Separating them into separate programs means they can be released independently. Besides, many people don't want to use one or the other Mozilla component.
For those naysayers, these two apps (among whatever else gets componentized in the mozilla go-forward plan) WILL use the same VM to conserve footprint, if configured to do so.
Functionally, Firebird is as full-featured as the Mozilla browser, and there are more extensions and skins available for it (most of the Mozilla extensions just work).
Not only that, it's FASTER than the lizard. Call it the lizard-lite, if you will, but Firebird is the only browser I drive:-)
As for missing features, how about being able to edit a page, send a page to someone, read mail or news, address book, debug a page with the JS debugger, view the page DOM?
Lets see, all of these things are not really a browser, are they? When I asked what features, I was asking what *browser* features you thought were missing.
I would love to switch, but unfortunately it is not suitable for my requirements yet. I'm sorry if this upsets you but it's a plain fact.
I applaud you for finding something that fits your requirements. All I took issue with is that you assumed that *everyone* needed your requirements (a big boatload). Lots of people only need a fast browser, and I am one of those people. Mozilla does not cut it for me. Firebird is the fastest thing I've used, aside from Opera, and is therefore my choice.
Earlier poster: "When the laws of a society are at odds with the moral views of the vast majority of people, that society has a large problem on its hands which is usually worse than the original problem that the law is attempting to solve (think Prohibition)."
What morals are those? That theft is perfectly acceptable?
Glad to see you're drinking the kool-aid that the RIAA/MPAA/BSA have given you. Let me make this clear:
Violation of intellectual property is not theft Copyright infringement is not theft
They may be bad, but don't them up with the other, clearly different crime. Clearly, one can be against theft, but not agree with "copyright infringment" as a crime.
It's nice that people think Firebird is great, but there is a lot of hard work ahead before it is anything like comparable to Mozilla.
Funny you say that, because I find that there's LOTS to phoenix that you can't find in Mozilla. Phoenix (Firebird) was the first to offer popup whitelists, has mpgs and wmv's working out of the box (on my windows work machine), and incredible rendering/load times (faster than IE).
It might be lighter, but then it has just a small fraction of the functionality in the Mozilla suite.
not to mention that Firebird also lacks the ability to be set to compare the page in the cache to the current page everytime the page is loaded.
This is not true. Remember that the engine, Gecko is common between the two, so something this low-level would definitely be the same on both. Unfortunately phoenix isn't as polished, so the preferences aren't settable out of the box (hopefully this will change soon!)
Solution: Get Advanced Prefernces. Go to browser.cache.check_doc_frequency, edit it to (1). Of course, you can also modify your stylesheet to set this property.. but I like adv. prefs, lots of stuff to tweak.
Even if I buy a new house, it will probably come with a bunch of stuff that isn't quite the way I'd like. I wouldn't call that a tax. Rather it is the price of not going through the hassle of buying an empty lot and building the house myself. Most vendors include a modem, which I don't need. I don't call that a "modem tax".
You didn't read my reply did you? I said clearly "(that was mandated by some large construction company)". Modems are included because they benefit some, cost little, and do not inconvenience others. If it were the case that you had to choose between a modem and ethernet, and the manufacturer was *required by contract* to put a modem in (requiring you to replace it), the modem cost significantly more due to monopoly status... then maybe your analogy would hold (and I bet people would call it a tax).
Um, that happens all the time man. When I bought my house it had a bunch of carpet over the hardwood floors, I had to pay to have it removed. There was a bunch of peeling paint I had to strip and redo. There was a broken water supply system.
Your analogy is flawed, since the house you claim to have purchased is not new. If this were a used computer, yes I agree that your analogy is true, and anyone claiming that the OS is a "tax" is off-base. If you bought a *new* house, and each such house had any of those conditions you state (mandated by some large construction company, not "defacto" fees), then you sure as hell would call it a tax.
I guarantee you that a Dell works flawlessly with windows, whereas a noname machine, even if it has "better" parts, might have trouble
YOU guranatee? I really doubt that. Tell that to my parents whose Dell HD broke down months after their 1 year support contract expired. My home-built PC, with no such support contract has had minimal problems the 2 years it's been operating. It's a known fact that PC's from large manufacturers use shoddy components unless they're high-end (and thus high-margin) models.
