should look like. While the free software folks have been busy over the past decade arguing over licenses and what free and open mean, I've been bringing the joys of computing to my family members, including my elderly grandparents thanks to the consumer nature of OS X. I've given up on caring about using proprietary vs open software long ago, and instead pick what works well. In some cases it's FOSS software, in others it's free but closed software, and other times it's paid closed software.

      I'm still a supporter of Linux, and continue to use it as a server OS. But I'm not prepared to switch to it as a desktop OS, nor would I even think of switching my family over. Ultimately practicality wins out for me these days over idealism.

    62. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2

      Much like there are Mac zealots, there are anti-Mac zealots. With Apple on an upswing, the Mac zealots are sated, while the anti-Mac zealots are enraged.

      It seems weird to give a shit either way, in my mind it's little different than following a sports team, but to each their own I suppose, which often includes needing others to share their arbitrary preferences.

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    63. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by perlchild · · Score: 1

      It's because Microsoft invented "embrace-and-extend" and apple perfected it.

      Microsoft did all these shenanigans to stac, symantec, etc... Who started as Microsoft Partners...

      Apple does the reverse... Letting the user choose to use the os they want, but making it out of the box easier to use theirs.

      The end result: I've heard a LOT of mac fans touting the bootcamp feature to potential new converts...

      The dirty secret: none of them would think of using it without parallels or fusion.

    64. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dominance is relative.

      And stock price is never, ever an indication of "dominance".

      Plus, I doubt that even you would be so bold as to say that Apple's capitalization has anything at all to do with its personal computing platform and not it's consumer electronics.

      As a user of Apple computers, but not really their consumer electronics, I often wonder if they will ever come out with a new operating system for personal computers.

      Due to the current direction of the company, I have my doubts as to whether the successor to OSX will allow me to buy my own software and install it myself without the prior approval of Apple. I'm not even sure there will be a successor to OSX. I am not saying this to diminish Apple's success, but rather as an indication that they have "moved on" as a company, from making computing platforms that you could use to develop your own software and use for many other creative endeavors, to entertainment and other carefully curated "personal management" software. I believe they have found their niche in creating the successor to the PDA and the kind of computing in which users of Slashdot with UIDs below 1000000 generally engage. I'm not putting this new approach down, I'm just recognizing that with the iOS platforms they have found success that they never reached when they were focused on personal computing.

      Apple's stock has played a big part in allowing my wife and I to send my daughter to a good university. Apple's personal computers played a huge part in my career as a creative artist. Although the Macintosh is no longer my primary platform for music or video production, and it's no longer the clear choice in any of the creative fields - graphic arts, music production, video production, photography - their part in the history of the use of personal computers in those fields is an important one.

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    65. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by keytohwy · · Score: 1

      What is proprietary about iPhoto? Legitimately curious.

    66. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm a programmer, I work with a lot of programmers and engineers

      But you were talking about "the technologically savvy". Are you certain that "programmers" qualify?

      but the days when people discussed actual code, complete with pasted samples, are long gone.

      And praise god, they will stay that way.

      Ten years ago, this would not have been the case.

      Ten years ago, saying you were a "programmer" still had a remnant of meaning. Today, being a "programmer" plus a dollar and a half will get you on the bus (and the fare's only a dollar). Did you ever think the reason programming jobs were so enthusiastically sent overseas was because nobody here wanted to be around them? I would suggest that being in a career that someone on the other side of the world is willing to do for $2/hr does not really entitle you to consider yourself somehow elite.

      Slashdot's comments section fell off the map of the technologically savvy a long time ago.

      I'm not convinced you are in a position to so judge.

      There are Slashdot users who are theoretical physicists, nuclear physicists, inventors, mathematicians (both pure and applied), a law professor, professional artists in several media, and at least one expert in Critical Theory with whom I am well acquainted. Those are just some of the areas of expertise that pop to my post-dinner mind. You want to talk about "technically savvy"? Son, you might want to think about who left who in the dust.

      "Programmers"? Please...

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    67. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      EDSAC, too... (including the likely first computer game! With its unsettling relation to WOPR...)

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    68. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by konohitowa · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure which is sadder: that you got modded troll, or that the group-think that is Reddit is a better alternative than /. these days. Reddit so much reminds me of USENET after AOL "discovered" the internet, but without all of the uppercase. I suppose that means that /. reminds of USENET post-weblog.

    69. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      This site has become a mouthpiece for Google and Linux evangelists. Nothing else can get posted without being criticized, accused, or dismissed. There was always a slant, but there was also appreciation for other technology. With people leaving for sites like Reddit, Slashdot's comment section is now so mindlessly antagonistic toward any Google competitors that it's become ridiculously one-sided

      Yell, well, FUCK YOU

      I wonder; did he yell? and yell well? ran amuck? to you, yelled fuck?

    70. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      1) Gross profit is a very poor indicator - you can sell a lot of junk at a low margin but you aren't going to make much money.

      2) Market cap is (in theory) a reflection of expected total value of assets and future cashflows. If you expect a company to make $x billion a year for the next however-many-years-you-want-to-project-or-invest years, you would apply the NPV formula on the future cashflows, bundle that in with the assets and the "goodwill" of the company and you can make a rough guess at what it's worth. I'm not saying Apple is worth the $300 odd billion the market is currently valuing it at, but it's what the perception of future earnings is.

      The other thing many investors look at is Price/Earnings ratio - and that's something that is often similar over the sector. Currently, some of the big techies are:
      AAPL: 19
      GOOG: 22
      MSFT: 11
      HPQ: 11
      IBM: 14
      DELL: 11
      HTC: 21
      RIMM: 11
      Motorola: 59 (!)

      That gives you an idea of where investors see Apple having competitors - against Google and HTC, rather than the Windows world. (Don't ask me to explain why Motorola is so high)

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    71. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by narcc · · Score: 1

      Personally I do not believe that one quarter makes a company, but you brought it up.

      You missed the part where he wrote:

      *I would have used annual numbers which were even more in MSFTs favor, but Google has different reporting months for annual data

    72. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      I think this is where desktop linux is screwing up. Android is going to be the ipod for linux, or the community is going to screw it up. Personally I think the traditional PC is going to eventually fade into obscurity, or at least be transformed into a mix of your home entertainment center, tablet, and smartphone. I'm just remembering Scotty's line from ST4, "A keyboard? How quaint."

    73. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by 517714 · · Score: 1

      I suppose I should have challenged that as an example of faulty reasoning. It is an incorrect statement. The data can be neither in favor of one company or the other since the fiscal year reporting periods are too different for the two companies and any comparison on that basis is invalid. Naturally, it would appear to be more in favor of Microsoft since it would exclude the most recent quarter of Apple's Sales, with the sales from four quarters earlier instead, but stating such as he did is misleading.

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    74. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      Wow. I'd given up on OS 8 emulation because I only about basilisk's support for OS 7. Thanks for letting me know about emaculation!

      I remember back when emulation.net was not yet domain parked. It was a mac only reference, which you don't expect for such such a highly Win32-exclusive field. Your post made me nostalgic for how gerryICQ helped filled the void when neither the official mac ICQ nor AOL IM stored chats and seriously lacked feature-parity with Windows... or playing chiptunes from bannister.org's nsf emulator, which later came to Windows.

      Thanks, kind anon. Now, where's the MacOS install CD for that old dead G3 of mine...

    75. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple are now worth more than Microsoft.

    76. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Drakino · · Score: 1

      It's not a FOSS product, so some people will call it proprietary for that reason alone. It's also proprietary in the way it stores photos, using a custom database for organization. The DB part doesn't bother me much, since there isn't a "standard" for photo management, but some people may prefer date stamped folders or something more hands on with the files.

    77. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2

      You can still organize photos by date stamped folders if you put them into events. But really, the point of using iPhoto is that it makes organization more than just looking through directories, especially with the new-ish Faces feature. Besides, you're never more than a right-click away from having iPhoto show you exactly where in the file system your image is located.

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    78. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      Nope. The Mac is for geeks who like being able to rock the command line and have great consumer GUI apps all on the same machine.

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    79. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      And the case? Frankly I would pay a premium for the Apple laptops just for the construction. Unless you happen to like the sound of creaky plastic MacBooks are the way to go.

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    80. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Adayse · · Score: 1

      Desktop Linux could make a bigger effort to run android apps. Those are what developers are developing and controlling them from a touch phone using vnc makes a lot of sense to me.

    81. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It's not a PC.

      "PC" is not a technical term with any actual meaning or merit whatsoever. It's just an abbreviation of some marketing executive's made-up name for IBM's entry into the microcomputer market. And the iPad definitely falls into the microcomputer category, just like anyone's desktop.

      IBM left the market years ago. NOTHING currently for sale is a PC.

    82. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Jaxoreth · · Score: 1

      But the guy's blog has a "back-of-the-envelope" calculation that shows apple as the bestest company of all time.

      This isn't your typical off-the-top-of-my-head speculation. ENVELOPES WERE INVOLVED!! ..and backs..

      Did he make an envelope with two backs?

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    83. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Any time spent on creating an emulator for OS9 and earlier would be much better used in finding ways of obliterating it from the page of time entirely.

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    84. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      Sure, I won't deny that times are better for Apple. But it's kind of ridiculous to say that Windows is no longer a competitor against Apple, since they are not only actively fighting, but Microsoft is still ahead.

      I don't think I'd call Windows a competitor either.

      How much of Apple's income is from the sale of computers running OSX? How much comes from iPod/iPhone sales? How much comes from sales on iTunes and the App Store?

      And even with those computers running OSX... It seems to me that many people are actually seeking out specifically a Macintosh computer, not just shopping around for a deal. They aren't going to consider purchasing a Windows machine - because it doesn't run OSX.

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    85. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      We're talking about OS's here, not hardware. OSX is simply the better architecture.

    86. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      See my post below: We're talking about OS's here, not hardware. Regardless of where the money is made, Ferraris are the better built cars, just as OSX is the better built OS - from the ground up.

    87. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      lol +10 Funny ;)

    88. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I am not in control of it. It is an appliance that's mostly locked down.

      It's a flat Tivo.

      It's not a PC.

      Wow, all the irrational zeal and enthusiasm of RMS and a four digit ID. Bravo sir.

      I'm afraid I disagree with you ... just because it's not idealogically pure enough for you doesn't cause it to cease to be a computer. Some of you guys are just way too rabid in your assertions. You remind me of Stalin and his purges for crying out loud, you come across as bordering on zealotry with the need to shout down anybody who disagrees with you.

      Boo hoo, you don't have unlimited freedom to do what you want with it, and you are horribly oppressed ... help help, come see the violence inherent in the system. Both an Xbox and a PS3 are locked down too ... are they not computers? I know for a fact there are supercomputers made from PS3s ... oh, but someone has Linux running on it, so that makes everything OK. Right, gotcha. Same hardware, different OS, that turns it into a computer.

      I'm sorry, but you're not the keeper of the definition of a computer ... it's got a CPU, memory, storage, input and output, and is capable of running Turing-complete languages. That makes it a computer.

      Sometimes you guys get so mired down in whether you have the freedom to port Tux Racer to something that you go around making these big sweeping statements about how it's not good enough because it's a limited platform ... and you ignore the freedom of someone to actually buy one of these devices and get usage out of it. Keep your politics out of my consumer choices, and shut up about it.

      Drooling, rabid, ideological fanboi-ism doesn't really accomplish anything of actual value. It certainly doesn't allow for any dialog, because you've already decided that You Are Right and that everyone else if a fucking moron.

      In conclusion, Have a Nice Day ... but remember, it's not all about you.

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    89. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by juasko · · Score: 1

      nope it's not, iphoto is a brilliant organizer, it's my preferred App for that task, And I've tested a few.

    90. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by juasko · · Score: 2

      iOS and OSX is same OS, just different top layers. And lots of stuff stripped off from osx.

    91. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by juasko · · Score: 1

      Nah i would not define it that way, OSX is short for MacOSX. The kernel is XNU and the "bsd" system Darwin.

       

    92. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by juasko · · Score: 1

      well is still use Google as if it where a search engine, but I'm looking forward to a new one coming up soon. Starting up as the old Google search engine. But to call Google a search engine today, is quite ignorant imo.

      Need a competitor to google that can produce better search results, not promoted or supported search results. But what actually search for what I tell it to search for.

    93. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may not be the dominant operating system, yet, but OS X does indeed provide a better experience than Windows does (so do the iPad and iPhone when compared to whatever products Microsoft might have in that space).

      It's not all Microsoft's fault though... I Recently helped a friend set up his Dell laptop, and what a piece of crap that was! With its dinky and grossly inaccurate trackpad, Dell's vast collection of Crapware, and the apparent technological advances Dell has made in paper mache construction techniques, how on Earth could Windows 7 ever shine?

      Some of the smartest things Apple does is control their own hardware and put every effort into making it great. OS X is very nice in and of itself, but with their hardware, Apple can place their OS is the best light possible. Microsoft simply cannot do that.

    94. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by juasko · · Score: 1

      Soz my mac was cheaper than similar hardware bought and assembled by my self. Yes, I did check.

    95. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by juasko · · Score: 1

      Nope, OSX is cheap compared to windows.

      Ever upgraded your windows PC?. My 4 year old mac still feels like it was new, and yeah it still beats many PC you get in shops today. I've upgraded OSX from 10.4 to 10.6 during that time, and it will run 10.7 just as nicely.

      I have no plans to get a replacement yet. I guess that still within 2 years, I will not feel the need for a new system. That is 6 years with same hardware. My work PC's gets renewed twice in that time frame. And I doubt my next work PC will be any smother than the mac I have. My current mac is a real work horse.

      It's a MacPro1,1 @ 2.0GHz

    96. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by juasko · · Score: 1

      True, it's not like in the -80s when Mac hardware where light years ahead of the intel pc's.

      First thing that made them more similar was PCI, then USB and finally that Apple adopted the inferior but more successful Intel architecture.

    97. Re:Windows "was" a competitor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS is just a stripped down version of OS X that's got a few more extensions to run on mobile hardware and device drivers for their touchscreens.

