Slashdot Mirror


Niue Gets Island-Wide WiFi

NinjaPablo writes "Business Wire is running a story about the polynesian island of Niue. Niue has just completed an island-wide wifi network, making it the first country with nationwide free wifi access. This comes after countrywide email was started in 1997, dialup access in 1999, and broadband this Spring, all free for anyone."

245 comments

  1. Hm.... by Suicide · · Score: 5, Funny

    Island... beach... free internet...

    Where do I sign up?

    1. Re:Hm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "former dependency of New Zealand. Affectionately known as 'the rock,' "

      A rock with WiFi access, great, what's next? A semi-deserted island in the middile of nowhere that nobody has heard of with WiFi access?

    2. Re:Hm.... by gilesroberts · · Score: 5, Funny

      These Niueans are obviously more cunning than we give them credit for. How on earth did they manage to get e-mail before dial up access?

    3. Re:Hm.... by lilricky · · Score: 5, Informative

      They had public kiosks that provided them with email.

    4. Re:Hm.... by zerocool^ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My girlfriend wants to study Iguanas. She's got a degree in animal science, focus on neurochemistry or something, and wants to go to grad school to study reptiles.

      She wants to move to airazona or something. I keep telling her to check out and see what schools have satelite programs in the polynesian isles.

      Now, I'll have to push a little more steadily.

      --
      sig?
    5. Re:Hm.... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Head in the direction of your nearest Ocean. When you get a few miles out, make a sharp right. You can't miss it!

      --
      Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
    6. Re:Hm.... by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Island... beach... free internet...
      Where do I sign up?"


      Are you kidding me? I'd sell my soul to the Devil for what these people have.

      "Up your's, God... I'm already in Heaven!"

      --
      -- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
    7. Re:Hm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Island... beach... free internet...
      > Where do I sign up?

      Two words: sea snakes. >:->

    8. Re:Hm.... by KjetilK · · Score: 1
      Why don't you try island... ice... polar bears... But much greater bandwidth! :-)

      The Svalbard archipelago gets two real fiber optic cables 3000 kms from the Norwegian mainland. It is mainly going to be used by the Norwegian Space Centre to transfer satellite data to their customers, but in fact, every house will be connected to the backbone with a VDSL line.

      Come to think about it, it shouldn't be that far along the great circle to put a fibre optic cable under the north pole when you're that close to it to Alaska, thus making a backbone with very few hops and rather short distance between Europe and US West coast...

      --
      Employee of Inrupt, Project Release Manager and Community Manager for Solid
    9. Re:Hm.... by Zaxor · · Score: 2, Informative

      The CIA World Factbook lists the former name as "Savage Island," so maybe you'd better think twice!

    10. Re:Hm.... by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend wants to play with dolphins. So she's striving to get into a marine biology program.

      When our parents were kids they wanted to be astronauts. When we were kids we wanted to be Rock Stars.

      Don't stop reaching for the highest you can attain. But let's be real here. 'Playing with iquanas' translates into 'shovel shit in grad school for peanuts to support your faculty advisor's cocktail party habit, then flip burgers' most of the time.

    11. Re:Hm.... by Rick.C · · Score: 1
      According to the article, it sounds like you'll also need a cyclone-proof yacht with an external WiFi antenna.

      From what I remember from old B movies, it's a good idea to wear some dark sunglasses so the Chief can't tell when you're oogling his daughter.

      Good luck and don't forget to write!
      --
      You were 80% angel, 10% demon. The rest was hard to explain. - Over The Rhine
      "Math in a song is good."-Linford
    12. Re:Hm.... by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

      she's pretty realistic about the iguana study.

      She knows it would be hard field work, and little gratitude, probably. But, i dunno, she's really into iguanas. We have a 2 year old iguana, female named donut. She's a sweetheart.

      I dunno, whatever she wants to do. I back it. I just don't think i'll like 95 degrees at 8PM all year around, regardless if it's a freakin dry heat or not. I've fallen in love with my mountains (southwest virginia) and I don't really want to leave them.

      ~Wx

      --
      sig?
  2. New advertising slogan by Koushiro · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Niue - Wardriving Made Easy"

    --
    Karma: Oldschool
    1. Re:New advertising slogan by jdew · · Score: 1

      nope, try Wardiving!

  3. Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts. by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But come on now, that doesn't even count! 2000 people? The UC Berkeley system is ten times that, and they're even thinking of installing campus-wide wifi.

    --
    Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
    Africus aut Europaeus?
  4. Re:Free? by gantrep · · Score: 5, Informative

    Umm no, rtfa.

    "This new free wireless service which can be accessed by all Niue residents, tourists, government offices and business travelers, is being provided at no cost to the public or local government."
    "IUS-N, a US-incorporated, private charitable foundation locally managed in Niue, was established in 1997 to use revenue from registration of .NU domain names to develop and fund free Internet services for all the people of Niue."

  5. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by insecuritiez · · Score: 1, Interesting

    UCSD has 5,500 on campus students and we've had wireless for two years now.

  6. The reason why... by sbszine · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a good snippet from the article which explains why they went for wireless over wired:

    WiFi is the perfect fit for the Island of Niue, where harsh weather conditions of rain, lightning, salt water, and high humidity cause major problems with underground copper lines

    It later goes on to talk about 'cyclone season', so I guess you could safely add wind to that list. Watch the pringles cans fly off into the stratosphere!

    --

    Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling

    1. Re:The reason why... by sahrss · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a good place for fiber lines? >:)

    2. Re:The reason why... by Imperator · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, so they're using wireless because the wind disrupts IP-over-avian. :)

      --

      Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
    3. Re:The reason why... by d99-sbr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Isn't WLAN supposed to be quite sensitive to rain and humidity? Microwaves generally lose a lot of energy to water molecules - ergo microwave ovens.

    4. Re:The reason why... by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not just that -- it'd be a right pain in the arse when your ISP migrates in the winter for a warmer climate!

    5. Re:The reason why... by atamar · · Score: 1

      Bah. They deserve what they get for replacing the standardized pigeon carrier and substituting with parrots.

      Then again, using fault-tolerant albatross carrier for extreme weather conditions might have merit...

    6. Re:The reason why... by Idarubicin · · Score: 1

      I know; you're kidding. But Niue is at 19 02 S, 169 52 W (link contains many useful facts about Niue). Where are the bird planning on migrating to?

      --
      ~Idarubicin
    7. Re:The reason why... by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Down there the birds migrate to cooler weather in the summer.

  7. Never heard of it. by gantrep · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I've never heard of the place.

    All About Niue

    1. Re:Never heard of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never seen a .nu domain name?

    2. Re:Never heard of it. by gantrep · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      But I still had never heard of the place.

    3. Re:Never heard of it. by phlako66 · · Score: 2, Informative

      One of the best South Pacific hip-hop artists is part Niue: Che Fu. http://www.che-fu.com/homepage.html

    4. Re:Never heard of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One of the best South Pacific hip-hop artists


      Just how many South Pacific hip-hop artists could there be? Yo, yo, yo, Polynesian rapper in the hizzous!

    5. Re:Never heard of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're American right? Thought so.

    6. Re:Never heard of it. by Colonel+Blimp · · Score: 1

      I met several Niueans when I was in Auckland. A good percentage of them live in NZ. Very nice people, and I'm sure its a lovely island. I'm betting there are lots of places you have never heard of. Vanuatu, Tonga, Marquessas, Tuvalu, Nauru, etc. Get a passport and go.