If they use every dirty trick in the book and think nothing of emailing paedophilic pictures to anybody and everybody, don't spammers deserve the same level of attention as other criminals?
Not all spammers are neccessarily into child porn. Don't mix the two different issues.
Spamming is currently not a criminal activity. If you want spammers to be treated like criminals, talk to your local congresscritter about making it illegal first.
"I'm all for taking from the rich to give to the poor,..."
So you are a thief? Thanks for clearing that up.
The rich by and large earn their money.
The poor are poor due to their choices in life, nothing more.
Marxism is DEAD, lets move on.
Who the f*ck modded this cruft as insightful? The only thing this could be is INSITEFUL, right wing propoganda with no links or meaningful references. Which should get a -1 Offtopic mod along with all the other left-wing conspiracy theory bullshit. This thread is about FCC taxing cable modem users, not trying to spin your extremist worldview.
Not that I love Wal-Mart, but where I live, it's a shorter drive to the closest Wal-Mart than to all of the stores I might need to visit to get all the goods and services offered by the local Wal-Mart.
How do you know that without the Walmart in place to drive the other stores out of business, you might have a whole plethora of just-a-walk-away stores? It's not about downtown vs. Walmart. If the walmart weren't there, you might not have had to even drive as far as the walmart to find what you wanted.
Besides Walmart products are shite quality. I bought a pressure cooker, and a toaster oven at that hellhole 6 months ago, and hell if one isn't working right and the other is return-bait.
Or perhaps we should realize that they are natural monopolies and stop pretending that they are anything else. Deregulation has been a huge failure. Look at the manufactured California energy crisis.
Agreee completely.
Some things just make more sense to be handled by the federal government.
Don't completely agree here, try: s/federal// Most local governments are perfectly capable of handling the "last mile" problem and can be efficient when they need to. Wasn't that the whole point of a decentralized governance, to avoid the "emipre" and "king" problems of distribution? We need to respect natural monopolies, yes. But local governance is best at handling local monopolies.
Any language feature can be abused and used in inappropriate ways. I once knew a programmer who included comments like the following.// I'm really tired now....// Gosh gotta go to the bar...// I'll never do this again// Source control is my enemy, they'll know who writes all these stupid comments....
Your example is pretty weak (aka, a strawman). In the case of operator overloading, the code that looks like one thing can mean another. In your poor example, comments can be simply ingored (a 5 line perl program can strip out the useless comments), and don't affect the code operation. There's a big difference between cruft and intentional misinformation.
Tivo currently works with a broadband connection, via the USB port (assuming you buy/have a USB Ethernet connector).
The
Software Release 4.0 due out soon (which is immediate if you also purchase Home Media Option), will increase the support and allow setup of a wifi 802.11b USB connector (which is what I'm waiting for!!!)
The reason: No matter how processor intensive a background task I may be running, my computer continues to be smooth and usable. And if it's a long-running task, this is especially important. While it might be nice to be able to run the background job in an hour instead of six, if I cannot use my computer for that hour, I'm actually significantly more inconvenienced.
To add to the list of inconveniences: Shitty programs that for whatever reason, take 100% regardless of their usage (in windows). I mean, lots of games, encoders, oldy-but-goody 16 bit programs, you name it. If people really threaded what needed to be threaded and coded properly, then I would not need a 2nd core.
Another reason is IDE. Sure, it's fast enough, but it's pretty dumb compared to SCSI's capabilities of offloading processing and data transfer. If all desktops had good SCSI connections, massive processor speed would be less of a need.... I still love my 8x SCSI CD-RW:-)
I agree with you right up to the point of where you start intimidating, torturing, and mass murdering your own people. Then, exactly whom are you protecting?
Ok, Mr. Rhetoric.
I think the original poster was referring to the *people* not the leader. Often times even in despotic regimes, the people are patriotic and self-preservational and that is to be expected. Saying that they are "mass-murdering their own people" as an excuse for OUR INVADING THEIR COUNTRY is pretty pathetic, especially since the kurdish massacre of which you describe was because a) the kurds were backstabbed by the US (left to hang after being promised support), and b) the chemical weapons used were purchased from the US. The root of the atrocity? I doubt it stops at Saddam. Keep looking.
