a) I'd like to see a lawsuit like that fly in an at-will state. BTW I'm not a shitty employee; I *am* the hiring, firing, 2nd-in-command-of-everything manager of a big fat 60 employee data center with rural outsourced (Oklahoma) customer support reps.
b) "Who moved my cheese?" was a pack of horseshit. The cheese not only gets moved, but it gets cut in half, too.
c) Finding another island is nice in theory, but have you ever tried moving to India to get a tech job? In this economy, the jobs are mobile as heck, but the work force isn't. Go ahead, try to move to India. Write me in your will first, though, I ain't counting on you making it back alive, especially if you can't lose the appetite for Six Dollar burgers.
(oh boy, now it's time to insert the "I'm in India, it's easy to get/live here" b.s. stories from people who probably can't even spell the name of the dominant language there [note: that's a trick question])
Employers can now threaten to fire you, then give your next employer a negative job reference, and at the same time replace you with cheap illegal immigrants, H1B visa holders, or outsource their work overseas.
It's called maintaining an employer's market. In an employer's market, there are far more job seekers than jobs. An employer then becomes the economic equivalent of the only female on an island full of men.
That is Communist China, is it not? Or are you arguing that it is happening in alternative-universe China? Sidereal China? Capitalist and Democratic China? Huh? Help me out here. If it isn't happening in Communist China then where is it happening?
Here's a reading comprehension aid for you: I said it was happening in China, not because of Communism. I do stand by the fact that the Communists' One Child Policy is at fault for this despicable tradition reinfesting China. Call that racist. Call that whatever. But it is 100% irrefutable FACT.
Now please, tell us all again, in the name of abject intellectual dishonesty, that female infanticide does not occur in Communist China. What part of what I said was racist or wrong? The part where Chinese girls are being killed (at some time during their pre and post natal development) with prejudice? Or that it was happening in Communist China?
I'm totally sick of your lies, and I have karma to spare.
Female infanticide is a major problem in Communist China
Female infanticide was brought back by the one child policy
and the men in Communist China are going to pay. Dearly.
That is not racism. That is not ignorance.
That is a fact that millions of Chinese men are going to face with a level of reality so vivid and frightening that their lamentations will be heard loud and clear for generations to come, in all corners of the world.
Please, carry on with your Holocaust Denial, and bring on those Holocaust denial moderators. The families who have wrought this horror upon womankind in China will still pay for their crimes against women, even if this post goes to -1.
A stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.
I love your logic even more: It's hard to do, so we can't do it. Humankind has proven your logic wrong so often it's utterly laughable. I suppose the Flat Earth Society will teach me a lesson soon with their accumulated mod points, though.:)
"The main issue, is that the idea of hundreds of millions of people leaving Earth in spaceships is so pie-in-the-sky, it's ridiculous."
Kinda like we all knew the world was flat and that humans could never reach the moon, and all that jazz.
Colonizing another planet is no longer a technological question; it's now an engineering and determination question. It can happen, and if enough people backed by enough scientists decide it must, then it will.
In America, population control efforts would start with eliminating the poor and ethnically incorrect. Where do you think Margaret Sanger came from?
I'm a liberal and my biggest beef with my brethren is their Margaret Sanger mentality. When neo cons discredit themselves into oblivion you'll see them hawking Sangerism again.
John Campbell and the rest of them got caught in the Bell Curve Effect - just like when Graham Bell beat Elisha Gray to the patent office, Gene Roddenberry beat the others because the others got caught in a time dilation field where time slows down when you approach the speed of light. Gene Roddenberry's "Warp Speed" uses Deus Ex Machina technology to nullify time dilation and thus Captain Christopher Pike made it to the front steps of patent office first. Technically speaking, that is.
But then he had an... accident... and Captain Kirk actually got into the office and filed the patent.
Of course we heard Captain Pike had an accident in space and landed on a distant forbidden planet, but that was just a cover up.
Wrong. Overcrowded cities are dens of crime and black holes for opportunity. People drain out of big cities to small ones all the time, just ask us Californians. New lands are places of fresh opportunity and draw tons of immigrants. America is a prime example of that.
In the wild west, they had many kids in a family but they didn't treat kids like a few were just destined to die. Families with 13 children generally tried to take care of them all. Generally.
If we stay stuck on Earth we are going to continue to overpopulate the planet until we consume ourselves to death. Population control is inevitable if we do not expand, and with population control comes the cheapening and commoditization of every human life.
