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The Pirate Bay On Track To Be Banned In the UK?
redletterdave writes with this excerpt from the International Business Times about the fate of the Pirate Bay in the UK: "Swedish filesharing website The Pirate Bay may soon be blocked in the UK after a London judge ruled that the site breaches copyright laws on a large scale, and that both the platform and its users illegally share copyrighted material like movies and music. In addition to finding legal fault with The Pirate Bay and its users, the British Phonographic Industry also wants all British ISPs to block access to The Pirate Bay in the UK."
Let's ban child phonography.... cut off their customer base, and drive the bastards out of business.
that the UK is exerting this kind of power over their local internet lines and providers.
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British Judge says "You are my bitch."
Who the hell elected you, dickweed?
Hitler hates pedophiles.
Global information exchange The Internet may soon be blocked in the UK after a London judge ruled that the system breaches copyright laws on a large scale, and that the platform's routers and end users illegally share copyrighted material like movies and music. In addition to finding legal fault with The Internet and its users, the British Phonographic Industry also wants all British ISPs to block access to The Internet in the UK.
Honestly, we need a "Streisand Effect" term for what happens when legislation merely prompts sites to use the encrypted areas of the internet.
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Whack-a-mole.
"The more your tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
Is this a case of reverse "think of the children" argument ... !!
... what do you know, them London judges wanting to support the commercial exploitation of young women (and men and trained pets depending on what floats your boat) I think they should all be behind the same bars :P
We have a case where a London judge is siding with the whole British Phonographic Industry.
Well well
1984. Thank you.
Tribler is the future of these things, and isn't really blockable.
The problem with the suit of armor - invented (yes, partly) as a response to the broadsword - is that it spurred the development of the rapier and epee.
Defense... offense... meet developers.
You know what's funny about the prevailing systems of government in this era? They're all about writing new laws, making new things illegal, regulating more and more of their citizen's lives and centralizing more and more power in the hands of a VERY few.
It never goes the other way. Ever.
How often do over reaching laws get repealed? How often does government say "hey we don't need to regulate this realm anymore because circumstances have changed"?
How often have you seen governments de-centralize things in order to make them more responsive to the needs of the citizens they serve?
How often does government shrink or even stop growing at exponential rates? How often have they become less involved when it was needed?
In fact, most governments call decreases in projected increases as "cuts".
If next year something happens that causes the government to no longer need (by their justification) to control the internet, you think they will cede control?
If you're not with Ron Paul and the Freedom movement, you're part of the problem.
Liberty.
now we can see that it is no longer stiff
They may get TPB but there's over 9000 left...
I don't think you understand how bittorrent works...
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a democratic government preventing sharing for to enforce intellectual monopoly edicts is no more legitimate than a totalitarian government preventing sharing to "negate threats to social instability"
we the people who aren't the plutocrats and oligarchs need a decentralized, anonymous means of communication that can't be turned off at the whim of any authority
freenet was a step in the right direction but its weakness is that it requires the current plutocrat internet infrastructure
we need a mesh network that is so cheap and easy to deploy that no "democratic" government couldn't attempt to stop it without abandoning any pretense of legitimacy
imagine an induction powered self contained wifi router that can fit in a power outlet box, or a wifi grenade consisting of a clear protective shell around an array of solar panels and transmission electronics - meant to throw on a roof
make these configurable to connect to existing hotspots and you can have the mesh piggyback on the existing internet for long distance communication, add an sd card and you have distributed storage capability
simply put neither governments, nor corporations can be trusted. the power they have over communications will always be abused and needs to be stripped from them
"Cap and Fade"
As a practical matter, you can't just stop the cogs of government in their track now. What would all those bureaucrats do for a living? Going cold turkey is too much, now.