  2. played with the beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OS X server 1.0 or whatever it was called. I remember thinking the icons were ridiculously large ( like OpenStep's icons at the time )
    they toned it down somewhat for the release.
    Display-Postscript was awesome ( er... Display-PDF )

    At the time, though, it didn't have OS 9 compatibility, so we were left wondering what you would use it for.

    At the time people were saying they'd just stick with yellow dog linux.
    Funny how times change

    1. Re:played with the beta by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Informative

      At the time people were saying they'd just stick with yellow dog linux. Funny how times change

      Yeah, hilarious. Xserves are dead now, and Mac OS X Server won't be far behind. Thankfully you can run CentOS on a 1U budget server and still use the yellow dog update manager. :)

    2. Re:played with the beta by audunr · · Score: 2

      Lion Server will be a part of regular Mac OS X Lion and not a separate product. So it'll still exist, but not like before. http://www.9to5mac.com/53759/apple-announced-lion-server-comes-integrated-into-mac-os-x-lion/

    3. Re:played with the beta by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      At the time people were saying they'd just stick with yellow dog linux. Funny how times change

      Yeah, hilarious. Xserves are dead now, and Mac OS X Server won't be far behind. Thankfully you can run CentOS on a 1U budget server and still use the yellow dog update manager. :)

      And yet the story about Lion Server kicking SMB got 680 comments so far - how many did the last CentOS story get?

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    4. Re:played with the beta by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Lion Server kicking SMB

      Actually, it's kicking SAMBA in favor of an Apple proprietary SMB/CIFS offering. It's like dropping apache for an in-house crafted web server.

    5. Re:played with the beta by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The CentOS fanboys are all far too busy actually doing real work.

      No time for trolling...

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    6. Re:played with the beta by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      The CentOS fanboys are all far too busy actually doing real work.

      No time for trolling...

      You must not have read the very post I replied to. Or you are trolling.

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    7. Re:played with the beta by shmlco · · Score: 1

      SAMBA changed the terms of their license. It's like Apache changing their terms after the fact and requiring that any website built using Apache be completely and totally free. No paywalls. No ads. No sales. Zip.

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  3. Flamewars by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real reason Mac OS X exists is to fuel flamewars between nerds of different OS religions.

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    1. Re:Flamewars by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OS X has solved more flamewars than it sparked. It's a great middle ground, where both GUI lovers and CLI lovers are welcome. You don't have to be a fanatic to like OS X, unlike OS 9 and earlier.

      Obviously, there are still good reasons to use systems other than OS X, but everyone can agree that OS X is a big improvement.

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    2. Re:Flamewars by characterZer0 · · Score: 2

      CLI lovers may be welcome, but do they actually use it? Everybody I know who said that OS X was great because of the CLI has since switched to Linux.

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    3. Re:Flamewars by Hatta · · Score: 1

      True, but a strong third (after linux and bsd) is better than being dead last.

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    4. Re:Flamewars by iluvcapra · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Flamewars by Jethro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most my computers are Linux machines, including my desktop.

      My laptop is a Macbook Pro. Before that it was a Macbook, and before that it was a Powerbook.

      I would not have TOUCHED a Mac if not for OS X, which is, essentially, UNIX.

      I'm typing thins on my laptop right now. I currently have Firefox open, and an IM program, a VNC, and several terminals. One terminal is running Alpine on my desktop, one is doing an apt-get dist-upgrade on my media center, and one is setting up the new kernel/boot parameters for the network boot on my media server.

      So, yes, people DO use the CLI in OS X, I'd say ESPECIALLY people who live in UNIX-land, but do also occasionally need to edit some video or process some photographs or record some audio.

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    6. Re:Flamewars by drspliff · · Score: 0

      I've got three Terminal windows open at the moment (across two monitors, each with perhaps 5-7 tabs).

      I came from being a reasonably long-time desktop linux user and still use it for a desktop every now and then (via FreeNX), but use it all day every day on servers.

    7. Re:Flamewars by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sorry: Forth place after Windows, linux and bsd. Which makes it dead last unless you count OS2.

      Mac heads don't get to get away with calling Windows sugar coated DOS for decades then not even count it's CLI.

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    8. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work with at a place that was all Digital Unix and Solaris and I consider myself and my former colleagues not so much CLI lovers as CLI addicts. Several years later and with all my colleagues scattered around the globe in all kinds of places I have found out that all the guys I knew from back then are now using Mac OS X. All independently of each other, many of us having no or very little regular contact with each other. There was a brief period when many of us were using Linux, but there were always the hassle with getting good laptop hardware that had driver support.

      I guess many uses Linux or BSD as server OS, but for the desktop and laptop, Mac OS X is the choice right now. YMMV.

    9. Re:Flamewars by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      I would not have TOUCHED a Mac if not for OS X, which is, essentially, UNIX.

      Incorrect. OS X is Certified UNIX.
      Other than that I agree with you completely.

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    10. Re:Flamewars by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Windows *was* sugar coated DOS for a decade.

      And my ranking was purely based on CLI environments. Would you really rather use Powershell or Cygwin than native Bash or CSH?

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    11. Re:Flamewars by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Well, under System 7 through OS 9 I used MPW Workshop with a network plugin for remote and windowed CLI, and MacsBUG for true under-the-hood goodness :)

      OS X is still a huge improvement, although I miss MacsBUG. Playing Pong directly on the hardware was fun :)

    12. Re:Flamewars by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Incorrect. OS X is Certified UNIX.

      You weenies keep on repeating this like some religious chant as if it actually means something without really understanding it.

      The relevant visible parts of MacOS are pretty anti-unix actually.

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    13. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad how trolls can't count. The linux&co marketshare is miniscule compared to the osx (and windows) marketshare.

      Slashdot is NOT an accurate site for measuring os marketshare.

    14. Re:Flamewars by dbc · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have two terminal windows open on my Mac right now. I wanted a reasonably priced, *nix-based laptop that would sync nicely to my PDA, and not become a maintenance chore (I have plenty of Linux machines for that). So far, Apple hasn't mucked-up the unix functionality too badly, although they try. So yes, some us bought Macbooks because they are one of the better unix laptop options out there, not because we are Apple fan boys. And yes, I pop open command shells all the time. But I'll admit I'm very old-school about unix in general -- on half my systems you need to type startx.

    15. Re:Flamewars by Microlith · · Score: 1

      OS X 10.5 is Certified Unix.

      They have not, to my knowledge, resubmitted later versions. I don't know if it applies to any of the 10.5.X versions.

    16. Re:Flamewars by Microlith · · Score: 1

      I used the CLI on my Mac for my entire last year of university. All of my CS assignments were done in the console using Bison, Flex, and GCC. Went back and forth with someone on my team who was using Redhat, no problem. At that point you could not prove the superiority of Linux over OS X to me, as I had the best of both worlds.

      Now my Macbook runs Ubuntu, and I won't support Apple. They've shifted focus to their Mobile products, where Free Software is unwelcome and they've decided that access to the space is reserved for themselves and those who they bless. So IMO, OS X is something great that delivered ease of use plus optional power, tainted by a corporate drive to strip end users of that

    17. Re:Flamewars by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      CLI lovers may be welcome, but do they actually use it? Everybody I know who said that OS X was great because of the CLI has since switched to Linux.

      Someone who thinks OS X is great "because of the CLI" is lost in the sauce.
      However, it does have a great CLI toolbox, and a terminal emulator which makes it almost worth switching to OS X by itself.

      AFAIK, you still cannot search gnome-terminal's terminal history?? I have noticed they added a unlimited terminal history size option at least, and with a decent window manager it can do transparency. You have to understand that Terminal.app has done this stuff in a standard way, for a pretty long time now.

      OS X also has a bunch of other neat features for the average pro unix admin (I'm assuming this is my audience, else why would OS X vs. Linux be brought up)
      Like.. I can use my company's .pac file and expect more than just firefox to be able to parse it. /me glares at *nix

      I think OS X is the best workstation/frontend for UNIX administration you can get.

    18. Re:Flamewars by Graff · · Score: 5, Informative

      The relevant visible parts of MacOS are pretty anti-unix actually.

      Erm, no, Mac OS X is quite definitely 100% certified Unix. This has nothing to do with the "visible parts" (you mean the GUI I assume), this is all about the underlying kernel and other subsystems of the OS, as well as some of the userland tools.

    19. Re:Flamewars by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Well I'm an exception, Unix user since 1988: AIX, IRIX, SunOS, Solaris and SCO. And DOS user before that. I always have a terminal open in OSX. No question Linux has better open source stuff, but Darwinports is usable. And the desktop productivity stuff is better. A middle ground like parent said.

    20. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Mac_OS_X_and_Mac_OS_X_Server

      Yes, 10.6 is registered as well.

    21. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what exactly is "anti-unix" about the "visible parts", O wise guru?

      Seriousy, what the hell are you babbling about?

    22. Re:Flamewars by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia says that 10.6 is also certified UNIX 03. Technically on 10.5 on Intel was certified. 10.5 on PPC was not. There is no 10.6 on PPC.

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    23. Re:Flamewars by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So where does it leave us - the people who dislike shitty GUI and CLI interfaces/implementations?

      For being a mouse-driven OS, it sucks at it. There is an obscene amount of mousing required for some of the most basic tasks, and keyboard shortcuts only mildly improve the matter. Want to avoid carpel tunnel? Don't get a Mac. (Have they fixed the "big screens need a high-mpg vehicle to navigate" slow scrolling problem, yet? Last I looked, short of using drivers from Microsoft and/or a Microsoft mouse, there was no work around.)

      Console interface? Sure, it's got bash, or tcsh, or zsh, or whatever the hell you want to use. The filesystem sucks nuts, and it's horribly inaccessible in that the pathnames are long with spaces. It's got a crude mix-match of BSD utilities, so if you want anything relatively modern or featureful, you've got to use something crude and poorly conceived (due to it being based on ports) like Darwin Ports. It fits in well with the (legacy) Apple approach of "why upgrade it if it's working well?" but on a modern system it's somewhat pathetic.

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    24. Re:Flamewars by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2

      You can be a certified unix without actually acknowledging/adhering the basic principles of what make Unix uh, what made it appealing. In those regards, OSX is almost entirely a failure (as are window management/DEs like KDE4 and GNOME, to a large degree - KDE3 was significantly better in the 'glue' regard).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy

      Small is beautiful.

      MacOS itself is quite monolythic in design. There is no "minimal install". There is no "small", for that matter.

      Make each program do one thing well.

      They've got applications which do a couple things well, and they borrow a great deal of BSD tools, which do one thing well. I don't know that it has any quality other than "uses the BSD tools" that makes it Unix-y. Applescript and/or the other scripting integration, maybe, but it's not exactly accessible or that easily leveraged.

      Build a prototype as soon as possible.

      Choose portability over efficiency.

      Well, this is certainly very true for OSX: it runs on phones and "servers", and it isn't terribly efficient.

      Store data in flat text files.

      XML fail.

      Use software leverage to your advantage.

      Honestly, not it's strong suite, unless you're considering the App Store as part of "OS X".

      Use shell scripts to increase leverage and portability.

      Not so much. (But then, FreeBSD, with periodic, fails in this regard. It increases lock-in and decreases portability...)

      Avoid captive user interfaces.

      Massive, massive fail.

      Make every program a filter.

      Not so much, in as far as there's really not much of a linear divide between CLI and GUI. CLI tools are treated as a "god mode", for the most part.

      The 10 lesser tenets are not universally agreed upon as part of the Unix philosophy and, in some cases, are hotly debated such as Monolithic Kernels vs. Microkernels:

      Allow the user to tailor the environment.

      Apple: there is one GUI, and one GUI only. Do not even think of changing something significant, like mouse focus.

      Make operating system kernels small and lightweight.

      They did pretty well in this regard.

      Use lowercase and keep it short.

      Yep, that's exactly what they (didn't) do: http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=12505262

      Save trees.

      ... buy a new Mac every time a new one comes out? Lithium is much more expendable. ... and so on.

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    25. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course I use it... I read my email at work with alpine while working on is x.

    26. Re:Flamewars by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      The relevant visible parts of MacOS are pretty anti-unix actually.

      Following that X Windows and the window manager used, Gnome, KDE, or whatever are anti-unix as well. Yet you'll see these on many Linux PCs. As well a PCs with AIX, Solaris, and other Unices.

      Falcon

    27. Re:Flamewars by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, you still cannot search gnome-terminal's terminal history??

      Speaking of gnome-terminal, how the fuck do you set the default window size? In Terminal.app, you just resize and Shell -> Use Settings As Default.

      (And, speaking of the OS X CLI, does any other UN*X desktop environment have commands like pbcopy to copy the standard input to the clipboard or pbpaste to spew the clipboard to the standard output? If not, why not?)

    28. Re:Flamewars by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      "Mac heads don't get to get away with calling Windows sugar coated DOS for decades then not even count it's CLI"

      Windows has a cli? With pipes and everything? Did I miss that coming out?

      It's funny how in the early Mac days the Windows users pooh-pooh'd them saying that they wanted to be able to know what was going on under the hood. Now that the roles are completely reversed the Windows crowd has had to find other reason to look down their noses as OS X.

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    29. Re:Flamewars by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2

      What ARE you talking about? Your mousing comments are just plain weird and Apple keyboard short cuts are fantastic. I rarely even touch the mouse. Your second paragraph is even zanier. Long path names? So, don't put spaces in your file names. Don't like MacPorts? (That's what it's called these days). Download the source and compile it yourself. Crude mix-match of BSD utilities? What?

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    30. Re:Flamewars by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      Well, anecdotal as it may be, I use a Mac for work exclusively, by choice, and spend half the day working from the CLI.

    31. Re:Flamewars by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

      Actually, OS X does a lot better in many of these than say Linux. CLI in OS X is the same as in Linux or any other UNIX variant, no complaints there. It's as UNIXie as it gets.

      But when it comes to GUIs, OS X is way less busy and follows the do one thing and do it well and be as simple as possible but not simpler a LOT better than Linux.

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    32. Re:Flamewars by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

      Gee, Mac OS X GUI is extremely easy to drive, and if you don't know CLI you can get some of the flavour or feel for it by using spotlight searches (you only need to learn a few intuitive and basic metadata attributes) to get to your GUI windows, and from there you can drive them with keyboard/Expose.

