It's not "holding to the old". I can do all of the stuff Vista allows me to do (outside gaming and DRM, but that's a different issue altogether, and you can game better on XP and adding DRM to that OS shouldn't be much of a hassle) with any Linux flavor, for zero cost and no hardware update needed, and with no significant difference in performance. What I'm digging at is the false necessity Vista is creating for new hardware updates (well, the bastardized PC gaming industry is helping a lot in that respect, of course), which can be picked up by some conspiracy theorists as a deal between MS and the hardware industry.
RAM IS CHEAP, my man! It costs a fraction of the OS, even.
Thanks, but I don't have to pay for Ubuntu;).
Plus, you're making quite a number of assumptions here. I don't live in the US, I live in a third world country. While I'm not bad off, RAM is certainly something rather expensive, especially taking into account that I don't do anything that requires more than what I have. My PC's performance is extremely nice, I don't game on PCs, I don't do media-extensive work such as encoding, and while rather old, my processor can run 720p video files without much problems (BTW, much better than on Windows, even using the same decoder).
Seriously, people, this "get on with the times!" attitude is certainly baffling. "Consume, consume, consume!". No thank you, sir. I'd rather spend on more meaningful things than a piece of extra RAM that won't really give me more than what I have right now. That is, unless I want to run Vista... which I certainly don't, since it doesn't provide me with anything else I need.
You sounded like someone who just read all the negative review without actually using Vista. I installed Vista Business edition 32bit on my Dell Dimension 1100 ( 2.1 Ghz Celeron D, 1 GB RAM and Nvdia FX 5500(128mb)) It run fine on such low end hardware with Visual Studio 2005, Office 2007, WarCraft3 Frozne throne...etc. Maybe, it's time for you to upgrade your rig from Pentium to more modern hardware. Uhh, that's like two times the RAM my current PC has (which also has a tad inferior processor and video card), and it runs just fine with any *nix flavor, even with all the desktop glossiness MS publicized and a tad more. Try running Vista on 512 MB and then we'll talk.
Eh, I don't know who the hell modded this interesting, but these guys (who look a lot more trustworthy than a random Slashdot post) would certainly disagree with it:
Man, art is a way of conveying a way of perceiving things. It's not something that comes out of someone's ass; in fact, I'd expect geeks, who tend to be more analytic in their behavior, would understand this better than anyone. Art conveys a way of thinking, a way of perceiving the world, and that has tons of different connotations: historical, sociological, and even political. You may argue about, for example, the frivolous music we get shoved down our throats by the western music industry these days, but that's also a way of conveying a message which, when interpreted in the future, should give someone a way of understanding the current era (as in, a frivolous society that consumes every piece of crap that's shoved down their throats). THAT's the reason why it's taught at schools, or at least, the original reason. It might not be taught correctly in every school, but at least, that's the reason why it should exist in an academic environment.
And, on the other hand, art is important as a piece of entertainment. If you can't understand the beauty of discussing a work of fiction (of any kind, be it movies, animated series, novels, short stories, etcetera), of a dialog that involves the exchange of different ways of understanding the same work (which is also part of the beauty of art), then I feel sad for you.
Perhaps they should just focus on making better games, not only more flashy games. Certainly we can blame this on graphic rendering requirements and not on the creative department, yes?
A sibling post already nailed it, but summarized, the point is as follows: It's fucking open. The regular secrecy rules of capitalist competition don't apply here; 90% of the time, changes are forced to be made open (obviously, depending on what license we're talking about). Any change in any distro is open for any other distro to grab and to use. And since every distro, in the bottom, is the same fucking system, only that delivered in a slightly different way, any progress of any distro is good for the whole community.
I'm not saying "it can't be proven", I'm saying "there's no evidence". If there's no evidence, there's no reason to believe it. The burden of "proof" is on whoever wants to prove its existence.
