,doc is only an online format if the other person has Word, And is using IE iirc. The rest of us have to download the document and then open it up with something else.
As you said, 2007 sucks ass, but if you don't already own office, the only way to get 2003 is to pirate it now.
I'm using 60 megs to open office writer. How much memory does it take you to open Word? And please, count the memory from the preload software. ctfmon and Microsoft Office startup items in the system config utility.
If employees having already learned it makes Office 2003 cheaper than OO, then it's going to make Office 2007 massively expensive.
I'm going to start by saying that I absolutely hate open office and MS office alike. And find both applications to be completely bloody useless.
That said:
A).rtf, every word processor in existence supports it.
B) The one thing open office actually seems to do well is tables (of course, I haven't used either since a couple years ago, so there may be some regression/improvements).
C) Excel/access interfunctionality is kind of a joke, they have to reinput my information in this setup at work every few weeks, and it's not uncommon for a days worth of entries to suddenly vanish from a database. If openoffice does want to succeed in business, getting something like this that actually works might be a really good idea.
I think that only applies to the business enterprise and ultimate editions of Vista. The first two are'nt being sold, at al, to home customers bundled with PCs right now. At least not that I've seen. And in all cases, it would be cheaper to simply get a home basic computer and buy XP separately (unless you specifically need XP Pro).
Del pays about $50 for a copy of Vista premium, and the same for Vista basic (since they have to give the customer DVD software as well). So the 50 dollars less they charge for the Ubuntu machines spot on in terms of price.
More annoying is their refusal to sell low end hardware. (Must but the nVidia card, even though there's a more than powerful (and compatible) enough Intel onboard graphics card in the D530, etc).
6000 is the figure you're looking for for the semipro recording equipment. Quoted to me by an independant artist who set up shop in his apartment. It included the instruments too.
For comparison, it used to cost 20-30 grand to *rent* that kind of equipment long enough to make an album. And that was when 20 grand meant a lot more.
If Google wanted to keep from being attacked by another party for using this idea, they could simply (and cheaply!) publish an article describing every facet of the idea the patent application covers (which, after all, is what happens when you file a patent application; when the patent is granted, the idea is published). Didn't somebody publish exactly that kind of paper a month before Google filed for this patent? I'd say the prior art method is very weak these days, given the general incompetence of the patent office.
Shouldn't the lack of applicable software patents *increase* the offense of libel (I assume it's still illegal to lie in order to hurt competition in Europe) if it was made in Europe? Customer's don't necessarily know this, and it means that the chance Ballmer is telling the truth id effectively zero. In the US he might be able to come up with patents, even unenforceable ones, that allow him to have some sort of argument he made the statement in good faith.
Suing would might be bad idea though, as long as Ballmer refuses to tell us which patents are being infringe, MS becomes complicit in the infringement, and I don't see the FUD being that big a deal, Especially if the refusal of MS to name the patents, and the resulting weakness of any patent suit, is pointed out to a customer.
And well, there's always the chance that he's telling the truth, and really does have enforceable patents out there, ones that would be hard to get rid of. (How much usage is openoffice going to see if it can't open.docs at all?)
You have to factor in a couple things, one is OEM versions, which are cheaper cause they don't have a box or tech support. The other is that the people you buy windows from also payed less than the shelf price.
And not taking away Dell/HP/Gateway's profit margin is the only way you'd ever get them to comply with a requirement like that.
Though while we're on the subject, I'd like to see something brought against Microsoft for the conditions placed on those discounts, requiring that vendors recommend Vista, even when it's a bad idea*, or refuse to sell XP, is exactly the kind of damage to the consumer base anti-trust laws are supposed to protect against. And even if bundling is (mostly) legally baseless, MS making requirements of OEMs that are dependant on Windows for survival is *not*.
*Don't believe me? Find a windows OEM that doesn't have '$company recommends Windows Vista Premium' in that exact wording, at the top of their webpage.
I don't think any computer should be required to be unbundled all the time, though I do think that it should be required that all computers be made available unbundled to people who want it. (with regulations concerning the price difference, charging the same price for not including windows/OSX has the same problems as always including it).
If you look at the business sales of OSes you get exactly that. In which case Vista business/enterprise represents just 13% of sales, (it's actually been dropping, was 17% earlier in the year), and XP pro represents 27% of sales. (Note, figures are for europe, and for professional versions of the OSes only, the remaining sales are largely the 'no choice' home basic and home premium sales).