      I have 30'' screen hooked to my Mac Pro with Apple wired (5 button) mouse and mouse pointer can be moved from upper right corner to the bottom left corner in one short move on the mouse pad and my pointer scrolling is not even set to the max rate (it's way too fast if I do that).

      I don't know how you use your computer, but I don't really reach for mouse that much when I use my computers (I'm a software developer, use CLI, VIM etc) and I even browse the internet in Firefox with pentadactyl so I don't have to touch the mouse ever.
      So, now carpal syndrome here.

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    33. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just something to keep in mind, OS X is not "essentially" UNIX, it is a certified UNIX system; That is, they meet the Single UNIX Specification, have paid for the certifications process, and are allowed to use the UNIX trademark. Linux, on the other hand, is considered a "UNIX-like" system, though only due to the fact that an individual distribution would have to be certified and they're not likely to want to pay for that certification.

    34. Re:Flamewars by pebs · · Score: 1

      CLI lovers may be welcome, but do they actually use it? Everybody I know who said that OS X was great because of the CLI has since switched to Linux.

      Did these people switch from Windows to OS X? OS X happens to have a usable UNIX userland, which is good, but what makes it great is the combination of being a UNIX and the excellent GUI, commercial software availability and support, and no hassle with wifi / power management / multi-monitor support.

      I'm a long time UNIX user (started using various proprietary UNIXes a few years before Linux existed) and a software developer. Of course I use the command line (BTW homebrew being my package manager of choice). I also use Microsoft Office, iTunes, commercial music apps (like Logic, GarageBand), commercial video editing software (Final Cut). I switched from Linux as my host OS (running Windows in VMWare), to OS X as my host OS (and needing a Windows VM a lot less; I don't use Windows at home at all anymore). OS X hits a sweet spot where it meets all of my needs, one of which happens to be a proper UNIX userland, even though Linux is better for that. It's the sum of the parts which is what makes OS X and Mac hardware nice.

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    35. Re:Flamewars by juasko · · Score: 1

      Whatever, but one thing is for sure, Linux is less Unix than MacOSX is.

    36. Re:Flamewars by juasko · · Score: 1

      forget pathnames use the superior aliases.

      I give you 1 thing right though the standard mice is way to slow. But that's actually fixable.

    37. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CLI lovers may be welcome, but do they actually use it? Everybody I know who said that OS X was great because of the CLI has since switched to Linux.

      Given that Linux is used by less than 1% of the entire computer-using population, you must not have many friends.

    38. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The filesystem sucks nuts, and it's horribly inaccessible in that the pathnames are long with spaces.

      PROTIP: Type the first few letters of a directory name and use the TAB key to autocomplete.

    39. Re:Flamewars by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "Want to avoid carpel tunnel? Don't get a Mac."

      Have to totally disagree with this. Carpel tunnel is exacerbated by trying to perform fine hand and wrist motion while simultaneously applying pressing with your fingers to a mouse or trackpad button or scroll-wheel.

      The touch interface (tap and tap lock and gestures) on a Mac trackpad require no such pressure. The lightest tap or finger flick will click or scroll anything as needed.

      It's such a marked improvement that I no longer suffer from carpel tunnel symptoms at all...

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    40. Re:Flamewars by bahamuut · · Score: 1

      I use a mac every day, and I can second that the filesystem sucks dog nuts - (journaling my ass!) have lost two one TB Drives to HFS+ and I also hate the fact that Adobe products and some other major products REFUSE to install on case sensitive HFS+ drives (had to jump through some hoops but made it work) and I also agree about the mousing and half-ass keyboard shortcuts- have the double wrist braces to show for it (well actually that's baseball AND bad typing/ mousing posture) That all being said, I still like the interface (once you hack it up just a bit) and the BSD utilities, albeit a crude mix-match. I spent much of my college (1.0) years haunched over a dell laptop running Linux ssh'ing and running X to connect to the labs over at Harvey Mudd where I took CS. once I found out P=NP ain't for me, I found audio engineering which seems the perfect blend of computer skills while interfacing with intriguing personalities, at least for me. OS9 was always a joke to me, but AT THE TIME OS X was the closest I could get to blending the *nix experience with a coherent GUI. Somewhere along the line, Apple quit giving a shit about serious Audio/Video people and decided to focus on ipods and the like. During this time Hardware upgrades to the Mac as well as serious (desktop) OS development slowed to almost a stop, forcing many serious Media Pros to jump ship (many of my video professors who do work outside of teaching use PC's running AVID or ADOBE Premiere) because of lack of support for modern graphics technologies amongst other things. Apple may have turned the corner on this with the introduction of Thunderbolt, but this is yet to be seen. lack of non mac filesystem support in os X is also a big pain in the crotch, especially since it would be trivial to do zfs and ntfs successfully and NTFS support (including writing to it! ) is soreley missed in the audio production side of things. It's 2011, there's really no excuse as to why I still can't write safely to my NTFS partitions without fear of severe data corruption (yeah I know Microsoft didn't document how to write to the filesystem) . So why do I stay with the Mac? Logic and ProTools which I use every day.
      PS, will Microsoft and Apple please agree on a protocol to share files across the network? smb sucks on macs and afp support on Windows is the same. at least then Macs can play in mac world and PC's in PC Land while sharing files without names being too long or your network shared drive being full of .ds_store files and other .bullshit

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    41. Re:Flamewars by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to argue about OS X's adherence or non-adherence to these principles, but there's a real question of whether those principles are worth adhering to in a general case.

      The original UNIX systems were written for extraordinarily limited hardware by today's standards. 'Small is beautiful' wasn't just an empty mantra, it was the key to functioning well at all. You wanted user editable flat text files because there was a chance that you'd have to (as an administrator) edit them over a very slow link, or on a 80 character wide screen that wouldn't be able to support anything more complicated. Small, lightweight programs that do one thing well were great because you could chain them together to do one big thing properly. But it's not necessarily more efficient to do it that way, it's just better to do it that way when you've got no resources to spare, no cycles to waste, and no memory to hold anything more monolithic at a time. Sure, you could pipe a text file through sort then through grep then through sed then through something else, or now, you could just open it up and do what you want. In real time.

      As for tailoring the user environment, studies in HCI have shown that people often make decisions that are counter to their productivity, even though they subjectively report an improvement in comfort and/or productivity. Users actually don't always know what's best. That's why users aren't called on to customize things like the swap algorithm or how the multitasking subsystem choses what process is swapped out. And—let's be real here—tailoring the environment on a UNIX system of the sort you're talking about amounts to being able to set your paths, alias commands to different commands (or commands with arguments), and chose which shell you're going to use. 'You can have any colour you want as long as it's black,' isn't just for Model Ts and OS X; the limited number of ways that you can customize your shell mean that leveraging all of them doesn't make for THAT much of a different environment.

      The command line is a very powerful tool for some things. It's a great way to tell the system exactly what you want done in a very direct way. But it's hard to lay in a specification for a group of objects that isn't in some way contiguous or textually groupable; that's why we use mice and GUIs at all.

      The UNIX philosophy had (and still has, in certain circumstances) its place, and now systems like iOS—which has a touch interface as its primary interface method; the diametric opposite of old UNIX systems—also have a place.

      I know you don't explicitly claim that OS X is a bad thing to have around, but I think it's important to realize and point out that design principles that once made a lot of sense may no longer be useful to adhere to in as many circumstances. If you're still in an environment with limited resources and slow connectivity, UNIX systems will continue to work very well for you.

    42. Re:Flamewars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, yes, Windows' command prompt does indeed have pipes and everything.

  4. halcyon days? by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows was still a competitor, and Google was still a search engine. These were halcyon days, when being a Mac user meant belonging to the second team

    So mac users fancy themselves as belonging to the winning team now? And how exactly were the days when Microsoft propped up Apple to prevent Microsoft from becoming a noticeable monopoly halcyon? Apple's fire almost died, and they had to make heavy use of BSD licensed (free, wee!) software to rekindle the embers.

    1. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, you think the use of some BSD code is what made the difference?

    2. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously. Microsoft wouldn't have had a networking stack without BSD code.

    3. Re:halcyon days? by Jahava · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seriously, you think the use of some BSD code is what made the difference?

      You do understand that their kernel, Darwin, uses XNU at its core, which is largely composed of the Mach Microkernel and BSD. Leveraging these mature projects spared Apple (NeXT, at the time) from having to design, develop, and debug a kernel from scratch.

      Yes, this is a hell of a leg-up.

    4. Re:halcyon days? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

      Particularly since these days, Apple is a consumer electronics company. Their big money is in their consumer gadgets, not in their computers. Don't get me wrong, they do fine in the computer market, but it is second fiddle to their MP3 players, phones and so on. You can see this from the way they've scaled things back, like cutting out their servers, paring down their LCD selection, and so on. They make money on their computers but it isn't the big push these days.

      Being a Mac user still does mean "belonging to the second team" at least when you are talking computers. Windows PCs are dominant. Hell, as I noted in another post, plenty of people run Windows on Mac hardware. If you own an iPod, you are in the majority, it is the dominant MP3 player. If you own a Mac Pro, you are in the minority, most people own a Windows PC. Nothing wrong with that, but don't play make believe with the figures.

    5. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I've learned anything in my decades in computing both as a professional and a hobbiest is that fanbois love to rewrite computing history.
       
      Apple has done well but there are way too many people out there who think that Apple is just going to come like a sweeping tide that is going to wash away anything Microsoft or Linux. The hippies believed the same thing about their niche culture in the 60s. Today they're the same sell outs that they use to rally against. This will be no different....
       
      Apple would gain market domination in about 25 years at their current rate. By that time the desktop will really be dead to anyone who's not a power user and the fighting between OS camps is going to look as advanced as the Hatfeilds versus the McCoys.

    6. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're referring to the purchase of ~$150 million worth of non-voting Apple stock, that was not MS propping up Apple. That was a settlement of the copyright infringement lawsuit that Apple had filed over the use of QuickTime code by Canyon, who later included that code in Video for Windows while under contract with MS.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Canyon_Company

      If Apple had needed propping up, that investment wouldn't have been sufficient anyways.

      As for the BSD code, that isn't the interesting or valuable part of OS X.

      Microsoft is obviously still a competitor of course (well more like coopetition)

    7. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So mac users fancy themselves as belonging to the winning team now?

      Steve Jobs has been replaced with Charlie Sheen.

    8. Re:halcyon days? by Reverberant · · Score: 2

      And how exactly were the days when Microsoft propped up Apple to prevent Microsoft from becoming a noticeable monopoly halcyon?

      "Propped up Apple"? More like "settled a lawsuit" that could have cost MS billions of dollars.

    9. Re:halcyon days? by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      And how exactly were the days when Microsoft propped up Apple to prevent Microsoft from becoming a noticeable monopoly halcyon?

      Apple's success or failure had no bearing on Microsoft's monopoly status. They didn't compete in the same market.

    10. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I especially love how, in order to prove that Apple beats windows in the PC market, he considers the iPad a PC. Give me a break--no physical keyboard=>not a PC, because it's just not up to long term input. The iPad is far closer to a phone than a PC--even Steve doesn't argue that you can live with just an iPad.

    11. Re:halcyon days? by Altus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I you really still believe that Microsoft " propped up" apple with a few million dollars when Apple had Billions in the bank then its really not worth listening to your opinion of what was going on 10 years ago. You clearly weren't paying very close attention.

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    12. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So mac users fancy themselves as belonging to the winning team now?

      Winning, Charlie Sheen style.

    13. Re:halcyon days? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      So mac users fancy themselves as belonging to the winning team now?

      Regardless of the popularity of the various OSs, we've always considered ourself part of the winning team.

    14. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how exactly were the days when Microsoft propped up Apple to prevent Microsoft from becoming a noticeable monopoly halcyon? Apple's fire almost died, and they had to make heavy use of BSD licensed (free, wee!) software to rekindle the embers.

      But rekindle them they did. If I'd nearly died and then had not only a "second chance" but went on to climb Everest single-handedly or some such achievement, I'd pretty much feel like I was winning. Apple have done the equivalent.

    15. Re:halcyon days? by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      As for the BSD code, that isn't the interesting or valuable part of OS X.

      I was under the impressions that without the BSD code, OS X would have been totally different. And most likely no where near as polished when was released at the time. It wold have most likely have looked good at release, but it would have come out at a later date. Months or year(s) later. As others have posted: Apple would have to write a kernel from scratch. Using BSD allowed them to skip that step.

    16. Re:halcyon days? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      No question Apple almost died. It was a very sick company when Steve Jobs came back and it took years to turn it around.

    17. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So mac users fancy themselves as belonging to the winning team now?

      We're number two! We're number two!

    18. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? Where did you hear that? Even back then Apple had a few billion in cash reserves up their sleeves. That small Microsoft stock purchase was part of a lawsuit settlement between them and Apple according to Apple CFO at the time, Fred Anderson. The details of that lawsuit have never come out (that I've seen), but around the time Microsoft was being accused of violating Quicktime-related patents and shortly afterewards the two companies worked out a patent cross licensing deal. The NeXT buyout happened well before the Microsoft deal so MacOS' BSD future had been decided well before that too.

    19. Re:halcyon days? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Apple makes more than a third of their revenue off of macs, from their report 2 quarters ago (haven't read the latest one)

      As far as being "on the second team", I'm not so sure about that anymore. Everywhere you look, you see macs. And I do not see them running windows, or even MS office much anymore.

      Take that into account with a 10+% market share, by sales, and the fact that macs last at least twice as long as PCs (and don't tell me about your 10 year old windows box in the back that still runs, mine was swapped to linux long ago) then the numbers may switch a lot more. There seems to be a large swell of people moving to macs. Apple has the mindshare. Apple is gaining market share. MS is losing market share, rapidly. IE is dropping to near 40%. They can't buy a search engine. Their new mobile OS barely got any publicity. Their MP3 player.... does anyone really own one anymore? The only thing that hasn't dropped precipitously is MS desktop share, and that may only be a year or two away. If people don't buy a mac, they may well buy a Ubuntu system. It's come a long way recently and is almost as easy to install as windows, which is a huge hurdle that needed to be overcome for adoption by the masses. Actually, Ubuntu's almost easier to install on recent hardware.