Folks like Ron Paul will never get anywhere with there "we shouldn't do this and we shouldn't do that" rhetoric. While it it all well and good, we need more of a realistic Cap and Fade policy... just sunset the budget everything that isn't an enumerated, constitutional function - set the budget to zero percent change, this year, then 5% LESS each year (not inflation adjusted) until each such budget item is gone. Don't worry, anything that really needs to get done will still get done, since states can do what they want, you just cut out the middle man of an unnecessary central government.
This cuts both ways - big city people don't have to pay farm subsidies, "fly over county" folk don't have to pay for abortions, win win!
Decentralized, heterogeneous government is a good thing, just like decentralized computer networks are more responsive and fault tolerant. Think about it - if Switzerland can be a whole country with fewer people than Los Angeles county, what kind of sense does that make?
Seems to me that 3/4 of the States could get together and start laying down some Constitutional amendments to make things more clear... if they cared.
Is this the MPAA
Is this the BSA
Is this RIAA
I thought it was the UK
Or just another country...
I'd post something substantial, but the idiotic pro-piracy comments in this thread makes me realize that a lot of humanity only cares about doing whatever is in their own short-term personal interest and will masquerade their greed as 'logic and reason'. I especially love the comments that intentionally conflate the Pirate Bay with the Internet. Humanity is doomed with this kind of twisted rationalization. No wonder the world is as screwed up as it is. Yet, commenters never seem to realize that they're using the same kind of twisted logic as greedy Wall Street Bankers and CEOs of record companies.
information sharing is a natural right
FTFY.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Honestly, we need a "Streisand Effect" term for what happens when legislation merely prompts sites to use the encrypted areas of the internet.
Because it just drives people deeper underground.
On second thought, maybe "Jamiroquai Effect" might sound hipper.
Set your phasers on "funky"!
I can't tell whether this is offtopic or a brilliant channelling of Emily Litela, available only on hulu. http://www.hulu.com/watch/2364/saturday-night-live-weekend-update-emily-litella-on-violins-on-tv
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I mean really?
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- We don't store illegal materials here.
- Illegally share copyrighted material.
Illegally share copyrighted material.
I'm not hearing you.
Illegally share copyrighted material.
I'm not hearing you.
Illegally share copyrighted material.
Repeat until what you want is done.
Maybe someone can educate me as to what Piratebay does that Google doesn't.
Whilst PirateBay obviously deliberately encourages a view that it is an organisation that skirts close to the law, as far as I am aware it does nothing that any other search engine doesn't. i.e. it simply returns a list of locations where the searched for content can be found.
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I live in the Netherlands and use a provider which was recently forced to block Pirate Bay too. :(
Now Firefox takes atleast 2 seconds longer to start up due to Tor.
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
Let's get M$ Windows banned in the UK, i recall a study awhile back (empty promises empty comments no link i'm awesome!) that had some huge percentage of windows installs having been pirated or pirating software of some form =)
He doesn't post anything substantial because he can't. His own rant proofs copyright is not needed to ensure art survives. The post DesScorp below is also a snob, ignoring folk art, such as song and story telling which survived and thrived perfectly fine without patronage or copyright. The dutch "Smartlap" (tearjerker song) was a type of troubadour, those songs are still sung, they were not high art with patrons but simple performers making their living from live concerts.
Ah, but good living... of course, just because you sing a song, you and 5 generations of your kids (see yesterday story about perputual copyright) should be millionaires. Forget nurses doing stuff nobody else wants to do and saving human lives day in, day out for minimum wage. The true social injustice of our time is artists not being able to afford another Ferrari.
Technology has changed art and will continue to do so regardless of what some dinosaurs might desire. It isn't just recent stuff like the cassette tape but far older stuff like cheap musical instruments, printed sheet music, mechanical instruments. Even things like the movies going from silent to talkies. Once each movie theather had a pit for the band to play music to accompany the silent movie. Then, long before talkies were introduced, record players took over to save costs and put an artist out of work. Movies themselves killed Vaudeville.
Tech changed and the world adapted. Copyright was a result of tech changes so why shouldn't new tech changes not change copyright?
