Even Nuclear should not really get off the hook. A few big ones go off and there would be environmental consequences affecting generations.
The most somebody can do here is rationalize a "defensive" weapons program, which does not excuse the weaponization (mass deployment) of a biological contagion.
What's insanity is rationalizing a biological weapons program in the first place. If that is not a clear threat to all of humanity, and our future generations, I don't know what it is. Very few actions cause me to condone killing the people involved, and this is one of them.
Ok.. does Google have hardware in the UK? Obviously they have the cams going around, but any servers in the UK?
That might work on Google, but it will not apply to all hosted services. There are quite a few. Amazon EC2, GoGrid, ThePlanet, Azure, and any number of hosted VPS solutions are good examples.
What if I visit the UK (highly unlikely at this point) and use SSL protected sessions between me and my mailserver hosted back in the US?
Contrary to popular belief, seeing boobies, aged between 18 and 30 (don't hate ladies), never gets old.
Ex., Madonna's nipple slips out at 18 - Good times. Madonna's nipple slips out at 35 - Kind of cool. Madonna's nipple slips out at 50 - I want to be able to eat later on. Madonna's nipple slips out at 85 - Jesus Christ, isn't there an orderly around here to take care of this poor lady?
I'm not a regular consumer, but an IT professional. I don't want it in my pocket because I don't like vendor lock-in.
If I want to do anything really neat or useful I may have to fight against Microsoft to do it (defeats the point if I own it). What if I want to develop for it? Are the tools going to free? Will they remain free?
It could be an awesome phone, and maybe even a better operating system than iOS or Android.
However, for better or worse, I'm Open Source For Life. That precludes Apple's shiny walled garden and any offering from Microsoft. I want to remain free, and there is no freedom with Apple or Microsoft, just bondage. Although, Apple does make bondage look attractive sometimes.
There would be less anonymity initially for sure. If you had a thousand people, and only 10 people started using TOR right away, they just painted a target on themselves.
You won't be anonymous, but you will still remain private (assuming encryption is not illegal too. Once the scales tip at about 30-40% there is no longer any detriment in anonymity since the costs of investigating and implementing extra monitoring on that many nodes would be very cost prohibitive.
That being said, they are already throwing billions at this. I fail to see how any onion routing service can remain anonymous when you are recording traffic from all 3 nodes (TOR defaults) at the same time. Only way around that is to choose an intermediate node and exit node outside of a UK ISP. Expensive from a latency/bandwidth viewpoint, and just as easily mitigated by terminating all TOR sessions at the edge of the networks.
There is no such thing as true anonymity on the Internet. There is plausible deniability (TOR and Freenet operate this way) and hijacking of connections, but all sessions can be traced back down to a single source.
So unless you want to run around hacking into wireless connections and using innocent people as a shield for your communications, you will be settling for a lesser form of anonymity.
P.S - How do they figure out who is emailing whom again? Unless the mail server is with an ISP or the SMTP session is in plain text, you cannot read the email headers.
Where are you? I have installed TOR, and operated as an exit node, as recently as a few weeks ago. It is quite slow (5-15KB/s), but was immediately functional.
TOR is only slow because there is currently extremely poor community participation.
If every single person had a big red button to enable a TOR exit node on their router, you would change your mind about the speed.
There should be a fork of Tomato or DD-WRT with it. Last I checked there were some discussions, but nothing implemented.
Considering how cheap a Raspberry Pi is, I am willing to bet that a TOR device could be constructed quite cheaply (with exit node enabled by default) and would be incredibly popular in the UK once its operation was explained.
I am the top of the food chain. I have access to quite a few networks, and file level access to everything including database files. In addition to sysadmin work, I also do development work on backend systems and assist with frontend development. Although I hate web with a passion, morons created that stuff. Hopefully it gets a lot better with HTML5 and browsers becoming more standardized.
If you restrict all data access to application level (web frontends, etc.), and heavily restrict/block data access through more traditional means, you can very easily see anomalous data access patterns.