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    20. Re:halcyon days? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "Propped up Apple"? More like "settled a lawsuit" that could have cost MS billions of dollars.

      I read your link, and in it, it says that Microsoft threatened to stop developing Office for Mac. If they had done that, Apple would have died right then. Yes, I believe Office to have been THAT important at that time. Today there are workable alternatives. Then, there were not. Apple also took on IE as the default browser -- those were dark days. Yes, Microsoft propped up Apple. Microsoft got more than Apple did; Apple agreed to help spread the Microsoft monopoly and Microsoft got stock so if Apple actually didn't die they would profit from the whole affair.

      I think you have a reading comprehension problem. That, or you need a citation that actually says what you want to say, because that one doesn't.

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    21. Re:halcyon days? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      As you say, their OS OSX uses NeXTStep at its core, which was ALREADY largely composed of the Mach Microkernel and BSD. They didn't invent display PDF, they made it from Display postscript. They didn't, in fact, invent anything except maybe grand central. OSX is just the new versions of NeXTStep in the way that Windows Vista/7 are just new versions of NT.

      Using NeXTStep spared Apple from having to write their own OS. It goes way further than just the kernel.

      How they took an OS that was fairly snappy on a 68040@25MHz with a 5200 RPM narrow SCSI-FAST disk (10 MB/sec peak?) and made it into one that is a dog on a dual 2 GHz G5 (the last machine I ran OSX on) I'll never know.

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    22. Re:halcyon days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole "propping up Apple" thing was such a sham I couldn't even laugh. The amount of money Microsloth gave Apple was paltry and Apple had absolutely NO need of it. Sure, Apple had been bleeding money to the tune of about $200 million per year at the time...but they had well over $3 billion in cash reserves. Microsloth needed to make a show of not being a monopoly and Apple needed M$ to continue developing Office to maintain some footprint in the business world. It was a showpiece for both companies and nothing more...not sure why anybody sees it as anything else.

    23. Re:halcyon days? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      BSD/Mach was a large portion of the NeXTSTEP OS. Apple acquired the company and used NeXTSTEP as the base for OS X (which is why a large number of the APIs are NSSomethingOrOther).

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  5. "if you include tablets." by toppavak · · Score: 1

    'nuff said.

    1. Re:"if you include tablets." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mother was thinking about getting a laptop (she's always preferred desktops) but decided to get a tablet instead.

      If you're tracking sales and not commenting on how people use machines, laptops and tablets should be counted together since many people are facing a choice between one or the other. The story is about growth of sales.

    2. Re:"if you include tablets." by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Hopefully you did your duty as a child and heckled her for getting a far more expensive, far less functional device.

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    3. Re:"if you include tablets." by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Oh! Entertainment devices and phones! Are we counting VCRs and TiVOs now, too?

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  6. X has always meant 10... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

    Did anybody else spend a while trying to figure out that headline? For a minute I was wondering if they changed the name.

    1. Re:X has always meant 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How Mac OS X, X Today, changed Apple's World"

      FTFY

    2. Re:X has always meant 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Double fail...

      The first version released was Mac OS X Server 1.0 in 1999, and a desktop-oriented version, Mac OS X v10.0 "Cheetah" followed on March 24, 2001.
      So while v10 is 10 years old.. OS X is 12 :)

    3. Re:X has always meant 10... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      If the X in OS X means 10, why is the next version OS X version 10.7? Wouldn't it be OS X.VII?

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    4. Re:X has always meant 10... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Because the software publisher gets to choose their own versioning scheme?

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    5. Re:X has always meant 10... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      So it is Mac OS ten, ten point seven?

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    6. Re:X has always meant 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also remember "Cheetah" being a train-wreck that Apple had to personally apologize for, then offer a free upgrade to Mac OS X v10.1. This new operating system was released 6 months later.

      I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers that.

    7. Re:X has always meant 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it is the same 10 year old OS with a few more tweaks. So the 7th update to the 10th OS.

    8. Re:X has always meant 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      X has always meant 10th.
      That is, until Apple came along.
      Ordinal, cardinal, same thing, right?

    9. Re:X has always meant 10... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      X has always meant 10th.

      No.

    10. Re:X has always meant 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.6/en/8801.html

      So, yes, you are right according to what they want. The "X" in "Mac OS X" is the roman numeral ten and should it read out as "Mac O-S ten" according to Apple.

    11. Re:X has always meant 10... by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      Ridiculous as it sounds, yes.

      I've also heard that, if they ever get there, the next major overhaul will be OS X 11.0.

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    12. Re:X has always meant 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "MacOS" was replaced by "Mac OS X". That's the name of the OS. 10.7 is the release version. "Lion" is the code name. If it is the server version, they just add "Server" to the name.

      Compare that to Windows. NT 6.1 is marketed as Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2. Each of those is then sold in seven different versions, each of which has been artificially crippled in a different way.

      Now honestly, which one makes more sense? Apple's naming convention is a bit redundant, but it serves to differentiate between two completely separate OSes while also merging their release cycles. It simplifies a transition that could otherwise be confusing. Microsoft, as usual, is just a clusterfuck.

    13. Re:X has always meant 10... by Stratoukos · · Score: 1

      The X in OS X indeed means 10 (Wikipedia, Apple). The headline is about OS X becoming 10 years old today.

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    14. Re:X has always meant 10... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Yes, I figured that out, but it took me a few moments.

    15. Re:X has always meant 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and a desktop-oriented version, Mac OS X v10.0 "Cheetah" followed on March 24, 2001.
      So while v10 is 10 years old.. OS X is 12 :)

      So Apple made it to the penulitmate year of the 20th century with a multi-tasking server operating system but could not get a desktop one working until the 21st.
      And this "modern" OS must be rebooted when adding software updates which was always seen as "you are doing it wrong" when Microsoft's oses did that.

  7. One word makes a phrase now by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    One word is now a phrase.

    1. Re:One word makes a phrase now by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yep.

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    2. Re:One word makes a phrase now by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting phrase.

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    3. Re:One word makes a phrase now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Word.

    4. Re:One word makes a phrase now by EMeta · · Score: 1

      One word is now a phrase.

      I see you've spoken with people from the American South.

  8. Counting tablets as computers for sales purposes? by Shivetya · · Score: 2

    Well if anything the proper way would be to count iOS tablet sales separately from Mac OS X sales. Combining the two is not correct as they are not compatible. When I can seamlessly run apps between both then perhaps you can count them together.

    Figures don't lie but liars do figure.

    fwiw I own both an iPad and iMac. I don't consider Mac OS X dominant, I only switched when I could get a native version of MS Office

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  9. Was a wise move by Apple by mlts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nothing is perfect, but moving to OS X from the previous MacOS/System versions was a smart move for Apple, and was one of the reasons Apple is still around today.

    Before OS X, if a program did not hand control back go the OS via WaitNextEvent(), the Mac essentially need to be restarted. In fact, Macs became so unstable, people ended up just rebooting them every two hours just to be safe.

    It is an ironic contrast to these days where the only time Macs go down is a reboot to install a security patch, or a Safari update (why Safari patches require a reboot is beyond me, but that is Apple for you.)

    Apple did the right thing. People yelled at Apple to get an OS that did actual, preemptive multitasking for years. Multiuser security? You had to use a utility that would do tricks to create the illusion of multiple users, such as Kent Marsh's FileGuard, Empower, Casady & Greene's [1] AME, or another utility.

    Of course, there was the virus issue. OS 9 and previous did have a good number of viruses on the platform. OS X has not had a single one in the wild.

    All and all, OS X has withstood this decade quite well. No major breaches in the wild (except for Trojans like the one bundled with a pirated version of iWork '09). No OS is completely secure (and it often was the first to fall in hacking contests), but it has proven to have a well deserved security reputation in the real world.

    Is there room for improvement? Yes. OS X needs a modern filesystem to compete with ZFS, btrfs, and possible changed to NTFS. OS X also needs full disk encryption and not just FileVault. Hopefully Apple will address these, preferably before they run out of big cat names for OS versions.

    [1]: Yep, the same Casady & Greene who made the software that was renamed into iTunes.

    1. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by TheoCryst · · Score: 3, Informative

      No file system upgrades yet, but Lion (v10.7) will ship with full-disk FileVault.

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    2. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean dumping that bloody awful shit they used to call an OS, for UNIX with a dumbed down GUI. Except this version of UNIX won't boot if a drive fails, even if the drive has no OS or applications on it. EFI BIOS here.

    3. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Re: full disk encryption

      That is what FileVault is under 10.7. Also, apparently Apple was very close to using ZFS in 10.6, but couldn't come to licensing terms with Sun, so they scrapped it. There is still a project to maintain it out there using the development efforts for ZFS on BSD, but it's hardly supported by Apple.

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    4. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by mlts · · Score: 1

      I am glad Apple is getting sense and putting FDE in their OS. This has been a hurdle to get Macs adopted by IT departments, unless one makes sure that the Mac is bundled with PGP's WDE.

      In the business sector, an OS on a portable machine without a well implemented FDE is a disaster waiting to happen.

    5. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 0

      EFI != OSX

      At least they dumped their bloody awful shit, that's more than MS can say.

    6. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by willy_me · · Score: 2

      Apple was very close to using ZFS in 10.6, but couldn't come to licensing terms with Sun, so they scrapped it.

      Licensing might have played a part, but ZFS is simply a poor file system for a consumer operating system. A consumer operating system must have first class support for removable media, something ZFS lacks. The vast majority of customers run a computer with a single drive and would gain very little from the overhead imposed by ZFS. Simply put, it is not worth it for most people.

      Now there are lots of areas where ZFS would have been excellent but considering that Apple just killed their line of servers, the benefits of ZFS to Apple would have been minimal. If Apple really wanted ZFS they would have gotten it.

    7. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by onefriedrice · · Score: 2

      In my experience, Mac OS was an example of a cooperative-multitasking OS done right (or at least as good as it could be). By contrast, the Windows of the day certainly crashed more often than I had to reboot my Mac OS machine. But in those days, operating systems simply crashed more than they do now. It depended a lot on what programs you ran.

      Anyway, I wonder how successful Apple would have been had they bought Be instead of NeXT. They've certainly done well on the route they took, but BeOS seemed to have a lot to offer, too.

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    8. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by bigjocker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OSX is what Linux wants to be when it grows up.

      Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, I use it since 95, and I wouldn't install anything different to a server. But right now Linux interface (yes, Gnome, I'm talking about you) feels so old it's frustrating. And don't get me started about the beautiful-but-hiper-unstable KDE ... If KDE's stylists wold support Gnome's good but aesthetically blind developers, we may be on to something.

      But right now Linux feels stuck on FVWM95, while OSX provides a CLI just as powerful (MacPorts rule, BTW) and a consistent-yet-usable-yet-nice-looking GUI.

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    9. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by michael_cain · · Score: 2

      It is an ironic contrast to these days where the only time Macs go down is a reboot to install a security patch...

      From time to time, my Intel-based Mini "loses" USB peripherals. Unplugging and replugging them doesn't work, but after rebooting, there they are. If I unplug and replug them enough once they've been lost, the whole machine locks up. The problem has gotten better over time, presumably due to improved releases of the OS X USB code.

    10. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I used Macs (as a developer and for running my business) since 1984, and never had a virus, nor ever felt a need for precautionary reboots -- let alone every two hours! Yes, you could render your Mac unstable by installing boatloads of sketchy cruft, but I don't think that the picture you paint of the classic Mac experience is anywhere near typical.

    11. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by GrahamCox · · Score: 2

      Before OS X, if a program did not hand control back go the OS via WaitNextEvent(), the Mac essentially need to be restarted. In fact, Macs became so unstable, people ended up just rebooting them every two hours just to be safe.

      While OSX was a vast improvement, you exaggerate. The classic Mac OS was never that bad, and as one Apple developer once wrote, "A well-written app should run for hours if not days without being restarted". Even in 1992 that was taken to be a very tongue-in-cheek remark.

      The supposed "clamour" for features such as pre-emptive multi-tasking, protected memory and so forth came from developers, not users. As a developer myself this was a huge relief to finally have, but for users, it was "meh". I found it near to impossible to explain to non-technical users the actual benefits of these things.

      For the first few versions of OS X, most users used to the old Mac OS had plenty to complain about in terms of UI usability and quality of fit and finish. I think much of that has been addressed, but not all - it's just that current users have now either forgotten the smoothness of the old UI or else were never familiar with it.

    12. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by drsmithy · · Score: 2

      A consumer operating system must have first class support for removable media, something ZFS lacks.

      This doesn't really make sense. There's no reason an OS must use the same filesystem on fixed and removable media.

      The vast majority of customers run a computer with a single drive and would gain very little from the overhead imposed by ZFS. Simply put, it is not worth it for most people.

      Some glaringly obvious places ZFS benefits every kind of user:

      * Snapshotting
      * SSDs for caching (vastly more effective than the user manually splitting data between an SSD and regular drive)
      * Compression and encryption
      * Deduplication
      * Copy-on-write

    13. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This doesn't really make sense. There's no reason an OS must use the same filesystem on fixed and removable

      What about external hard drives?

    14. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. apple wanted zfs, but there was an ongoing patent lawsuit between Sun and NetApp which claimed they had patents on copy-on-write. they had to scrub zfs due to this 2. there is nothing preventing you from mounting another filesystem on zfs, including removable media. 3. snapshots is a feature most consumers would appreciate. and increased data safety is something everyone can use, regardless if they're conscious of it or not.

    15. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by turing_m · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of customers run a computer with a single drive and would gain very little from the overhead imposed by ZFS. Simply put, it is not worth it for most people.

      Potentially shortsighted though. Look at how many other server technologies have filtered down to the desktop - multiple CPUs, user accounts, even Network Attached Storage is actually running a server of sorts in your house. With the ever decreasing cost of storage, both spinning disk and SSD, minimizing or eliminating the loss or corruption of files has potential to become a selling point.