    7. Re:Never heard of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Suvarov.

      Hard to get to, but worth it.

      AC
      --

    8. Re:Never heard of it. by Colonel+Blimp · · Score: 1

      And Tristan de Cunha, St. Helens, Majuro, Phonpei, Kosrae, etc...

    9. Re:Never heard of it. by gantrep · · Score: 1

      I've heard of all of those except for Nauru. My comment wasn't meant in any disparaging way. If you notice, I expressed that I didn't know anything about the place and then linked to all kinds of good info from CIA world factbook, since probably many other people didn't know anything about it either. I've heard of the rest of those places excepting Nauru, and I'm sure it would be lovely to visit, but on top of a passport I also would need money, and I'm just a poor college kid.

    10. Re:Never heard of it. by Colonel+Blimp · · Score: 1

      Nauru is a mess, a small island that once boasted the highest GDP in the world. Why? Centuries of accumulated bird crap that was sold as phosphate, with all citizens getting a cut. And no one worked, millions were stolen, the government blew billions of dollars on bad investments, corruption, etc. Last I heard, the data and phone lines are cut off, and its general anarchy because there ain't much phosphate left, and its an ugly scabby little island. I knew a guy that used to be a pilot on their airline (which was mostly free for citizens), quite a surreal place.

  8. Spam haven? by cly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Spammers can make use of the unrestricted wifi to spam to their hearts delight.

    Would the place become a base for spam corporations?

    1. Re:Spam haven? by cyt0plas · · Score: 1

      Ok, so filter out SMTP, except to the island email server (throttled of course). Spammers would be banned from internet access anywhere in the country. Ouch.

      --
      Contact Me (got tired of viruses emailing me).
    2. Re:Spam haven? by billatq · · Score: 1

      Spammers can make use of the unrestricted wifi to spam to their hearts delight. Would the place become a base for spam corporations?

      That was my first thought upon seeing the article, though with proper filtering, it shouldn't be a problem.
    3. Re:Spam haven? by Imperator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RTFA, and give me some of whatever you're smoking

      The island has less than 2000 residents. That means 1 degree of separation at most, I'd guess. If you're not one of them, you kinda stick out.

      Besides, wifi has terrible bandwidth. Why fly all the way there to get what you can get at many unis for free? Hell, there are unis where you can just walk into the library, plug in your laptop, and use the school's massive bandwidth.

      As cheesy a plot as flying to Niue to spam from a secret cave hideout might be, it's an idea that 10 seconds of thought would reject.

      --

      Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
    4. Re:Spam haven? by Kefabi · · Score: 1
      As cheesy a plot as flying to Niue to spam from a secret cave hideout might be, it's an idea that 10 seconds of thought would reject.

      Now, getting spammers to think would be a good first step. THEN we can worry about trying to get them to think for ten whole seconds.

    5. Re:Spam haven? by cyb97 · · Score: 1

      WiFi has pisspoor reception in caves, so the spammers would be in trouble ;-)...

    6. Re:Spam haven? by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1
      Besides, wifi has terrible bandwidth.

      So? How much bandwidth do you think you need to fire off a thousand e-mails? Let's see, the average spam e-mail weighs in at less than 1k, 802.11b has a throughput of about 12Mbps, that's umm... carry the 3... about 1 second.

      There's a reason stolen AOL accounts are so commonly used to send spam. It doesn't take a great deal of bandwidth to get a hell of a lot of messages out there. That's also why so much spam exists in the first place.

      --
      Karma: Dyn-o-mite!(mostly affected by Jimmy Walker reading your comments)
    7. Re:Spam haven? by allanj · · Score: 1

      As cheesy a plot as flying to Niue to spam from a secret cave hideout might be, it's an idea that 10 seconds of thought would reject.


      Agreed - but that doesn't mean Hollywood won't do it anyway :-)

      --
      Black holes are where God divided by zero
    8. Re:Spam haven? by leifm · · Score: 1

      I wonder the same thing about any public access wifi. What's to stop me from walking into some coffee shop, popping open my laptop, do some type of DNS spoofing attack, sit there drink my coffee harvest some PayPal logins, drain those accounts and send them off to some Swiss bank account, finish coffee, walk out. That's a bit extreme but there is no real accountability there, where as if you pull the same kina thing from your home DSL/cable account it is probably coming back on you.

      --

      "Windows Me offers tremendous reliability and stability improvements..." -- Paul Thurott
    9. Re:Spam haven? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What will stop you (hopefully if the users aren't damn stupid) is the fact that you won't have paypal's ssl cert, and it will pop up an error to the user about the security.

    10. Re:Spam haven? by leifm · · Score: 1

      Which most people would probably click right through... I dunno, just a thought.

      --

      "Windows Me offers tremendous reliability and stability improvements..." -- Paul Thurott
    11. Re:Spam haven? by Mantorp · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, maybe the govt can work out a new mandatory mail protocol that makes email messages much larger? Then it would be much harder for spammers to cram out as many messages. Call your Congressman, (they don't read email because of all the spam).

  9. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by yppiz · · Score: 1
    On the other hand, UC Berkeley's network is closed to the greater community.

    --Pat / zippy@cs.brandeis.edu

  10. what do you want? ## by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So you want to change the definition of "nation"? Or you want to declare UC Berkeley as a nation?

    1. Re:what do you want? ## by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1

      No, I'm saying that it's not that impressive technologically.

      --
      Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
      Africus aut Europaeus?
  11. Well by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 1

    I guess that settles the Condo vs. Yacht question!

    1. Re:Well by su-geek · · Score: 1

      werd to that, I should move there next week!

  12. Anybody notice this? by jeffiel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did it strike anybody as strange that they gave nationwide email to a country two years *before* they gave dialup?

    What good is email if you can't access the internet?

    1. Re:Anybody notice this? by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Funny

      You get to still say you have nationwide email.

    2. Re:Anybody notice this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now THAT's the funniest comment I've read without trying to be funny.

    3. Re:Anybody notice this? by qorkfiend · · Score: 5, Informative

      They could access the internet, they just didn't get it for free. They DO have a telephone system.

    4. Re:Anybody notice this? by cyt0plas · · Score: 1

      Although email is a _part_ of the internet, it still serves a use in and of itself. If they were unable to provide full internet at the time, e-mail was still a worthwhile service to provide.

      Troll.

      --
      Contact Me (got tired of viruses emailing me).
    5. Re:Anybody notice this? by PerryMason · · Score: 1

      Seeing as its such a small community, I would be guessing that communal internet access would have been the first step, followed two years later with dialup for all.

      With just 2000 people on the island, you'd think that it wouldn't be too hard to get a little time on the computers at the library or community centre, for instance, to check your email. So no it didn't strike me as strange, just that with a small community and relatively small location, communal access would be both cheap and effective.

      --
      "I'm tired of all this 'Aren't humanity great' bullshit. We're a virus with shoes" - Bill Hicks
    6. Re:Anybody notice this? by brucmack · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they had (free) access terminals? Lots of people I went to school with had email before home computer access, just using the labs at school.

    7. Re:Anybody notice this? by sql*kitten · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They could access the internet, they just didn't get it for free.

      TANSTAAFL. It does have to be paid for, in this case the money comes from sales of .nu domains. Which is much better than just dropping the cost on the taxpayer and calling it "free", but the point is, the money has to come from somewhere.

    8. Re:Anybody notice this? by Porag_Spliffing · · Score: 1

      I was using email in the government and in private companies long before connections to the internet were common. Read the Friendly Article and you will find out what use they had for emailing each other before they could email the outside world.