In my opinion science should pursue everything that can be learnt. However science has no way of proving that their is no creator. Huh? You don't understand the scientific method. If there's no evidence, it doesn't exist. Asserting "you can't prove it doesn't exist" is a logical fallacy, because there's no evidence of its existence in the first place. That science still can't prove everything today is completely irrelevant.
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Yeah, but all the things you mentioned don't represent major application overhauls. They're mostly point releases, while KDE 4 is a complete remake of KDE.
There are differences. If you can't hear them, I'm really sorry for you. The most obvious difference in most cases is the drums--I suggest you grab any rock band CD and compare it with an mp3 version while paying really good attention to the drums, preferably with a nice set of big, tank-like headphones if you can't notice it otherwise.
I don't think I am what you would call an audiophile but I'm really really picky with what I listen to;)
There you go, nice way of accusing me of a straw man without actually correcting my statements about what you said. I guess you're the sort of people who yell "straw man" whenever they can't seem to make up any kind of mildly strong argument at all.
There's not much sense into having an intelligent discussion if all you do is dismiss my points without formally addressing them, so I guess I'll be stepping out of this.
So you're saying that all your actions, within a society, can be completely independent and that you can actively live within a society without ever having any of your actions affect your peers? You're a fool if you actively believe this, and people like you are what's wrong with the world capitalism has bred.
And they did a model that was very close to what I suggested, but you use the term successful, and I would use the term barely surviving. Excuse me while I cry for all the celebrities that are going to miss their 500 million dollars coke-snorting parties
As it happens, I'm rather well-read in history Your sayings would point me that, regardless of whatever reading you might have done about history, you're completely ignorant on whatever interpretation that could be done about it. If you don't understand the concept of a society as a network of human relationships (a point I made which you didn't directly contest), then you're completely misunderstanding the concept of heuristics, which is essential to interpretating history and understanding the complex human relationships that gave birth to today's society.
What? You really think you exist only for and by yourself and your family, completely isolated from any other human contact whatsoever?
Wake up, man, this is called a SOCIETY. Every single act has its consequences society-wide. It's people like you who really need to be educated in the implications of a society as a network of human relationships and actions.
(sorry to hear the FLOSS coders haven't gotten to 64bit yet for Flash - maybe if somebody paid them to do the work, I wonder) That'd be Adobe. Flash is closed source.
This has to be the most insightful comment I've read on Slashdot. It's a pity to see the consequences of Marx's analysis of the capitalist society being carried away so naturally these days. The alienation of the workers from their work is extremely evident not only in the structure of today's society, but also in the minds of most of those partaking in the progress of society (or are they perhaps a consequence of this very society? It's hard to tell).
I really wish the best to these guys, they really seemed like they enjoyed their work. A rare treat these days.
I do wish people would begin to understand that Open does not mean "free". I do not have to "give away" my effort for it to still be open to scrutiny and customization. I can charge for my open project. Free also means freedom. Richard Stallman made money out of Emacs in his time, which was, what do you know, FREE. Go read up on the definition of free software before making any kind of comment on it.
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It's not "holding to the old". I can do all of the stuff Vista allows me to do (outside gaming and DRM, but that's a different issue altogether, and you can game better on XP and adding DRM to that OS shouldn't be much of a hassle) with any Linux flavor, for zero cost and no hardware update needed, and with no significant difference in performance. What I'm digging at is the false necessity Vista is creating for new hardware updates (well, the bastardized PC gaming industry is helping a lot in that respect, of course), which can be picked up by some conspiracy theorists as a deal between MS and the hardware industry.
Thanks, but I don't have to pay for Ubuntu
Plus, you're making quite a number of assumptions here. I don't live in the US, I live in a third world country. While I'm not bad off, RAM is certainly something rather expensive, especially taking into account that I don't do anything that requires more than what I have. My PC's performance is extremely nice, I don't game on PCs, I don't do media-extensive work such as encoding, and while rather old, my processor can run 720p video files without much problems (BTW, much better than on Windows, even using the same decoder).