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    16. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BeOS seemed to have a lot to offer, too

      .. but no Steve Jobs

    17. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by jbolden · · Score: 1

      mount works just open up a terminal. You are still on a Unix.

    18. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you taken it in for service? I'd put 20 bucks on it being caused by a bad system board. We support HP and Dell machines at work and I see this about once a month in a building of about 8000 people.

    19. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "OS 9 and previous did have a good number of viruses on the platform. OS X has not had a single one in the wild."

      -But how can that be... That means OS9 had at least a 25% market share or better since most idiots still claim its only due to low market share that OSX is not riddled with viruses. Which clearly means Apple lost tons of market share when thy switched from OS9 to OSX, and all the hackers got sad faces and moved on to more market shared OS'es.

      Every time I hear someone claim its all because of low market share, it makes me want to spit blood.

    20. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by yuhong · · Score: 1

      (why Safari patches require a reboot is beyond me, but that is Apple for you.)

      Same reason why IE upgrades on Windows used to require a reboot.

    21. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by zigfreed · · Score: 1

      OSX is what Linux wants to be when it grows up.

      OS X is what Linux on the desktop would look like. Developers using common libraries, accessing common APIs, extending the features of the UI to prevent odd workflow behavior, scripting to automate repetitive tasks, and a command line that allows tuning.

      I used Linux for about 2 years before OS X released. From a desktop non-hardcore-user perspective, very little has changed for OS X, they still have many more similarities to NeXT/OpenSTEP spec than OS 9. The Linux desktop (and very much Solaris desktop, since they developed together) has gone from Gnome 1.4 (which had many CDE & RISCOS-like behaviors) to Gnome 3 & Ubuntu Unity which use (proven) ideas from the OLPC project. And you can't ignore XFCE (which uses GTK), LxDE, WindowMaker, and Enlightenment on a refrigerator , which show that these all are practical ways to administrate a Linux computer. Mac OS X doesn't have the ability to do that because it decided where desktop computing ends and server administration begins.

    22. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Had the same problem with a Mini...see if you can put it to sleep instead of rebooting.

    23. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer the simplicity of Gnome. I don't need everything buried 20 menu's deep like it is in Windows. I can't speak for the Mac since I haven't really used one on a daily basis. Ubuntu 10.10 has a really great look and feel IMOHO.

    24. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      10.7v lions? Where can I get those batteries? They must be huge...

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    25. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The low market share is a fallacious argument:

      1: If Macs had as much malware as Windows, but scaled down to what their market share is, people would be screaming at Apple left and right for security. However, it is very rare to find a compromised Mac. Last one I ever encountered was due to someone getting malware due to a pirated version of iWork '09.

      2: Compare Apache bugs versus IIS, and then compare marketshare.

      By this measure (there are many others), Macs are VERY secure. Not 100% secure, but when comparing Apples to apples, far less malware haunts the platform as Windows.

    26. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by KonoWatakushi · · Score: 1

      External hard drives would also be well served by ZFS, though earlier versions didn't deal well with (very commonly) broken USB bridges. One of the primary Apple engineers was convinced that there was no solution, and I wonder if this isn't part of the reason that Apple gave up on ZFS.

      Of course, the fix was obvious to anyone familiar with the fundamentals of ZFS--it just wasn't a high priority. Sun did not ship such badly broken hardware, and most people running ZFS know better than to use it. Only on the mac are you really stuck using USB as a disk interface.

    27. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      But right now Linux interface (yes, Gnome, I'm talking about you) feels so old it's frustrating.

      Honestly, it reminds me of OS/2 PM in a lot of ways.

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    28. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by mbkennel · · Score: 2

      The truth of the matter is that NeXT---not Apple---solved the problem of Unix on the desktop by 1989.

      Really.

    29. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Anyway, I wonder how successful Apple would have been had they bought Be instead of NeXT. They've certainly done well on the route they took, but BeOS seemed to have a lot to offer, too.

      BeOS CEO Jean-Louis Gassée wanted more for the company than Apple was willing to pay. Myself, I wonder what would have happened if Apple bought AmigaOS.

      Falcon

    30. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      From time to time, my Intel-based Mini "loses" USB peripherals.

      Not the same as yours but I've been having trouble with USB devices connected to my MacBook Pro. When I boot it up it can take 5 -10 minutes for my external drives to show up on my desktop and in Finder. And I turn them on before I boot up.

      Falcon

    31. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you please explain to me why OSX just doesn't have viruses in the wild? People have told me it's because it isn't used as often as Windows, and therefore a less important target, but that doesn't seem to make sense. How is OSX better protected against this sort of thing?

    32. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by grouchomarxist · · Score: 2

      One of the common comments made about BeOS is that they didn't even have printing working at the time. The point is not that they were missing a particular feature, but that they were immature and probably missing a lot of the features needed for a consumer OS. On the other hand NeXT had already shipped several generations their OS and had been in the hands of a good number of end users.

      Another important point is that NeXT is based on BSD Unix, while BeOS was a whole new operating system. Although BeOS offered POSIX compatibility NeXT is real Unix and has a greater level of compatibility with Unix software.

      I think adopting BeOS would have made Apple's next generation OS offering much less appealing.

      Note that there was a technical committee at Apple that was in charge of evaluating which OS to adopt next. Everyone except one person chose NeXT, the one exception chose Solaris. No one chose BeOS.

      Of course, as another commenter mentioned, with NeXT came the return of Steve Jobs. He's probably the real reason for Apple's current success.

    33. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parts that Apple themselves wrote in the original Mac OS were superior to what they themselves wrote in OS X. Anything good about OS X was leeched from the open source community.

    34. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there was a time with System 7.5 that really sucked. Every second hour is not unbelievable in some instances. But 7.6 fixed most of that. It was then it became MacOS and not just System.

    35. Re:Was a wise move by Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and it was replaced by 8 which was dreadful ( multi tasker calculated 2 X 8192 as 6384 leading to crashes) and was released under Jobs watch July 26 1997 (so much for his wanting quality) it quickly went to 8.5 and then replaced on October 23 1999 by System 9 (not that they had made it but it meant full retail price being charged and we all know how greedy Appple are!)

  10. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be perfectly happy letting MS count their tablet PCs as part of their sales. They probably do. However, you can't deny that Apple beat Microsoft when they introduced, the iPod, iPhone and iPad. Microsoft Windows is a desktop OS. They can't imagine it being anything else. That's what Microsoft really suffers from. Lack of imagination.

  11. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    I only switched when I could get a native version of MS Office

    1989, back before it was out for Windows even? Or did you mean MS Office X from 2001?

    And the two are compatible. They're just not the same. I can share files back and forth between them just fine, but I wouldn't claim that they are running the same OS, even though they share their OS roots.

  12. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't run Mac apps on Windows. Therefore Apple has 100% market share.

    QED

  13. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

    So Windows NT for Alpha doesn't count as Windows either?

  14. Too early, 10.0 sucked by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

    I lived it, no one got really excited till about 10.2 - that was when OSX started feeling actually usable, also with 10.2 was SMB support (well, almost bug-free support, had to wait till 10.3 or something for well functioning SMB) which made the switch more compelling. Though at that point there were still lots of OS9 only apps out here (Adobe and Quark were two of the last to switch, mainly because of all the work 10 needed.) So, 10 years ago, Apple showed off something shiny, it wasn't a big thing till a couple years later.

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    1. Re:Too early, 10.0 sucked by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I remember people using it to run linux apps like perl and shell scripting. It was like the macOS app support were bolted on. In other words it was a unix nerd OS that could run DVDs and look pretty. It was slow as hell and lacked many features of MacOS. Some folks still claim MacOS still had more. I wanted one badly because FreeBSD/Linux were not ready for a real desktop and the enlightenment and other window managers were just hacks.

      Faster powerpcs helped too. Now a more modern MacOSX could run on the older imacs much faster surprisingly

      Steve Jobs wanted a competitor to Windows NT and it showed. MacOS was more like a better Windows 3.1 with multimedia capabilities of Windows95. Just like Windows NT it was slow, had no apps, not very good practically rather than theoretically for the first few years.

    2. Re:Too early, 10.0 sucked by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Agreed -- I jumped from OS 9 to 10.2 because 10.0 and 10.1 brought nothing useful to the table for me (broke my apps, my drivers, were buggy, and didn't have enough APIs nailed down to ensure anything *I* wrote for them wouldn't break in the next version upgrade).

  15. Apple's World? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

    It didn't just change Apple's world, it changed the whole world. We were on our way to a one-OS world (from a consumer desktop point of view) when OSX stepped up and brought UNIX to the masses. Linux wasn't going to do it (and still hasn't, numbers-wise) so personally I'm glad Apple gave the world a choice, not to mention a place where remote exploits simply don't exist.

    Thanks Apple :)

    1. Re:Apple's World? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "...a place where remote exploits simply don't exist."

      Wow. Where is the -1 Delusional mod? Check out www.macexploit.com for a list of Mac OS X remote exploits that do exist.

    2. Re:Apple's World? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      There are exploits, but none that can be applied remotely to a default OSX install sitting on the internet. If you believe this to be incorrect, please point out which exploit you mean.

    3. Re:Apple's World? by Quixotico · · Score: 1

      Just -1? Cripes alive...
      "We were on our way to a one-OS world (from a consumer desktop point of view)"
      Perhaps from only the ignorant consumer's point of view.

      "OSX stepped up and brought UNIX to the masses."
      Or charged for large portions of NeXTSTEP and FreeBSD amid a market of other Unix-like OSes. Fact is, without the Cult of Apple behind it, OS X would have been just another OS the average, ignorant consumer never heard of.

      "I'm glad Apple gave the world a choice"
      Their walled garden is oh so pretty.

    4. Re:Apple's World? by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      The PWN to OWN contests. Usually apple hardware is taken down first.

    5. Re:Apple's World? by Graff · · Score: 1

      The PWN to OWN contests. Usually apple hardware is taken down first.

      That's totally true, especially since they were the first on the schedule to be attacked...

    6. Re:Apple's World? by sootman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, maybe he's an engineer. Comparing the 55 exploits in the list you linked to--which go back SEVEN YEARS (last entry: June 2010)--to the nearly uncountable number of exploits against Windows is effectively "nonexistent." (Note: Vista and 7 have been doing very well. But DAMN that was a long, painful stretch we had to endure under XP.)

      Is Mac OS X perfect? No. BUT: Has there ever been a widespread virus for it? No. Has there ever been a self-replicating, self-spreading virus in the wild for it? No. Have drive-by downloads ever been a problem? No.

      A few years ago, my teenaged son turned a Windows box from a smoothly-running specimen into an unbootable heap of molten slag (note: exaggerating, but not by much) in a single afternoon of unsupervised web surfing. I switched my wife (it was her computer) and, eventually, him, to a Mac mini, and have not had a problem since.

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    7. Re:Apple's World? by sootman · · Score: 1

      Not one of which was REMOTE, as the parent specified. Try again.

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    8. Re:Apple's World? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      Sibling gets it. pwn2own used a combination of a Safai exploit and social engineering, not a remote exploit.

    9. Re:Apple's World? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      PS mods: might want to rethink that +Insightful ;)

    10. Re:Apple's World? by makomk · · Score: 1

      They were remote exploits. They were carried out over the network by an attacker without prior access to the system. True, they required the user to visit a website, but by the definition used by the security community that still makes them remote exploits.

      Besides, since Microsoft added a firewall by default in Windows XP SP2, pretty much all Windows exploits have been the same: you need to visit a malicious website or take some other action to be exploited. It hasn't been possible for up-to-date Windows machines to be hacked just by being connected to the internet for a long time.

    11. Re:Apple's World? by sootman · · Score: 1

      > They were remote exploits... they required the user to visit a website, but by the
      > definition used by the security community that still makes them remote exploits.

      Really? I have never once heard the term "remote exploit" mean "a user sits at the computer and does something."

      "Remote", they way I've always heard it, means "plug a computer in, turn it, on, walk away, come back, and it's been rooted." If you have to get the user to open a malicious email or visit a malicious web page it is not a remote exploit.

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  16. WAS??? The MAC is still a SF/NYC Nitch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a SF Crack(MAC) head out of the of the Mac user bubble SF is and drop him/her in to any other city (except NYC) and he will be hard pressed to walk into a StarButs or any other coffee shop and find more then 1 Mac among 10 people with a laptop.

    Have a look at some statistics: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

    1. Re:WAS??? The MAC is still a SF/NYC Nitch! by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      You must not spend much time at "StarButs". It's rare to walk into one anywhere in the world and not find a MacBook. The one I'm sitting in now in Washington DC has 5 in sight.

    2. Re:WAS??? The MAC is still a SF/NYC Nitch! by mla_anderson · · Score: 1

      Yesterday I was at a meeting for engineers in a small city in the mid west. Half the laptops in the room were Macs, and no they don't develop for Mac, only Windows and embedded Linux.

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    3. Re:WAS??? The MAC is still a SF/NYC Nitch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reporting from Tampa here, and I assure you that isn't true. Tons of Macs here.

      When I go to developer meetups, conferences, Barcamp, etc, Mac laptops are the majority (even when Microsoft is presenting!), but granted Mac usage is pretty common among developers and they can generally afford them.

  17. Not only that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    But a lot of Mac's growth has been due to Windows running on it. We see that on campus all the time. People want a Mac for whatever reason. However they need software that is Windows only (this is particularly common in Engineering, where I work) or they are a gamer and want to play games that aren't on the Mac (see that with students a lot). Previously that might have turned them off from a Mac. However now they get one and then get Windows for it and maybe Fusion or Parallels. Our bookstore does a ton of business in Windows licenses and VMs.

    So sure, more people are using Macs and OS-X but often it is in addition to, not at the expense of, Windows. Fine for Apple, they make money on hardware, but also fine for MS, they make money on software. MS doesn't care what you run Windows on, just that you run Windows.

    1. Re:Not only that by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You touch on a good point. The dominance of Windows was tough to beat. MacOS X changed much of that, as did Linux. If you're a civilian, you just want to get work done. For a long time, Windows dominated for many reasons, some of them illegal competition. MacOS put more non-Windows machines in peoples hands than Linux did. Eventually, Ubuntu and some other distros could be used by civilians. Fine.