      --
      Maybe you live in interesting times
    9. Re:Anybody notice this? by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

      They DO have a telephone system.

      Yep! And the telephone for it should be delivered any day now!

      -

      --
      - - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
    10. Re:Anybody notice this? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Which is much better than just dropping the cost on the taxpayer and calling it "free", but the point is, the money has to come from somewhere.

      In the West, the goverments would auction off the specrum itself to maximise profits, at which point commercial companies would own the network and charge us an arm and a leg to use it, with ever changing AUP polices. At least someone somewhere in the world has got it right. Do they have a tech industry that's hiring?.. ;-)

  13. Unwhored + working link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    ( BW)(INTERNET-USERS-SOCIETY) Polynesian Island of Niue the First Free Wireless Nation; Wireless HotSpot Launched in South Pacific Island of Niue

    Business Editors/High-Tech Writers

    Alofi, Niue, THE SOUTH PACIFIC--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 23, 2003--The Internet Users Society - Niue (IUS-N), today announced that it has launched the world's first free nation-wide WiFi Internet access service on the Polynesian island-nation of Niue. This new free wireless service which can be accessed by all Niue residents, tourists, government offices and business travelers, is being provided at no cost to the public or local government.
    "WiFi is the prefect fit for the Island of Niue, where harsh weather conditions of rain, lightning, salt water, and high humidity cause major problems with underground copper lines," said Richard St Clair, Co-Founder and Technical Manager at The Internet Users Society - Niue and Chairman, Pacific Island Chapter ISOC. "And since WiFi is a license free technology by International Agreement, no license is needed either by the provider or the user."
    WiFi, 802.11 or IEEE 802.11 is a type of radio technology used for wireless local area networks, based on a standard developed by the IEEE for local and wire networks within the 802.11 section. WiFi 802.11 is composed of several standards operating in different frequencies.
    A substantial portion of Niue's tourism comes from visiting yacht traffic during the non-cyclone season. Yachts with onboard computer equipment with WiFi cards and external antennas will be able to park in the harbor and access full Internet services from their vessels as an open node, also free of charge. Other visitors, consultants and tourists to the island who carry laptops with either built in WiFi or as an add-on, will also have the ability to connect to the open node free of charge for the duration of their stay. Local Internet users with recent-vintage laptops will find the built in wireless features useful as more areas are covered with RF, and users who may be in the more congested telephone circuit locales such as Alofi central will also benefit from the new technology. One government office is already hooked up to the WiFi service and it is expected others will join in as soon as the appropriate hardware is installed.
    IUS-N continues to be a leader in developing appropriate technologies to enable low-cost, dependable Internet services for all, for small nations like Niue. IUS-N technology is a model for other providers to use in developing nations that face the same hostile weather environments and where there are restrictions on the older technologies for wireless Internet services or where license costs are very high. Because these are low-power RF (Radio Frequency) transmitters, plus they consume small amounts of electricity, the technology is appropriate for smaller nations like Niue.
    WiFi is the latest free service offer by the IUS-N to all the people in Niue. In 1997, the IUS-N first introduced free Email services to the nation and subsequently launched free full Internet access services in 1999. Earlier this spring free broadband Internet services were deployed at its Internet Cafe in Niue.
    For more information and a topographical network map please see:
    http://www.niue.nu/images/Nuiepaper38.pdf
    About The Internet Users Society - Niue

    IUS-N, a US-incorporated, private charitable foundation locally managed in Niue, was established in 1997 to use revenue from registration of .NU domain names to develop and fund free Internet services for all the people of Niue. The Internet Users Society - Niue (IUS-N) was designated to administer the .NU top level domain (TLD), commonly known as the .NU Country Code TLD (ccTLD), by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), in early 1997. The IUS-N is a private, tax exempt charitable foundation, which was founded in 1997 by J. William

  14. Taxes, or tourism? by KingArthur10 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With the limited range of WiFi, they'd need a station in every house, and the financial burden of an undertaking like that would be immense. I'd imagine that, since they have broadband, they can cut some pretty cheap bulk deals around maybe $50 per station, but the costs would still be astronomical, and from the looks of the article, they are saying that there is a blanket of WiFi over the ENTIRE island. Essentially, everywhere you see a transformer on a telephone, you'd have to see a base station, but really, the interference from such electricity would cause problems, so they probably alternate. I am guessing that other than by taxes, the biggest way they are paying for all of this is from tourism, which apparently is large for such a small island. I'm betting that within two years, they'd be able to pay off the addition, and after that, it would merely be a matter of the funds to maintain the system, which will also get costly.

    --
    I came, I saw, She conquered.
    1. Re:Taxes, or tourism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the gist of what you're saying is: that's NOT how we do things in America, so it's WRONG.
      You're guessing, you're betting... do you have any fucking _facts_?

    2. Re:Taxes, or tourism? by petecarlson · · Score: 1

      I am guessing that other than by taxes, the biggest way they are paying for all of this is from tourism...

      I'm guessing you didn't know the link goes to a story which tells you they are paying for it by selling .nu domain names.

    3. Re:Taxes, or tourism? by brak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the heck are you talking about?

      $150 for a wireless bridge that will work at several miles with a $50 antenna and you'll get about 3 Mb/sec.

      Lets see, $200/year vs $50/month for DSL?

      This is such a nobrainer its not even funny. I could put an Omni on my roof and 20 households could share the connection by putting a bridge in their front window.

    4. Re:Taxes, or tourism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      802.11b can go 5 or 6 miles easily with a good antenna and clear line of site. No, a duck tail PCMCIA in your laptop won't do it.

  15. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by oneishy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They have their own TLD (.nu) Not even Berkeley has that!

  16. Re:The need for a Well-Rounded Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey bored guy. If you are gonna troll, at least try to stay on topic. Too bad your weren't a funnier writer, it could have been a good one.

  17. from the vatican-city-is-next dept. by DeadMoose · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh man. Picture the reception the Pope could get if he lined his hat with antennae.

    1. Re:from the vatican-city-is-next dept. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm sure the network in Vatican City would be 100% pr0n free...

      --
      Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
    2. Re:from the vatican-city-is-next dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Adult pr0n free anyway...

    3. Re:from the vatican-city-is-next dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and they'll run jesix routers.

      I can see it now
      jesusnet

      "Every cross transmits 802.11b"

      no wonder all those crosses always looked like tacky tv antennae to me

  18. Waryachting by Zayin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yachts with onboard computer equipment with WiFi cards and external antennas will be able to park in the harbor and access full Internet services from their vessels as an open node, also free of charge.

    Cool! Now all I need to do is buy a yacht and I will have _free internet access_! Saving $50 per month in broadband fees, I'll have a ROI on the yacht within 83 years. ($50000 yacht)

    A substantial portion of Niue's tourism comes from visiting yacht traffic during the non-cyclone season.

    So you mean there's a cyclone season as well? Damn..

    --
    "I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy"
    1. Re:Waryachting by somethinghollow · · Score: 1

      If you get really bored (and rich), you could have a string of yatchs equipt with base sations that goes all the way to some main land (or other island) and sell wireless access...during the non-cyclone season, that is. You might even make your money back if you get really really lucky.

    2. Re:Waryachting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..well, there actually is no harbor. There are a few moorings in a 'semi sheltered' bay, but that's it. The absence of a harbor is a major economic hindrance.
      The island is stunningly beautiful, though and the diving is excellent - the clearest water in the south pacific ...