Of course the alternative is we can find new worlds to populate.
I was born in Olathe, Kansas and currently work in Coarsegold, California. Perhaps you're mistaking me for someone else.
That's hardly material. You talk like East Indians have some God given right to economic progress at the expense of your own fellow countrymen's jobs. East Indians have two rights - Jack and Shit. Actually, three - the third is to provide for themselves.
When one is dying of thirst, one does not reject the offer of a leaky cup.
Except in this case the leaky cup is laced with cyanide.
You don't have a God given right to our jobs, either. You forgot that conveniently.
And don't talk in one breath about how America's market economy prevents mass genocide and then dis America for its mass genocide in the next breath. You're talking out of both sides of your face now.
And we have a God given right to do whatever is necessary to defend our livelihoods. What power are you proposing is available to stop us? No history book will refute that fact. We asserted our God given rights against Germany, Japan and the USSR. Who are you to say what our rights are? Are you stronger than all of them? If America gets mad enough and decides we want to keep our jobs and our middle class, what power do you have to stop them? Are you some omnipotent being that I haven't seen before, that will bring your most holy hand down and stop us?
Yes, expect change. Expect your God given right to have our jobs suddenly disappear when our consumer market collapses due to shrinking incomes and exploding debt. Expect America to get pissed off and demand that you build your economy on your own domestic blood sweat and tears instead of taking our jobs and stolen IP to do it. Laws against offshoring are cropping up in places like Arizona and state legislatures around the country, starting with offshoring Government jobs. Next we'll be looking at the financial industry and consumer personal data.
Things will change. The result is American jobs will stop coming to you. Because our consumer dollars will stop coming.
You want tech jobs? Then make your own industry. Don't sit there with your hand out begging for us to send our jobs to you. We do not owe you that.
And a man's duty is to his family before his country, and to his country before the world. The only way your "my family is the world of humanity at large" can ever be sensibly true is if we have a one world government.
By the way I'm going to now remind you of a key point that you got scared of and did not address:
You know, we trade with a country right now that kills political dissidents, forces abortions, kills baby girls, and even kills political prisoners for organ donations. Ever since we started trading with them, they have refused to soften their policies. In fact, they've added to the mix some new technology, courtesy of American corporations: DIGITAL CENSORSHIP.
FACT: free trade has set that nation's citizens BACK because they've used our technology to censor even more information than before.
Question: Do you know what nation that is?
Most free trade advocates - AKA cheap labor conservatives - such as you - don't like to be reminded of that basic fact.
Well, sure, I would have traded with Hitler. A country with a healthy, trade-based economy doesn't commit genocide or start world wars.
ROTFLMAO!!! I can think of one such country that killed millions of Africans and native Americans, and is involved in an invastion of a foreign nation that wasn't threatening us. Can you guess which one that is?
I can also think of another such country that kills millions of baby girls a year in the name of its one-child policy. Can you tell me which one that is?
A country that does its level best to isolate its internal interests from those of the world around it, on the other hand.... well, history tells us what to expect in that case.
Brazil. So how many Jews did they gas?
I would have traded with Nazi Germany, while the measures you're advocating would turn us into Nazi Germany.
You know, we trade with a country right now that kills political dissidents, forces abortions, kills baby girls, and even kills political prisoners for organ donations. Ever since we started trading with them, they have refused to soften their policies. In fact, they've added to the mix some new technology, courtesy of American corporations: DIGITAL CENSORSHIP.
FACT: free trade has set that nation's citizens BACK because they've used our technology to censor even more information than before.
Question: Do you know what nation that is?
Again: if free trade is good externally, it's good internally, too.
BZZT. Wrong. You have no facts to back this up.
There's no cosmic mandate that entitles you to live better than five hundred million equally-qualified Indians.
There's no cosmic mandate that entitles five hundred equally qualified Indians to have America's jobs. If they want to prosper then they can do it the same way America did: develop their own industry!
And America has a God given right to tax anything that comes into this country from beyond its borders. If you disagree, feel free to invade us and see if we lack the firepower to stop you. Hint: I bet we have more nukes to repel invaders than you have invading troops to send.
If you can sustain your current position only at the point of a gun, that's a problem for all of us.
Tough titties. I'm all for protecting my nation's livelihood. If you don't like it, then invade. Or better yet, cut your exports to us. But remember, there's no God given right for you and your poor Indians to make a living either, and if we stop buying your stuff, then what will you do?
