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Study: Waking Up Like Being Drunk
Ant writes "CNN reports that "sleep inertia" leaves some people so groggy, after they wake up, they might as well be drunk, researchers said on Tuesday. "For a short period, at least, the effects of sleep inertia may be as bad as or worse than being legally drunk," said researcher Kenneth Wright of the University of Colorado at Boulder."
I didn't get smashed last night, I just wake up drunk, honest!
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So am I going to get a DUI for sleeping through the alarm and rushing to work while groggy? Can't wait for that.
At least it won't show up on a breathilizer.
...that all of my co-workers were just wasted. I think I liked it better when they were supposedly bonged out. "Sleep inertia" is just boring.
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So remember folks: If you fall asleep while driving it's very important that you don't attempt to wake up.
I end up babbling like an idiot to my wife every morning when I wake up. She thinks I'm just lazy in the mornings, but now I've got an excuse to hide behind :-)
Its just like sitting and waiting for a new post on slashdot, and then quickly trying to write something usefull, witch actually ends up rather stupid.
According to this research we should not allow post for at least 3 min after a new entry on slashdot.
I think this entry proves my point.
-:) Oh no - not again.
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Does it mean that I cannot take my afternoon refreshment nap?
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Just one of the reasons why I choose to shower in the morning rather than in the evening.
Can a US-american please explain what "legally drunk" means?
Coming from a country where you can legally drink starting with 16 and buy alcohol with any age as long as "it is for your parents" I have to wonder what the difference between "legally" drunk and "illegally" drunk is.
Thank you.
wow! it's amazing to finally see in a study what I've known all my life. Like you're walking through a dense fog whilest dragging a couple of Yugo's roped to my brain. Sometimes in important situations I pass right through it into a more "complete" consciousness- if there is such a thing- but in general, its just a real pain. Caused me problems all my 35 years.
Shorry, I dinnt unnerstan that. Where's my damn coffee?
I have this stupid little dog that keeps waking up at night and yipping with this ear-piercing yelp. Something about taking a piss. I hate that little dog. Damn activists would have me in jail if I shot her, though.
So where's that coffee? Oh, here it is. Ahh.
Wow, what a stupid post. Better not press Submi...
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So if you drink a lot before you go to sleep, and you wake up drunk, the two effects cancel each other out. So drink heavily every night and you'll be fine!
I can attest to this. When I wake up, my judgment is severely impaired, to the point that I'll hit my snooze alarm for 2 hours and end up late for work, while not really getting much more sleep. Even after I do wake up, it takes a long time before I'm really capable of doing much. It seems that even our supercomputer brains need time to spin up before we're ready for action.
It may come as a great shock to these scientists to realise that most people on the planet take awhile to get fully awake after waking up. Those same people would refer to that knowledge as common sense.
There was a story about some sleep researchers from MIT having developed an alarm clock that monitors your sleep and wakes you up at a time when you're most likely to be well rested (outside a REM phase or whatever). Of course that meant you couldn't enter the exact time to wake up, just an approximate. I still thought this sounded awesome, and they were going to commercialise it, but even if they did I guess it's really expensive and also, sleeping with sensors attached is bound to be annoying.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
... waking up should be forbidden for persons younger than 21 years ;o)
There is evidence that the cortical areas of the brain thought to be responsible for problem-solving, complex thought and emotions take longer to wake up than other parts of the brain, Wright wrote.
Problem Solving? COMPLEX THOUGHT?! EMOTIONS!?!?!?
Fuck that! I'm goin' back to bed!
"Who says nothing is impossible? Some people do it every day!" - Alfred E. Neuman
... but I have a shot or two in the morning, just to be shure.
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Did it really take a team of scientists to figure this out?
Scientist: Hey Bob I have an idea for a research proposal, but I'm going to need a big grant.
Boss: What's your idea?
Scientist: Well I want to study the effects of waking up.
Boss: Is this just an excuse for why you are always sleeping at your desk?
Scientist: *Looks guilty* N..No! I want to compare the effects to um.. Drunk Driving! Yeah I want to compare the effects of waking up to Drunk Driving thats it!
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As for this being true, my usuall waking up is from nice pleasant dreams to the stark reality that my life is half over and I am old and decrepit and nobody loves me and I am in a job I hate and it is cold and my body hurts.
The reason I appear drunk is not because I wake up drunk but because a small drink is the only way to survive waking up.
