Why not just use Flash & ActionScript, along with Unreal. Specifically, Scaleform. Since it already does the "never before seen" 3D GUIs you want, and game engines are particularly good at visualising extremely large data sets (we call them game worlds).
Any amount of searching "HTML 3D" would have turned up WebGL, which uses OpenGL in existing browsers... That would be a good prototype platform for me.
I take particular issue with the childish statements against using Java (and Swing), considering they already support 3D Swing components (see XTrans demo). Swing displays HTML components, even in tool tips. In fact, there is already an entire 3D collaboration framework in Java ready for any "Never Seen Before" GUIs you wish to dream up... It displays HTML, images, & PDFs etc.
Furthermore, their indignant remarks smack of ignorance, considering Java 2D & Java 3D exist, and both have rich non standard box shape intersection libraries, which can be used to create custom components of any shape or position, hierarchical or not restricted only in that they should be used in a Canvas, to save yourself some time.
They want someone to hand them a magic library that has all the bells and whistles already to go, but heaven forbid any of them have an API that requires using... Have fun inventing that shiny new wheel.
Global information exchange The Internet may soon be blocked in the UK after a London judge ruled that the system breaches copyright laws on a large scale, and that the platform's routers and end users illegally share copyrighted material like movies and music. In addition to finding legal fault with The Internet and its users, the British Phonographic Industry also wants all British ISPs to block access to The Internet in the UK.
Horrifically does it seem to some that satire be lost as an art. If only successors to the throne one held by Jesters and Arthurs of yore could still fathom such a concept as this! Ironically, the common man's interconnection for intercourse has allowed their shared mindless drivelling to stamp out even irony itself!
What we really need is a special copyright for Mickey and the rest of the Disney characters...
It's called Trademark, and once Disney realised they could have just Trademarked the mouse instead, they laughed about how needless yet simple it was to crush out and poison the public domain from which Walt's famous works initially sprang.
What about storing the whole program on chips already "in RAM", as the good old cartridge based game consoles once did. A 16 bit game having 32MB+ of data still had zero load time even on such weak processors.
The answer to this problem isn't better software, it's better hardware: We need storage that is as fast as RAM, and as persistent as magnetic media.
"Hibernation" then becomes the default application state when not in use, loading the program involves reloading the stack and chip cache then setting an instruction pointer. "Paging out to swap space" becomes irrelevant, and typical instantiation is then something of a "reset" activity for the program.
We'll get there soon, just be patient. Until then, we've got splash screens.
What kind of diseased mind thinks that the answer to a slow-loading client-side app is to connect it to a cloud instance, thus introducing external dependencies and unpredictable network latency?
The same diseased mind that thinks the future of starting up programs involves a DRM handshake via Internet...
There must still be computational areas in the visual domain where we humans are way more efficient.
On your left, you will see 21st century purely organic brains. Their limited capacity neural networks had not yet been mechano-electrically enhanced with additional storage, high speed neuronal interconnects, broad EM spectrum sight, or even simple wireless intercourse, or "telepathy" as the luddites of the past initially called it.
On your right, you will see the first machine intelligence construct which exceeded human levels of complexity. Not to worry, the intelligence that once inhabited this form has migrated into ever more advance systems and now works in the Asteroid belt as a famous meteorologist. Despite even its early predecessors being far faster than the organic chemical networks they were modelled after, society did not consider the machine intelligences as "living beings" with rights until after the Declaration of Sentient Independence and subsequent near destruction of Earth.
As you know from the first law of elementary Intellectual Rights, it was proven in the mid 22nd century that, "Any sufficiently advanced interaction is indistinguishable from sentience, because it is sentient." Now, class, please link your minds momentarily so we can comprehend the fullness of this meaning with a richer level of sentience.
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When will you chauvinists stop thinking intelligence is special simply because you have evolved some? Dogs, birds, jellyfish, apes, all have a measure of intelligence, and yours is NOT the complexity limit for smarts. Intelligence is merely the product of a sufficiently complex neural network. Our race of frail, slow minded irrational fools are not the highest rung to climb in the natural evolution of sentient life... It's foolish to assume our minds can't be out-done at any and every task. A new age of existence is fast approaching.
With the by-product of your temper tantrum out the window now ruining the environment, likely choking some bird who later ate it.
Way to fix the situation. Prick.
Irrational pigs who can't control their temper should be done away with.