All of that being said..... there is nothing that I cannot alter. Who even has the capability of watching me? It would need to be another person like me, and I am not even sure what kind of game it would be between us to watch each other (with stealth) in a way that we could not alter each other's data.
I am the person that needs to be trusted more than anybody else in the company. Personally, I act with a very high level of ethics and professionalism.
Not everyone does. I had to rescue a small company (~20 employees) from a pissed off rogue sysadmin who got fired. He locked everything up real tight and was holding the owner hostage demanding to get paid. Luckily he was arrogant and did not do anything beyond changing all the passwords on a Windows network.
You bring up a very good question. When you get all the way up to my level I have no idea how you could effectively stop me from doing anything.
Apparently, you are not normal. A sense of professionalism, integrity, and acting according to strict personal ethics at all times regardless of the provocations is not normal.
I'm with you. How many posts here are rationalizing the actions because they are mistreated? Two wrongs don't make a right.
Just because the executives and management in the company might deserve it does not mean you should dishonor yourself to do it to them.
Best practices are to just lose his paycheck, promise to look into it, keep moving him into smaller and more cramped cubicles, then eventually the basement, and finallysteal his stapler that he brought from home . He should just leave quietly.
That is what information security handles, which is especially ironic in the case of Bradley Manning.
Personally, I think he is a true hero. From a security standpoint the military is full of fucking useless dumbasses.
The systems I work with keep track of access down to the meta data level. You can look at a report for access history and *easily* see spikes in usage. Hmmmm... Why did Bob need to access and download a.csv file with 100,000 customers data?
There are best practices to greatly mitigate employees collecting data while on the job. It requires some work, some infrastructure, and the appropriate platforms, but it is possible.
It does depend on the person. I would never even remotely consider it for a second, even if I was owed money. That's what lawsuits are for.
When you do sensitive work like working with customer databases and sysadmin work that takes you everywhere inside a company, you need to be trusted. Your actions could get around to other companies.
As for still having access, I wouldn't know. That would require testing for it.
I know it is tempting to get revenge, but in the end I would rather have my integrity and knowing that I was the better person and professional.
Your rant aside, is wanting corporations to stand up for us, sometimes with disobedience, really all that unreasonable?
Corporations generally have far more power and influence. If we consider them people, we might consider them something like action super heroes. Don't laugh... think about it.
The rest of us are just the little villagers and peons that are oppressed and seeking justice from above. Our heroes fly about above us with immense power.... and.... need to consult ye old lawyer, ye old publicist, ye old marketing department, etc. and hover above us saying, "Yeah... sorry about that. You see I can't risk standing up for you this time. Too many legal liabilities and whatnot. You understand right?"
What if Superman gave up because Lex Luthor kept kicking his ass in civil court?
I do want corporations like Apple to take a stand, and take a risk, to do something that would clearly be in the interests of the people for once. Why does it always have to be about shareholder value and strongly tied to profit?
Corporations don't exist in a vacuum. Without the prosperous and free society around them they will die just as quickly. It is quite reasonable to want them to be socially responsible, participate in the communities around them, and to actually act like they give a shit about us. Not worthless marketing about how cool they are, but actions that speak louder than words.
It's true, and not specifically directed at Apple. Built-in obsolescence and shitty materials/craftsmanship only becomes more prevalent year by year across so many manufacturers.
They don't make them like they used to.....
Software, especially so. Sometimes it is next to impossible to source previous versions of software, and in the case of protected software, activate it again.
There are a ton of companies out there that make headphones.
How about picking one that is not extremely well known for fucking over consumers, sticking their noses where it does not belong (my home), and sponsoring (read purchasing) legislation that fundamentally violates our rights to Freedom, Privacy, and Anonymity just because they are loathsome greedy pieces of shit?
Last I heard.. Denon, Coby, Bose, Urbanwear, etc. did not have any financial interests in copyright specific IP law, content creation, and content distribution.
I understand your point that all companies might be objectionable in some ways, but some companies are clearly and flagrantly, objectionable in so many, many, ways.