I don't drive so I am not putting anyone at risk by going to work with a small booster. Yeah sure sure I am ruining my health. Who gives a fuck. It is alcoholism or suicide.
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Sorry to reply to my own post, but how is that flamebait?
This was on the BBC's website yesterday. I've given the link and complained about the fact this isn't what I consider news.
I fail to see how this can be considered as flamebait.
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!!! Now that's what it was! I always wondered why the world was making SsSs shapes under my feet after dropping out of bed.
...and dreamt of being at a Black Sabbath concert. They were grinding out "Iron Man", and I was in front, doing some mighty head-banging.
Things turned literal when my head met the window sill against which my bed lay.
I became semi-conscious, with blood streaming from my forhead, but couldn't move well because my right arm was still asleep.
Almost deathly so: my sleeping position had cut off circulation to the arm, apparently for a long time. The Sabbath dream had been my subconscious trying to 'rock' me into a different position. Later, when my arm functioned again and the bleeding stopped I thought, wow, that would have been pretty funny, if it hadn't happened to me...
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If your blood alcohol concentration is above certain limits set by law, typically 0.08% these days, then you are defined by law to be drunk, whatever your state of reflexes, ability to concentrate, et cetera. Otherwise, whether you are drunk or not is a matter of judgment -- not yours, of course, but typically that of the policeman who stops you and the judge who hears the case.
However, the limit used to be 0.10%, and that is actually fairly sloshed. You would be pretty happy, typically, although people vary. The point is that it used to be the case that you could be definitely drunk, and know it, but still be under the limit at which you would be defined to be drunk by the law. Naive people would imagine, therefore, that you could be drunk but not legally drunk (because you were under the 0.10% limit). This was never the case, of course, since even under the 0.10% limit you could still be determined to be drunk by a policeman and a judge. But it was a popular fiction.
From this beginning I think nowadays "legally drunk" has morphed into a colloquial expression meaning mostly just "pretty definitely drunk" versus just feelin' good -- you know, at that point where friends argue happily with each other -- hey, I'm not drunk, man, just...relaxed...g'wan, ask me anything...look! I can balance a beer bottle on my nose (crash)!
It has nothing to do with the legal drinking age.
This was also reported by New Scientist: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8564.
The sleeptracker watch is what your talking about, it monitors your body signals to wake you up at the best moment, you set an alarm window & it will wake you up at the best time, they sell on Amazon for 139.95.
Did you submit it to slashdot?
No, neither did I.
I literally think more slowly after waking up. When I shower in the morning it takes me like 20 minutes to do the exact same procedure I can complete in 10 minutes if take a shower in the middle of the day.
;)
I bicycle to work, and I've found the exercise really helps to jolt you awake. Fresh air and exercise in general wakes me up much better than getting on a bus to work does. Below freezing temperatures help too
I think people tend to take their need of sleep too lightly these days. I would prefer to sleep about 9 hours a night, but practical issues and social pressure keeps me at between 6 and 8 hours per night. I don't feel that time spent sleeping is wasted, as a programmer I often that I've solved problems during sleep.
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I wish I had a link or something (too early in the morning to look one up) but I read recently about a tribe in Africa somewhere whose warriors had the ability to go from sleep to full battle readiness in a matter of seconds. I wonder what their secret is.
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'What's so unpleasant about being drunk?'
'You ask a glass of water.'
I guess that explains a lot of these comments, like this one. (Posting at 06:33)
On the topic of being drunk and sleeping, I recall seeing an 'experiment' on TV that compared the effects of being drunk to that of sleepiness while driving. The conclusion was that being sleepy was worse, as the driver invariably fell asleep, and the car ran off the road.
IIRC, the testing was done with a driving simulator, and all that was tested was steering, which may not entirely be accurate, especially if the whole operation of the gas and brake is removed from the test.
Ah! Then in that case, I'm fine with it.
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...ever woken up still drunk? I remember doing so after my mate Frank's stag do. Got downstairs, drank some water, out of the house to Fulham High Road to a coffeeshop, bought coffee and a Sunday paper, sat down and realised that (a) I couldn't read and (b) I forgot shoes.
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For a short period, at least, the effects of sleep inertia may be as bad as or worse than being legally drunk," said researcher Kenneth Wright of the University of Colorado.
Is this one of these scientific tests that involve lots of alcohol and plenty of sleeping?
I really felt drunk that time, either that or on the high seas. Glad I didn't drive a car, I could barely walk to the doctor's office. Got a week off from work though, and gravol and fluids.