I have to wonder about those Linux figures they give though, everything I've seen suggests that Linux is 2-6% of the global desktop usage. (putting it just behind Apple's (all OSes) 3-6%). What methodology are they using that's so much drastically lower?
The 'ethical' point for markups on parts was set long before the geeks came along, and is around 30%, note that this involves a lot of things. It includes labor to replace it for you, having a part *right now* instead of in a few days, etc.
Techs working for companies have little choice in the matter as well, in cases where I've had reason to recommend RAM upgrades (cause there's nothing like a big OEM to sell you a 1200 dollar system that doesn't actually have the juice to run your OS), I have to recommend my employer to buy the parts from even though I know full well the customer can get the parts cheaper at newegg.
The stuff mentioned in the summary (I didn't RTFA), seems more like incompitence than anything else. That 'worst offender' in particular likely really did think that the hard drive was bad, and if he had a place that would do the recovery for 2 grand, he was getting the customer a hell of a deal on it. (What exactly implies that it would fix the problem I have no idea, the cust would still need a new hard drive, this just gets the data off of it).
iirc IBM licenses it's software patents both to all open source software, and to anybody who extends their patents to FOSS as well. Actually having patents to allow FOSS to use seems fairly irrelevant, as Google jumped in to take advantage of this deal. So pretty much anybody who doesn't have a vested interest in damaging FOSS can still do strange drag mouse to checkmark actions.
How does DRM protect innovation? It downright discourages it, since the company cannot benefit from people tinkering with the devices capabilities.
Nor does it provide any protection from competitors, since any competitor can build their own hardware and use the code still. The *only* thing DRM does is hurt users.
+That link suggests that it's Windows Media Player, rather than WMV, that's the problem, due to embedded IEness. It also specifically mentions quicktime as an exploitable format. It also says there are exploits in second life (that's a new one on me actually).
So, list of places windows users will probably pick up nastyware now includes... actually, anybody know of something that *won't* lead to malware with windows?
I should really save this so I can just paste it each time I say it.
What right does Tivo have to put DRM in *my* hardware in order to make it impossible to modify *my* software any way I see fit? For that matter, how does Tivo count as a user of *my* hardware and *my* software simply because they *sold* it to me?
The GPL, every version, has always been about who gets to own the software, the person who payed for it, or the person who sold it. Being a user, rather than a developer, I have a tendency to side with users on this one.
Um... in that case you're going through a lot of effort and screwing yourself out of windows updates for no reason. Dell will *give* you windows disks that are specific to Dell hardware. (You'll have to fill out the transfer of ownership form, or else know the name of the person who bought the system originally, (when the transfer form asks you for the original owner, put an 'x' for the first and last name) then call up tech support and ask for an install disk). Or you could just, y'know, ctrl+f11 and use the restore partition (assuming that's still on the hard drive).
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Didn't HURD come out years ago?
And here I was all ready to mod you troll for claiming its not broken.
I have an idea to fix this kind of thing though. Perhaps we should put a limit on the number of people allowed to practice law.
Which is to say, we only hang most of the lawyers. And the HR people.
,doc is only an online format if the other person has Word, And is using IE iirc. The rest of us have to download the document and then open it up with something else.
As you said, 2007 sucks ass, but if you don't already own office, the only way to get 2003 is to pirate it now.
I'm using 60 megs to open office writer. How much memory does it take you to open Word? And please, count the memory from the preload software. ctfmon and Microsoft Office startup items in the system config utility.
If employees having already learned it makes Office 2003 cheaper than OO, then it's going to make Office 2007 massively expensive.
I'm going to start by saying that I absolutely hate open office and MS office alike. And find both applications to be completely bloody useless.
.rtf, every word processor in existence supports it.
That said:
A)
B) The one thing open office actually seems to do well is tables (of course, I haven't used either since a couple years ago, so there may be some regression/improvements).
C) Excel/access interfunctionality is kind of a joke, they have to reinput my information in this setup at work every few weeks, and it's not uncommon for a days worth of entries to suddenly vanish from a database. If openoffice does want to succeed in business, getting something like this that actually works might be a really good idea.