Trolls like brit74 are living under a bridge trying to pretend the world is unchanging and that laws which were once valid should remain valid indefinitely. He can't cope with a changing world, his kind would have kept slavery going just because that is the way things are.
Copyright is doomed in a world where digital media can be perfectly reproduced by anyone at trivial costs. It isn't even a case anymore about whether copyright is just or not. It ain't just either that 1% of the world lives with more money then they could ever possibly spent while millions starve.
The invention of the gun forever changed murder. Shooting someone is easy, far easier then choking them to death, feeling them struggle as you choke the life out of them. Shoot them and they just fall over and that is it. We haven't been able to outlaw the idea of the gun and even gun control has been impossible.
So what change do we have of putting digital copying back in the bag?
I have a proposal, every piece of recorded music must be taxed and the tax sent to live performers and instrument makers. And every printed music sheet needs a tax to compensate the monks who used to copy these works by hand. And the monks need to pay those who passed music on through teach and oral tradition. All the way back so the first caveman can live comfortable on his original art.
The content industry needs to adapt or it will go the way of other industries before that have been made obsolete or un-economical by the march of progress. If this means that commercial art dies... then so be it. Humanity will survive without and whatever comes in its place might even be greater. Or not but trying to stop the future is futile.
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The Swedish authorities already raided The Pirate Bay and found nothing, zip, zitch, zero infringing files on their servers. So how can it breach any copyright laws?
Sure, it facilitates file sharing and those files shared may be copyrighted... but it plays no larger role than for instance roads do in various other crimes. I mean, a road is used to facilitate almost all crimes, either as the crime scene itself or as a means of getting there or escaping afterwards. Sure, roads have legitimate uses but given that almost all crimes involve them, they do play an instrumental role.
So... if roads are not put on trial for their involvement in all those other crimes (they're just passive means, but they're there), why persecute The Pirate Bay for copyright infringement as they're also just passive means. The Pirate Bay is simply a portal, nothing more. There's no content, no hashes, no trackers. All content resides elsewhere. They have no access to hashes of the complete files shared and also have no reference hashes to verify against in order to eliminate copyrighted content, so in essence they want to ban the principle of file sharing just because you may be sharing something copyrighted.
The conclusion for the courts: Censorship for no other purpose than to quench the concept of file sharing. Possibly infringing files are not transferred through The Pirate Bay in any way and yet it must be banned?
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
Janet, the Joint Academic Network, that connects all the UK universities, colleges, schools etc. has a strict policy against content-filtering - partly because it's against the ethos of an academic network and partly because they're bright enough to realise that it wouldn't work:
there is no centrally imposed filtering of web, e-mail or other content provided by the network; indeed, such filtering would be ineffective as the network provides many possible routes to bypass any solution implemented at a single point.
http://www.ja.net/documents/publications/factsheets/072-janet-and-internet-filtering.pdf
Bearing in-mind that most academic institutions use Janet for their student's Internet access, and most file-sharers are in the 18-25 age group, and something like 45% of 18-25 year olds go to university...
If someone posts links or phrases with references to books in a public library (the position in a shelf) or the addresses of his friends having a dvd legally buyed is he infringing copyright?
"The British Phonographic Industry also wants all British ISPs to block access to The Internet in the UK." I mean, common, this is fighting just for kicks. Why on earth would you download porn when you can get it for free in sites such as youporn, redtube, etc? This shows how ignorant on the whole internet matter these people really are....fucktards.
Very insightful. This is natural. As part of their internal optimizer, most people want the most with the minimum amount of effort. If possible, everything for free. Now. I'm so tired of kids thinking they are somehow entitled to everything, for just being born.
But this is not something new, most people are shortsighted, and that include most of Slashdot's audience. Those few who actually take the effort to think a bit into the future will always be in advantage, and those who are used to receive everything for free will be paralyzed when they hit a real problem.
