That might be the case, but when I see folks who think owning a truck should be a capital crime in the posting, and those comments up-modded, well, I tend to expect the worst from most posters.
Very little in life is about needing a reason to own and use something. If someone has the resources to own a SUV that is their right. I am not compelled to dictate how you (the generic) spend your money. We can all live very comfortably without TV, lawns, cigarettes, video games, and many other things. There is no need for any of those items, and many have undesirable effects to individuals and others. All of those have at one point had a lobby fighting against them in the name of the "children."
For all the talk of liberty, the comments in this story tell me that the idea is far from here.
This particular one does not, though they do have a delivery service for orders over a certain board foot which as a hobbiest I rarely ever approach. But that was just an example of the sorts of uses I have the suburban for, others include helping haul landscaping materials, helping someone move a piece if furniture, or getting building supplies.
Either way, renting is demonstratably more expensive and inconvient. Those trucks that Lowes and Home Depot rent out are to make a profit, not because they are nice people. The guys at UHaul are also in the business to make money (which is the rental I priced out, fwiw).
Road service is pretty much up to the job where I live. Oops, I forgot... taxes baaaaad, truck gooood.
That's nice, you choose to live where plowing happens the same day of the storm. Some people choose to live where their nearest neighbor is a healthy walk. Living in a lake effect snow belt the roads nearly constantly have some sort of snow or ice on them. Keeping them all cleared would require resources beyond the township, county or state's resources.
(b) it floods
I'd rather have a boat than a truck in that case. Or a hovercraft.
Boats are also known as "holes in the water you throw money into." You think a SUV gets bad fuel efficiency, check out boats. The fact of the matter is that the parent you were replying to used a toy of his to help people in need. The toy also has dual purpose for plowing and getting folks out of a ditch, and evidently rescue work.
(c) they are moving
Last time I moved, I rented a truck. I mean, a _real_ truck (7.5 ton). I only needed it for a day.
Last time I moved I hooked up a trailer to my suburban and hauled stuff to the new house. And while building the new house I hauled lumber, drywall, tile, and a ton of building materials to the site. I could have rented a truck every day from May to December, but that might get a bit pricey. I could rent a truck each time I haul stone for a friend for landscaping. Every time a friend needs help moving I could rent a truck.
(d) they drive into a ditch
I usually don't. My dad does that a lot, but then again, he's got a 4WD and thinks he won't get stuck. He usually needs to call someone with a fscking tractor to pull him out, though.
Perhaps your father should assess his abilities with driving and consider the conditions better when he is out in poor weather. But that is a personal issue for him, not for everyone driving a truck.
Every winter I pull numerous folks out of the ditch, ranging from little cars which should be parked in the weather to trucks the size of my suburban. I keep a kit of sand, salt, shovels, and chains in the suburban at all times. Folks can wait for a wrecker or have me pull them out for free, and I have only had one person rather pay someone else.
(e) they need a truck but only have a little munchkin car
See (c). When I need a truck, I rent one. That's easy with all the money I save by not owning a truck. Heck, I even have money left over.
You have obviously never built a house, remodeled a house, or landscaped. While I do not usually use my suburban for commuting I use it regularly enough that renting a truck each time I need the hauling capacity, need 4wd, or towing capability I would incur more of a cost.
At $4 a gallon it takes about $160 to fill up from empty. But I also get about 17mpg and fill up about once a month as I don't drive it every day. My car gets about 28mpg, but gets driven nearly every day.
Lets consider if I did rent each time I needed a truck.
Senario: I am picking up a couple hundred board feet of oak. House to rental (20 miles). Rental to Lumber Store (15 miles). Lumber Store to House (35 miles).
Renting: @28mpg - H -> R (20 miles) -.7 gallons - Time: 20 minutes @17mpg - R -> S -> H -> R (70 miles) - 4.1 gallons - Time: 70 minutes @28mpg - R -> H (20 miles) -.7 gallons - Time: 20 minutes
Owning: @17mpg - H -> S -> H (70 miles) - 4.1 gallons - Time: 70 minutes
So, I save 40 minutes (of travel time, not including rental time), 1.4 gallons of gas, and $20 base rental, $41 for rental millage). At $4 a gallon I save $66 dollars for the one load of oak.
Since I need a second vehicle the registration is moot (it costs that same for both our vehicles) as is the maintenance costs. It probably gets driven a total of 50 miles a week on average for er
Yes, and Abraham complies. What do you think would have happened if he hadn't? All love and smiles and forgiveness?
Well, for one, we likely would have been hearing about some other fellow instead of Abraham in Genesis. You are attributing actions to God which you and I do not know what would have happened though.
