If I miss and no damage is caused it's not a crime, you could argue intent but that's a different topic.
After writing I did have another thought, He did break UK law, he also broke US law. Due to the nature of the internet he was able to break the laws in 2 countries at the sametime. So in theory he should be tried and sentenced in the UK, then after he has served his sentence in the UK, he should be deported to be tried and sentenced in the US.
Ahh, but that's the messy part. Was the crime really committed in the UK? After all the servers were physically in the US.
Going to over simplify this but lets assume you have an house and your house is beside the border of France and Spain. Lets also assume that border is only 1inch wide and you have a window facing that border. I throw a brick and smash your window, where was the offence committed?
After all throwing a brick isn't illegal, it was only when it hit your window it became a crime but your window was on the other side of the border.
So yes there are laws about trespassing on a computer in the UK however the systems he trespassed on were in the states.
In saying all this, if he was going to be tried fairly then I would say yes deportation is right, I am purely against it as since 9/11 American's have lost the plot, Girl getting locked up for saying she had a bomb as a joke (stupid yes, but hardly a major crime when it was clear she was joking), but as they are likely to make an example of him and the punishment will in no way fit the crime in this case I am against his deportation.
Oh right, so webservers arn't an important part of the internet then?
I have a blog on my webserver, can't say I'd label it as an "important part of the internet" though.
Had he compromised the root DNS servers, ok, that would be damaging an "important part of the internet"
And as for it being long ago, so was WW2. Perhaps we should just let old nazi murderers have a nice peaceful retirement too?
What age are you 12? Seriously, comparing compromising a few computers with genocide..
Since I have karma to burn, Well you make a good point, tbh we might as well as those we haven't caught have already enjoyed the majority of their remaining years. It probably costs more than it is worth just to spend the next 5years trying, appealing and finally convicting them. Lets face it those that don't die during the trial will at best only serve 5years before they die in prison.
I wonder then if i can charge my partner for not having sex with me.. I am after all an authorized user of that service and she did deny me last night..:D
I'm gonna say for worse considering the fact we now have wee shits that use the word "like" every other word, drink cider on the street corners and think tracksuits are fashionable..
Hold on there a moment.. If we let our kids do things that are remotely strenuous they might get hurt then the parents could sue the troop..
I shouldn't be old enough to say "Back in my day" but due to how much has changed I think I can so..
Back in my day there was a game British Bull Dogs we used to play it in scouts all the time, it got banned in a lot of troops before ours due to girls being allowed to join (see below for rant on that). In our it got banned because scouting HQ told us to as it was "Too dangerous". Come on in the 12years (beavers to scouts) I was in the scouting movement, I think we had one guy split his head open, one or two sprained wrists and the odd bumped head.
Rant Begins:
Ok wtf are Girls allowed to join scouts for? Seriously, that's why there are Guides and brownies, etc..
Now
half the even semi rough games are banned because you might touch some girl's underdeveloped tit
troops have to buy extra camping equipment because they can't share tents increasing their costs
If there is no female leader present then noone can go camping or do any sort of planned activity in case she has "girl problems" or someone is accused of touching her or some shit like that.
Don't get me wrong I used to hope we were camping on a guide site or the guides would be camping at the same time as us, but I never wanted girls to be allowed into scouts. It ruins the experience due to the limitations that have to be imposed all in the interests of "equal opportunities"
what if you delete the root user and replace it with your username and passwd? silly thing to do yes but still i wonder what applies then. it's then your user account with system privileges
Even better, If they move those factories the employees instead of having shit conditions and crap pay will have no conditions, no pay and no food..
So while I am "supporting" harsh conditions and low pay I am at least keeping them in a Job. The "do gooders" that are complaining and demanding a crack down are achieving nothing other than getting them all sacked.
Slashdot Mirror
If I miss and no damage is caused it's not a crime, you could argue intent but that's a different topic.
After writing I did have another thought, He did break UK law, he also broke US law. Due to the nature of the internet he was able to break the laws in 2 countries at the sametime. So in theory he should be tried and sentenced in the UK, then after he has served his sentence in the UK, he should be deported to be tried and sentenced in the US.
What kind of idiot would store their details / important confidential data on their web server? That goes for companies as well
You're right, So when are we going to bring the catholic church to task for the crusades?