  19. Re:Free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this insightful? RTFA.

    The island allows free internet access through WiFi to ANYONE, even tourists and passing ships able to get a signal. The equipment and access is all paid through the sales of the .nu domains.

    So really, the only people who pay for the internet access are mostly people who will never even use it.

    [anonymous to keep from karma whoring]

  20. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  21. Re:Free? by tommten · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No.. but probably a lot of the money came from Sweden.. since the .nu-domain is quite popular here. (FYI. in swedish the word nu means now)

    --
    - I choked on the red pill and now I'm stuck in limbo
  22. What's next? by neglige · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, free UMTS for everyone by the end of this year or next summer?

    And how about free beer (or cocktails at the beach)?

    --
    My cats ate my karma. They also wrote this comment.
  23. Please be kind. by gantrep · · Score: 5, Informative

    www.niue.nu is very very slow. Please stay away.

    Here's their history page:

    Savage Island Network History Niue (pronounced 'new-way') is a small Island in the South Pacific located at around 169 West by 19 South, and is so very isolated, the problem of Internet services has been a difficult one to say the very least. All overseas connections are expensive, bandwidth is very limited (and again, expensive).

    Local communication until a few years ago involved small phones with cranks on the side in most villages. Telecom Niue eventually upgraded those connections and local switching services improved as well. This made it possible to consider electronic communications as a possibility and it didn't take long to create local interest in where that could go.

    Development of the first version of the Savage Island Network began around January of 1995. At that time, the original system ran as a standard BBS (RABBS) running under Digital Research DOS, and was configured as a local only (intranet)email, file server and BBS service. Dubbed the Savage Island Network after the original name given to the Island of Niue by Captain Cook, that system ran 24 hours a day 7 days a week and provided the first electronic communications of it's kind on Niue, primarily to the government of Niue's internal administrative infrastructure and a handful of users interested in data communications.

    With only twenty to thirty users, the privately owned Savage Island Network was the beginning of telecommunications development on Niue and served as a training tool and learning environment for the local users as well as those who assumed the challenge of things to come and the need to be familiar with new technologies. Interestingly enough, that system logged an enourmous number of calls with what by Niue standards was a very high level of communication traffic. The need was there-potential seen.

    That system was replaced with a 32 bit version of the WildCat BBS system, and the users found themselves fast into the world of HTML and other "new look and feel" interfaces. Still it was a local only BBS running file services, ftp, news groups email and in general, being used as a teaching tool for the fifty or so users on-line. Government departments could exchange data electronically without printing it, or traveling to other departments on the Island. Value was beginning to show, traffic was on the increase and the user base was building.

    Enter Internet User's Society........

    About the time that my personal resources were starting to feel the sting of the legendary "self funded" hobby, and also during the time when ideas for an affordable world wide connection for our services were running low, the Government of Niue introduced me to the Internet User's Society in Boston Massachusetts. After many discussions with government officials and other interested parties on Niue, it was decided that the project would continue, as a private sector development, and Savage Island Network would join forces with the Internet User's Society to form the Internet Users Society Niue, in order to complete the task of bringing world wide email and Internet services to Niue.

    The fundamental plan was to set up the ccTLD .nu domain to be sold as domain registrations on the open global market. The resources generated by those sales would then be used to develop and maintain the Internet services on Niue. After a few set backs and a lot of hard work, we brought the email-only services on-line and opened to the Niuean public in March of 1997 after some weeks of testing.

    Now after some years of on-line time with world wide email services we are finally seeing the Internet as a standard communications utility. With full Internet services to Niue, and progress and development of world wide communications services, the IT development on Niue can continue as planned. Our systems continue to improve, and the services have been opened up to all permanent Niuean residents and the gov

    1. Re:Please be kind. by gantrep · · Score: 1, Informative

      feh. It converted with pdftotext, but the pdf is better. PDF Here

    2. Re:Please be kind. by gantrep · · Score: 1

      ah. damn geocities and their outside linking restrictions. Just click your cursor in the address bar and hit enter again and it goes.

    3. Re:Please be kind. by Imperator · · Score: 1

      Or don't send referers.

      --

      Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
    4. Re:Please be kind. by Greedo · · Score: 1

      Serious question: where do they get the electricity from?

      Do they have fossil-fuel burning generating stations on the island, or ... or what?

      --
      Tuus crepidae innexilis sunt.
    5. Re:Please be kind. by RedCard · · Score: 1

      Serious question: where do they get the electricity from? Do they have fossil-fuel burning generating stations on the island, or ... or what?

      According to this entry in the CIA Factbook, 100% of their electricity is generated via fossil fuel generating stations.

      However, there are apparently plans for a large wind farm.

  24. Hmm... by Cyno01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So we've got wardriving and warflying or whatever, so what do we call this? Warsailing, waryachting, warboating...

    --
    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    1. Re:Hmm... by Jacer · · Score: 4, Funny

      war, war, war your boat....

      --
      --fetch daddy's blue fright wig, i must be handsome when i release my rage
    2. Re:Hmm... by MoobY · · Score: 1

      There's no need for wardriving as it is for free, even for tourists.

      --
      --- Sigmentation Fault - Comments Dumped
  25. good to hear by Plix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I own several .nu domains myself, and they don't come cheap (to just change your dns server listings - or any other setting - costs $10 [which can be avoided by waiting until it comes time to renew the domain]). I'm just glad to hear that all that money is going to a good cause, unlike many other tlds such as .ws, .tv, etc. which are marketed as entirely american and without any significant benifit to the countries for which they were originally created.

    1. Re:good to hear by cyril3 · · Score: 1

      As i understand it Tuvalu did reasonably well out of .tv though I'm happy to be shown otherwise. An article today in The Australian talks about .la from Laos but hasn't any details on hoiw well Laos is going to do out of LA. business.

    2. Re:good to hear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .tv was bought for $90m us to be exact. that is reasonablly well i say.

    3. Re:good to hear by jayrtfm · · Score: 1

      I just gave up rtfm.nu because of the price increases. While I'd have liked to support them, the cost of the domain plus instaweb was making netsol look reasonable :-(

    4. Re:good to hear by smithmc · · Score: 1

      I'm just glad to hear that all that money is going to a good cause, unlike many other tlds such as .ws, .tv, etc. which are marketed as entirely american and without any significant benifit to the countries for which they were originally created.

      I thought the island of Tuvalu was supposed to get at least $4 million for the .tv franchise. That's not significant?

      --
      Downmodding is the refuge of the weak. Don't downmod, make a better argument!
  26. Why read the article by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Funny

    When you can just make shit up?

    --
    Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
  27. /.ing a whole nation/island by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this a first? Has /. taken out an entire nation?

    1. Re:/.ing a whole nation/island by gantrep · · Score: 1

      The link is to an article at businesswire.com, headquarters at:

      44 Montgomery Street, 39th Floor
      San Francisco, CA 94104

      So, no not directly, but it might still be /.ed in the comments if people link to some sites hosted in Niue

    2. Re:/.ing a whole nation/island by jnik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is this a first? Has /. taken out an entire nation?
      Well, dunno about slash, but Once Upon a Time maybe a decade ago somebody at MIT managed to take Portugal off the net. See, MIT and Portugal happened to have about the same size pipe....
      Of course this is based on hearsay from a sysadmin friend; apply NaCl liberally.