On the other hand, we have to keep in mind this is media, and media is not about cold, absolute and truthful information. Its about entertainment. People come here to be entertained, to have fun, not to listen to uncomfortable truths. Lies and misinformation are ok, fun must prevail at all costs.
These kind of comments will always be unpopular, thus modded down into oblivion, even if they are in fact insightful. This is where democracy fails. I'll join you in -1 hell. Fuck stupidity!
Even if they do manage to get the pirate bay blacklisted in the uk, here comes memateyscaven.org. Even that's unnessesery everyone will just go to demonoid or one of the many others sites serving the exact same content.
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and something like 45% of 18-25 year olds go to university...
Did you guess that or is your definition of "university" different than mine?
That's not my experience.
My nephew is in halls of residence at one UK university and whilst he does have Internet access on the university network from his room, he cannot even connect to the PlayStation network from it - plus every file-sharing site that he has tried is blocked.
Windows 10 is great - I used it to download Linux.
Just ask some Chinese friends what proxies they use to bypass their blockade 8)
Oh, and after they block the pirate bay, are they going to go after IRC? And then the darknet that will follow 8)
The problem with "freedom" is that people like you use it wrong, and make incorrect choices. It's all there in black and white, and people still vote for racists like Santorum with a smile on their faces. Having proven that you can't be trusted with political power, others must step in and run things for you, the correct way. We're just lucky we have so many smart people who know better. You had your chance and you blew it. No sympathy here.
But I like it because I am in the class of "smart people", so I am incredibly biased, as are probably most slashdot persons. Way to play to the audience...
-- Terry
Why the hell do authorities have such a boner for the Pirate Bay?
The pirate bay is on the news every other day, while all the other trackers get completely ignored.
Better trackers, which are way, way better than TPB in most cases.
What's the story?
That will be the particular institution's policy, not Janet's. Ours (I speak from the inside) is very different - our students are adult and old enough to know right from wrong, so we're not going to treat them like children and baby-sit their Internet access.
It's because he goes to a shit university
Indeed. JANET themselves may not operate filtering but the IT departments who operate the university networks which connect to JANET most definitely do. I speak as a former employee of one such institution.
no centrally imposed filtering of web
Just because JANET doesn't block, doesn't mean the universities don't.
At 90MB for the whole site what are the authorities going to do when thousands of us are mirroring TPB on a dedicated Raspberry Pi each?
The months are just too short. I can count the number of days on one hand.
This is the internet. Short of pulling the plug completely on the internet there is nothing you can do to stop people from sharing information.
The large corporations are now fighting us. Lets see how long it takes them to figure out that doesn't work either.
Note to the MAFIAA:
Note to the MAFIAA:
Keep trying to whack moles. You may win the odd battle, but you're losing the war badly. And its your own fucking fault this all happened. YOU are to blame for the creation of artificial scarcity and solely to blame for the utter failure to address the demand for 15 years. Apple had to snooker you into joining the modern age and you still fucked that up.
One day soon, the dictionary definition of the noun "fail" will be footnoted: "see "MAFIAA".
May you burn in hell forever, you dirty, low-life, slimy, miserable dog-turds. I used to speak out in your defense against file-sharing here and elsewhere. But your totally fucked attitude over the years turned me into a big supporter of file-sharing and turned your friends (and best customers, like me), into your enemy.
Evolution's a bitch. It won't do anything you say, fucks you repeatedly, and leaves you for dead in the end. Your choice was to march with the modern age and prosper or stand against it and die.
Wrong choice, assholes. Now you die.
Tor for bypassing the restriction. Or magnet link packs from thepiratebay.se hosted elsewhere. OneSwarm for protecting yourself from the MafiAA.
The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
Would the ISPs block it by simply removing that entry from their DNS servers? If so, won't it be trivial to reconfigure your router to get it's name servers from OpenDNS or Google? How else would it be blocked?
I wouldn't still watch shows like american dad, futurama, etc.