Oh, you poor, persecuted Christians. Get real. For nearly 2000 years, Christians have been persecuting, destroying, and killing others.
Closer to 1700, and it really depends on your location. Up until Constantine Christians were persecuted themselves. And while there are a few low points within Church history, not all has been persecution. But it sounds much more dramatic that way, I know.
No, I don't "hate" you, I hate your sin. And you do have a choice: abandon that evil.
"Listen to my gospel, I have the answers, turn from your evil." Gonna sell me a little plastic Dawkins with that?
Even if that weren't the case, don't Christians believe that all the Old Testament stuff (some of which is quite strange IIRC) is, uh, "deprecated" anyway?
Most Christians see the levitical law as "deprecated" as Christ fulfilled the role of the sacrifice and atonement for sin. Some of the odder laws actually have a bit of reason behind them that isn't apparent at first. Such as, do not boil a kid in it's mother's milk as something some of the other tribes in the area were doing. Others, we can only speculate at the reason.
But the law is really only a small portion of the old testament. The Bible shows many facets of God. A lot of folks think the old testament is all fire and brimstone, but that is far from an accurate description.
Take the book of the Hosea for instance. Hosea is told to marry a harlot (whore) which he does and is told to love her. Well, over time his wife fools around with other men and is all along unfaithful. Well, through this seemingly un-Godly thing that God commands Hosea, he teaches Israel that they are being unfaithful towards God. As Hosea tries to claim his wife back time after time, it shows that God chases after Israel time after time. This would hardly be said to be "deprecated" as it is showing a facet of God.
There is a large portion of the old testament that is also historical. These parts also would not be considered "deprecated" just as we do not toss history books simply because they are old (well, assuming we are not being revisionists in the public school system).
There is the wisdom literature, such as Ecclesiastes and Proverbs, which is still relevant for today. Everyone who has heard the song "To Everything There Is a Season" knows that.;-)
So, no, Christians in general do not believe the old testament is "deprecated" by any means. Simply some parts have been fulfilled by Christ.
Can you imagine how annoyed the Christian God would be if you shot arrows at him? I mean, he even gets pissed if you don't kill your son when he orders you to.
If you wish to hate Christians, at least have a valid reason.
I am guessing, but you seem to be referring to the story of Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac on the the mountain. There is no wrath at all in the story. God simply orders Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, so Abraham believing that God is good and will raise his son from the ashes. When Abraham has Isaac tied up and is ready to sacrifice him and angel stops him. The entire story is a test of Abraham's faith.
As I said before, if you wish to hate Christians, go ahead. But have a valid reason. You can think that God testing Abraham's faith in such a way was cruel or some other reason. But, what you said above just reeks of ignorance.
I'll kill a man in a fair fight. Or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight. Or if he bothers me. Or if there's a woman. Or if I'm gettin' paid. Mostly when I'm gettin' paid.
As odd as it may sound, my suburban can get 750+ miles on a single tank. If I had a second tank on it, I would be able to easily reach 900 miles. There are a number of trucks that have reserve tanks as an option.
While abortion is not directly spoken about, the concepts are covered. In the Psalms David writes "Even in the womb You knew me..." This implies that even in the womb the child is human and alive. Your premise that the Bible is silent on the topic is incorrect.
This being distilled down to the root that killing an innocent life is wrong is all that is needed to see why Christians are against abortion.... How do you feel about animal testing?...
No concern at all. Human life is greater than animal or plant life. Again, this is covered in various passages found in the Bible. Man is given dominion over the animals, indeed the whole of creation in genesis.
Again, this view is simple when distilled to the belief that human life is precious, where animal life is of less value (This is not to say you cannot disagree, but is simpley the Biblical perspective).
I also can't help but notice there aren't many people in wheel chairs,...
You have never been to an anti-abortion rally then. Most of the participants are women, moms even. At the last Right to Life dinner I was at nearly 75% of the folks there were women. The anti-abortion crowd is not a large number of white men rallying to oppress women, and to view it as such is willful ignorance. The movement is largely Christian families who have a desire to save lives of those who are otherwise unprotected.
I know I am not the OP you were responding to, but I don't think I am being completely unreasonable in my arguments here.
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That might be the case, but when I see folks who think owning a truck should be a capital crime in the posting, and those comments up-modded, well, I tend to expect the worst from most posters.
Very little in life is about needing a reason to own and use something. If someone has the resources to own a SUV that is their right. I am not compelled to dictate how you (the generic) spend your money. We can all live very comfortably without TV, lawns, cigarettes, video games, and many other things. There is no need for any of those items, and many have undesirable effects to individuals and others. All of those have at one point had a lobby fighting against them in the name of the "children."