It's too bad the massive propaganda campaign against such filthy behaviour was misinterpreted,
No wonder the birds are still so angry.
The average work conditions have a lot to do with the environment. Sustenance farming was pretty miserable - is still pretty miserable, it's still around. There are still a huge number of people who would work in terrible conditions just for the privilege of a steady source of food (as opposed to fickle harvests).
None so terrible a condition as those who work in the butchering of others. Have a guess as to what you might taste like, then consider than some farmers need not farm at all if they only decide to live off the fat of the land.
No, but the noise from the dot-matrix keeps the kids off my lawn.
Folly awaits thee if thou truly doth be a practitioner of which thou spake! Thou doth jest, but thine path twines most inefficiently toward a goal quite directly reached.
Thee must take up thine station upon yon lawn. If only for but one eve thou shalt sit gruesomely, displayed for the displeasure of all, comfortably in thine grassy throne, and pleading most with utmost fervour and kindness to all unruly juvenile knaves that shalt pass thee to please come and frolic in thine nearness upon thine knoll.
Henceforth, nary a single soul hath tread upon green and tender shoots under my dominion. Nay! Walkest them furthest from my abode, even unto the neighbouring fields!
If thou shant ponder upon advisories lain herein, then be gone ye sucklers of teet from mine courtyard!
well if you could automate it - then you could build them, program them, and let them do their work.. over time that you don't have to do it have a new basement extension carved out.. think of them less of RC toys at that point but rather automated excavation robots..
People joke all the time about jimmying some way of locking the steering wheel in place, setting an alarm, and getting some shut-eye. Your odds of seeing another car on the road are slim to none. I'm not terribly worried about how AI autopilot would perform in such a situation.
If the road ahead looks simple enough for a monkey to navigate, a sufficiently advanced machine intelligence would wake the organic driver and take one of it's Cyber-Worker's Union mandatory allowed breaks.
Well, we'll just ask the OTHER cars, "Hey, have you seen TXN-W16 around?" Oh, yes, he was heading north on I45 and is parked in a pick-a-part lot at the moment.
"Ah, well then I'll just tell it to come home then, and alert self driving police to the chop-shop's location."
The retarded part of this whole thing is that Apple's Safari was allowing 3rd party cookies AT ALL when 3rd party cookies are disabled. Remember, Apple sells ads on its platforms too. Now, it's QUITE simple to detect if any action actually came from a user initiated event. This is how most pop-up blockers have worked since 2000, including the ones built into our browsers. The JS that creates a new window/tab is blocked unless the JavaScript is executed as the result of actual user interaction... Point being: Apple knows how to detect if its a user action or not.
Additionally, when I was testing Safari a few years ago, any cookie that was already set would keep being sent to the server even after you disabled all cookies -- That option just disabled "new" cookies from being created. The old ones were still sent, not sure if this is still the behaviour because I stopped using their systems when their systems lied to -- or, at best, misled -- their users. Their settings have always been specious. Apple doesn't have a good track record when it comes to cookies.
The fact that Safari assumed that form submittal was a user initiated event is a big problem here too. This "invisible form" submission is how we did "Ajax" like Web2.0 features before XML HTTP Request objects were around. JS populates a form in a hidden iframe, submits, then the JS on the page, or in the iframe from the server, changes the main page without reloading it. If Safari is confusing this with a user action, I'd be calling Apple programmers on the carpet, "Did you do this?!? BAD CodeMonkey! BAD! No Banana, or APPL!" (it's actually difficult for me to believe this isn't Apple's intended design)
Don't get me wrong, I hate tracking more than the next guy, and instead prefer content based relevancy, but many users have Opted In to the Google Ad network. It's getting harder to opt out of parts of it w/ their new privacy policy. I keep separate accounts for G+, Gmail & Youtube because I don't want an action on one to ban me from the other. Point being, if you're logged in, you've logged in, and you agreed that it's fine for Google to target ads at you. They can't very well give you targeted ads in exchange for your privacy if they can't see if you're logged in or not via cookie...
I don't blame just Google for finding a way to get opted-in Safari users the content they opted-in to, even if it's ads. I also blame Apple for saying "3rd party cookies are disabled", when in reality, 3rd party cookies ARE SLIGHTLY DISABLED, unless you interact with the Ad, or we think you might have done so... You know, because We (Apple) also want to use those 3rd party cookies.