There are some movies which i've bought in the past, which is easier to download than dig through mounds of boxes to get... newer movies pretty much suck for the most part and I have no intention of renting them, and I don't even have a netflix account because quality of movies has become so low.
As far as pirating games goes - you're going to buy it or you won't. Those three things are all that really need to be considered when it comes to this matter.
THE END!
45% is the national average. In some areas it's 80% (That article points out that the national figures for Iceland, Finland and Slovakia are 70%-80%)
It's a good idea - if your population is educated, then they are likely to be more productive, higher earners, less likely to be reliant on benefits etc.
...says you at 32 years of age quickly typing your response on the PC in your bedroom at your parents house before changing into your McDonald's uniform for the late shift.
Windows 10 is great - I used it to download Linux.
Practical experience suggests students are not able to "know right from wrong" in this case - piracy is both illegal and ethically pretty indefensible (you can always just go and watch something licensed under a liberal CC style license, after all).
Why the hell do authorities have such a boner for the Pirate Bay?
Have you ever perused their legal threats page? At the bottom of the page they summarize as follows: :-)"
"No action (except ridiculing the senders) has been taken by us because of these.
It's a matter of opinion whether they flaunt the law, but it's a matter of fact that they taunt it.
would be ;-)
Create (Close) the courts to any innovative distribution with legislation.
Create (Close) a friendly environment to purchase content.
Create (Close) Remix to only those approved by you.
Create (Close) Ranks amongst your customers.
Fight it tooth and nail. This isn't food clothing or shelter. Vote with your dollars you don't need it, don't buy it.
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The part that bugs me about taking down TPB, or any other copyright unfriendly site (whether it is or not) is that it sets a legal precedent for censoring anything on the net the Gov't deems inappropriate. The cost of many copyrighted materials is higher than I deem them to be worth, so I just don't pay for them. Neither do I pirate them. I was always the one telling people if they download some music or a good program that they like, and use, then they should PAY FOR IT. I will always stand by this, and I will ALSO always oppose those who seek to censor the net. There are 2 big reasons for gov't to want to censor the net: 1. Corporate lobbyists and 2. Quelling Civil disobedience. Neither is a good enough reason to censor the net.
or just use ffmpeg which is free
I keep hearing that DHT, PEX and magnet links will make trackers irrelevant and decrease single points of failure.
DHT+PEX+magnet links seems to be supported in most client applications already (ktorrent, rtorrent, etc).
So my question is, is there a way already to search for content through the DHT network directly? without involving a tracker like TPB?
Yes, I have to agree to this. The MAFIAA wants things to remain as they were 10 or even 20 years ago because that is the model which was heavily in their favour. This goes well beyond being able to obtain commercial content without compensating the individuals selling it.
Nowadays, the industry can no longer get away with holding back content and only releasing it when and where THEY decide (e.g. Disney selling a movie for a year and then pulling all copies to make room for another or a company deciding not to even release their title in a certain country until months after the rest of the world has been enjoying it).
Sites like thepiratebay.org essentially make it open and available to everyone, everywhere, and anytime. In addition, these sites make the industries completely redundant because of the widespread audience content "creators" can reach. It's how certain artists can make some of their initial works available and become very popular if noticed by enough people. Prior to this technology, you needed a label to do that advertising for you given the very limited and expensive channels back then.
To correct this, industries need to make their content available to everyone straight away and at an affordable price. To mitigate piracy, they would have to provide a better product and service than the free one. A practical example of this in the games industry is Steam. You completely bypass lengthy installations (i.e. once the game is downloaded, it's ready to play), you can retrieve it again at any time should you lose your local copy, and best of all, your game is kept up to date with all latest patches meaning that you don't have to keep track manually. A pirated/free version would still require an install (since they are often based on the disc/retail version), would require you to track down the download site again if you lost your copy, and would require you to apply patches manually (sometimes requiring you to wait even longer for it to be cracked again).