Youre saying Im an full-time alcoholic? Shit - my new year resolution was to give up alcohol and now they tell me that Im drunk every day just by waking up, greeeeeat! ...better get sign up for one of those AA meetings.
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
What happens when we sleep is fun. Have you ever woken up to find that the TV or radio is broadcasting exactly what you were dreaming about?
I'm no sleep researcher or psychologist, but it seems that the human brain is incredibly quick (while dreaming) to pick up on external, subconscious influences/input. It's quite amazing, actually.
I'm a surly drunk and definitely not a morning person. They go hand in hand.
Who is this Jimmy character, and why was he cracking corn in the first place?
I'll take a couple of shots right now, straight up.
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
Where all this scares me is with respect to medical care. My understanding is that while there are guidelines on how many hours, eg, medical residents can work, at least in many cases it is cheaper for hospitals to pay the fine than to hire more residents. I have heard of studies comparing sleep deprivation to being drunk for a long time. Hopefully they are starting to add up, and we'll stop having to wonder whether the doctor looking at us in the emergency room hasn't slept in the last 24 hours.
I must disagree with the article.
I hate waking up.
This problem of getting to full cognitive capacity after waking is a serious one in some professions. Think about doctors who are on night duty and are woken up to immediately deal with an emergency. In some cases it might be better to just stand around and do nothing for a few minutes unless it really is life threatening.
I had a doctor friend who, after coming in from a night out drinking, used to hook himself up to a drip. End result: waking up with no dehydration and much less of a hangover, but that's slightly OT.
I also heard that in the British Army, the first minute after waking up doesn't officially exist - that's because they're aware that people are still "out of sorts" and incapable for at least a minute. In theory, you can punch the Sgt-Major and get away with it.
Of course, he would make you pay one way or another...
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Perhaps you should find some other place to conduct that procedure. Most slashdotters do it in front of their PC at night, I think.
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Sorry. I just woke up.
Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
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Let it roll baby roll.
Jim Morrison did extensive research into this phenomenon, way back in 1970.
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Being drunk is fun.
This is not my sandwich.
Waking up is not at all like being drunk. When I wake up, I'm groggy and pissed off. When I'm drunk, I'm groggy and happy.
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It's 6:23 AM, I got up at about 6:15. I have come to know that I need to have about ten minutes of sitting down at the computer before I can function at all. For those ten minutes, it's like being in another world, and as I am typing this, I can feel the lucidity surging back into my head.
Being awakened and having to get up out of bed and do normal awake things definitely demonstrates this effect more drastically than waking up on your own and lounging on the bed while you become fully awake.
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Wake me up (not drunk), when you start driving. :)
hilarious
Well, I guess researchers at Colorado are so busy that they never sleep :-)
In German, there even exists the word "schlaftrunken", which literally translated means "sleep drunk".
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Has anyone ever seen a "Slashdot Original Story"?
Do you ever hear about their crack team of investigative reporters?
No story on Slashdot, other than reviews, comes without a link to another source that reported on it first.
So another site or 2 had it up first, who cares?
Does slashdot say anywhere that they are only going to report on the most current, most interesting stories?
And on top of that, they're going to have them posted first?
Some people don't visit bbc.
Some people don't visit digg.
Some people don't visit any other sites to get this type of news.
Congrats on seeing it first somewhere else...I just don't see what your point in telling us was.
If you had gone to a hospital bureaucrat and argued against shift patterns for junior doctors requiring them to nap during the night when no patients were around, and they asked you for evidence, what then do you do? Say that they would be sleepy? That it was common sense that they couldn't do their job safely?
I suspect you'd be dismissed because people don't make important decisions like that based on what Joe Schmoe reckons is 'obvious'. That's why things that, on the face of them seem obvious, must be checked out scientifically. There has to be evidence to base decisions on, as gut feelings and common sense are, in many cases, completely and flagrantly wrong.
You demand those new conditions for junior doctors, and you're suddenly paying them millions of pounds more countrywide. I wouldn't stake millions of pounds on someones common sense without something more to back it up.
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You won't wake up groggy in a high crime area. Your eyes will suddenly pop open, and you'll quickly move to the window to scan the outside for threats. You listen carefully for any unusual noises.
Sure would be nice to wake up "groggy".
That's not going to happen here. You learn pretty quick that the police do not respond to calls for help fast enough.
I woke up at 5am, it's currently 7:39 and im sitting at work and I still feel "drunk".