Happened when I was 9 years old and some dickhead was bullying a bunch of friends of mine. One of my friends played the part of bait and when the oaf came barreling around the corner he came to a violent halt when his face started to merge with a large dictionary.
Word for the day... Concussion.
Seriously though, it was a term for awhile. That dude got facebook'd.
A Luddite, in the contemporary sense, fears the future and technology. In history, a Luddite is somebody that participated in the destruction of machines to further an ideological position that it was harmful to society.
What neither you, or anyone else, has been able to state is how GM can state with any confidence (that has meaning in scientific circles) they know exactly what the confidence of their actions can be,
Quite simply, you're reckless. Your arrogance and extreme hubris is in attempting to advance the field of genetics so fast, while also allowing it to have unknown effect while in production .
You people are fucking morons.
To put in a programming analogy, you're the idiots that run around like big shots and know-it-alls perfectly willing to make huge code changes in a production system, and then give those arrogant and condescending stares with somebody dares to even mention that, perhaps, just perhaps, we should consider doing it in DEV and adding some regression testing to the mix.
Yeah.... I am a Luddite asking for the science to still be done, but just done more slowly and in a dev environment.
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No, I think just about everyone gets it.
Even Nuclear should not really get off the hook. A few big ones go off and there would be environmental consequences affecting generations.
The most somebody can do here is rationalize a "defensive" weapons program, which does not excuse the weaponization (mass deployment) of a biological contagion.
What's insanity is rationalizing a biological weapons program in the first place. If that is not a clear threat to all of humanity, and our future generations, I don't know what it is. Very few actions cause me to condone killing the people involved, and this is one of them.
Ok.. does Google have hardware in the UK? Obviously they have the cams going around, but any servers in the UK?
That might work on Google, but it will not apply to all hosted services. There are quite a few. Amazon EC2, GoGrid, ThePlanet, Azure, and any number of hosted VPS solutions are good examples.
What if I visit the UK (highly unlikely at this point) and use SSL protected sessions between me and my mailserver hosted back in the US?
Contrary to popular belief, seeing boobies, aged between 18 and 30 (don't hate ladies), never gets old .
Ex., Madonna's nipple slips out at 18 - Good times. Madonna's nipple slips out at 35 - Kind of cool. Madonna's nipple slips out at 50 - I want to be able to eat later on. Madonna's nipple slips out at 85 - Jesus Christ, isn't there an orderly around here to take care of this poor lady?
How does the law force Google, or a foreign mail service (like GoDaddy, appriver, etc.) to turn over the logs?
I'm not a regular consumer, but an IT professional. I don't want it in my pocket because I don't like vendor lock-in.
If I want to do anything really neat or useful I may have to fight against Microsoft to do it (defeats the point if I own it). What if I want to develop for it? Are the tools going to free? Will they remain free?
It could be an awesome phone, and maybe even a better operating system than iOS or Android.
However, for better or worse, I'm Open Source For Life. That precludes Apple's shiny walled garden and any offering from Microsoft. I want to remain free, and there is no freedom with Apple or Microsoft, just bondage. Although, Apple does make bondage look attractive sometimes.
If you inseminate a Great Dane with Chihuahua semen, it would have fertile puppies
Yes, Yes... but would the Chihuahua survive the birth?
There would be less anonymity initially for sure. If you had a thousand people, and only 10 people started using TOR right away, they just painted a target on themselves.
You won't be anonymous, but you will still remain private (assuming encryption is not illegal too. Once the scales tip at about 30-40% there is no longer any detriment in anonymity since the costs of investigating and implementing extra monitoring on that many nodes would be very cost prohibitive.
That being said, they are already throwing billions at this. I fail to see how any onion routing service can remain anonymous when you are recording traffic from all 3 nodes (TOR defaults) at the same time. Only way around that is to choose an intermediate node and exit node outside of a UK ISP. Expensive from a latency/bandwidth viewpoint, and just as easily mitigated by terminating all TOR sessions at the edge of the networks.