    3. Re:/.ing a whole nation/island by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apply NaCl liberally.

      I presume you're referring to the aphorism "taken with a grain of salt". In which case, it would not be applied liberally...

    4. Re:/.ing a whole nation/island by null-sRc · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's an act of war! and using bush logic... slashdot is in the usa .. the usa is harboring slashdot... ... declare war on usa!

      --
      -judging another only defines yourself
    5. Re:/.ing a whole nation/island by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but Niue has a slightly weaker army than the United States, and thusly is probably going to be a little less likely to use the afforementioned logic.

      Of course, I'm sure they can get the entire world bombing the US to try and take down Slashdot, if only for our spreading of the goatse rubbish.

      --
      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
    6. Re:/.ing a whole nation/island by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1


      "it's an act of war! and using bush logic... slashdot is in the usa .. the usa is harboring slashdot... ... declare war on usa!"

      Almost there.

      This wasn't done by the US government so it is an act of Terrorism, but given that the US are harboring /. then it is a fundamentalist christian (they always say God is on their side) terrorist State known to have weapons of mass destruction and willing to use them (they did that twice already) and Niue must liberate them because they are clearly a threat to their national security and to that of the rest of the Free world.

      N

      --
      "The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
    7. Re:/.ing a whole nation/island by jnik · · Score: 1

      I presume you're referring to the aphorism "taken with a grain of salt". In which case, it would not be applied liberally...
      Grain is insufficient for this sort of thing; I'm referring more to the aphorism "take it with a keg of salt."

  28. Small region by martingunnarsson · · Score: 1

    My first thought was wow, things like these are very simple to deploy in a region (island) this small. Then i realised their budget is probably pretty small as well. It feels more manageble in this scale though.

    --
    Martin
  29. Might be useful by qorkfiend · · Score: 5, Funny

    for ships out at sea for extended periods of time (or just passing by), they can take a quick run to Niue and drop off/pick up their email without having to dock..

    1. Re:Might be useful by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "for ships out at sea for extended periods of time (or just passing by), they can take a quick run to Niue and drop off/pick up their email without having to dock.."

      O...email...I had something else in mind for the sailors on extended trips....it involved 'seamen' and 'pr0n' but its too early to formulate the rest of the joke.

      --
      Buy Steampunk Clothing Online!
  30. Bwahahahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are some kind of maniacal funnyman! How can you spread your funny-throw-down quips around here without getting spammed to death by pure fun-laugh responses? Wow. I have to wake up my girlfriend and let her know at 2 am central time that there is some kind of mad comedic genius at work on Slashdot. Anything Pope is just brilliant. Pope AND hat AND the hat is large? Well, let me say friend that you have given all of us a good squirt in the face of hilarious joy. Mods, please mod this up +5 Sidesplitter! Funnyman, you've hilariously earned it!

  31. Re:Free? by dago · · Score: 2, Interesting

    nu -> now also in dutch, for that matter

    --
    #include "coucou.h"
  32. If there really is free broadband for every one... by GrodinTierce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm dying to know the details. From companies perspectives there are enough 'problems' with the flat rate model that many are switching to caps or per GB charges, so would free bandwidth be even 'worse'?

    Basically, what's the speed, and how do they deal with serious users?

    Tierce

    --


    Tierce
    Who sponsors your feelings?
  33. Nieu News by SEWilco · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nieu News Knew New Wieu-Fieu.

    1. Re:Nieu News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like they say... Nieu News is good news...

  34. That is an interesting TLA - I wonder by madmarcel · · Score: 1

    Savage Island Network == S.I.N.

    Hmmm....I wonder what they will do with all that free internet access?

  35. Re:If there really is free broadband for every one by qorkfiend · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't think they will have enough serious users to pose a problem. Most of the people are plantation farmers (or so says the CIA) so I can't imagine they have much time to go bandwidth-crazy.

    Also, the purchasing power isn't too terribly large ($7.6 mil, or $3600 per person per year) so they probably can't buy too many computers.

  36. But most niueans actually live in New Zealand.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they should also fund free wireless in New Zealand too ;) Please.

  37. Re:Free? by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

    Wow, makes you wonder how much money was made off of .it domain registration . . .

  38. Wow ... by Pacer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish the proceeds from the sale of all .com, .org, and .net domains went to giving US citizens free (and anonymous) net access.

    1. Re:Wow ... by qorkfiend · · Score: 1

      Yes! Nationalize internet access in the States! Make the DMCA as enforceable as it can be!

      Not.

    2. Re:Wow ... by gantrep · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Domain registration used to be free. I believe there should be a toplevel domain reserved for giving anyone who requests it one free domain name based on their name or any reasonable variation of their name.

    3. Re:Wow ... by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 1

      for a registrar to ask a registry (verisign com/net, affilias/pir org, neuleval biz/name?) to reserve a domain... it costs then $4 on average.

      RCOM and Verisign charge $35. There's a lot of moolah going to the bigger registrars out there. With terrible systems and support, no wonder these companies stay affloat, while godaddy charges about $8 and stays afloat. Hrm...

      --

      --
      "I'm not bright. Big words confuse me. But Wanda loves me and that should be enough for you." - Cosmo

  39. I wonder... by barbazoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...if they ever considered using ALOHA instead of WiFi.

    1. Re:I wonder... by qorkfiend · · Score: 1

      Only 18% of physical channel capacity, they probably wanted to take advantage of the in-place broadband network.

    2. Re:I wonder... by agentofchange · · Score: 1

      Basically with so many clients on the network using ALOAH it would fall over and become grid locked due to the colision of packets. Every time more than one client broadcasts at the same time the packet is dropped and resent, this leads to flooding of the network and it slows to a halt. Only one client can use the channel at a time. Thats why CSMA/CD is used. I think anyway... I proably should have checked these details.

  40. My symphaties to all Niuean wardrivers by jmaatta · · Score: 1

    Now you must find something else to do, like h4xx0ring your stupid neighbour's Win95.

  41. Re:Free? by rsborg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    FYI. in swedish the word nu means now

    Funny, in French it means nude. I wonder if they get a lot of "argent" from the cheese country?

    --
    Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting
  42. .nu TLD by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    They've been raking it in for a while by selling .nu domains, often for "adult" material ("nu" means "nude" to some people).

    --
    When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
    1. Re:.nu TLD by Troed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "nu" means "now" in Swedish - and most .nu domains I've seen are owned by Swedes. .se opened up for free registration just recently - partly to "combat" .nu.

    2. Re:.nu TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Swedes...pr0n...QED ;-)

    3. Re:.nu TLD by WeeLad · · Score: 1
      I can understand Tuvalu (.tv), but why do non-Niue people want the names with .nu? Can anyone think of creative names using that suffix?

      www.g.nu
      www.davescars-used-and.nu

      --
      Seriously, Don't take anything I say seriously.
    4. Re:.nu TLD by Doug+Lim · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but "nu" is French for "naked". French pr0n sites for everyone!

    5. Re:.nu TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .nu could be read as 'and you'
      kelly.nu
      'kelly and you'
      a perfect pr0n site huh?

  43. Re:Free? by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's really amazing. A single TLD is enough to support free internet access for an entire island. Really puts into perspective how much value Network Solutions has.

    --
    Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
  44. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by jericho4.0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, they are 259 square km, so it's not exactly tiny. Oh, and they arn't chock full of some of the leaders in computing today (a la Berkely).