I prefer being ACTUALLY drunk. Maybe if I start drinking as soon as I wake up it'll cancel out the sleep inertia.. hmmm
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In the summer of '99 I read a # of articles talking about the effects of driving shortly after waking up &/or while tired. The results clearly put the chances of an accident on par with drunk driving. Incidentally, highschool students will on average go to sleep sometime after midnight(I cant recall the specific avg'd time) regardless of when they have to get up for school, as was cited in a # of articles discussing late starts for high school. When combined, it means we're putting the worst drivers in our society on the road when they're in a state equivalent of being drunk daily during the school year. Top this off with how these sleepy students perform in class. Tho the studies I read didnt compare it to being drunk, the scores are significantly lower on average with a 7:30 start vs 9:30, which in retrospect are similar in magnitude, once again, to being drunk. Anyhoo, between these 2 reasons, it's pretty clear the early start times for highschools are somewhere between stupid & dangerous. Especially when one looks at the statistics for how elementry students would acheive with the early start, combined with the fact they arent dricing to school. Yet the elementry students get the latest start in most places because parents fear having them standing out on street corners in the dark before sunrise. (This is just plain silly in MN where I live when they end up standing out in the dark anyway 1/2 the school year)
I am always amazed at what the pop media finds worthy of national news reporting.
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Don't you love it when Science validates common sense? I particularly like it when it's tax funded.
.. is when you wake up, and for some reason you keep on thinking: "Yellow"
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This story appeared in the Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail yesterday.
Heh, I remember proverb in our country that says (translated to English) "Make fun of a drunk person, just don't with a person who just woke up."
CNN reports that "sleep inertia" leaves some people so groggy, after they wake up, they might as well be drunk, researchers said on Tuesday.
:(
maybe it was because they were in as relaxed as one could get for 8 fucking hours, only to be waken by [BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP]
[throw alarm clock]
i could have told you this and been on CNN.
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Bender: Hey, what I don't do is none of your business!
Leela: Please, Bender, have some malt liquor. If not for yourself, then for the people who love you.
I'm always tired when I get to work,
yet the women I work with are consistently unattractive all day long.
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That's all I needed to hear! *pops open a cold one*
Ahhh, it looks like under Daylight Savings Time 8:32 is Beer O'Clock!
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Keep in mind that this comes from CU Boulder. The same school that rioted for several nights because underage drinkers were kicked out of bars. They burned cars and rolled flaming dumpsters at riot police three nights in a row.
I'm like that as well. That's why God invented coffee.
Do a study that tells me something I don't know, will ya? Geeze...I haven't been surprised by the news or these "studies" in almost a decade, except on 9/11.
New study: "Sex causes pregnancy". "Viloence causes death". "Smoking causes cancer".
Get jobs, guys- quit wasting money.
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When combined, it means we're putting the worst drivers in our society on the road when they're in a state equivalent of being drunk daily during the school year.
:)
And I have a simple solution. Don't buy cars for high school students. I rode the bus for four years of HS, those brats can too!
I was quoted out of context in my autobiography...
Years ago I heard of a precedent, I think in Pennsylvania, where someone was aquitted of murder because they had just woken up. The basic thinking was that you're considered temporarily insane for up to seven minutes after waking up. The Google, it finds nothing - anybody else heard of this?
Please respond quickly, I opted to make this post instead of calling my lawyer.
Do you ever hear about their crack team of investigative reporters?
Just the thought of that gives me the willies. I think I'm more comfortable with "slashdot's team of investigative reporters on crack."
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... legally drunk ...
If it's legal, then what is the f$%king problem?
It's always taken me a couple of hours to really feel like I've woken up completely. When I first wake up I feel confused, tired, week, and stupid. Even riding my bike the short distance to work doesn't completely dispel this feeling. Coffee and/or a long bike ride will shorten the time it takes to feel human again.
I've sometimes worried that something was wrong with me that I felt so out of it after waking up. This research makes me feel a bit more normal.
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On holiday with friends, we got into the habit of a group of us suddenly waking someone up and asking stupid questions or saying stupid stuff.
"Wake Up!!! Wake Up!!! What's the captial of Paris? What's the captial of Paris? What's the captial of Paris?"
"Uhh, duhhh, uhhh, France!, uhh, no, no, Paris, uhh France?"
or even
"Wake Up!!! Wake Up!!! The Zebras have escaped!! The Zebras have escaped!! The Zebras have escaped!!"
"Uhh, uhh, Zebras, oh no, shit, Zebras, where, no, shit, what, Zebras?"