Seriously, people, this "get on with the times!" attitude is certainly baffling. "Consume, consume, consume!". No thank you, sir. I'd rather spend on more meaningful things than a piece of extra RAM that won't really give me more than what I have right now. That is, unless I want to run Vista... which I certainly don't, since it doesn't provide me with anything else I need.
Maybe it's time for another bubble.
It's called America.
Eh, I don't know who the hell modded this interesting, but these guys (who look a lot more trustworthy than a random Slashdot post) would certainly disagree with it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_bug#Folklore
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/IN694
Man, art is a way of conveying a way of perceiving things. It's not something that comes out of someone's ass; in fact, I'd expect geeks, who tend to be more analytic in their behavior, would understand this better than anyone. Art conveys a way of thinking, a way of perceiving the world, and that has tons of different connotations: historical, sociological, and even political. You may argue about, for example, the frivolous music we get shoved down our throats by the western music industry these days, but that's also a way of conveying a message which, when interpreted in the future, should give someone a way of understanding the current era (as in, a frivolous society that consumes every piece of crap that's shoved down their throats). THAT's the reason why it's taught at schools, or at least, the original reason. It might not be taught correctly in every school, but at least, that's the reason why it should exist in an academic environment.
And, on the other hand, art is important as a piece of entertainment. If you can't understand the beauty of discussing a work of fiction (of any kind, be it movies, animated series, novels, short stories, etcetera), of a dialog that involves the exchange of different ways of understanding the same work (which is also part of the beauty of art), then I feel sad for you.
Perhaps they should just focus on making better games, not only more flashy games. Certainly we can blame this on graphic rendering requirements and not on the creative department, yes?
A sibling post already nailed it, but summarized, the point is as follows: It's fucking open. The regular secrecy rules of capitalist competition don't apply here; 90% of the time, changes are forced to be made open (obviously, depending on what license we're talking about). Any change in any distro is open for any other distro to grab and to use. And since every distro, in the bottom, is the same fucking system, only that delivered in a slightly different way, any progress of any distro is good for the whole community.
I'm not saying "it can't be proven", I'm saying "there's no evidence". If there's no evidence, there's no reason to believe it. The burden of "proof" is on whoever wants to prove its existence.
Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Xylophone Off?
Yeah, but all the things you mentioned don't represent major application overhauls. They're mostly point releases, while KDE 4 is a complete remake of KDE.
There are differences. If you can't hear them, I'm really sorry for you. The most obvious difference in most cases is the drums--I suggest you grab any rock band CD and compare it with an mp3 version while paying really good attention to the drums, preferably with a nice set of big, tank-like headphones if you can't notice it otherwise.
;)
I don't think I am what you would call an audiophile but I'm really really picky with what I listen to
There you go, nice way of accusing me of a straw man without actually correcting my statements about what you said. I guess you're the sort of people who yell "straw man" whenever they can't seem to make up any kind of mildly strong argument at all.
There's not much sense into having an intelligent discussion if all you do is dismiss my points without formally addressing them, so I guess I'll be stepping out of this.
So you're saying that all your actions, within a society, can be completely independent and that you can actively live within a society without ever having any of your actions affect your peers? You're a fool if you actively believe this, and people like you are what's wrong with the world capitalism has bred.
What? You really think you exist only for and by yourself and your family, completely isolated from any other human contact whatsoever?
Wake up, man, this is called a SOCIETY. Every single act has its consequences society-wide. It's people like you who really need to be educated in the implications of a society as a network of human relationships and actions.
Oh, pray tell me, how the hell was that offtopic? I understand your disagreement with me, moderator, but HOW the hell was that offtopic?
This has to be the most insightful comment I've read on Slashdot. It's a pity to see the consequences of Marx's analysis of the capitalist society being carried away so naturally these days. The alienation of the workers from their work is extremely evident not only in the structure of today's society, but also in the minds of most of those partaking in the progress of society (or are they perhaps a consequence of this very society? It's hard to tell).
I really wish the best to these guys, they really seemed like they enjoyed their work. A rare treat these days.