Offshoring is depleting the American consumer's ability to buy stuff. The middle class is shrinking as we speak. http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=249 Eventually East India's God given right to a better living, will go away when our buying power is no longer sustainable by credit debt.
What is more popular: More flash (prettier graphics)? More story line? Is there a huge market for games that have big story lines but fewer cut scenes? How about nonlinear play?
Will single player games (or 1-4 on the console) continue to thrive or is the future in MMORPG's?
And I don't need a lot of laws. All I have to do is make one law. "If you are producing goods for America in countries where wages are low and working conditions are crap, there is a big, BIG tax on it."
That covers those jobs moving to India.
BTW I like how you equate patriotism with nationalism.
I care about my country more than yours. My family more than yours. Without even a shred of apology.
"Hello, this is the Government. Due to the results of the last election, we've got a mandate to block new H1B's from arriving, and to heavily tax your for your offshoring. That imported product will get taxed at 150%. Have a nice day!"
I think it comes down to a confusion of responsibility. Decades ago, people would have known that the hurricane was coming and that it would be big. They would have taken the personal responsibility to get the hell out of dodge. Boat, plane, train, hitchhike, hike, swim . . . ANYTHING, just to get the hell out. But it's the new millennium, and people are used to being coddled by their government, which has been arrogating more and more power to itself so that people think it's omnipotent.
Then on the other hand, you turn right around a few months after Hurricane Katrina, and lo and behold you see the example of all the
yeehaw ride 'em cowboy well to do hard working self sufficient ah don't need no steenkin eeevil Gub'mint cuz ah pull mahself up by mah bootstraps NON BLACK Texans
driving out of Houston in their shiny new cow horns adorned cars, only to be stuck in massive traffic jams that left them right smack dab in the path of Hurricane Rita.
Fortunately the Texans didn't get hit while stuck on those roads.
I guess that means all those poor black people in New Orleans just deserved to die because they had no cars to drive out in...
God, I just love the arrogance of the oh so Christian right wing...
Just because people don't realize that we need NASA's huge projects, doesn't mean they are unnecessary.
The market is all about perceived need, whereas NASA is run by scientists who have done credible research that determines what we REALLY need.
My previous post was making fun of the "free market decides everything" crowd.. which is probably why they got back at me by modding me down as a "troll"...
Slashdot Mirror
The IP address for them doesn't exist, or at east that is the error all the torrent clients on 4 networks on 2 different backbones all tell me.
I HATE installing an OS on multiple CD's...
I'm thinking of 4 words: :)
armed
to
the
teeth.
a) I'd like to see a lawsuit like that fly in an at-will state. BTW I'm not a shitty employee; I *am* the hiring, firing, 2nd-in-command-of-everything manager of a big fat 60 employee data center with rural outsourced (Oklahoma) customer support reps.
b) "Who moved my cheese?" was a pack of horseshit. The cheese not only gets moved, but it gets cut in half, too.
c) Finding another island is nice in theory, but have you ever tried moving to India to get a tech job? In this economy, the jobs are mobile as heck, but the work force isn't. Go ahead, try to move to India. Write me in your will first, though, I ain't counting on you making it back alive, especially if you can't lose the appetite for Six Dollar burgers.
(oh boy, now it's time to insert the "I'm in India, it's easy to get/live here" b.s. stories from people who probably can't even spell the name of the dominant language there [note: that's a trick question])
Employers can now threaten to fire you, then give your next employer a negative job reference, and at the same time replace you with cheap illegal immigrants, H1B visa holders, or outsource their work overseas.
It's called maintaining an employer's market. In an employer's market, there are far more job seekers than jobs. An employer then becomes the economic equivalent of the only female on an island full of men.
The parent post should be one of the BEST of slashdot.
None of your supposed resources refute my claim: female infanticide (including abortion) happens en masse in Communist China.
That is Communist China, is it not? Or are you arguing that it is happening in alternative-universe China? Sidereal China? Capitalist and Democratic China? Huh? Help me out here. If it isn't happening in Communist China then where is it happening?
Here's a reading comprehension aid for you: I said it was happening in China, not because of Communism. I do stand by the fact that the Communists' One Child Policy is at fault for this despicable tradition reinfesting China. Call that racist. Call that whatever. But it is 100% irrefutable FACT .