There's definatly a period of a few seconds after waking up when you have no idea what's going on around you. (And it's even worse when a bunch of gits start taking advantage of the fact.)
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When I first wake up in the morning, I feel like someone has taken a baseball bat and nailed me in the back of the head with it. This is related to some serious headache issues I have, but it leads me to something else.
My cognitive abilities upon waking are nearly non-existent: I've been known to slur words and been unable to string together a coherent sentence.
My physical abilities aren't much better: I've fallen down the stairs, walked into doors, and walked into walls.
What's scary is that for years I've been on call for various employers (ISPs mostly). When that pager goes off and I have to wake up and troubleshoot a problem, just getting to my office downstairs can be dangerous. Then trying to "rev up" my brain to work on the problem can take a long time. You should talk to some of my coworkers who've called me in the middle of the night for help with a problem - I'm sure that the conversation sounded like one with a person who has been drinking heavily.
I have no difficulty at all in believing that waking up makes some people so groggy that their abilities are no better than those of someone who is drunk. And when that person needs to make decisions with serious consequences, that is not a good thing.
Now you just watch: In a while, some nanny-wannabe CONgress-critter will introduce a law making it illegal to drive within 30 min after waking up, with penalties equal to the ineffective drunk-driving laws... I can see it now...
Somethimes when i wake up ... i just fall over or when people wake me up i somethimes seem to be speaking irrationally and mixing words up or answering questions they never asked... its creepy but there's nothing i can do to control it....
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Which comes to the solution: Wake'n Bake!
Waking up is like getting drunk in that I have an IQ of 12 and only a basic grasp of language. However far more potent is only sleeping 4 hours a day for 2 weeks then staying up 36+ hours to finish a 10,000 word dissertation. Towards the end I thought I was a hummming bird drinking nectar from a flower, disturbingly I woke up next to the toilet. Best I dont dwell.
In the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D.
And to think I've been waking up just ONCE a day with the sun all these years, when I could be enjoying it in moderation!
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The articule didn't mention it but doesn't the amount of sleep you dad before you wake also affect the speed at which you wake? From my experience waking up after 7-8h of sleep only takes a few seconds, but waking up after >10h can take a few minutes...
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it is. :-/
Of course, waking up is optional and there are many adults who chose never to try it.
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I get some pretty weird ideas when I'm first waking up. I always use the snooze alarm, setting the clock to start half an hour before I actually have to get up, because I like to sort of 'ease into' waking up. But sometimes, when I'm particularly fatigued, I get strange ideas about what is going on with the alarm clock. On a few occasions, I've hit the snooze and thought to myself, "I'm tired, but at least I have this button that gives me 10 more minutes of sleep," and I would translate this as, "Good thing I can travel back in time by 10 minutes, I can keep this up indefinitely until I am bored with sleeping!" Then there'll be a harsh moment of panic when I actually look at the clock and realize that the time travel isn't working right for some reason.
:)
Other times, back when I was learning the guitar, I had the weirdest notion that the pulsing tone of the alarm clock was actually a musical scale of a particular key, and I've have to guess what key it was as I hit the button. Then I'd lie back down to wait for the next "test". The clock was a monotone, but I'd declare, "C minor!" and would feel that I had gotten it right, and I would get it right each time with different answers.
Why does Slashdot always link to the actual site via some random word in the middle of the article? It's very disorienting.
More and more studies come out saying studies are just that, studies.
/. is late on this one, I saw this on the news last weekend.
Not, experiments!
Not, hypothesis!
Not, anything more then an observation of a few hundred... Oh wait CORRECTION!!!
SIXTEEN!!!! subjects.
Junk! It's not even close to news worthy.
It cracks me up that people even spent the time. They probably were pressured to publish SOMETHING or lose their money.
Also,
Oh well, back to the normal work load, because according to this study I should stay up and not be groggy, but I'm sure I have seen OTHER studies that indicate we need atleast 8 hours of sleep. I should do a study to see if the grogginess comes from the fact that Americans are working themselves into this state...
bleh. Lame "science".
It just depends on who you wanna believe
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How much tax payer money went to a federal grant to fund this study? They could have paid me half that amount and I could have told them that.
Waking up is "awakening". When you awaken, your senses come alive, and are sometimes overwhelmed.
Waking up - when it works like it should, results in your dream-state ending, and regular, daytime conciousness being dumped into reality like so many bowling balls out of a gunnysack. It's like Frankenstein getting the neckbolts juiced, and the table being rotated into upright.