    --
    "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
  45. pop density/number of access points needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    259 square km's... Hmm.... how many Access points would you need? With good antenna's, and perhaps relaxed electronic emmissions requirments (since this is being approved by the government), I figure one AP could cover 3 square km's (as a conservitave guesstimate). so that's less than 100 access points, shared among a population of around 2000... Whats an access point worth? Everyone could throw in $20 I suppose.

    1. Re:pop density/number of access points needed by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      and perhaps relaxed electronic emmissions requirments (since this is being approved by the government)

      And that's the important thing that some people here are forgetting - they don't have to give a damn about emissions, provided they don't interfere with the next island. The next question is, just how lumpy is Niue, and are the lumps big enough to significantly attenuate the signals?

    2. Re:pop density/number of access points needed by pne · · Score: 1

      If you really want "island-wide" access, I suppose you'd need quite a few. But most of the population is clustered in the 14 villages, so setting up one point per village would be a good start already. (Tough luck for the farmers out in their fields who want to check the current taro prices, though.)

      --
      Esli epei etot cumprenan, shris soa Sfaha.
  46. Re:FREE? Or paid by the tax-payers..? by qorkfiend · · Score: 2, Informative

    See earlier posts. They make their money off of selling domains in the .nu TLD and put that back into the networks. They're "a US-incorporated, private charitable foundation locally managed in Niue", so if anyone involuntarily pays for it at all, I suppose we do.

  47. Re:FREE? Or paid by the tax-payers..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read the Fucking Article.

  48. In all seriousness... by Max+Threshold · · Score: 4, Interesting

    See how much better things work in small societies where everyone feels like a significant part of the whole? This is why we Americans need to lay the smack down on our Federal government and give the power (read "money") back to our state and local governments. If your city council got the lion's share of your tax dollars, you might have free Wi-Fi, too.

    Screw this blood-for-oil bullshit! I want my free Wi-Fi!

    1. Re:In all seriousness... by qorkfiend · · Score: 1

      I'd give up free WiFi for some well-paved roads, especially after this past winter (in the Northeast at least)

    2. Re:In all seriousness... by aethera · · Score: 1

      And I'd give up well-paved roads for some high-speed commuter rails like in Germany and Japan.

    3. Re:In all seriousness... by 3Bees · · Score: 1
      If your city council got the lion's share of your tax dollars, you might have free Wi-Fi, too.

      Yea!!! ...unless...you live in a poor area...or...the country

      Actually, it is a very nice idea. Each locality can keep strict control over emigration and immigration to make sure that there is a nice balance of cash inflow and required civil services. Keep the poor out, and you don't have to pay anything for them. Of course, you also don't get the benefits of their labor, but you can just build your factory outside the city walls...and pay for infrastructure etc.

      The greeks solved this problem (labor in the city states) with foreign slaves.

      Contrary to how the tone of this message may appear, I actually favor a decreased federal beauracracy (beauracracies are, by their nature, self-perpetuating resource grabbing beasts). It does, however, have it's place and needs to stay strong.

      --
      "I think we should tax people who stand in water! " - Mr. Gumby
    4. Re:In all seriousness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the homeless guy who freezes his ass off every night sleeping on the steps of City Hall. I'm sure he would be ecstatic to get free Wi-Fi.

    5. Re:In all seriousness... by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1

      You know what, you're right and I'm wrong. What ever was I thinking?

      I'm sure the homeless are much happier with the assurance of cheap gasoline for their new SUVs.

  49. Re:If there really is free broadband for every one by Imperator · · Score: 5, Funny
    how do they deal with serious users?
    They get voted off the island.
    --

    Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
  50. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by kuiken · · Score: 2, Informative

    actualy they sold it i think, and used that money to pay for all the freebees

    --

    42
  51. WARSHIP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    duuuuhhhh... :)

    1. Re:WARSHIP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... let's warship an internet connection, then!

  52. Maui Sky Fiber by kevlar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maui Sky Fiber in Hawaii has deployed a wireless 3G internet solution. For $14/day you can have broadband from anywhere on the western part of the island. I'm using it right now, and while their setup software needs serious help, the throughput and reliablity of the actual service is great.

    1. Re:Maui Sky Fiber by Wes+Janson · · Score: 1

      Fourteen bucks a day? Sounds a wee bit expensive.

    2. Re:Maui Sky Fiber by kevlar · · Score: 1

      The package I'm using is for people in resorts. You can sign up monthly for something around $40.

  53. uni? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    what the hell is a "uni"?

    Unicorn?

    Unicycle?

    Unilateral agreement?

    If you can't say the full word, please don't bother posting.
    1. Re:uni? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose you always say trash canister and never trash can?

    2. Re:uni? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I say "rubbish bin" Nice try though.

  54. I was just thinking by qa'lth · · Score: 5, Funny

    That if we parked a yacht offshore and started up Kazaa.. it'd be giving a whole new meaning to coastal piracy.

  55. Re:Now Beach AND Wireless thats FUNNY! by Hadlock · · Score: 0, Redundant

    if i had the points, i would mod you up.

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
  56. .Nu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this is news?

  57. hm by ConsoleDeamon · · Score: 1

    i need to move the iland im on now hawe like 4000 inhabitants and europe's most expensive adsl.

  58. Re:Free? by mlush · · Score: 1

    Hmmm the moderation on this is -1, Insightful which seems exactly right

  59. Re:If there really is free broadband for every one by The+J+Kid · · Score: 1

    They should make a Real Life TV series of that!

    What a great idea! Hope, Bezos doesn't have it patented allready though...*sigh*

    --
    Moderation: +4. Modded 70% Funny and 30% Overrated. 100% Saturated.
  60. Until tomorrow... by MosesJones · · Score: 1


    I mean how many Slashdot geeks have booked holidays there already on the back of this ? And you can bet the MIT and Berkley have already nabbed the best loungers.

    --
    An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
  61. In related news by stevenp · · Score: 1

    In related news:

    The Khumu island is the first island in the history of communications to be fully covered by WiFi, GSM, 3G and Bluetooth at the same time. The coverage exceeds 96% of the total area of the island.
    Both of the inhabitants of the island declare that they are planning to buy GSM phones and WiFi enabled laptops in the near future. Currently they are trying to get supplies of fresh watter, food and looking for someone to take them away from the goddamn island, but to no avail.

  62. Re:FREE? Or paid by the tax-payers..? by pe1rxq · · Score: 1

    What do you mean with involuntarily?
    Is somebody forcing you to register .nu domains???

    Jeroen

    --
    Secure messaging: http://quickmsg.vreeken.net/
  63. ...And after global warming... by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 2, Funny


    They can be the first to supply transpacific fibre-optic cable internet connections to all the aquatic residents of their submerged kingdom...

    --
    There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
  64. small = nimble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good to see the internet being brought to the people. I wonder when our united-yet-disconnected states of america will get with the program.

  65. .nu TLD by rembem · · Score: 1

    Niue got rich a couple of years ago by selling it's .nu top level domain.

  66. What am I missing? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse me, but I'm not trolling, just ignorant.

    Why would you get a .nu domain? What is it I am missing?

  67. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by AlfredoLambda · · Score: 0

    Hurry Up!!! Somebody register http://www.g.nu

  68. Driving? (was Re:New advertising slogan) by mousse-man · · Score: 1

    That would rather be warwalking, since I doubt they have an awful lot of cars over there.

    1. Re:Driving? (was Re:New advertising slogan) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its an island. So.. you sail there ...

      Warsailing comes to mind as... oh wait, the WiFi is free? I guess your not really warring for a network then.