Now please, tell us all again, in the name of abject intellectual dishonesty, that female infanticide does not occur in Communist China. What part of what I said was racist or wrong? The part where Chinese girls are being killed (at some time during their pre and post natal development) with prejudice? Or that it was happening in Communist China?
I'm totally sick of your lies, and I have karma to spare.
Female infanticide is a major problem in Communist China
Female infanticide was brought back by the one child policy
and the men in Communist China are going to pay. Dearly.
That is not racism.
That is not ignorance.
That is a fact that millions of Chinese men are going to face with a level of reality so vivid and frightening that their lamentations will be heard loud and clear for generations to come, in all corners of the world.
Please, carry on with your Holocaust Denial, and bring on those Holocaust denial moderators. The families who have wrought this horror upon womankind in China will still pay for their crimes against women, even if this post goes to -1.
It happens all the time in communist China and it is a major part of their culture.
Here are some facts for other mods to read:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5953508
You were saying?
I love your logic even more: It's hard to do, so we can't do it. Humankind has proven your logic wrong so often it's utterly laughable. I suppose the Flat Earth Society will teach me a lesson soon with their accumulated mod points, though. :)
"The main issue, is that the idea of hundreds of millions of people leaving Earth in spaceships is so pie-in-the-sky, it's ridiculous."
Kinda like we all knew the world was flat and that humans could never reach the moon, and all that jazz.
Colonizing another planet is no longer a technological question; it's now an engineering and determination question. It can happen, and if enough people backed by enough scientists decide it must, then it will.
In America, population control efforts would start with eliminating the poor and ethnically incorrect. Where do you think Margaret Sanger came from?
I'm a liberal and my biggest beef with my brethren is their Margaret Sanger mentality. When neo cons discredit themselves into oblivion you'll see them hawking Sangerism again.
Here's some information on one of America's home grown population control advocates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
"Which will happen regardless of population control. You made it sound like that the population control would lower the value placed on human life."
d ex.cfm?DR_ID=11199
You disagree on that? Then ask the baby girls in China. That is, the ones that survived the gender selection purges going on there at the hands of their murderous parents.
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_in
Eugenics efforts also follow population control. Look up Margarent Sanger some time.
Population control is inherently about deciding who is more valuable and thus more suitable to breed, and who isn't.
John Campbell and the rest of them got caught in the Bell Curve Effect - just like when Graham Bell beat Elisha Gray to the patent office, Gene Roddenberry beat the others because the others got caught in a time dilation field where time slows down when you approach the speed of light. Gene Roddenberry's "Warp Speed" uses Deus Ex Machina technology to nullify time dilation and thus Captain Christopher Pike made it to the front steps of patent office first. Technically speaking, that is.
But then he had an... accident... and Captain Kirk actually got into the office and filed the patent.
Of course we heard Captain Pike had an accident in space and landed on a distant forbidden planet, but that was just a cover up.
Wrong. Overcrowded cities are dens of crime and black holes for opportunity. People drain out of big cities to small ones all the time, just ask us Californians. New lands are places of fresh opportunity and draw tons of immigrants. America is a prime example of that.
In the wild west, they had many kids in a family but they didn't treat kids like a few were just destined to die. Families with 13 children generally tried to take care of them all. Generally.
If we stay stuck on Earth we are going to continue to overpopulate the planet until we consume ourselves to death. Population control is inevitable if we do not expand, and with population control comes the cheapening and commoditization of every human life.
Of course the alternative is we can find new worlds to populate.
That's hardly material. You talk like East Indians have some God given right to economic progress at the expense of your own fellow countrymen's jobs. East Indians have two rights - Jack and Shit. Actually, three - the third is to provide for themselves.
Except in this case the leaky cup is laced with cyanide.
And don't talk in one breath about how America's market economy prevents mass genocide and then dis America for its mass genocide in the next breath. You're talking out of both sides of your face now.
And we have a God given right to do whatever is necessary to defend our livelihoods. What power are you proposing is available to stop us? No history book will refute that fact. We asserted our God given rights against Germany, Japan and the USSR. Who are you to say what our rights are? Are you stronger than all of them? If America gets mad enough and decides we want to keep our jobs and our middle class, what power do you have to stop them? Are you some omnipotent being that I haven't seen before, that will bring your most holy hand down and stop us?