Sleep goes away very quickly and cleanly, when there's nothing getting in the way.
Waking up in the morning after having eaten dinner at 10:00, and ice cream, cookies, and desserts at 10:45, then passing out. When you try to wake up your brain and mind, when the rest of your body is heavily into sluggish digestion, it will be like being drunk, because the same thing is happening.
Ask Ben Franklin if after he rose early, he felt as if he were drunk. The whole point of the "early bed/early rise" thing is that it's *not* like being drunk.
I've found this to be more or less true. In fact, when people who have never been drunk before ask me to describe it to them, I explain it as "like pulling an all-nighter [staying up all night doing work due the next day], but drinking massive amounts of coffee [to negate the overwhelming desire to earn the nickname "Rip Van Winkle"]...only more fun." I think it's the loss of any concentration abilities whatsoever that's makes one like the other.
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Has anyone else noticed that no matter how early you wake up, you still arrive at the office at 10am. Everything seems to take exponentially longer when I wake up earlier, eg. shower at 7am takes 25 minutes, shower at 9am takes 5 minutes. Just as every task slows down as you get more and more intoxicated!
This problem of getting to full cognitive capacity after waking is a serious one in some professions.
The Army is an obvious example, although in a combat situation I believe most soldiers learn to be alert very quickly. Let's take it closer to home. I work in IT and I'm on call 24 hours. Fortunately the times I've needed to get up in the middle of the night are extremely rare, but when we have had a problem I know I haven't been at my best. If we ever had a real emergency I'm not sure if I would be able to get up at 2am and function properly.
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This effect is also very easy to notice on Sunday morning!
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Yes! My favorite quote from the late Frank Sinatra applies: "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." Hossicle
My theory is there's a boot-period for your brain just like a boot period when your computer turns on. The first five minutes after waking is POST, kernel module loading, login, starting the desktop...
I though i was alone there for a while. Great we have a studdy that shows these issue. Do we have a treatment? Reccomendations? Seriously it takes me anywhere from 5-20 minutes to "wake up" in the morning.
This is also why they always have a period before dawn when everyone is awake. When I was in the 82nd, on field exercises we would always wake up around 4:30, well before BMNT (morning twilight). The idea is that historically dawn has been the best time for an attack, because it's the time when people are least alert, so waking everyone up well before dawn is a hedge against an enemy's dawn attack.
Knowing that the military figured this out from experience, and that most people know it instinctively, it's hard not to wonder why someone thought it necessary to quantify this.
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It has been recognized for a long time that driving (esp. long-distance driving), or flying, while sleepy, can be as dangerous, or more dangerous, than being drunk. This is probably because of the sustained attention that has to be paid to the job at hand in these professions, and the high and obvious consequences of mistakes. That's why there are federal rules governing the number of hours of work that can be done both short and long term, particularly in aviation. IIRC, truck drivers now may not drive longer than 12 hours at a stretch without a rest period, specifically because of the high proportion of truck accidents that occured after 12 hours on duty.
If we could actually make an easy, simple to administer test for sleepiness levels, it might provide a basis to stop encouraging the "60 hours a week means you are a wimp" mentality that seems prevalent at many corporations. Sleep is not an optional thing, and lack of sleep has definite effects on personality, performance, judgement, reasoning ability, and powers of concentration. While regularly forgoing enough sleep might appear to enhance productivity in the short term, in the long term it takes a toll on you. There are lots of rumors about the effects of long-term sleep deprivation, for instance this link which claims that for every year beyond 55 you work, you lose 2 years off of your lifespan http://www.fedex401k.com/News.html, but I would love to see links directly to comprehensive studies of the long term effects of sleep deprivation.
I think that a society that encourages a lack of proper rest has a lot of people only functioning at half-steam, but to change that, one needs to be able to scientifically quantify sleepiness, which as far as I know has not been done. Anyone know different?
how can you write about a study that did research on 16 people.
this number of participants is nowhere near scientific. it must be a joke.
For some reason I'm reminded of a bumper sticker I once saw:
Beer! It's the reason I get up in the afternoon!
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
The problem is that the world is ruled and owned by fucking morning people.
Chipper morning people with no ability to understand that, to us, MORNINGS SUCK.
"Why don't you just get up earlier?" makes me want to say "Why don't you just curl up an die?"
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
...build this into an alarm clock?