      MacOS X gave Windows the competition that OS/2 couldn't and Linux (at the time) couldn't in the general market place. SunOS/Solaris couldn't do it. Apple actually innovated, rather than relying on a lot of hardware partners to do this. They were consistent, where Microsoft's architectural compromises cased huge incompatibility issues and security nightmares until they were resolved.

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    2. Re:Not only that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take exception to being referred to as a civilian, I'm a citizen.

    3. Re:Not only that by judeancodersfront · · Score: 0

      Linux has only given competition to desktop Windows on netbooks. Linux has been a paper tiger on the desktop and I'm sick of all the defenses and excuses for it. Maybe it needs to die and then be reborn as Android.

    4. Re:Not only that by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      It's not huge competition in terms of statistical quantity. Yet distos like Ubuntu had done a very good job. Given the pain and suffering of Windows XP-7, I believe Linux is progressing-- not statistically-- but rather in terms of quality, variety of applications, and lifecycle ownership costs.

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    5. Re:Not only that by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      No, you are a consumer. You are only a citizen when it pleases our corporate overlords.

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    6. Re:Not only that by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      ... where Microsoft's architectural compromises cased huge incompatibility issues and security nightmares until they were resolved.

      They've been resolved? Somebody better start the presses rolling. Last time I checked (Server 2008 R2) you could still inject your code into a system level DLL and run as root, regardless of your privileges.

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    7. Re:Not only that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Civilian" isn't the opposite of "citizen," it's the opposite of "soldier."

      Put down the Heinlein and join us on planet Earth.

    8. Re:Not only that by initialE · · Score: 1

      What you are listing is exactly the kind of environment that will cause developers to start porting their apps to run natively on Macs.

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    9. Re:Not only that by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      I vaguely remember that netbooks originally bundled Linux to meet to their $99 pricepoint (completely ignored beyond the African markets OLPC catered to in 2006 or so.) IIRC, XP took the lead because Vista was too bloated on ANY hardware of the times.

      XP started to displace Linux as mainstream users demanded features, and Windows Seven became an instant king of netbooks at launch. That meant cries of joy at Microsoft for moving away from cheap OS licenses AND threw out to the Seven masses their Vista business practice of using the nonsense of 'Starter' editions that geek users must now migrate to 'Premium' for an extra $100 dollars. Vista's old Basic-to-Premium was short-lived because of vendor resistance, but netbooks on basic are doing just fine ~17 months later. But I digress.

      I saw few linux netbooks in the wild or even store shelves even 24 months ago. Even the largest stores in this large US city have zero to one Linux model on display today. To normal end users who want them, it's *harder* than even finding PC133 RAM. Therefore it's hard to consider Linux competition when it's a low-profit item that nearly nobody wants to sells you, IMO. Unlike Linux-on-desktop/netbook, Apple's has never-waning iOS and Unix-like sales that some businesses procure exclusively, and financial business analysts aren't ignoring.

    10. Re:Not only that by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Oops. I meant some of the big problems, like user=root.

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    11. Re:Not only that by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You sound like one of those wanky actors who call non-luvvies "civilians" too, as if getting in front of a camera and pretending to be someone interesting was on a par with having your legs perforated off by a burst of heavy machine gun fire then getting up and destroying a machine gun nest with your bare hands and teeth..

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    12. Re:Not only that by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Not like that at all. I started back when this whole thing was called "data processing". IBM made you genuflect in front of your Systems 36... or you were made a priest of the VAX.... or you were one of those turncoats that used those damned 6502s, 8080s, and something called a paper-tape load to program your "personal" computer.

      Civilians are end-users. They're not programmers, and shouldn't be. If you can write even a basic DOS batch file, you join the ranks of the self-served. It gets better from there, until you're a master of a language. Then you get journeyman papers and do something fun and/or useful.

      The moniker has nothing to do with movies, Rambo, or DADT.

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    13. Re:Not only that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see people running Windows on Apple hardware, and I do it myself on occasion, but the people I've talked to about it don't do so by choice, but rather necessity.

      All things being equal (meaning all software applications available on both platforms), I think you wouldn't see Windows running on a Mac too often.

    14. Re:Not only that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You touch on a good point. For a long time, Windows dominated for many reasons, some of them illegal competition. MacOS X gave Windows the competition that OS/2 couldn't and Linux (at the time) couldn't in the general market place. Apple actually innovated,When? rather than relying on a lot of hardware partners to do this. They were consistently changing their focus leading to great incompatabilities, where Microsoft's architectural compromises cased huge incompatibility issues and security nightmares until they were resolved.

      Windows worked for people in the real world who wanted to do real work and get things done. One of the reasons for failing was that OS/2 had only one thread for inputting into any window so that Windows scored by making it easier to switch windows by having multiple threads for inputting. A fault Microsoft noticed with the original OS/2 which they put right which IBM could not or did not. Windows then got around to implementing pre-emptive multi-tasking but Apple could not be bothered to have that actually innovated

    15. Re:Not only that by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      OS/2 failed for many reasons, most of them because it was largely proprietary to IBM hardware, but also because IBM's business methodology was obtuse in a populist era.

      The whole Ring 0 BS that Microsoft foisted was a lot of FUD. Task-switching was something that Apple did, too, along with a consistent GUI and drivers that worked-- albeit on their own, proprietary hardware. Apple innovated a bit by taking NeXtStep and porting it as OSX; they leapfrogged many of the design deficiencies and architectural problems in the merged kernel species that was Windows 2000. ..."actually innovated"? You're a fanboi, for reasons unknown. I'm an advocate of the people that have to make this stuff work.

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  18. People misunderstanding the "was competitor" part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What it means was that this was before Apple (at least publicly) and fans realised Microsoft didn't have to lose for Apple to "win".

    Apple consolidated to the high profit niche Market where Microsoft were not very comprtitive and they could turn great profits without being a market leader. Obviously they later became a competitor again in the mobile and personal entertainment Market.

  19. Thriving because of Technological Leapfrogging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. Ten years ago the Mac OS was a dying niche. Now it's a thriving niche.

    ...plus hearty doses of business gumption, risk, and a tentative knowledge of Mac user's [tested] loyalty and expectations.

    As a former engineer from Rhapsody days, with code still somewhere in there, I think the process was superbly well-orchestrated. It's really nothing short of extraordinary, when considering the fate

    Although it's hard/easy to balance the pro-Apple mantra with objective sanity, as I write this on a stable, responsive, cheap PC, one thing is certain:

    MacOS X is an awesome concurrence of UI and System Architecture design.

    I still nip at their ankles via email, however.

    1. Re:Thriving because of Technological Leapfrogging by abigor · · Score: 1

      It would be cool to hear more about those days, what it was like, how certain decisions were made (Mach kernel, for example), etc.

    2. Re:Thriving because of Technological Leapfrogging by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Pink. Taligent. OpenDoc. Copeland.

      Guess it's a good thing NeXTSTEP was acquired, or Apple would NEVER have developed a new OS.

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    3. Re:Thriving because of Technological Leapfrogging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean, it's a good thing NeXT acquired Apple, or NeXTSTEP would have died off!

  20. "Some might argue X. They're wrong." by petteyg359 · · Score: 0

    Reality doesn't argue, and it is never wrong.

    1. Re:"Some might argue X. They're wrong." by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      Oh, yes. Reality. I assume you mean "your" reality in this instance?

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    2. Re:"Some might argue X. They're wrong." by petteyg359 · · Score: 0

      Whose reality are we talking about, again? The one in the article that chooses to artificially inflate the Apple numbers by including non-"PC" devices while ignoring non-"PC" devices that use Windows, or the real reality?

    3. Re:"Some might argue X. They're wrong." by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      "...or the real reality?"

      I guess now we're talking about your reality.

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  21. There's a lesson here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO:

    I think most of us, dumped from a familiar environment, would enter a deep depression phase, change work area, emigrate, resort to drinking or other forms of alienation (because "reality sucks").

    Steve Jobs, not so. Many may consider him an old fox, a smart business guy, a visionary, but when the guy was down, he used open tech to go ahead and restart with Next. Eventually -- I don't know if by chance or by plan -- he was ready and equipped to take Apple back.

    This is the beauty of freedom and being resourceful: it's an ace up one's sleeve. People, unemployed or not, should think about what will mean to know *BSD or Linux in their hour of need.

    Apple (and Jobs himself) should stop for a moment and reflect on the tools that made their strategies possible. A little more acceptance, for instance, for the GPL would be nice to keep the software biosphere healthy.

    IMHO.

  22. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Dahamma · · Score: 1

    I don't think the big issue is "compatible"... the big issue is that iOS devices aren't *open*. IMO it's a joke to call a device like that a home computer when you can only run programs on it that Apple allows, along with requiring an account on their online store and tracking your download and installation.

    Plus, there is basically NO difference between an iPod Touch/iPhone and an iPad besides the size of the screen (and that some people use a little known bonus feature of the iPhone to make calls...) And they all support video out to a monitor/TV as well as a bluetooth keyboard, so there really isn't much in the way of hardware differences from a low-end PC, either. The defining difference is in who gets control over the use of that hardware - and in that case the iPad is really just a big smartphone...

    [and before anyone whines about Apple haters - I have an iPhone and iPad, and they are great. They just aren't home computers...]

  23. apple should of used AMD as well as intel by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    as the old 32bit Intel macs may be cut from os 10.7 and some of the first intel mac's had crap video.

    also the old G5 had more pci-e lanes then the new mac pro (amd systems had more as well)

    Now apple needs to look at opening mac os to more hardware or at least a DESKTOP at the imac power with out a build in screen or offer a imac with a mate screen.

    1. Re:apple should of used AMD as well as intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by "mate screen"?

    2. Re:apple should of used AMD as well as intel by narcc · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by "mate screen"?

      Let's just say that he *really* loves Apple.

  24. reign of the PK by epine · · Score: 2

    Market Cap (as of this post)

    Microsoft 317 Bil
    Chair Man -100 Bil
    Apple 168 Bil
    Turtleneck 150 Bil

    There, fixed that for ya.

    Love the way the editor counts any kind of spendy gadget as a PC. I think he was counting PKs: personal kiosks. Easy mistake to make when you conduct census by credit card.

    Apple has always been the King of Lilliput. I've seen many expensive Apple computers boat-anchored over the years out of Lilliput envy: no room for expansion here. Apple needed weeny and white the same way Schindler needed war and women.

    Ultimately for Apple, the walled garden is a growth-limiting move: by definition, the average person can't be cool. In their hermetic design philosophy, they should be careful what they wish for. Please god, make my prayers come true, but not until they finish clang/llvm C++0x.

    Gulliver is dead. Long live the gullible.

    1. Re:reign of the PK by Version6 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I'm missing the "point" of your post, but the current values (market close 3/24/2011) for Microsoft and Apple are:

      Microsoft 217 (not 317) billion

      Apple 318 (not 168) billion

      I believe that only Exxon (410 billion) has a larger market cap than Apple.

    2. Re:reign of the PK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Can't Count

    3. Re:reign of the PK by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      He was saying that Microsoft is really worth 317B, but Ballmer is -100B, and apple only 168B, but +150B for the turtleneck.

      Yeah I know. I can't stop laughing either.

  25. AND YET! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical of apple's mentality they missed a HUGE opportunity by keeping it for themselves

    back when public beta came out was still also the days of a aging windows 98, a hated windows ME, and a mostly incompatible at that time 2000, this was one of the peaks of MS hate and OSX was just a totally different and new beast a lot of people were interested in.

    I have felt since that day, if they had released a wintel PC version then they would probably be the top dog of the pc world well before now

    1. Re:AND YET! by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Then why wasn't OpenStep successful? Steve Jobs tried that approach.

      As far as generic hardware support, they could never have gotten the drivers to work. Microsoft spends a fortune (multiple billions per year) to support buggy hardware as well as they do and that's with full vendor support. Supporting generic hardware is really really hard. Windows users have outrageous expectations due to Microsoft.

  26. worst summary (yet) today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subby, take a class in writing cohesive summaries. The last two sentences are a complete tangent. A tangent is also a straight line that touches a curve at a given point.

  27. OS X beat Linux by judeancodersfront · · Score: 0

    That is the bitter truth that needs to be swallowed. Apple has had greater success with OS X even though Linux is free.

    I realize this is Slashdot but I think it is time that the Linux defenders gave it a break for a while. Let the Linux critics have their say. When it comes to the desktop Linux is stuck on stupid.

    1. Re:OS X beat Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, Troll

    2. Re:OS X beat Linux by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      You screech that as if it's going to make some difference. However, anyone that uses Linux long ago had to make piece with the fact that it was MS-DOS that won the OS wars.

      Apple has it's own stores and Super Bowl commercials.

      Although despite of all of that, it's still just only just partially regained lost ground.

      MS-DOS nearly buried it before when the gap between Apple and Microsoft was far greater.

      At the end of the day, you are still a dwarf calling a midget shorty.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  28. OS X Server 1.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technically OS X is 11 years old, since Mac OS X Server 1.0 was released on March 16, 1999.

  29. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow.... Windows was a competitor?

    I'm glad CWmike sourced that with an article predicting that iPad (iPad != OSX) sales will exceed 20% of the market this year.

    Typical apple fanboi.

  30. Microsoft is not the competition by Andtalath · · Score: 1

    It hasn't been for a while.
    Apple is a parallel solution and will most probably continue to be so in a long, long time.

    The thing is, buying a complete solution has it's uses, custom-building has other uses.

    Apple is moving more and more toward complete solutions, not towards customizability.

    It's not that windows is irrelevant, it's not even that it's less powerful or anything like that.
    It's just that it's plain and simply not a threat to Apple, at all, they don't compete in the same markets at all.

    Dell is a competitor, as is HP, google is one as well.
    Microsoft however, is not.

  31. A poll by antdude · · Score: 1

    Almost two weeks ago, I asked my web site visitors to see if they think Apple iPads were computers. Most of them think so: http://aqfl.net/node/8867 (still open). :(

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  32. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    I agree with all of this... until you jailbreak. At that point you don't have Apple's benevolent blessing anymore, but the device becomes inordinately more useful. I've got the same BSD-level stuff on my iOS devices that I have on my OS X devices... I even have X installed :)

    Personally, I think that alongside Cydia, someone needs to make an iOSPorts.org similar to macports.