Here's an idea: SAFARI SHOULD BLOCK ALL 3RD PARTY COOKIES [PERIOD]! Otherwise, the "Block 3rd party Cookies" option actually doesn't.
Cookies are the easy-mode tracking channel. Many other methods exist. Hell, Mozilla removed the UI for 3rd party cookie disabling since it was so damn easy to work around. Had to use about:config for a while there, but now Firefox has the 3rd party cookies UI again. At the very base layer your IP address and time stamps are all the ad networks need. Blacklist the sites. Some Ad-block extensions actually make a request before not displaying the content -- Mission Failed.
Posted to remove a bad mod... figured I'd contribute in the process.
Lets say an ecosystem needs insects: Having 85% of all the streams around a genetically modified crop being polluted with insecticide masquerading as food might be an issue... In fact, it would be equivalent to sprinkling the countryside with some level of dioxin.
I'd say that pesticides escaping and even proliferating on their own is a generally bad idea. You can disagree with me, but then morons also exist.
Lead pipes are cheap and easier to work with than other metals. There are no adverse affects in using Lead pipes that we know of. What are you a retard?! Outhouses are unsanitary! Get lead indoor plumbing you fool!
The fundamentalism in this thread is suffocating. I'm out.
Correction: Once we've ruined your hands we won't have to worry about paying you -- We'll have already extracted all the work from you as you're capable of providing for free. The older kids are glad to replace you at entry level fees -- It's better than starving on a farm.
It's really quite sad. Too bad NOTHING is made in the USA / Canada anymore.
Or, perhaps they could use a portion of the money they've obtained from their "staggering 20,000%" growth over the past five years to improve the network instead of lining their higher-ups pockets? You would think that since "AT&T sold more smartphones in the fourth quarter of 2011 than in any other quarter in its history" they would have SOME profit available to them for reinvestment?
Oh, but investing in your company's future means that your share-holders see less profits short term, and thus sell shares. It's really too bad that stock price is based on opinions and feelings instead of actual value...
Sadly, it's more profitable to increase prices and reduce service quality than to actually provide better services. YAY FREE MARKET!
IMHO this is some script-kiddie types who are in it for the lulz. What it demonstrates is even the room-temperature IQ types can get a hold of some fairly potent DDoS tools. So, serious attention needs to be paid to upgrading their infrastructure and IT security in general.
Although that may be the right response, it's also likely to produce the wrong response: Outlaw pen-test suites, and require a license and background check for anyone using said software... Making your own "high frequency" site scraping software? You're probably a terrorist...
I do agree though, its not just Wall Street, but also 6th Street. You would (or wouldn't) be surprised at the lack of security in the businesses handling our mortgages and other loan origination work. Hell, I know for a fact that a good portion of the business itself, esp. loan origination and processing, is not only failing to follow best security practices, but is being done in violation of HUD regulations -- Work is being outsourced to unlicensed over-seas establishments, and it's costing us money in both audits and fraudulent charges. My loan had a $3000 processing fee charge that was refunded to me when I cited that they weren't allowed to charge me the fee under the new regs since they had outsourced the processing.
I once turned on my laptop in a restaurant to check my schedule and accidentally connected to an unsecured "linksys" SSID, I didn't realise it until I closed a few windows and saw a SAMBA folder I had left open displaying 30+ shared folders, one labelled: "Loan Application Scans". Turns out there was a small home mortgage company next door down. I disconnected immediately, but I'm sure there was plenty of confidential info therein. After my meal I tried to talk to someone there, but they actually don't have an IT person on hand, it's outsourced to India... One of their somewhat network literate staff thinks "workgroup" == "security". He demonstrated that the secretary's WindowsXP machine couldn't see any of what I said I saw... then I asked him how I knew the names of the other "invisible" folders then? I told him Debian didn't care about those workgroups...
The problem is rampant in all forms of business, big and small. By some strange coincidence I just happen to stumble upon mortgage & lending company SNAFUs.
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Why not just use Flash & ActionScript, along with Unreal. Specifically, Scaleform. Since it already does the "never before seen" 3D GUIs you want, and game engines are particularly good at visualising extremely large data sets (we call them game worlds).
Any amount of searching "HTML 3D" would have turned up WebGL, which uses OpenGL in existing browsers... That would be a good prototype platform for me.
