first it's great to see esr's long contributions to open source as a programmer, writer, project manager and linux archive keeper crystalized between covers. esr's personal observations are deeply rooted and in that there is great value.
second it's great to get a chance to have esr in archival format -- this book is not disposable like so many bidnez and techie books. after many of our pages have succombed to bit-rot, the book will be in many ways fresh and at the same time historical.
our goal was to study one long running, since 1993, open source community. i think that too much data-mingling would be a bad idea. what is really called for, i think, is several discrete studies of separate communities--kernel hackers where the gate keeping is very strong, apache where the gatekeeping is done by a team, etc. then we could have an idea of how these communities operate. i suspect that different gatekeeping and different technical thresholds will yield very different distributions of contributors. but we need more focused studies to show that.
we know and acknowledge that LSMs are only part of what's out there, but LSMs have tracked (and still do track) the most "open" contributions. that is the archive is not controlled, for better or worse, by Linus, a core team, or much of anyone. i like to think of the archive and LSMs as the beginning of the Open Source pipe. next we want to look at what makes it from LSM to different distros, how certain "programmer heroes" contribute and where, etc. (this last might include alan cox as a contributor of graphics to the archive w/LSM;->).
more suggestions for us to look into are welcome and encouraged
whilst it's great that eric has posted some info about the number of subscribers to his lists and about the number of lines of code, i think that the relationships being drawn don't make much sense. simply plotting data on the same graph, as we teach our students, doesn't necessarily mean there is a relationship between the items plotted. so the subscribers increase at the time a new version of the software was released--surprise. so lines of code increase at the time of a new release--surprise. but to attempt to show that lines of code are related to number of subscribers, well there is nothing to show that.
I'd like to duck into this discussion to say that whatever forms the LDP needs to take, we'll be glad to keep hosting and supporting the project at http://MetaLab.unc.edu/LDP/ or at a variety of URLs for a variety of ways of solving the documentation issues. This includes keeps docs in various formats and/or databases (mySQL mainly but we're open to supporting other forms including XML.
Batten bankrolled Red Hat when on one else would early on in exchange for a % in a company that gave away its products. A wild gamble on his part. Then he was hands-off in the daily running of the company. Call him angel instead of viper capitalist. Good that he won too.
Those little buggers are jackass penguins from South Africa. In earlier times on the Cape, they were threatened by extinction because they were too social and too unafraid of humans. Hundreds of them would eat garbage then surround human camps honking like jackasses (they are very loud) demaning more food until some mad sailor unable to sleep went out and whacked a few hundred (I am not condoning this behavior). I ran into a little colony of maybe 25 in SA back in 1996 and they were completely unfraid of humans still (these were wild jackies). They are thought in SA (as I hope my tale tells) to cause stress--not have much stress themselves. Remind you of any humans in open source?
Basically my story is the same as other affinity group folks. I too got completely contridictary information from e*trade. I too got the "reconfirm" insanity, but I did get phone calls from e*trade telling me to get in there and reconfirm--little good that it did at the time. I too got the "no shares allocated" message. But in each case, when it finally dawned on me to say "BUT I'm in the AFFINITY GROUP!" things changed for the better. Now I have almost as many shares as I requested and I'm not disappointed. (of course what I got was small potatoes, but I had expected nothing and I appreciate Red Hat's thinking of me). Now will VA do something similar?
MetaLab will be glad to host
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We've been hosting many various open source projects for a long time now and would be glad to host more. So if you are homeless--or if you are starting an OS project--drop a note to me or to Donald Sizemore dsl@metalab.unc.edu
I was at Tarzan with my 6 year old during the 2 hour window. I then called e*trade at 6:15 EDT and was told tough luck. but a friend at Red Hat told me to pay NO ATTENTION to e*trade but to go to the URL from "the letter" I did that (and I hope I'm still glad in a month). everything worked including passing the profile. I put in my contitional offer and hey hey hey let's see what's up next.
We've hosted several open source projects ( Linux, Linux Documentation Project, GGI and more -- even WAIS and Mosaic in ancient days). We're open to supporting more projects. So if you have some that need www, ftp, mailing lists etc, drop us a note at webmaster@MetaLab.unc.edu
For the fiscal year ended February 28, 1999, Red Hat stated in its filing that it earned $10.8 million in revenue, compared to $5.2 million for the same period a year ago. About 7 percent of its yearly revenue came from services and the remainder from sales of software and related products. The company posted a net loss of $130,000 for fiscal 1999.
me too! we gave it to a student group who took it out of service after about 18 months. but laUNChpad lasted for several years on an antique computer. sunsite just took a rename to metalab where sun became a lesser supporter than say some local folks. until we read the directive posted on metalab.unc.edu we thought we'd be here longer...