    After all, the CPU in an iPad is closer to the original Motorola MC68000 than the x86 chip in modern Macs, and the CPU power and screen resolution is significantly improved on the iPad over the Macintosh 128k (or Plus, SE/30, Color Classic II for that matter).

  33. And /. was busy covering Windows when OS X arrived by crankyspice · · Score: 2

    Windows was still a competitor, and Google was still a search engine.

    And Slashdot didn't even cover the release of OS X. Seriously. I did a search http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aslashdot.org+2001+OS+X and all I could find was this: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11275&cid=341886! On the other hand, we see a lot less Windows marketing content on /. these days ... http://slashdot.org/story/01/03/28/152227/Windows-Marketing-Executive-Doug-Miller

    Around the same time OS X 10.0 was being officially released, Windows XP SP2 was being reviewed... http://slashdot.org/story/01/03/26/002246/CNET-Reviews-Windows-XP-Beta-2

    Back in those days I was a Linux user (I still am, I suppose, in that I have a VPS running a few websites, email services, etc., for me, CentOS based) and working as a "UNIX Administrator" running Dell PowerEdge / RedHat 6.2, and Sun UltraXXX / Solaris 8 boxen for a living. Now I'm an attorney, and it's all Mac, all the way, though I still have three Terminal.app windows open... I remember seeing one of the very first PowerBook G4 Ti machines running a developer's release of OS X; our "Advanced Platform Group" guys (who basically had an unlimited budget to buy / play with all the newest toys -- March 2001 was still in the midst of the dot-com bubble) had all the cool tech. I fell in love that day, though with law school and ExamSoft requirements, it was a while before I could go back to Mac full time...

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  34. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Dahamma · · Score: 1

    True - but let's not reward Apple for this with inflated market share numbers, given that they say it voids your warranty, consider it illegal and pulled out the DMCA card to try to stop it.

    As far as 680x0 Macs - I'm pretty sure the iPad 2 w/ the ARM A9 core would compete with a Mac PPC G4, let alone any dinosaurs from the 80's... ;)

  35. Macos 7 - 9 were terrible by acomj · · Score: 1

    Nobody really knew what to expect. The transitions from version 7 to 8 to 9 where really minor so its not too surprising they were ignored. Apple was beleaguered.

    Thank goodness for OSx. As someone with a power computing box and various mac os versions before X, they were ok but the lack of command line. OSX worked great for grad school. Unix on the desktop and it worked.

    Plus they got rid of the "chooser" which couldn't make me happier.

  36. Microsoft by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    MS doesn't care what you run Windows on, just that you run Windows.

    And that the computer it runs on connects to MS servers, or MS is called.

    I switched from MS Windows to both Linux and Mac OS X because I didn't feel like being treated like a criminal.

    Falcon

  37. competition by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Linux has only given competition to desktop Windows on netbooks.

    And on servers and on desktops. Though the Linux market share on the desktop is small, less than 1%, it is growing. MS has to give away or sale at low prices Windows in un- and under-developed nations just to prevent buyers from using Linux. Monthly if not weekly it seems one business, government, or organization is moving from Windows to Linux. These stories used to be posted on Slashdot regularly.

    As for me, I'm typing this on my MacBook Pro but for a server I'm in the process of rebuilding my PC then I'll probably install Ubuntu Server on it.

    Maybe it needs to die and then be reborn as Android.

    I might get a smartphone with Android but I think if I get a tablet/pad it will have MeGoo. I'd rather get a Modbook Pro but they'll be too expensive for me more than likely.

    Falcon

    1. Re:competition by judeancodersfront · · Score: 1

      Well the server competition goes without saying.

      As for the desktop I've been reading claims here about how Linux is growing for years. Every year there is a story about a government or business switching but Linux just sits at 1%. The current strategy isn't working.

    2. Re:competition by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1

      To begin with it's pretty much impossible to measure Linux's market share on the desktop because most computers it's installed on came installed with another OS and all popular desktop Linux distributions like Ubuntu, Mint and Fedore are distributed for free. There are many ways to measure.

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  38. Bootcamp? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    The end result: I've heard a LOT of mac fans touting the bootcamp feature to potential new converts...

    Use Bootcamp? Why? It's not needed to dualboot a Mac. Okay, it does make it easier to dualboot.

    After replacing the HDD in my MacBook Pro yesterday with a bigger drive, I replaced the 320GB with a 750GB drive, I installed Snow Leopard. Before I did though I partitioned the drive into three separate partitions. The first one I made 60GB and installed Snow Leopard on. The third one I also made 60GB, for Lucid Linx. The second partition takes up the rest of the drive and is for a shared user home, both SL and LL can use it. That was done using the Disk utility included on the Snow Leopard DVD. To select the OS to be booted I'll use rEFIt.

    The dirty secret: none of them would think of using it without parallels or fusion.

    I don't have it yet but I will get and use Fusion so I can boot up Ubuntu from inside SN. But I will only do so when I don't mind LL running slowly, such as for testing. When I use LL heavily I will bootup LL on it's own not in a VM. I've actually thought of getting Snow Leopard Server so I could run it in a VM in Ubuntu as well.

    Falcon

  39. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

    Well if anything the proper way would be to count iOS tablet sales separately from Mac OS X sales. Combining the two is not correct as they are not compatible.

    Does that mean you agree that the recent Android market share numbers aren't true, not the least because it counts the Chines variants that where changed so they can't run Android apps but instead WinMobile apps?

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  40. MS Office for Macs by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    fwiw I own both an iPad and iMac. I don't consider Mac OS X dominant, I only switched when I could get a native version of MS Office

    MS had MS Office for Macs on 68K Mac running System 7.0. And MS Word was available when the Mac was released. If you were waiting for a native Mac port of MS Office you didn't wait long.

    Falcon

  41. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    So Windows NT for Alpha doesn't count as Windows either?

    That's the only version of MS Window I liked. And I still have my Alpha under my desk.

    Falcon

  42. Apple just killed their line of servers by falconwolf · · Score: 2

    Apple didn't kill their servers, Apple killed their blades, the Xserve. The Mac Pro can be and is used as a server. For rack mounts Apple suggests using Mac Minis, which I admit does not cut it for large installations. One problem with both solutions is they don't have a redundant power source. Mac Pros are too large for racks and the Mini lacks in throughput and bandwidth.

    Falcon

  43. ACL bug, root cause by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know whether to laugh or cry... I used to maintain the ACL code in the Mac OS X kernel. This is a user-space bug in the DesktopServices framework.

    Although this is not usually a problem, since only foolish/untrained administrators use Finder copies on systems being used as servers, I tried several times to get the Desktop Services folks to fix this. Mac OS X has multiple "copy engines", and the one in libc gets this right, while the one in the DesktopServices framework gets this wrong.

    The problem is that the finder "copy engine" code sets an ACL in the openx_np() system call, rather than using the chmodx_np() system call after the fact to set an explicit ACL. The ACL it passes to openx_np() is obtained from the source file system object via getattrlist() (but could as easily have come from statx_np()). So the ACL being set is the combination of the ACL set explicitly by the openx_np(), and the ACL being set as a result of the inheritance bit on the container directory in which the new file or directory is being created.

    This is in fact necessary, since the only way to make image backups of a subtree such that the copied subtree has exactly the same permissions in the target subtree as it had in the source subtree is to set *all* of the ACLs that were on the source object onto the target. Anything else loses permissions grants or denials on the copy of the object which were present on the original. This is either inconvenient, in the case of grants, or a critical security bug, in the case of denials.

    You can also see where this would be a necessary step for a backup/restore operation, where the date is serialized into an archive format on the backup, and deserialized back into the file system on a restore, which could be a partial archive restore.

    Things can get even more complicated when Time Machine and Spotlight are thrown into the mix, since Spotlight adds inherited ACEs to permit it to index directory contents that would otherwise be denied it by ACL, as does Time Machine (for some reason, they do not share a common group ID and utilize a single shared system functionality ACE, but I digress...). Likewise Time Machine sets an inherited ACE on its backup volume, for similar reasons.

    The correct fix is to do ACE deduplication in the case that the target directory container has inherited ACE entries which match the ACE entries on the source object, and remove duplicates from those explicitly listed in the openx_np() call. The alternative approach is to explicitly set exactly the desired ACL on the target after the target is created -- this has the drawback that you would need to explicitly know the container ACLs inherited ACE list in order to aggregate it yourself, but has the advantage that you won't be denied access to the object during creation if your openx_np() ACL contains explicit rights grants for the group or user that the creating entity runs under (this should be coupled with a subsequent "deny everyone" ACE to avoid a security race, which makes this the less desirable workable solution).

    Note that the above should make it obvious why a depth-first post-application of ACLs on copied objects wouldn't work; apart from the security problems in the order of operation window, network protocols such as AFP and NFSv$ and SMB all use connection credentials rather than request credentials (NFSv3 uses request credentials), and even privileged users do not have access to other users keychains or session passwords in effect for a given copy operation.

    -- Terry

    1. Re:ACL bug, root cause by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      Hi Terry,

      Your post is one of the most informative comments I think I've ever read here on /. in many years. Thank you.

      I'm hoping you may be able to answer a question that's been bothering me for years regarding ACLs and permissions. That is, why is it necessary to run a Repair Permissions on HFS+ volumes?

      On no other operating system or file system I've used in the past 20-odd years of my computing life has it had the problem that file permissions can get randomly lost or otherwise screwed up without you having to actually do something that causes this to happen?

      I've had clean installs of Mac OS X (mind you, this was generally older versions) where running a diskutil Repair Permissions would find permissions that weren't correctly set and fix them.

      I've had cases where (and this was more in PPC days booting between OS X and OS 9) where simply booting into OS 9 would seemingly destroy all the permissions on every file in the fs, and somehow it could do this pretty much instantly whereas it would take minutes to repair them all...

      Things seem to be a lot more stable in current releases of OS X, but it always had me scratching my head as to how this could actually happen in the first place...

      Cheers,
      Kai

    2. Re:ACL bug, root cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is, why is it necessary to run a Repair Permissions on HFS+ volumes?

      I am not Terry but I'll take a shot at answering your questions.

      One problem is, your foundational assumption is wrong: it's not necessary to run Repair Permissions. I haven't done it in years on my OS X machines and they're fine.

      On no other operating system or file system I've used in the past 20-odd years of my computing life has it had the problem that file permissions can get randomly lost or otherwise screwed up without you having to actually do something that causes this to happen?

      I've had clean installs of Mac OS X (mind you, this was generally older versions) where running a diskutil Repair Permissions would find permissions that weren't correctly set and fix them.

      This was actually a bug (or limitation, take your pick) in diskutil RepairPermissions. See, Repair Permissions was based on looking at the records written by the MacOS X package installer. RP could examine each one and figure out what the permissions of every system file were supposed to be.

      Great in theory, not so great in practice. See, it wasn't uncommon for multiple packages to affect the permissions of the same file. The last package to be installed during the OS install "wins". Early versions of RP would roll through the package records, repair based on the first package that set permissions on a given file, then later "repair" them again to the permissions set by the second package, emitting alarming reports about broken permissions both times.

      Because of this, it was often not possible to get the disk to a state where you could run RP twice in a row with no "repairs" during the second run. And the errors weren't even real.

      I've had cases where (and this was more in PPC days booting between OS X and OS 9) where simply booting into OS 9 would seemingly destroy all the permissions on every file in the fs, and somehow it could do this pretty much instantly whereas it would take minutes to repair them all...

      It's easier to destroy than to check. RP had to trawl through a bunch of files to figure out what permissions should be, OS 9 just had to be ignorant of permissions and randomly destroy them.

      So far as I can tell as an outsider, Apple wrote RP to repair OS 9 damage, but did a poor job. Ironically, because it generates lots of false alarms, it convinced lots of users (including you) that repairing permissions is much more necessary than it actually is.

    3. Re:ACL bug, root cause by tlambert · · Score: 1

      AC is correct in the explanation. I'd only add that application bundles generally include their own copies of all their components these days, including non-Apple-supplied libraries and frameworks. This cuts down the arguing between things considerably, since everyone is running off private copies these days. In general, the only place you will have problems is where someone tries to share code, as in macports or similar package distribution systems that don't take the bundle approach.

      -- Terry

  44. Yeah, the ipad's a PC. Sure... by Tomsk70 · · Score: 1

    ....one that costs more than a laptop and does less. And in the current economic climate, with no real business justification for having one other than showing off, they'll 'dominate next year'. Uh-huh.

    I spent ten years replacing mac-offices with PC's. It was really easy - just point out to the manager that staff can always be told 'If you want a mac, bring in your own. If you want a PC, you can have one for free'. Suddenly, faced with the cost of a mac, every single user plumped for a PC - users who previously 'couldn't do without a mac'. And that was when things were relatively booming compared to now.

    So, to summarise - a mac-fanboy article, posted by a Slashdot mac-fanboy.

  45. Straw man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OSX is what Linux wants to be when it grows up.

    Straw man. You say "linux wants to be OSX" like it was said by somebody else. But it wasn't. It was said by you. You also tried hard to imply that linux isn't "grown up" (cute). Obviously you aren't aware that linux already dominates the server and mobile markets. Linux is quite "grown up" and has been for a long time. It's only the desktop market where linux doesn't have the market share. You do know that the vast majority of supercomputers run some form of linux? Is that not "grown up" enough for you?

    Since you aren't aware yet, there are hundreds of unique linux distributions, each with specific goals, philosophies, and communities. Some of them do target the mainstream desktop market. These are the ones you hear about. Perhaps one or two of those "wants to be like OSX", but

    Let me guess: the world of computers is new to you. That's fine. But don't go spouting off about things you have no clue about.

  46. self-correction by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    This is what I was trying to write but failed:

    "I believe they have found their niche in creating the successor to the PDA rather than the kind of computing in which users of Slashdot with UIDs below 1000000 generally engage."

    In other words, they no longer focus on making computers or operating systems for people who want to make things with their computers.