This is an argument for no laws whatsoever. Making murder illegal does absolutely nothing to stop murderers as well.
Actually, you're quite wrong. Murderers, you're right... will continue to murder, but often people view murder as a means to an end (removing an annoyance, or silencing an enemy, etc). Child porn, aside from the money to be made if it were on the black market, is NOT. Normal people can be pushed to commit murder but you will find it highly unlikely that a normal person will be pushed to child pornography. Im not talking about "teen" stuff either (real child pornography concerns itself with pre-pubescents). Normal people simply abhor the concept.
Once you make it illegal, those same normal people who might otherwise find it abhorrent now have an amoral motive: making money.
To sum it up, if you leave it alone, only the "uncurable" will still be at it. If you make it illegal, expect the immoral, uninterested money-making scum to join in (simply for the black market profits).
Proles: Do whatever you like, secure in the knowledge that you're not important enough to be targeted, but live in the slums.
Yeah, until it benefits some "elite" member's cause. Think: being a soldier in Vietnam or Iraq2 war. Or how about being "collateral damage" in some domestic security action? Being a prole is no certainty of security.
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For those naysayers, these two apps (among whatever else gets componentized in the mozilla go-forward plan) WILL use the same VM to conserve footprint, if configured to do so.
Functionally, Firebird is as full-featured as the Mozilla browser, and there are more extensions and skins available for it (most of the Mozilla extensions just work).
Not only that, it's FASTER than the lizard. Call it the lizard-lite, if you will, but Firebird is the only browser I drive :-)
Lets see, all of these things are not really a browser, are they? When I asked what features, I was asking what *browser* features you thought were missing.
I would love to switch, but unfortunately it is not suitable for my requirements yet. I'm sorry if this upsets you but it's a plain fact.
I applaud you for finding something that fits your requirements. All I took issue with is that you assumed that *everyone* needed your requirements (a big boatload). Lots of people only need a fast browser, and I am one of those people. Mozilla does not cut it for me. Firebird is the fastest thing I've used, aside from Opera, and is therefore my choice.
What morals are those? That theft is perfectly acceptable?
Glad to see you're drinking the kool-aid that the RIAA/MPAA/BSA have given you. Let me make this clear:
Violation of intellectual property is not theft
Copyright infringement is not theft
They may be bad, but don't them up with the other, clearly different crime. Clearly, one can be against theft, but not agree with "copyright infringment" as a crime.
Feel free to argue the rest of your points...
Funny you say that, because I find that there's LOTS to phoenix that you can't find in Mozilla. Phoenix (Firebird) was the first to offer popup whitelists, has mpgs and wmv's working out of the box (on my windows work machine), and incredible rendering/load times (faster than IE).
It might be lighter, but then it has just a small fraction of the functionality in the Mozilla suite.
Pray tell, what are these features?
This is not true. Remember that the engine, Gecko is common between the two, so something this low-level would definitely be the same on both. Unfortunately phoenix isn't as polished, so the preferences aren't settable out of the box (hopefully this will change soon!)
Solution: Get Advanced Prefernces. Go to browser.cache.check_doc_frequency, edit it to (1). Of course, you can also modify your stylesheet to set this property.. but I like adv. prefs, lots of stuff to tweak.
Please check out all the extenstions!!!
You didn't read my reply did you? I said clearly "(that was mandated by some large construction company)". Modems are included because they benefit some, cost little, and do not inconvenience others. If it were the case that you had to choose between a modem and ethernet, and the manufacturer was *required by contract* to put a modem in (requiring you to replace it), the modem cost significantly more due to monopoly status... then maybe your analogy would hold (and I bet people would call it a tax).
Your analogy is flawed, since the house you claim to have purchased is not new. If this were a used computer, yes I agree that your analogy is true, and anyone claiming that the OS is a "tax" is off-base. If you bought a *new* house, and each such house had any of those conditions you state (mandated by some large construction company, not "defacto" fees), then you sure as hell would call it a tax.
I guarantee you that a Dell works flawlessly with windows, whereas a noname machine, even if it has "better" parts, might have trouble
YOU guranatee? I really doubt that. Tell that to my parents whose Dell HD broke down months after their 1 year support contract expired. My home-built PC, with no such support contract has had minimal problems the 2 years it's been operating. It's a known fact that PC's from large manufacturers use shoddy components unless they're high-end (and thus high-margin) models.