Yes, expect change. Expect your God given right to have our jobs suddenly disappear when our consumer market collapses due to shrinking incomes and exploding debt. Expect America to get pissed off and demand that you build your economy on your own domestic blood sweat and tears instead of taking our jobs and stolen IP to do it. Laws against offshoring are cropping up in places like Arizona and state legislatures around the country, starting with offshoring Government jobs. Next we'll be looking at the financial industry and consumer personal data.
Things will change.
The result is American jobs will stop coming to you.
Because our consumer dollars will stop coming.
You want tech jobs? Then make your own industry. Don't sit there with your hand out begging for us to send our jobs to you. We do not owe you that.
And a man's duty is to his family before his country, and to his country before the world. The only way your "my family is the world of humanity at large" can ever be sensibly true is if we have a one world government.
By the way I'm going to now remind you of a key point that you got scared of and did not address:
Most free trade advocates - AKA cheap labor conservatives - such as you - don't like to be reminded of that basic fact.
ROTFLMAO!!! I can think of one such country that killed millions of Africans and native Americans, and is involved in an invastion of a foreign nation that wasn't threatening us. Can you guess which one that is?
I can also think of another such country that kills millions of baby girls a year in the name of its one-child policy. Can you tell me which one that is?
Brazil. So how many Jews did they gas?
You know, we trade with a country right now that kills political dissidents, forces abortions, kills baby girls, and even kills political prisoners for organ donations. Ever since we started trading with them, they have refused to soften their policies. In fact, they've added to the mix some new technology, courtesy of American corporations: DIGITAL CENSORSHIP.
FACT: free trade has set that nation's citizens BACK because they've used our technology to censor even more information than before.
Question: Do you know what nation that is?
BZZT. Wrong. You have no facts to back this up.
There's no cosmic mandate that entitles five hundred equally qualified Indians to have America's jobs. If they want to prosper then they can do it the same way America did: develop their own industry!
And America has a God given right to tax anything that comes into this country from beyond its borders. If you disagree, feel free to invade us and see if we lack the firepower to stop you. Hint: I bet we have more nukes to repel invaders than you have invading troops to send.
Tough titties. I'm all for protecting my nation's livelihood. If you don't like it, then invade. Or better yet, cut your exports to us. But remember, there's no God given right for you and your poor Indians to make a living either, and if we stop buying your stuff, then what will you do?
Offshoring is depleting the American consumer's ability to buy stuff. The middle class is shrinking as we speak. http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=249
Eventually East India's God given right to a better living, will go away when our buying power is no longer sustainable by credit debt.
I hope they're relevant.
What is more popular:
More flash (prettier graphics)?
More story line?
Is there a huge market for games that have big story lines but fewer cut scenes?
How about nonlinear play?
Will single player games (or 1-4 on the console) continue to thrive or is the future in MMORPG's?
I'd say that is informative and it's a fair warning, too.
if he offered you free trade.
And I don't need a lot of laws. All I have to do is make one law. "If you are producing goods for America in countries where wages are low and working conditions are crap, there is a big, BIG tax on it."
That covers those jobs moving to India.
BTW I like how you equate patriotism with nationalism.
I care about my country more than yours. My family more than yours. Without even a shred of apology.
at least, when it comes to how we manage our own affairs.
I'm also opposed to telling other nations how to run theirs.
"Hello, this is the Government. Due to the results of the last election, we've got a mandate to block new H1B's from arriving, and to heavily tax your for your offshoring. That imported product will get taxed at 150%. Have a nice day!"
Then on the other hand, you turn right around a few months after Hurricane Katrina, and lo and behold you see the example of all the
yeehaw
ride 'em cowboy
well to do
hard working
self sufficient
ah don't need no steenkin eeevil Gub'mint
cuz ah pull mahself up by mah bootstraps
NON BLACK Texans
driving out of Houston in their shiny new cow horns adorned cars, only to be stuck in massive traffic jams that left them right smack dab in the path of Hurricane Rita.
Fortunately the Texans didn't get hit while stuck on those roads.
I guess that means all those poor black people in New Orleans just deserved to die because they had no cars to drive out in...
God, I just love the arrogance of the oh so Christian right wing...
Just because people don't realize that we need NASA's huge projects, doesn't mean they are unnecessary.
The market is all about perceived need, whereas NASA is run by scientists who have done credible research that determines what we REALLY need.
My previous post was making fun of the "free market decides everything" crowd.. which is probably why they got back at me by modding me down as a "troll"...