  69. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by ender- · · Score: 1

    And I'm a proud user of that TLD!

    People always look at me funny when I give my email address though. "dot nu[new]?? What the heck is dot nu?!?"

    It's actually quite popular since it means "now" in um... Swedish I think. Or one of those other crazy European languages. :)

    Ender

  70. Nice island, I would love to visit. by thbigr · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.niueisland.com/

    I can't just see my self on the beach drinking a fruity beverage and surfing the web.

    --
    Come the revolution, the Bourgeois, Capitalistic, "A PARKING STICKER HOLDERS", will be first against the wall!
  71. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by mazevedo · · Score: 1

    And in Portuguese it means "naked"!!! :D

    --
    mazevedo
  72. Now that's Karma... by SunPin · · Score: 1
    It later goes on to talk about 'cyclone season', so I guess you could safely add wind to that list. Watch the pringles cans fly off into the stratosphere!

    Annoying Linux zealots get to watch their junk food get hijacked by real Penguins.

    --
    Laws are for people with no friends.
  73. Spam and other no-nos? by judzillah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Somebody mentioned above that spammers would be a problem. This would seem to be a problem, not just spammers, but any trouble making hooligans, how do they go about making sure their users play fair on the net and don't end up causing a ruckus by doing foolish harmful things? Should they be concerned at all?

  74. "uni" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there are only so many things a "trash can" could possibly be. When someone says "uni", my first thought is "unicorn", despite the fact that I studied at Unisa!

    1. Re:"uni" by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      "Uni" seems to be a pretty common abbreviation in informal English. Maybe it just hasn't made it to SA yet.

  75. Re:If there really is free broadband for every one by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

    You'd be surprised at the amount of porn a plantation farmer can download.

  76. Free? by kimbo · · Score: 1

    Somebody has to be paying. The reality is that it is cost re-distribution. The gov. of the island is redirecting revenue from the sale of the TLD "nu" to pay for it. Free sounds nice until you figure out that someone is really snaking money out the islnader's wallets on the sly. If you park your boat offshore and soak up the bandwidth you have transferred the cost to the island's gov. and indirectly to each citizen of the island.

  77. The next island by Cackmobile · · Score: 2, Funny

    So when is my island going to get full wifi coverage. I knows its a problem that I live on the biggest one around; Australia. Come on Alston!!

    --
    -- Karma Karma Karma Karma, Karma Chameleon - Boy George
    1. Re:The next island by UserGoogol · · Score: 1

      Technichally you're classified as a continent. It's a minor difference, but if you're going to consider yourself an island, you might as well consider Antarctica, America, and Afro-Eurasia islands too.

      --
      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
    2. Re:The next island by Cackmobile · · Score: 1

      we always learnt at school that we were an island as well as a continent.

      --
      -- Karma Karma Karma Karma, Karma Chameleon - Boy George
  78. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by godal · · Score: 1

    When did berkeley become a separate country? did I miss something here?

  79. EE question by elliotweston · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As a non-EE, I can't tell whether this passage is pure bloviation or not:
    Niue has no natural Earth ground, and therefore actually appears to an energy source as a giant capacitor-resistor floating on the ocean floor some thousands of feet down. Add to that the dielectric constant of ocean water, with a fresh water lens floating in coral and it makes Niue a very interesting specimen of electrical properties. Instead of being called one of the largest coral atolls in the world, perhaps it should better be called the worldâ(TM)s largest electronic component, a virtual âoepie network tankâ or âoecapacitive resistance tank.â
    The quote is from the pdf referenced at the bottom of the news item, http://www.niue.nu/images/Nuiepaper38.pdf
  80. Re:What am I missing? Really? by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's the place for all things nu, like, er, nu metal. Also, nu is French for nude, so I imagine there are plenty of domains along the lines of femmes.nu... no, that's been revoked apparently. Well there's still hommes.nu if that's your thing.

  81. Re:Free? by zaroastra · · Score: 1

    im portuguese it means naked... Estou nu - > i'm naked

    --
    I'm trying to get modded "Interesting Flamebait Informative and Insightful Redundant Troll" *-* Please Help *-*
  82. Re:Free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats the sort of important and useful lingual information we need more of on Slashdot. Now if you can tell me how to order beer we're all set.

  83. NewsFlash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not everyone in the world speaks English! Film at 11 (With subtitles).

    Nu is "New" in a lot of northern European/Scandinavian languages, and "Nude" in a lot of southern European languages.

    Gee, I wonder why they'd want that TLD?!

    1. Re:NewsFlash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A lot" of languages, eh?

      "Nu" is "now" in Swedish. Not a lot of northern European languages. The only one I can think of that comes close is "ny" which in Norwegian means "new".

  84. Re:Niue Gets Island-Wide WiFi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahaha, thats so funny! They're from an Island in the Pacific, so they must be like, witch doctors and stuff, with names like "Whoabumbo"! They must be savages who don't know what an antibiotic is, so how can they find the internet useful?! They'd just eat the mouse anyway! Hahahaha. You're so funny!

  85. Well, first permanent one, anyway by longlever · · Score: 1

    The Financial Cryptography conference in 2000 was held on the Caribbean island of Anguilla. The organisers cranked up WiFi so that people had access all over the island. So, if you count temporary measures, then Anguilla was first, not Niue.

  86. Re:Niue Gets Island-Wide WiFi by djupedal · · Score: 1

    I went a long ways for the donald duck joke and you're too busy being jealous, so... you missed it. shooommmm...right over your pointed little head.

    I'll dummy it down next time, just for you :)

  87. Where we've /.'ed by talieos · · Score: 1
    It's at 19 South and 169 West, near Samoa and Tonga, and has a max elevation of 732. Mostly limestone upthrust, so some neat caves. And they claim to be rarely hit by hurricanes. Lots of costline, beaches and reefs too! It sounds positively gorgeous.

    On my map, which is about 5 years old, it claims to be owned by NZ...but the web site only says associated with NZ.

    Mmm...they grow Taro and bananas...both make excellent ice cream and bubble tea.

    I say it's time for another vacation! Let's start the /. travel agency!

    1. Re:Where we've /.'ed by astro-g · · Score: 1

      I think - Im not entirely sure
      I think that we Annexed them back in the days when NZ was so damn disgustingly close to being a comunist dictatorship, without actually being one.
      (read, 60's, 70's)
      Basically, It means we Have an enourmous stretch of ocean between here and there,
      as part of our exclusive economic Zone
      (read, normally 100 mile limit)
      And alost as big National waters (read, normally 20 mile limit)

  88. Total bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Niue, and what they don't say is our taxes are some of the highest in the world. Poverty is rampant and there is a great deal of crime. Personally, I am looking to move but can't get rid of my property. I'd trade a decent place to live for free internet anytime.

  89. Poor choice by mobileskimo · · Score: 1

    I don't think so. Nakataka or whatever his name is, already said he's shutting down the off-shore fincancial industry on the island. Sounds like he ran that gambit and didn't like the smell of it. I don't think he'll like spam.

    Besides, why would spammers go anywhere? They like it in the US. The best anonymity anyplace on the Earth. Laws and businesses are fighting on both sides of the fence. Gives spammers plenty of room to maneuver, endlessly, while making lots of money.

    Moving to a remote island to spam? What a silly idea. If I were a spammer, I'd keep my business in the US. I might move residentially to this island.

    --
    "Last one in is a rotten goblin!" - Kepp
    1. Re:Poor choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The project was funded off of selling domains to porn sites. I don't think they're that altruistic.