Funny, in French it means nude. I wonder if they get a lot of "argent" from the cheese country?
I guess Microsoft has made good on this earlier announcement?
Chuckle... my poor friend, why don't you just upgrade to the lizard? :-)
So you are a thief? Thanks for clearing that up.
The rich by and large earn their money.
The poor are poor due to their choices in life, nothing more.
Marxism is DEAD, lets move on.
Who the f*ck modded this cruft as insightful? The only thing this could be is INSITEFUL, right wing propoganda with no links or meaningful references. Which should get a -1 Offtopic mod along with all the other left-wing conspiracy theory bullshit. This thread is about FCC taxing cable modem users, not trying to spin your extremist worldview.
Got link? I'm dying to get a GBA, and I want something comfortable
How do you know that without the Walmart in place to drive the other stores out of business, you might have a whole plethora of just-a-walk-away stores? It's not about downtown vs. Walmart. If the walmart weren't there, you might not have had to even drive as far as the walmart to find what you wanted.
Besides Walmart products are shite quality. I bought a pressure cooker, and a toaster oven at that hellhole 6 months ago, and hell if one isn't working right and the other is return-bait.
Uh... I think you misspelled Mozilla :-)
Did you notice that the lizard supports more bookmarklets than IE?
Agreee completely.
Some things just make more sense to be handled by the federal government.
Don't completely agree here, try:
s/federal//
Most local governments are perfectly capable of handling the "last mile" problem and can be efficient when they need to. Wasn't that the whole point of a decentralized governance, to avoid the "emipre" and "king" problems of distribution? We need to respect natural monopolies, yes. But local governance is best at handling local monopolies.
Thank you for agreeing with me. How again can comments be dangerous?
Your example is pretty weak (aka, a strawman). In the case of operator overloading, the code that looks like one thing can mean another. In your poor example, comments can be simply ingored (a 5 line perl program can strip out the useless comments), and don't affect the code operation. There's a big difference between cruft and intentional misinformation.
Use Phoenix/Firebird
The Software Release 4.0 due out soon (which is immediate if you also purchase Home Media Option), will increase the support and allow setup of a wifi 802.11b USB connector (which is what I'm waiting for!!!)
To add to the list of inconveniences: Shitty programs that for whatever reason, take 100% regardless of their usage (in windows). I mean, lots of games, encoders, oldy-but-goody 16 bit programs, you name it. If people really threaded what needed to be threaded and coded properly, then I would not need a 2nd core.
Another reason is IDE. Sure, it's fast enough, but it's pretty dumb compared to SCSI's capabilities of offloading processing and data transfer. If all desktops had good SCSI connections, massive processor speed would be less of a need.... I still love my 8x SCSI CD-RW :-)
Ok, Mr. Rhetoric.
I think the original poster was referring to the *people* not the leader. Often times even in despotic regimes, the people are patriotic and self-preservational and that is to be expected. Saying that they are "mass-murdering their own people" as an excuse for OUR INVADING THEIR COUNTRY is pretty pathetic, especially since the kurdish massacre of which you describe was because a) the kurds were backstabbed by the US (left to hang after being promised support), and b) the chemical weapons used were purchased from the US. The root of the atrocity? I doubt it stops at Saddam. Keep looking.
Please mod up parent. This is a very interesting read.
Actually, you're quite wrong. Murderers, you're right... will continue to murder, but often people view murder as a means to an end (removing an annoyance, or silencing an enemy, etc). Child porn, aside from the money to be made if it were on the black market, is NOT. Normal people can be pushed to commit murder but you will find it highly unlikely that a normal person will be pushed to child pornography. Im not talking about "teen" stuff either (real child pornography concerns itself with pre-pubescents). Normal people simply abhor the concept.
Once you make it illegal, those same normal people who might otherwise find it abhorrent now have an amoral motive: making money.
To sum it up, if you leave it alone, only the "uncurable" will still be at it. If you make it illegal, expect the immoral, uninterested money-making scum to join in (simply for the black market profits).
Yeah, until it benefits some "elite" member's cause. Think: being a soldier in Vietnam or Iraq2 war. Or how about being "collateral damage" in some domestic security action? Being a prole is no certainty of security.