For all the talk of liberty, the comments in this story tell me that the idea is far from here.
This particular one does not, though they do have a delivery service for orders over a certain board foot which as a hobbiest I rarely ever approach. But that was just an example of the sorts of uses I have the suburban for, others include helping haul landscaping materials, helping someone move a piece if furniture, or getting building supplies.
Either way, renting is demonstratably more expensive and inconvient. Those trucks that Lowes and Home Depot rent out are to make a profit, not because they are nice people. The guys at UHaul are also in the business to make money (which is the rental I priced out, fwiw).
(a) it snows a lot
Road service is pretty much up to the job where I live. Oops, I forgot
That's nice, you choose to live where plowing happens the same day of the storm. Some people choose to live where their nearest neighbor is a healthy walk. Living in a lake effect snow belt the roads nearly constantly have some sort of snow or ice on them. Keeping them all cleared would require resources beyond the township, county or state's resources.
(b) it floods
I'd rather have a boat than a truck in that case. Or a hovercraft.
Boats are also known as "holes in the water you throw money into." You think a SUV gets bad fuel efficiency, check out boats. The fact of the matter is that the parent you were replying to used a toy of his to help people in need. The toy also has dual purpose for plowing and getting folks out of a ditch, and evidently rescue work.
(c) they are moving
Last time I moved, I rented a truck. I mean, a _real_ truck (7.5 ton). I only needed it for a day.
Last time I moved I hooked up a trailer to my suburban and hauled stuff to the new house. And while building the new house I hauled lumber, drywall, tile, and a ton of building materials to the site. I could have rented a truck every day from May to December, but that might get a bit pricey. I could rent a truck each time I haul stone for a friend for landscaping. Every time a friend needs help moving I could rent a truck.
(d) they drive into a ditch
I usually don't. My dad does that a lot, but then again, he's got a 4WD and thinks he won't get stuck. He usually needs to call someone with a fscking tractor to pull him out, though.
Perhaps your father should assess his abilities with driving and consider the conditions better when he is out in poor weather. But that is a personal issue for him, not for everyone driving a truck.
Every winter I pull numerous folks out of the ditch, ranging from little cars which should be parked in the weather to trucks the size of my suburban. I keep a kit of sand, salt, shovels, and chains in the suburban at all times. Folks can wait for a wrecker or have me pull them out for free, and I have only had one person rather pay someone else.
(e) they need a truck but only have a little munchkin car
See (c). When I need a truck, I rent one. That's easy with all the money I save by not owning a truck. Heck, I even have money left over.
You have obviously never built a house, remodeled a house, or landscaped. While I do not usually use my suburban for commuting I use it regularly enough that renting a truck each time I need the hauling capacity, need 4wd, or towing capability I would incur more of a cost.
At $4 a gallon it takes about $160 to fill up from empty. But I also get about 17mpg and fill up about once a month as I don't drive it every day. My car gets about 28mpg, but gets driven nearly every day.
Lets consider if I did rent each time I needed a truck.
Senario: I am picking up a couple hundred board feet of oak. House to rental (20 miles). Rental to Lumber Store (15 miles). Lumber Store to House (35 miles).
Renting:
@28mpg - H -> R (20 miles) -
@17mpg - R -> S -> H -> R (70 miles) - 4.1 gallons - Time: 70 minutes
@28mpg - R -> H (20 miles) -
Owning:
@17mpg - H -> S -> H (70 miles) - 4.1 gallons - Time: 70 minutes
So, I save 40 minutes (of travel time, not including rental time), 1.4 gallons of gas, and $20 base rental, $41 for rental millage). At $4 a gallon I save $66 dollars for the one load of oak.
Since I need a second vehicle the registration is moot (it costs that same for both our vehicles) as is the maintenance costs. It probably gets driven a total of 50 miles a week on average for er
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Yes, and Abraham complies. What do you think would have happened if he hadn't? All love and smiles and forgiveness?
Well, for one, we likely would have been hearing about some other fellow instead of Abraham in Genesis. You are attributing actions to God which you and I do not know what would have happened though.
Oh, you poor, persecuted Christians. Get real. For nearly 2000 years, Christians have been persecuting, destroying, and killing others.
Closer to 1700, and it really depends on your location. Up until Constantine Christians were persecuted themselves. And while there are a few low points within Church history, not all has been persecution. But it sounds much more dramatic that way, I know.
No, I don't "hate" you, I hate your sin. And you do have a choice: abandon that evil.
"Listen to my gospel, I have the answers, turn from your evil." Gonna sell me a little plastic Dawkins with that?