      The island isn't really polynesian. It was uninhabited until relatively recently, and settled by white New Zealanders.

  90. Coming soon... by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 0

    http://www.goat.se

    The official residence of Mr. Goatse (he of the stretched orifices).

    1. Re:Coming soon... by Troed · · Score: 1

      Coming soon? That link works. "personal portfolio" .. hmm :)

  91. Simple. by StarKruzr · · Score: 2, Funny

    They built a Wonder that let them skip an item in the Tech Tree.

    Duh.

    --

    +++ATH0
  92. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by jeffy210 · · Score: 1

    259 km^2 is only about 155 mi^2 which is not much bigger than about 12 miles by 12 miles... that's damn small IMO.

    --
    ------
    "And may your days be long upon the earth."
  93. Simmilar to Cryponomicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This reminds me of Neal Stevenson's book Cryptonomicon. What's next for Niue, it's own online currency and free van eck phreakers for everyone? I think that it's a great idea and the US should follow suit (like that would ever happen), but it certinly reminds me or Neal's book.

  94. CIA Factbook entry on Niue by tellurian · · Score: 2, Informative
  95. now this post is funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    loved it!

  96. Re:Free? by PopeAlien · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and I'd be really mad if our government did that and I suddenly stopped recieving my portion of the nations income from selling TLD's. This is not cost re-distribution, Its revenue re-distribution - theres a difference. In this case the money coming in from the sale of .nu is going to pay for bandwidth for the entire island rather than a bigger house for a CEO.

    You're right somebody is paying, but its not the islanders, its the people buying .nu domains.

  97. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In French in means 'naked' or 'nude'
    In German 'now'
    In English it sounds like new, but that you certainly knew already.

  98. Re:What am I missing? Really? by jas79 · · Score: 1

    nu is also dutch for now.

  99. Re:What am I missing? Really? by balrog66 · · Score: 1

    It is also Danish and Swedish for now. The .nu TLD has been especially popular in Sweden; domains under .se used to be hard to get.

  100. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hell, if they were much smaller they could just one one Bluetooth access point.

    -

    --
    - - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
  101. Taxes? by chrisbw · · Score: 1

    I'd be curious to see what their tax levels look like...

    Nothing is "free," I'm guessing you might be better off footing the bill for your own Internet access ;)

    --
    Chris -- http://www.bitter.net/
  102. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by kitzilla · · Score: 1

    The last I checked, Berkeley wasn't a nation. An island, perhaps, but that's another story.

    --
    This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
  103. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 1
    Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts.

    That's an arrogant statement, don't you think.

    Belittle the people's accomplishment because you're from a bigger country.

    Maybe the Niue people could say "American landing on the moon shouldn't count because they have the advantage of being extremely rich"? Sounds silly doesn't it? Well its the same as saying Niue's accomplishment shouldn't count because they're so small.

    --
    Based on upvotes, Ageism is the only "-ism" Slashdotters care about and think isn't SJW
  104. That's kind of suprising by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression that their economy had tanked after all the phosphate had been mined and their government was in chaos. I'm suprised anyone had the time or money to actualy go out and do this : P

    --
    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
    1. Re:That's kind of suprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're thinking of the island of Nauru. Different country.

  105. Figures by aldousd666 · · Score: 1

    I never thought I'd have to say something like "Well, I could always move to a small desert island where the data flows like water." I can't even get a friggin dialup connection over 26kbps, and these people are getting wifi. Western PA sucks. Unless you live in a town. (which a lot of us don't)

    --
    Speak for yourself.
  106. Tax by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    Considering the absolute crap that countries spend their tax money on (for example "aid" to israel, more nuclear weapons, stupid laws and their futile enforcement, pay-outs for companys, things no-one wants. To think we could all enjoy free communications like we do other things (well obviously taken out of our taxes) Aslong as they arnt enforcing censorship etc. Sure, people might abuse it but then people abuse roads and highways and other services. Its all about the tax model.

    Ok im talking crap - i just want free internet. Hmm ok maybe not free internet, but a free country wide network (obviously it would have gateways to the rest of the internet, maybe also free, maybe private)

    --
    This comment does not represent the views or opinions of the user.
  107. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by rhombic · · Score: 1

    You've obviously never visited the People's Republic of Berkeley

    --
    1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
  108. Australia wide FREE WiFi by badman99 · · Score: 0

    I can't wait till we get free internet access via WiFi here in Australia....Means I could potentially read my EMAIL's while wrestling crocodiles. Hell I could even browse porn while travellin in a Kangaroos pouch on the way to work. A Dingo stole my girlfriend

  109. Also by astro-g · · Score: 1

    from memory the highest point on the ilsand is only something like a metre above high tide (obviously not counting tree's, buildings and the like) storm surge must be a real bitch

  110. Human Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but most people with the power to get there would be tired of being stuck on a boat for any length of time and decide to go see whats on the island. Once, there their girlfriends would make them spend money.

  111. um, 80% desert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't Astralia 80% unlivable? Why would you want to cover unpopulated areas at the expense of your tax $?

  112. Tourism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not if your business (and everyone you're related to) depends on Tourism to the island. As a business I'd rather someone else provide ISP service for my coffee shop than have to worry about something else I know nothing about.

  113. Re:Free? by pyrote · · Score: 1
    --
    THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!!! eventually.
  114. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by pyrote · · Score: 1

    heh, he said closed... BYU supposidly is 'closed' too, but all you have to do is assign your own DNS and it works.. oh ya nd turn off proxy detect.

    most schools security are more loose than it's alumni.

    --
    THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!!! eventually.
  115. What sounds much sweeter... by gramafonov · · Score: 1

    ...is and island-wide Wi-Fi network on the island of North America - so that you never end up desperately looking for a hotspot anymore.

  116. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The entire city of Berkeley is a bit more than 10 square miles.

  117. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by kitzilla · · Score: 1

    Ah, but I have. Just my point, Comrade. ;-)

    --
    This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
  118. Re:FREE? Or paid by the tax-payers..? by qorkfiend · · Score: 1

    No. Since they're a charity, they're tax exempt. Therefore, the remainder of the US taxpayers must make up that difference.

  119. Re:Free? Yes, but Something Wrong. by NiueIsland · · Score: 1

    FYI...the .nu domain name has been hijack by the people behind the present management of .nu and they installed WiFi without permission from the Government of Niue and Niue Telecom. The .nu hijacker is now is trying to polish their names on the net so that they can delay the redelegation process of .nu. FYI the whole Island is not yet fully connected by WiFi, it is only cover the small area in Alofi center, in fact nobody yet at present was able to connect on the WiFi. The Dialup connection speed here is only up to 28.8Kbps. Not yet hi-tech my friend. For more info visit this http://www.okakoa.nu and click on Commission of Inquiry. Info about Gonvernment of Niue visit http://www.gov.nu/ (the truth is something happend from the past that the .nu has been taken advantage because of ignorance of the Niueans about the use of .nu when it was newly introduced) Please support the redelegation of .nu for the future of Niue.

  120. Re:Small island nations shouldn't count for firsts by netskip · · Score: 1

    Despite another poster's math, it's actually about 100 sq. miles (260 * 0.6214 * 0.6214). According to the CIA fact book, it's actually one of the world's largest coral islands.

    Still, with an estimated population of 2134 as of July 2002, it has fewer people than our local high school, so by that measure it's pretty darn small. A typical desktop class computer could process the tax returns for the entire country.