I'm also amused by my stint in big companies that they seem to be alright with waking people up in the middle of the night in order to have them fix something on multi-million-dollar systems doing huge financial transactions.
For a while, I was the guy staying up all night for a large bank, calling the day-shifters when something broke. The people were very good about it, and generally were able to cope with this, but I always thought it was a recipie for disaster.
I find it difficult to make good decisions during my normal waking hours if I'm very tired, let alone being awakened a few hours after having gone to sleep and asked complex questions during my normal sleep time.
When I wake up, I can barely stand or walk, and can stumble into things, pass out in the shower, or pass out in traffic, or just black out my entire 1 hour commute to work.
It's no coincidence that the one wreck I've been in in the past 10 years of the 1 hour commute was on a morning when I forgot to take my second cup of coffee with me for the ride. Presumably forgotten due to 'sleep inertia'. =D Try to explain that to my insurance company tho.
Another one for the "Journal of Obvious results" - just how much government funding is spent on this stuff? -Frank
There's an awful lot of "common sense" knowledge that turns out to be wrong. Some things are just counter-intuitive, some are easy to misinterpret.
Anyone looking at the apparent motion of the sun and moon over the course of a day would reasonably assume that both revolve around the Earth. The sun comes up, the sun goes down. Over time, people who took careful notes of the movements of the planets noticed that things didn't quite line up, and eventually they realized that it could easily be explained if Earth revolved around the sun and just rotated once a day. Since then we've sent out spacecraft based on this theory and they've gotten where they're supposed to, which suggests we're on the right track.
Until then, "common sense" said otherwise.
It's always worth double-checking common sense to confirm it. Sometimes you'll find out that, yes, people are groggy when they first wake up, and maybe you'll even find out why and be able to deal with it. Sometimes you'll find out that there isn't enough tryptophan in turkey to put people to sleep after a Thanksgiving dinner, and the reason they're drowsing off is just that they've eaten too much food.
I think not everyone is groggy for long after waking up, because some people get enough sleep. It's more common for people to sleep less than 7hours a night these days, so it's more common to know groggy people.
Do they call it "groggy" because it's as if you've had too much "grog"?
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Seeing as CU usually rates in the top 20 party schools, I think the guy probably just really does wake up drunk.
When my wife wakes up she is neither the coherent nor the pleasant person that I married.
Maybe I should stop having her drive me to work in the morning.
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
BEFORE I fell down the stairs.
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In ordinary (not drugged) sleep, your body usually moves enough to prevent any lasting damage from restricted bloodflow. In the Megadeth case, the guy fell asleep in a chair, with his arm over the back of it. That's a bit different than ordinary sleeping in a bed. Moral of the story: if you're going to play it cool and strike a casual pose, don't fall asleep while doing it.
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My job situation is similar (fortunately, it's only one week in four), and by chance or design, it takes me about 2-3 minutes to get in a position to actually do something about a call that comes in, namely:
Cell phone rings. I answer it. Stumble out of bed, mumble something into the phone about getting to my computer, head to my work room. Kick the cat out of the chair if necessary. Open up the laptop, wait for it to come out of sleep mode (if I've got to do it, then the computer should too), unlock the screen, and connect to the VPN.
By the time I'm in the network, my brain's at processing speed. If I'm really lucky, the problem resolution takes little enough time that the brain doesn't have to get out of second gear, and falling back asleep is pretty easy. And if it's a real emergency, I've had enough lag time to be alert enough to think it through.
We can believe in you for 3 minutes, but beyond that, even the King of All Cosmos can't be expected to wait.
The hours cap for residents is 80 hours. It used to be worse, but nobody's gonna argue that they're really down to a sensible number yet. The 80 hours doesn't include things like the regular conferences theey have to attend as part of residency, either-- just the shifts they work. Some of which are as long as 30 hours. (My SO just got off work around noon today. She went in at 5am yesterday. They have to give them a day off after a shift like that, but apparently working until noon counts as "off.")
There have only been guidelines for resident work hours since 2003. 2003. It took that long for somebody to say "wow, 110 hour weeks and 2-day shifts with no sleep is probably bad for the patients AND the doctors." Unfortunately, residents are cheap, and hospitals work them like this to keep costs down.
Depending on which guidelines you're talking about, I'm not sure there's a fine involved, either. The only teeth the rules my SO is under have is that the residency could lose its accreditation. Are you really gonna complain about the hours if it means the program you're in will vanish? There may be some better state/local rules in other places.