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first it's great to see esr's long contributions to open source as a programmer, writer, project manager and linux archive keeper crystalized between covers. esr's personal observations are deeply rooted and in that there is great value.
second it's great to get a chance to have esr in archival format -- this book is not disposable like so many bidnez and techie books. after many of our pages have succombed to bit-rot, the book will be in many ways fresh and at the same time historical.
go eric go
our goal was to study one long running, since 1993, open source community. i think that too much data-mingling would be a bad idea. what is really called for, i think, is several discrete studies of separate communities--kernel hackers where the gate keeping is very strong, apache where the gatekeeping is done by a team, etc. then we could have an idea of how these communities operate. i suspect that different gatekeeping and different technical thresholds will yield very different distributions of contributors.
but we need more focused studies to show that.
we know and acknowledge that LSMs are only part of what's out there, but LSMs have tracked (and still do track) the most "open" contributions. that is the archive is not controlled, for better or worse, by Linus, a core team, or much of anyone. ;->).
i like to think of the archive and LSMs as the beginning of the Open Source pipe. next we want to look at what makes it from LSM to different distros, how certain "programmer heroes" contribute and where, etc. (this last might include alan cox as a contributor of graphics to the archive w/LSM
more suggestions for us to look into are welcome and encouraged
yes linux is there!
-r--r--r-- 1 root 5108685 Sep 27 09:52 mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz /pub/packages/infosystems/WWW/clients/Netscape/moz illa-source/mozilla/nightly/latest/
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whilst it's great that eric has posted some info about the number of subscribers to his lists and about the number of lines of code, i think that the relationships being drawn don't make much sense. simply plotting data on the same graph, as we teach our students, doesn't necessarily mean there is a relationship between the items plotted.
so the subscribers increase at the time a new version of the software was released--surprise. so lines of code increase at the time of a new release--surprise.
but to attempt to show that lines of code are related to number of subscribers, well there is nothing to show that.
less so in this one
Love and Linux,
Paul
Batten bankrolled Red Hat when on one else would early on in exchange for a % in a company that gave away its products. A wild gamble on his part. Then he was hands-off in the daily running of the company. Call him angel instead of viper capitalist. Good that he won too.
Those little buggers are jackass penguins from South Africa. In earlier times on the Cape, they were threatened by extinction because they were too social and too unafraid of humans. Hundreds of them would eat garbage then surround human camps honking like jackasses (they are very loud) demaning more food until some mad sailor unable to sleep went out and whacked a few hundred (I am not condoning this behavior). I ran into a little colony of maybe 25 in SA back in 1996 and they were completely unfraid of humans still (these were wild jackies).
They are thought in SA (as I hope my tale tells) to cause stress--not have much stress themselves.
Remind you of any humans in open source?
Basically my story is the same as other affinity group folks. I too got completely contridictary information from e*trade. I too got the "reconfirm" insanity, but I did get phone calls from e*trade telling me to get in there and reconfirm--little good that it did at the time. I too got the "no shares allocated" message. But in each case, when it finally dawned on me to say "BUT I'm in the AFFINITY GROUP!" things changed for the better.
Now I have almost as many shares as I requested and I'm not disappointed. (of course what I got was small potatoes, but I had expected nothing and I appreciate Red Hat's thinking of me).
Now will VA do something similar?
We've been hosting many various open source projects for a long time now and would be glad to host more. So if you are homeless--or if you are starting an OS project--drop a note to me or to Donald Sizemore dsl@metalab.unc.edu
I was at Tarzan with my 6 year old during the 2 hour window. I then called e*trade at 6:15 EDT and was told tough luck. but a friend at Red Hat told me to pay NO ATTENTION to e*trade but to go to the URL from "the letter"
I did that (and I hope I'm still glad in a month). everything worked including passing the profile. I put in my contitional offer and hey hey hey let's see what's up next.
We've hosted several open source projects ( Linux, Linux Documentation Project, GGI and more -- even WAIS and Mosaic in ancient days).
We're open to supporting more projects. So if you have some that need www, ftp, mailing lists etc, drop us a note at webmaster@MetaLab.unc.edu
From corrected news.com article:
For the fiscal year ended February 28, 1999, Red Hat stated in its filing that it earned $10.8 million in revenue, compared to $5.2 million for the same period a year ago. About 7 percent of its yearly revenue came from services and the remainder from sales of software and related products. The company posted a net loss of $130,000 for fiscal 1999.
Please use MetaLab instead of our old name, sunsite.unc.edu. MetaLab is our non-vendor-specific name--tho sunsite.unc.edu still works.
http://MetaLab.unc.edu/ StarDivision/unxlnxi/so51_lnx_01.tar
Thanks
sunsite.unc.edu still works, but we prefer that you use MetaLab.unc.edu instead. it's our non-vendor-specific name.
so that would be
http://MetaLab.unc.edu/ StarDivision/unxlnxi/so51_lnx_01.tar
Thanks
curious to see how successful you are.
Adam Fuller is indeed lookin for a job, but not because MetaLab might be changing.... He's lookin because he's being called home.
me too! we gave it to a student group who took it out of service after about 18 months. but laUNChpad lasted for several years on an antique computer.
sunsite just took a rename to metalab where sun became a lesser supporter than say some local folks.
until we read the directive posted on metalab.unc.edu we thought we'd be here longer...
This should confirm the change for you.
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/packages/infosystems/WWW /clients/Netscape/m ozilla-source/mozilla/releases/m3/ W W/clients/Netscape /mozilla-source/mozilla/releases/m3/
and
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/packages/infosystems/W
We keep'em regularly updated as an official mirror so for those of you closer the North Carolina than to North Europe--Enjoy
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