Even if that weren't the case, don't Christians believe that all the Old Testament stuff (some of which is quite strange IIRC) is, uh, "deprecated" anyway?
;-)
Most Christians see the levitical law as "deprecated" as Christ fulfilled the role of the sacrifice and atonement for sin. Some of the odder laws actually have a bit of reason behind them that isn't apparent at first. Such as, do not boil a kid in it's mother's milk as something some of the other tribes in the area were doing. Others, we can only speculate at the reason.
But the law is really only a small portion of the old testament. The Bible shows many facets of God. A lot of folks think the old testament is all fire and brimstone, but that is far from an accurate description.
Take the book of the Hosea for instance. Hosea is told to marry a harlot (whore) which he does and is told to love her. Well, over time his wife fools around with other men and is all along unfaithful. Well, through this seemingly un-Godly thing that God commands Hosea, he teaches Israel that they are being unfaithful towards God. As Hosea tries to claim his wife back time after time, it shows that God chases after Israel time after time. This would hardly be said to be "deprecated" as it is showing a facet of God.
There is a large portion of the old testament that is also historical. These parts also would not be considered "deprecated" just as we do not toss history books simply because they are old (well, assuming we are not being revisionists in the public school system).
There is the wisdom literature, such as Ecclesiastes and Proverbs, which is still relevant for today. Everyone who has heard the song "To Everything There Is a Season" knows that.
So, no, Christians in general do not believe the old testament is "deprecated" by any means. Simply some parts have been fulfilled by Christ.
Can you imagine how annoyed the Christian God would be if you shot arrows at him? I mean, he even gets pissed if you don't kill your son when he orders you to.
If you wish to hate Christians, at least have a valid reason.
I am guessing, but you seem to be referring to the story of Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac on the the mountain. There is no wrath at all in the story. God simply orders Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, so Abraham believing that God is good and will raise his son from the ashes. When Abraham has Isaac tied up and is ready to sacrifice him and angel stops him. The entire story is a test of Abraham's faith.
As I said before, if you wish to hate Christians, go ahead. But have a valid reason. You can think that God testing Abraham's faith in such a way was cruel or some other reason. But, what you said above just reeks of ignorance.
Just goes to show, even if you can write your own file system doesn't mean you can get away with murder.
I was going to mod you down because when I visited that link there were no ninjas at all. But I figured I would post my complaint instead.
I'll kill a man in a fair fight. Or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight. Or if he bothers me. Or if there's a woman. Or if I'm gettin' paid. Mostly when I'm gettin' paid.
Gnomish engineers have already gone that extra step ahead.
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Only if it has roddenberries on it.
I still have your legos. You should stop by one of these days and pick them up.
As odd as it may sound, my suburban can get 750+ miles on a single tank. If I had a second tank on it, I would be able to easily reach 900 miles. There are a number of trucks that have reserve tanks as an option.
War on Witches, I don't think so.
It'd be War on Tarot.
If the Bible doesn't say anything...
... How do you feel about animal testing? ...
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While abortion is not directly spoken about, the concepts are covered. In the Psalms David writes "Even in the womb You knew me..." This implies that even in the womb the child is human and alive. Your premise that the Bible is silent on the topic is incorrect.
This being distilled down to the root that killing an innocent life is wrong is all that is needed to see why Christians are against abortion.
No concern at all. Human life is greater than animal or plant life. Again, this is covered in various passages found in the Bible. Man is given dominion over the animals, indeed the whole of creation in genesis.
Again, this view is simple when distilled to the belief that human life is precious, where animal life is of less value (This is not to say you cannot disagree, but is simpley the Biblical perspective).
I also can't help but notice there aren't many people in wheel chairs,
You have never been to an anti-abortion rally then. Most of the participants are women, moms even. At the last Right to Life dinner I was at nearly 75% of the folks there were women. The anti-abortion crowd is not a large number of white men rallying to oppress women, and to view it as such is willful ignorance. The movement is largely Christian families who have a desire to save lives of those who are otherwise unprotected.
I know I am not the OP you were responding to, but I don't think I am being completely unreasonable in my arguments here.
Good thing there isn't much hydrogen though, cause that stuff will explode! It'd be very dangerous then.
Imagine that, some brit thinks of comfort!?! Who would have ever thought that'd be possible.
Heh, I didn't even check the size of the house... Yeah, 58'x28' is pretty standard. Granted I also live on 12 acres.
My guess is you are not from the US, most likely somewhere in europe. Not because you use metric, but because you find 27 miles a long distance.
And this friends, is where I'd spend a mod point had I one today.
Where'd you get your extra talent point?