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    1. Re:self-correction by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In other words, they no longer focus on making computers or operating systems for people who want to make things with their computers.

      More to the point, they no longer focus on general-purpose computers. They focus on walled garden computers. The writing is on the wall; one day, they will make NO general-purpose computers. Without jailbreaking there will be no way to get GPLv3 code on the machine at all. Microsoft must be incredibly jealous right now.

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  47. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

    Since applications written for Intel Windows are not compatible with Alpha Windows do you believe those machines should be counted separately, too?

  48. What a change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's world definitely did change. Apple used to write their own software and license their own custom hardware: custom-made SCSI drives, SuperDrive (both the self-ejecting floppy and the slot-based CD drives always looked so futuristic compared to what PCs had at the time), custom-made CPUs with development actually influenced by Apple, a fast (for the time) Firewire back before USB 2.0 was even invented, custom ports, a filesystem that can magically divine the file type without any use of file extensions, a GUI built into the firmware, long filenames back when the DOS/Windows world had the 8.3 limit, built-in 16-bit speakers and 16-bit color back when DOS only supported beeps and 16 colors (if you count blinking and high intensity as "colors"), autodetection of hardware like CD drives (when DOS needed you to put MSCDEX in your AUTOEXEC.BAT), the concept that simply deleting a folder uninstalls the software (imagine just dragging McAfee to the Recycle Bin on Windows, your PC probably wouldn't even start).

    Now, a Mac is a PC only with DRM built-in to the firmware/hardware. Apple uses low-grade off-the-shelf parts just like Dell or Gateway. Before, you could justify the price of a Mac being so high. "Macs have enterprise-grade IBM SCSI hard drives" became "Macs have off-the-shelf SATA drives." "Macs have custom 68k/PowerPC CPUs which Apple says are superior to any PC" became "Macs have cheap Intel CPUs." So what justifies the high price of Macs now? The fact that suckers would pay that much for an inferior DRMed PC to use as a status symbol.

    The software has also degraded. Yes, Mac OS X is more robust than Mac OS, but it is not Mac OS. It is Darwin, a free UNIX-like kernel with a BSD userland. Imagine if Microsoft replaced Windows with Linux or BSD and then made the Windows compatibility layer into something like WINE. Sounds good, right? Now suppose they required "Trusted" computers for it to run and made it so the compatibility layer and UI were proprietary and could only be purchased with their own "Windows X." Then suppose that 5 years later, Microsoft drops backwards compatibility with Win32. People would be angry! People would complain about how Microsoft replaced Windows with a free product and is still charging a high price for it. People would complain that Microsoft is stealing from the hard work of the open source community. People would complain that Microsoft killed off Win32.

    Why did Mac OS go from being ahead of its time to being a proprietary rip-off of free software? Why did Apple hardware go from literally using the parts found in quality IBM servers and workstations to literally using the parts found in a cheap Dell? Why is the TPM, a DRM chip that Microsoft was going to require for Longhorn (Vista), found in Macs, but not PCs? Why does Apple get away with killing off backwards compatibility?

    1. Re:What a change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's world definitely did change. Apple used to write their own software

      They still do...

      and license their own custom hardware: custom-made SCSI drives, SuperDrive (both the self-ejecting floppy and the slot-based CD drives always looked so futuristic compared to what PCs had at the time),

      They still do... (the "custom" was custom firmware, and Apple still gets custom firmware on a lot of drives)

      custom-made CPUs with development actually influenced by Apple,

      Which was expensive and became a technical disadvantage for Apple.

      a fast (for the time) Firewire back before USB 2.0 was even invented,

      Thunderbolt.

      custom ports,

      Custom ports suck. I like the new Apple which generally tries to push its new attempts at creating ports as standards (e.g. mini DisplayPort, now also used as the Thunderbolt connector).

      Now, a Mac is a PC only with DRM built-in to the firmware/hardware. Apple uses low-grade off-the-shelf parts just like Dell or Gateway.

      No, actually they use high grade off-the-shelf parts. Just like they did before.

      Before, you could justify the price of a Mac being so high. "Macs have enterprise-grade IBM SCSI hard drives" became "Macs have off-the-shelf SATA drives."

      Apple shipped desktop grade SCSI drives, not enterprise. You may not have noticed, but you can't buy those any more, they don't exist.

      "Macs have custom 68k/PowerPC CPUs which Apple says are superior to any PC" became "Macs have cheap Intel CPUs."

      What is cheap about the Intel CPUs Apple uses? Haven't you noticed that Apple doesn't ever use the cheap ones?

      So what justifies the high price of Macs now? The fact that suckers would pay that much for an inferior DRMed PC to use as a status symbol.

      The hardware isn't DRMed and for the most part people buy Macs because they like them, not because they're status symbols.

      The software has also degraded. Yes, Mac OS X is more robust than Mac OS, but it is not Mac OS. It is Darwin, a free UNIX-like kernel with a BSD userland.

      In what sense is this a degradation? Classic MacOS had to go. It had become a pile of hacks.

      Imagine if Microsoft replaced Windows with Linux or BSD and then made the Windows compatibility layer into something like WINE. Sounds good, right? Now suppose they required "Trusted" computers for it to run and made it so the compatibility layer and UI were proprietary and could only be purchased with their own "Windows X."

      Analogy fail. Apple never had a wide open policy for MacOS. What it ran on was always tightly controlled, even when Apple was dabbling in licensing Mac clones. OS X didn't change that one bit.

      Then suppose that 5 years later, Microsoft drops backwards compatibility with Win32. People would be angry!

      Not if Microsoft had gotten 99% of its users to upgrade to the new OS, and there were ports or replacements for all the important Win32 apps. Which is why Apple didn't face a mass revolt from users when they dropped Classic MacOS support.

      People would complain about how Microsoft replaced Windows with a free product and is still charging a high price for it. People would complain that Microsoft is stealing from the hard work of the open source community.

      Even the zealotiest zealot of open source, RMS, thinks it's just fine and dandy to charge a price for free-as-in-freedom software. As for "stealing", you're a tool. The BSD code in OS X came to Apple with a license that basically says "stealing this is OK", and Apple far exceeds that standard of approved behavior by giving back to the BSD community.

      Why

  49. The current strategy isn't working. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    As for the desktop I've been reading claims here about how Linux is growing for years. Every year there is a story about a government or business switching but Linux just sits at 1%.

    But I think it is working, just not as good as a better strategy may. Sure Linux hasn't increased its desktop market share, at least that anyone can show stats, but that market is growing. Because there is no one place, or two, to look for how many desktops Linux runs on nobody knows just how much Linux is used. Two PCs I bought, with MS Windows, I planned on installing Linux. I was a fool not making sure their hardware was Linux compatible, they weren't, but where would that have shown up in stats? Another PC I bought I bought it as a dualboot PC, Windows NT4 and Redhat Linux. I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro. A couple of days ago I replaced the 320GB with a 750GB HDD. When I installed Snow Leopard I partitioned the drive first into 3 partitions. On the first partition I installed Snow Leopard. I'm about to install Lucid Linx on the third partition. On what stats will that show up?

    Falcon

    1. Re:The current strategy isn't working. by judeancodersfront · · Score: 1

      The 1% comes from web stats.

      http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-na-monthly-201002-201102

  50. Alpha NT4 by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Since applications written for Intel Windows are not compatible with Alpha Windows do you believe those machines should be counted separately, too?

    NT4 for Alpha is still Windows.

    As for what applications were compatible and what weren't, when I bought my Alpha I also bought a laptop and some software. The only application I bought I was able to install on both was Borland C++, of course the code it wrote was for Intel. However I installed a number of open source and shareware programs on both. I was able to install free software on my Alpha but not commercial software? I thought that was ironic, unless of course the commercial software was written to test the CPU. Which Microsoft did, someone gave me MS Office and I tried installing it. It told me it could not be installed because the CPU was an Alpha not an Intel.

    Falcon

  51. Default gnome-terminal size by Sits · · Score: 1

    Speaking of gnome-terminal, how the fuck do you set the default window size? In Terminal.app, you just resize and Shell -> Use Settings As Default.

    Using gconf to set a default size in certain versions of GNOME Terminal is broken but looking at the gnome-terminal 2.33.90 shows a "Use custom default terminal size" (yeah I know that page talks about Ubuntu but the option was there in a Fedora 15 Alpha live CD too). gnome-terminal 2.30 and peering at gnome-terminal's git suggests the option would have gone in around 2.31.

    But hey - Slashdot ain't a bug tracker so here might not have been the best place to ask (even if you did work at NetApp)... :)

    1. Re:Default gnome-terminal size by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Using gconf to set a default size in certain versions of GNOME Terminal is broken

      I'd say "using gconf to set a default size in certain versions of GNOME Terminal would be a crock even if it weren't broken"; the moral equivalent in Mac OS X would be requiring that you use the defaults command, or the plist editor if you want a GUI, to set the default terminal size in Terminal.app.

      but looking at the gnome-terminal 2.33.90 shows a "Use custom default terminal size" (yeah I know that page talks about Ubuntu but the option was there in a Fedora 15 Alpha live CD too). gnome-terminal 2.30 and peering at gnome-terminal's git suggests the option would have gone in around 2.31.

      It looks as if they broke it while fixing another bug, and finally got around to putting it back. I don't remember the ability to set it ever being broken in Terminal.app (the UI for it changed when they did a rewrite). Unfortunately, I haven't yet freed up enough disk space to add an Ubuntu 10 VM on my Mac to my other N VMs.

      But hey - Slashdot ain't a bug tracker so here might not have been the best place to ask (even if you did work at NetApp)... :)

      I was really just snarking about the CLI-in-the-GUI on a non-OS X desktop environment.

  52. Recent gnome-terminal let's you search the buffer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  53. History of Eazel, Nautilus, ergonomic & elegan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You obviously dont actually use gnome, and specifically nautilus.

    Why dont you treat yourself to the history of the company that designed nautilus which is imho the best filemanager avail, YES way way better than microsofts explorer in windows7, the OSX filemanager which isnt to flash either, and kde's konquorer (which you laughably commend for its flashy grafix although i've got it installed just for the fsview which i use very occasionally, and it looks fugly, mutton dressed as lamb, heck the kde team has now got dolphin too although i cant see why, konq seems fast enough, but they want something light weight! kde seems to be by ADHD kiddies who cannot make any decisions and so "choose" everything, gnome has been about consistent humane simplicity).

    Designed and created by ... "former employees of Apple Computer, Netscape, Be Inc., Linuxcare, Microsoft, Red Hat and Sun Microsystems, among others. Mike Boich was CEO; Bud Tribble was VP of Engineering; Andy Hertzfeld was a principal designer and Darin Adler led development. Susan Kare, author of the original Macintosh icons"^

    Nautilus pioneered vector 'icons' and previewing contents and still does these simple things better than its competition as well as exposing features which remain unique like varied aspect ratio icons, which work very well with magnification, and "compact layout option", after all, the content when it's visual isnt all at a fixed aspect ratio! Even simple functionality like having folder counts in the filesize column simply makes sense and obviates the msofties habit of rightclicking and checking the properties to glean information which should be exposed in full view. Together with the underlying modular philosophy of unix, with utils like 'file', you can expect to have every file properly identified with appropriate previews, no matter the "extension" or un/intentional obfuscation, which are rapidly generated and when a directory contains many many files some with possibly very large media which may require substantial processing and caching for multiscale previews, an intelligent adaptive algorithm dynamically recalculates an optimum display and redraws the icon region which is the real treasure within the nautilus shell, something explorer wont do, even with video when the three letter extension happens to have survived webservers, virus authors, clever idiots and other operating systems. Think of the way TeX calculates paragraph justification and kerning which is optimal on a whole paragraph scope, not just line by line like ms word which leaves you with unprofessional distracting rivers of white space in your paragraphs, well that is what nautilus does with icons.

    It's also maintained its elegance while either leading or otherwise adapting naturally to proven UI trends like breadcrumbs and tabs, collated 'file copy operations in a single overview window', while adding that ergonomics touch like ubiquitous wheel function without extraneous unnecessary clicks and targeting (wheel to cycle between list/compact/icon, wheel to cycle tabs or traverse breadcrumbs; Remember when microsoft broke the explorer's functionality of being able to click once to toggle list/icon by throwing in a third rarely used choice and making the list of choices pop up and demand a second precise target and click, now look at the "further improvement in windows7" rofl)

    Then include the intelligence of the windowmanager with ergonomic alt and drag anywhere inside a window to reposition, toggling shift to lock to edges of other windows and scrolling without having to first focus. More humane more ergonomic, computer interfaces for humans, not the otherway around, humans for computers or worse for corporations and these days I find Nautilus actually more optimized/higher performance; eg I keep /opt linked to a dir on another partition which is not always visible to my laptop and i keep bulky apps like eg. adobe acrobat on /opt so when this partition is not mounted acroread is not available

  54. What mouse problem? by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    I use the freebie "Mouse Acceleration" A flick of my wrist sents the mouse 3000 pixels away.

    I agree that there are aggravating things about the GUI, but *EVERY* gui I've used has aggravations. One of the things I like about Mac and Linux is that so much of what you can do with a GUI you can do with a CLI too. And with the macports project you can have most of the linux world too. (We now have enough computers in the house that DNS became desirable. "port install maradns" (bind would be overkill) Done.

    Now if I could get Spotlight to default to searching for filenames, not content...

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  55. Re:Counting tablets as computers for sales purpose by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

    I like to compare it to this... lowendmac.com/ppc/20th-anniversary-macintosh.html

  56. The 1% comes from web stats. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-na-monthly-201002-201102

    Was that link supposed to have web stats for Linux usage? I didn't see any. Googling though I did find this: OS Platform Statistics. It shows web stats for Linux being above 5%. The stats have Linux breaking 5% in November 2010. Going further and comparing Linux stats with Windows stats, it has all versions of MS Windows having 86.5% of the OS market in December. In February it was 85.9%. In the same tyme period both Linux and Mac OSX gained share.

    Again going further, there's OS and browser spoofing. Using Firefox I don't know how many webpages I've landed on that says "Best viewed with X" where X is a version of IE. Spoof IE on those pages and some render fine while others don't.

    Falcon