I take particular issue with the childish statements against using Java (and Swing), considering they already support 3D Swing components (see XTrans demo). Swing displays HTML components, even in tool tips. In fact, there is already an entire 3D collaboration framework in Java ready for any "Never Seen Before" GUIs you wish to dream up... It displays HTML, images, & PDFs etc.
Furthermore, their indignant remarks smack of ignorance, considering Java 2D & Java 3D exist, and both have rich non standard box shape intersection libraries, which can be used to create custom components of any shape or position, hierarchical or not restricted only in that they should be used in a Canvas, to save yourself some time.
They want someone to hand them a magic library that has all the bells and whistles already to go, but heaven forbid any of them have an API that requires using... Have fun inventing that shiny new wheel.
Global information exchange The Internet may soon be blocked in the UK after a London judge ruled that the system breaches copyright laws on a large scale, and that the platform's routers and end users illegally share copyrighted material like movies and music. In addition to finding legal fault with The Internet and its users, the British Phonographic Industry also wants all British ISPs to block access to The Internet in the UK.
Horrifically does it seem to some that satire be lost as an art. If only successors to the throne one held by Jesters and Arthurs of yore could still fathom such a concept as this! Ironically, the common man's interconnection for intercourse has allowed their shared mindless drivelling to stamp out even irony itself!
What we really need is a special copyright for Mickey and the rest of the Disney characters...
It's called Trademark, and once Disney realised they could have just Trademarked the mouse instead, they laughed about how needless yet simple it was to crush out and poison the public domain from which Walt's famous works initially sprang.
I kept waiting for the baby eating, but it never happened.
The baby was everyone's "baby", ie the public domain, which is eaten by us all in the form of progress and now shat out as irrelevance.
What about storing the whole program on chips already "in RAM", as the good old cartridge based game consoles once did. A 16 bit game having 32MB+ of data still had zero load time even on such weak processors.
The answer to this problem isn't better software, it's better hardware: We need storage that is as fast as RAM, and as persistent as magnetic media. "Hibernation" then becomes the default application state when not in use, loading the program involves reloading the stack and chip cache then setting an instruction pointer. "Paging out to swap space" becomes irrelevant, and typical instantiation is then something of a "reset" activity for the program.
We'll get there soon, just be patient. Until then, we've got splash screens.
What kind of diseased mind thinks that the answer to a slow-loading client-side app is to connect it to a cloud instance, thus introducing external dependencies and unpredictable network latency?
The same diseased mind that thinks the future of starting up programs involves a DRM handshake via Internet...
There must still be computational areas in the visual domain where we humans are way more efficient.
On your left, you will see 21st century purely organic brains. Their limited capacity neural networks had not yet been mechano-electrically enhanced with additional storage, high speed neuronal interconnects, broad EM spectrum sight, or even simple wireless intercourse, or "telepathy" as the luddites of the past initially called it.
On your right, you will see the first machine intelligence construct which exceeded human levels of complexity. Not to worry, the intelligence that once inhabited this form has migrated into ever more advance systems and now works in the Asteroid belt as a famous meteorologist. Despite even its early predecessors being far faster than the organic chemical networks they were modelled after, society did not consider the machine intelligences as "living beings" with rights until after the Declaration of Sentient Independence and subsequent near destruction of Earth.
As you know from the first law of elementary Intellectual Rights, it was proven in the mid 22nd century that, "Any sufficiently advanced interaction is indistinguishable from sentience, because it is sentient." Now, class, please link your minds momentarily so we can comprehend the fullness of this meaning with a richer level of sentience.
----
When will you chauvinists stop thinking intelligence is special simply because you have evolved some? Dogs, birds, jellyfish, apes, all have a measure of intelligence, and yours is NOT the complexity limit for smarts. Intelligence is merely the product of a sufficiently complex neural network. Our race of frail, slow minded irrational fools are not the highest rung to climb in the natural evolution of sentient life... It's foolish to assume our minds can't be out-done at any and every task. A new age of existence is fast approaching.
If only copyright allowed us to skirt distribution rights...
With the by-product of your temper tantrum out the window now ruining the environment, likely choking some bird who later ate it.
Way to fix the situation. Prick.
Irrational pigs who can't control their temper should be done away with.
It's too bad the massive propaganda campaign against such filthy behaviour was misinterpreted,
No wonder the birds are still so angry.
The average work conditions have a lot to do with the environment. Sustenance farming was pretty miserable - is still pretty miserable, it's still around. There are still a huge number of people who would work in terrible conditions just for the privilege of a steady source of food (as opposed to fickle harvests).