There is no such thing as true anonymity on the Internet. There is plausible deniability (TOR and Freenet operate this way) and hijacking of connections, but all sessions can be traced back down to a single source.
So unless you want to run around hacking into wireless connections and using innocent people as a shield for your communications, you will be settling for a lesser form of anonymity.
P.S - How do they figure out who is emailing whom again? Unless the mail server is with an ISP or the SMTP session is in plain text, you cannot read the email headers.
Really?
Where are you? I have installed TOR, and operated as an exit node, as recently as a few weeks ago. It is quite slow (5-15KB/s), but was immediately functional.
TOR is only slow because there is currently extremely poor community participation.
If every single person had a big red button to enable a TOR exit node on their router, you would change your mind about the speed.
There should be a fork of Tomato or DD-WRT with it. Last I checked there were some discussions, but nothing implemented.
Considering how cheap a Raspberry Pi is, I am willing to bet that a TOR device could be constructed quite cheaply (with exit node enabled by default) and would be incredibly popular in the UK once its operation was explained.
That's quite brilliant actually. Loin clothes for the men and dental floss thongs for the ladies.
Of course, that means I could blend into a crowd like a Ninja since everyone would be concentrating on the thongs.
Contrary to popular belief, boobies never get old.
Wouldn't be a shame if some browsing histories were faked for all of the current MPs and leaked, and nobody could tell the difference?
Remember, the plan is to blow up the Olympics and behead the Queen during the opening ceremonies
Not as long as I have something to say about it
-- Frank Drebin, Police Squad
You're right.
I am the top of the food chain. I have access to quite a few networks, and file level access to everything including database files. In addition to sysadmin work, I also do development work on backend systems and assist with frontend development. Although I hate web with a passion, morons created that stuff. Hopefully it gets a lot better with HTML5 and browsers becoming more standardized.
If you restrict all data access to application level (web frontends, etc.), and heavily restrict/block data access through more traditional means, you can very easily see anomalous data access patterns.
All of that being said..... there is nothing that I cannot alter. Who even has the capability of watching me? It would need to be another person like me, and I am not even sure what kind of game it would be between us to watch each other (with stealth) in a way that we could not alter each other's data.
I am the person that needs to be trusted more than anybody else in the company. Personally, I act with a very high level of ethics and professionalism.
Not everyone does. I had to rescue a small company (~20 employees) from a pissed off rogue sysadmin who got fired. He locked everything up real tight and was holding the owner hostage demanding to get paid. Luckily he was arrogant and did not do anything beyond changing all the passwords on a Windows network.
You bring up a very good question. When you get all the way up to my level I have no idea how you could effectively stop me from doing anything.
What is wrong with you ?
Apparently, you are not normal. A sense of professionalism, integrity, and acting according to strict personal ethics at all times regardless of the provocations is not normal.
I'm with you. How many posts here are rationalizing the actions because they are mistreated? Two wrongs don't make a right.
Just because the executives and management in the company might deserve it does not mean you should dishonor yourself to do it to them.
Actually.... you all got it wrong.
Best practices are to just lose his paycheck, promise to look into it, keep moving him into smaller and more cramped cubicles, then eventually the basement, and finally steal his stapler that he brought from home . He should just leave quietly.
That is what information security handles, which is especially ironic in the case of Bradley Manning.
Personally, I think he is a true hero. From a security standpoint the military is full of fucking useless dumbasses.
The systems I work with keep track of access down to the meta data level. You can look at a report for access history and *easily* see spikes in usage. Hmmmm... Why did Bob need to access and download a .csv file with 100,000 customers data?
There are best practices to greatly mitigate employees collecting data while on the job. It requires some work, some infrastructure, and the appropriate platforms, but it is possible.
It does depend on the person. I would never even remotely consider it for a second, even if I was owed money. That's what lawsuits are for.
When you do sensitive work like working with customer databases and sysadmin work that takes you everywhere inside a company, you need to be trusted. Your actions could get around to other companies.