BTW I am not suggesting that seven years is too far in the past
You forget. "Everyone is equal, just some are more equal than others"
and the crime was committed in the UK
Ahh, but that's the messy part. Was the crime really committed in the UK? After all the servers were physically in the US.
Going to over simplify this but lets assume you have an house and your house is beside the border of France and Spain. Lets also assume that border is only 1inch wide and you have a window facing that border. I throw a brick and smash your window, where was the offence committed?
After all throwing a brick isn't illegal, it was only when it hit your window it became a crime but your window was on the other side of the border.
So yes there are laws about trespassing on a computer in the UK however the systems he trespassed on were in the states.
In saying all this, if he was going to be tried fairly then I would say yes deportation is right, I am purely against it as since 9/11 American's have lost the plot, Girl getting locked up for saying she had a bomb as a joke (stupid yes, but hardly a major crime when it was clear she was joking), but as they are likely to make an example of him and the punishment will in no way fit the crime in this case I am against his deportation.
Oh right, so webservers arn't an important part of the internet then?
I have a blog on my webserver, can't say I'd label it as an "important part of the internet" though.
Had he compromised the root DNS servers, ok, that would be damaging an "important part of the internet"
And as for it being long ago, so was WW2. Perhaps we should just let old nazi murderers have a nice peaceful retirement too?
What age are you 12? Seriously, comparing compromising a few computers with genocide..
Since I have karma to burn, Well you make a good point, tbh we might as well as those we haven't caught have already enjoyed the majority of their remaining years. It probably costs more than it is worth just to spend the next 5years trying, appealing and finally convicting them. Lets face it those that don't die during the trial will at best only serve 5years before they die in prison.
Just watch, some games include 3rd party DRM.
No need to get excited though: there is a word of difference between a hung and hanged! ;-)
such a shame I for one would vote to hang them all..
Oh I know that. I thought you meant it detected it correctly and added it as a boot option...
I wonder then if i can charge my partner for not having sex with me.. I am after all an authorized user of that service and she did deny me last night.. :D
Interesting.. I wasn't aware of that.
I'm gonna say for worse considering the fact we now have wee shits that use the word "like" every other word, drink cider on the street corners and think tracksuits are fashionable..
Maybe the mod had higher standards for jokes...
Why is that a bug? MS hasn't ever detected dual boot properly.
Well to be fair noone trusts an XBOX player.. PC Gamers now that's where it's at..
Oh and can you tell me where the right click for the M16 is?
I shouldn't be old enough to say "Back in my day" but due to how much has changed I think I can so..
Back in my day there was a game British Bull Dogs we used to play it in scouts all the time, it got banned in a lot of troops before ours due to girls being allowed to join (see below for rant on that). In our it got banned because scouting HQ told us to as it was "Too dangerous". Come on in the 12years (beavers to scouts) I was in the scouting movement, I think we had one guy split his head open, one or two sprained wrists and the odd bumped head.
Rant Begins:
Ok wtf are Girls allowed to join scouts for? Seriously, that's why there are Guides and brownies, etc.. Now
Don't get me wrong I used to hope we were camping on a guide site or the guides would be camping at the same time as us, but I never wanted girls to be allowed into scouts. It ruins the experience due to the limitations that have to be imposed all in the interests of "equal opportunities"
Each scout troop must select 12 players to play Battlefield 2.
We are not training child soldiers... honest..
that is decent. its $36.5K per year not bad to sit on your ass doing nothing. hell its better than i get.
what if you delete the root user and replace it with your username and passwd? silly thing to do yes but still i wonder what applies then. it's then your user account with system privileges
he should issue the city with a dmca notice for his network
So bascially he is more suited for the cook job than ever before.
Because the US missile just delievers a small flag that has the word "BANG" written in large colourful letters.
Surely then the defense is to ensure your ships cook is Steven Seagal?
Is it wrong that when I saw the picture all I could think was look at those lazy gits sleeping on the job?
Even better, If they move those factories the employees instead of having shit conditions and crap pay will have no conditions, no pay and no food..
So while I am "supporting" harsh conditions and low pay I am at least keeping them in a Job. The "do gooders" that are complaining and demanding a crack down are achieving nothing other than getting them all sacked.
I wonder who they'll thank.
Nor was it Amazon's...
It was just a thought, if i could screw a large corp and get away with it fine, but not some random guy.