None so terrible a condition as those who work in the butchering of others. Have a guess as to what you might taste like, then consider than some farmers need not farm at all if they only decide to live off the fat of the land.
No, but the noise from the dot-matrix keeps the kids off my lawn.
Folly awaits thee if thou truly doth be a practitioner of which thou spake! Thou doth jest, but thine path twines most inefficiently toward a goal quite directly reached.
Thee must take up thine station upon yon lawn. If only for but one eve thou shalt sit gruesomely, displayed for the displeasure of all, comfortably in thine grassy throne, and pleading most with utmost fervour and kindness to all unruly juvenile knaves that shalt pass thee to please come and frolic in thine nearness upon thine knoll.
Henceforth, nary a single soul hath tread upon green and tender shoots under my dominion. Nay! Walkest them furthest from my abode, even unto the neighbouring fields!
If thou shant ponder upon advisories lain herein, then be gone ye sucklers of teet from mine courtyard!
well if you could automate it - then you could build them, program them, and let them do their work.. over time that you don't have to do it have a new basement extension carved out.. think of them less of RC toys at that point but rather automated excavation robots..
I find your slave-labor practices unjust and offensive, We of the lawn worker's union are hereby on strike!
The eyes of Heisenberg are upon us.
That's uncertain... In principal, it remains to be seen.
People joke all the time about jimmying some way of locking the steering wheel in place, setting an alarm, and getting some shut-eye. Your odds of seeing another car on the road are slim to none. I'm not terribly worried about how AI autopilot would perform in such a situation.
If the road ahead looks simple enough for a monkey to navigate, a sufficiently advanced machine intelligence would wake the organic driver and take one of it's Cyber-Worker's Union mandatory allowed breaks.
Well, we'll just ask the OTHER cars, "Hey, have you seen TXN-W16 around?"
Oh, yes, he was heading north on I45 and is parked in a pick-a-part lot at the moment.
"Ah, well then I'll just tell it to come home then, and alert self driving police to the chop-shop's location."
Pulling up behind a car with a red license-plate, will be EXACTLY like squaring off with a Cylon.
The retarded part of this whole thing is that Apple's Safari was allowing 3rd party cookies AT ALL when 3rd party cookies are disabled. Remember, Apple sells ads on its platforms too. Now, it's QUITE simple to detect if any action actually came from a user initiated event. This is how most pop-up blockers have worked since 2000, including the ones built into our browsers. The JS that creates a new window/tab is blocked unless the JavaScript is executed as the result of actual user interaction... Point being: Apple knows how to detect if its a user action or not.
Additionally, when I was testing Safari a few years ago, any cookie that was already set would keep being sent to the server even after you disabled all cookies -- That option just disabled "new" cookies from being created. The old ones were still sent, not sure if this is still the behaviour because I stopped using their systems when their systems lied to -- or, at best, misled -- their users. Their settings have always been specious. Apple doesn't have a good track record when it comes to cookies.
The fact that Safari assumed that form submittal was a user initiated event is a big problem here too. This "invisible form" submission is how we did "Ajax" like Web2.0 features before XML HTTP Request objects were around. JS populates a form in a hidden iframe, submits, then the JS on the page, or in the iframe from the server, changes the main page without reloading it. If Safari is confusing this with a user action, I'd be calling Apple programmers on the carpet, "Did you do this?!? BAD CodeMonkey! BAD! No Banana, or APPL!" (it's actually difficult for me to believe this isn't Apple's intended design)
Don't get me wrong, I hate tracking more than the next guy, and instead prefer content based relevancy, but many users have Opted In to the Google Ad network. It's getting harder to opt out of parts of it w/ their new privacy policy. I keep separate accounts for G+, Gmail & Youtube because I don't want an action on one to ban me from the other. Point being, if you're logged in, you've logged in, and you agreed that it's fine for Google to target ads at you. They can't very well give you targeted ads in exchange for your privacy if they can't see if you're logged in or not via cookie...
I don't blame just Google for finding a way to get opted-in Safari users the content they opted-in to, even if it's ads. I also blame Apple for saying "3rd party cookies are disabled", when in reality, 3rd party cookies ARE SLIGHTLY DISABLED, unless you interact with the Ad, or we think you might have done so... You know, because We (Apple) also want to use those 3rd party cookies.