As for still having access, I wouldn't know. That would require testing for it.
I know it is tempting to get revenge, but in the end I would rather have my integrity and knowing that I was the better person and professional.
You stole my post. Good thoughts.
Geeezz. He did not steal your post. He only infringed upon it by making an unlicensed copy. :P
Interesting.... then would that make some forms of compression illegal? Similar to how not watching (or downloading) the commercials is stealing?
Would that make data transfer outside of approved channels become smuggling? Flash drives become contraband?
That huge bandwidth of a truck full of tapes going down the highway would be the equivalent of a bank robbery?
I'm happy with Cox.
*cry* *sniff*
Whooooosh dude. Whoooooossshhhh.
Tell us more about how happy you are with Cox.
Your rant aside, is wanting corporations to stand up for us, sometimes with disobedience, really all that unreasonable?
Corporations generally have far more power and influence. If we consider them people, we might consider them something like action super heroes. Don't laugh... think about it.
The rest of us are just the little villagers and peons that are oppressed and seeking justice from above. Our heroes fly about above us with immense power.... and.... need to consult ye old lawyer, ye old publicist, ye old marketing department, etc. and hover above us saying, "Yeah... sorry about that. You see I can't risk standing up for you this time. Too many legal liabilities and whatnot. You understand right?"
What if Superman gave up because Lex Luthor kept kicking his ass in civil court?
I do want corporations like Apple to take a stand, and take a risk, to do something that would clearly be in the interests of the people for once. Why does it always have to be about shareholder value and strongly tied to profit?
Corporations don't exist in a vacuum. Without the prosperous and free society around them they will die just as quickly. It is quite reasonable to want them to be socially responsible, participate in the communities around them, and to actually act like they give a shit about us. Not worthless marketing about how cool they are, but actions that speak louder than words.
Is this really a paper-thin social issue?
Why is this flamebait?
It's true, and not specifically directed at Apple. Built-in obsolescence and shitty materials/craftsmanship only becomes more prevalent year by year across so many manufacturers.
They don't make them like they used to.....
Software, especially so. Sometimes it is next to impossible to source previous versions of software, and in the case of protected software, activate it again.
There are a ton of companies out there that make headphones.
How about picking one that is not extremely well known for fucking over consumers, sticking their noses where it does not belong (my home), and sponsoring (read purchasing) legislation that fundamentally violates our rights to Freedom, Privacy, and Anonymity just because they are loathsome greedy pieces of shit?
Last I heard.. Denon, Coby, Bose, Urbanwear, etc. did not have any financial interests in copyright specific IP law, content creation, and content distribution.
I understand your point that all companies might be objectionable in some ways, but some companies are clearly and flagrantly, objectionable in so many, many, ways.
I invented Facebook.
Happened when I was 9 years old and some dickhead was bullying a bunch of friends of mine. One of my friends played the part of bait and when the oaf came barreling around the corner he came to a violent halt when his face started to merge with a large dictionary.
Word for the day... Concussion.
Seriously though, it was a term for awhile. That dude got facebook'd.
No, I am not.
A Luddite, in the contemporary sense, fears the future and technology. In history, a Luddite is somebody that participated in the destruction of machines to further an ideological position that it was harmful to society.
What neither you, or anyone else, has been able to state is how GM can state with any confidence (that has meaning in scientific circles) they know exactly what the confidence of their actions can be,
Quite simply, you're reckless. Your arrogance and extreme hubris is in attempting to advance the field of genetics so fast, while also allowing it to have unknown effect while in production .
You people are fucking morons.
To put in a programming analogy, you're the idiots that run around like big shots and know-it-alls perfectly willing to make huge code changes in a production system, and then give those arrogant and condescending stares with somebody dares to even mention that, perhaps, just perhaps, we should consider doing it in DEV and adding some regression testing to the mix.
Yeah.... I am a Luddite asking for the science to still be done, but just done more slowly and in a dev environment.