The worst part is that the hospitals are fully aware of studies like these. My SO is required to attend "sleep etiquette" classes several times a year that warn them about the dangers of not getting enough sleep and make all sorts of dire threats. And the SAME DAMN PEOPLE then schedule her for 80 hours of work, 30 hour shifts, and the additional weekly hours of meetings that go with the residency. They even tried to suggest that nobody was allowed to drive home after the 30-hour shifts because it was like driving drunk. Yes, it was okay 30 minutes ago for that person to be working in the ER, but they shouldn't drive? That makes sense. And, of course, the hospital had nowhere for all the off-shift docs to sleep.
Blargh. Hospitals are incredibly cheap. So cheap it's killing people.
Sounds like you need to track the length of your sleep cycle, and make sure your sleep period is a multiple of that -- ie. make sure you're not being awakened during the middle of a deep sleep cycle (which WILL finish its normal run, even if you're nominally up and moving).
Frex, mine is about 2.5 hours. I can scrape by on two cycles, but I really need three. So I need to budget a dead minimum of 5 contiguous hours for sleep, but 7.5 hours is much better.
So long as I wake up at the end of a sleep cycle, I'm up and at'em immediately. But if I get woke up in the middle of the cycle, especially deep sleep, it takes me a while to get going. (REM sleep is much easier to come out of.)
Tho unlike most people, I'm not "stupid" when not properly awake (I can make reliably-correct responses to a middle-of-night emergency). But I'm also overall a very light sleeper and fairly aware of my surroundings.
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No, that was just the excuse your brother gave you when he was locked in the bathroom for hours on end (while he was actually "exploring" his body).
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I generally don't have so much of a problem when waking up from a normal night's sleep, but if I take a brief catnap of an hour or two, I often wake up with what does feel very much like mild drunkenness. My coordination is off, I feel too tall and light, and there's this general warm buzz drowning out much of the world around me. The length of sensation is usually fairly short, 10 minutes at the most, but I remember one time when it lasted over a half hour, which was one very interesting shamble across campus to class.
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Actually it would be better to make the low alarm at something like 60 minutes before you have to wake up, as the likelihood of you finishing a sleep cycle within a 5 minute period of time is only around 5%. Then you should go to bed at a time that makes sure the amount of hours you have slept when you reach the 60 minute window is a multiple of 1.5. If you fall asleep easily, you can make the 60 minute window smaller, but don't make it too small as the sleep cycle varies between people and you need some extra minutes for the variation. If you want to go to sleep whenever you want to, then make the window 100 minutes and you'll be guaranteed to finish a cycle between the two alarms.
I hope they go on to show that sleeping is like being passed out. I think we need to make this absolutely clear. In case anyone was just sleeping 5 minutes ago.
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Everyone says I look stoned in the morning, so I beleive them. This is a good excuse for when I get stoned at night and wake up still stoned. :P j/k
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Oddly enough, I just experienced this today. I had been taking a nap (since I was pretty short on sleep) between classes and work today. I woke up from my nap still feeling tired, but I forced myself to get up, because I wanted to get stuff done and not just sleep until work. I sat at my computer for about 15 minutes, still feeling groggy. I cranked up some music to try to wake me up- to no effect. I eventually left the house to get something to eat.
/. to find this article... weird.
On the drive to Taco Bell, my response times were slightly slowed, and my thought processes weren't very deep. However, I noticed that I was tired before I got in my car, so I made a conscious effort to not let that endanger my drive. For example, I kept a longer following distance, and made sure to use my turn signal well in advance, etc. I have never been drunk, but I definitely felt like my driving was not quite up to par.
I have driven while tired before, but for some odd reason I was more conscious about it today. Then I came back to
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I can visualize things much more lucidly than at any other point in the day. I often exploit this time by remaining in bed with my eyes closed, thinking about any mechanical, graph, or otherwise visual-oriented problems that I have to work on. If I could maintain that difference in ability through the entire day, I'd be one happy camper.
The few times that I have consumed alcohol on the other hand, I've become a useless, vapid douche that laughs at everything.
....I mean look at the way these threads have been modded, and modded into the wrong category....(I mean after all, isn't it morning in India right now?)
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I was camping this summer in Florida and woke up to find a cockroach digging around in my bellybutton. I got him out but unfortunately I crushed and killed him in the process. The next 30 minutes was spent with a flashlight trying to pick out roach parts out of my navel.
It was so nasty I almost gagged. I have a strong stomach (I go camping often) and not much gets to me but the thought of that was very disturbing.
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