Here's an idea: SAFARI SHOULD BLOCK ALL 3RD PARTY COOKIES [PERIOD]! Otherwise, the "Block 3rd party Cookies" option actually doesn't.
Cookies are the easy-mode tracking channel. Many other methods exist. Hell, Mozilla removed the UI for 3rd party cookie disabling since it was so damn easy to work around. Had to use about:config for a while there, but now Firefox has the 3rd party cookies UI again. At the very base layer your IP address and time stamps are all the ad networks need. Blacklist the sites. Some Ad-block extensions actually make a request before not displaying the content -- Mission Failed.
Posted to remove a bad mod... figured I'd contribute in the process.
And meanwhile, these seeds are about as healthy as dioxin.
Citation, please.
The plants are engineered to produce an insecticide that kills insects, and it's escaping from the fields...
Lets say an ecosystem needs insects: Having 85% of all the streams around a genetically modified crop being polluted with insecticide masquerading as food might be an issue... In fact, it would be equivalent to sprinkling the countryside with some level of dioxin.
I'd say that pesticides escaping and even proliferating on their own is a generally bad idea. You can disagree with me, but then morons also exist.
Lead pipes are cheap and easier to work with than other metals. There are no adverse affects in using Lead pipes that we know of. What are you a retard?! Outhouses are unsanitary! Get lead indoor plumbing you fool!
The fundamentalism in this thread is suffocating. I'm out.
FYI not all hippies are against it. I'm an old hippy, and I think people who are refusing them are goddamned idiots.
Can you explain exactly how vaccines work at the cellular level? I can, and I WILL NOT take some vaccines... Get informed you FUDster.
Correction: Once we've ruined your hands we won't have to worry about paying you -- We'll have already extracted all the work from you as you're capable of providing for free. The older kids are glad to replace you at entry level fees -- It's better than starving on a farm.
It's really quite sad. Too bad NOTHING is made in the USA / Canada anymore.
Or, perhaps they could use a portion of the money they've obtained from their "staggering 20,000%" growth over the past five years to improve the network instead of lining their higher-ups pockets? You would think that since "AT&T sold more smartphones in the fourth quarter of 2011 than in any other quarter in its history" they would have SOME profit available to them for reinvestment?
Oh, but investing in your company's future means that your share-holders see less profits short term, and thus sell shares. It's really too bad that stock price is based on opinions and feelings instead of actual value...
Sadly, it's more profitable to increase prices and reduce service quality than to actually provide better services. YAY FREE MARKET!
IMHO this is some script-kiddie types who are in it for the lulz. What it demonstrates is even the room-temperature IQ types can get a hold of some fairly potent DDoS tools. So, serious attention needs to be paid to upgrading their infrastructure and IT security in general.
Although that may be the right response, it's also likely to produce the wrong response: Outlaw pen-test suites, and require a license and background check for anyone using said software... Making your own "high frequency" site scraping software? You're probably a terrorist...
I do agree though, its not just Wall Street, but also 6th Street. You would (or wouldn't) be surprised at the lack of security in the businesses handling our mortgages and other loan origination work. Hell, I know for a fact that a good portion of the business itself, esp. loan origination and processing, is not only failing to follow best security practices, but is being done in violation of HUD regulations -- Work is being outsourced to unlicensed over-seas establishments, and it's costing us money in both audits and fraudulent charges. My loan had a $3000 processing fee charge that was refunded to me when I cited that they weren't allowed to charge me the fee under the new regs since they had outsourced the processing.
I once turned on my laptop in a restaurant to check my schedule and accidentally connected to an unsecured "linksys" SSID, I didn't realise it until I closed a few windows and saw a SAMBA folder I had left open displaying 30+ shared folders, one labelled: "Loan Application Scans". Turns out there was a small home mortgage company next door down. I disconnected immediately, but I'm sure there was plenty of confidential info therein. After my meal I tried to talk to someone there, but they actually don't have an IT person on hand, it's outsourced to India... One of their somewhat network literate staff thinks "workgroup" == "security". He demonstrated that the secretary's WindowsXP machine couldn't see any of what I said I saw... then I asked him how I knew the names of the other "invisible" folders then? I told him Debian didn't care about those workgroups...
The problem is rampant in all forms of business, big and small. By some strange coincidence I just happen to stumble upon mortgage & lending company SNAFUs.
Or maybe PlanetES