I think that only applies to the business enterprise and ultimate editions of Vista. The first two are'nt being sold, at al, to home customers bundled with PCs right now. At least not that I've seen. And in all cases, it would be cheaper to simply get a home basic computer and buy XP separately (unless you specifically need XP Pro).
Del pays about $50 for a copy of Vista premium, and the same for Vista basic (since they have to give the customer DVD software as well). So the 50 dollars less they charge for the Ubuntu machines spot on in terms of price.
More annoying is their refusal to sell low end hardware. (Must but the nVidia card, even though there's a more than powerful (and compatible) enough Intel onboard graphics card in the D530, etc).
6000 is the figure you're looking for for the semipro recording equipment. Quoted to me by an independant artist who set up shop in his apartment. It included the instruments too.
For comparison, it used to cost 20-30 grand to *rent* that kind of equipment long enough to make an album. And that was when 20 grand meant a lot more.
Shouldn't the lack of applicable software patents *increase* the offense of libel (I assume it's still illegal to lie in order to hurt competition in Europe) if it was made in Europe? Customer's don't necessarily know this, and it means that the chance Ballmer is telling the truth id effectively zero. In the US he might be able to come up with patents, even unenforceable ones, that allow him to have some sort of argument he made the statement in good faith.
.docs at all?)
Suing would might be bad idea though, as long as Ballmer refuses to tell us which patents are being infringe, MS becomes complicit in the infringement, and I don't see the FUD being that big a deal, Especially if the refusal of MS to name the patents, and the resulting weakness of any patent suit, is pointed out to a customer.
And well, there's always the chance that he's telling the truth, and really does have enforceable patents out there, ones that would be hard to get rid of. (How much usage is openoffice going to see if it can't open
You have to factor in a couple things, one is OEM versions, which are cheaper cause they don't have a box or tech support. The other is that the people you buy windows from also payed less than the shelf price.
And not taking away Dell/HP/Gateway's profit margin is the only way you'd ever get them to comply with a requirement like that.
Though while we're on the subject, I'd like to see something brought against Microsoft for the conditions placed on those discounts, requiring that vendors recommend Vista, even when it's a bad idea*, or refuse to sell XP, is exactly the kind of damage to the consumer base anti-trust laws are supposed to protect against. And even if bundling is (mostly) legally baseless, MS making requirements of OEMs that are dependant on Windows for survival is *not*.
*Don't believe me? Find a windows OEM that doesn't have '$company recommends Windows Vista Premium' in that exact wording, at the top of their webpage.
I don't think any computer should be required to be unbundled all the time, though I do think that it should be required that all computers be made available unbundled to people who want it. (with regulations concerning the price difference, charging the same price for not including windows/OSX has the same problems as always including it).
I'm not sure if you should be modded funny or troll...
If you look at the business sales of OSes you get exactly that. In which case Vista business/enterprise represents just 13% of sales, (it's actually been dropping, was 17% earlier in the year), and XP pro represents 27% of sales. (Note, figures are for europe, and for professional versions of the OSes only, the remaining sales are largely the 'no choice' home basic and home premium sales).
I have to wonder about those Linux figures they give though, everything I've seen suggests that Linux is 2-6% of the global desktop usage. (putting it just behind Apple's (all OSes) 3-6%). What methodology are they using that's so much drastically lower?
You can undo updates in windows. Go to add/remove programs and choose the option to show updates.
This does not work in Vista of course.
Which in turn brings up an interesting point... how is this guys blood DNA different when the red blood cells that are affected by this have no DNA?
Did he get chicken stem cells or something?
You're free to any part of it I can duplicate.
The 'ethical' point for markups on parts was set long before the geeks came along, and is around 30%, note that this involves a lot of things. It includes labor to replace it for you, having a part *right now* instead of in a few days, etc.
Techs working for companies have little choice in the matter as well, in cases where I've had reason to recommend RAM upgrades (cause there's nothing like a big OEM to sell you a 1200 dollar system that doesn't actually have the juice to run your OS), I have to recommend my employer to buy the parts from even though I know full well the customer can get the parts cheaper at newegg.
The stuff mentioned in the summary (I didn't RTFA), seems more like incompitence than anything else. That 'worst offender' in particular likely really did think that the hard drive was bad, and if he had a place that would do the recovery for 2 grand, he was getting the customer a hell of a deal on it. (What exactly implies that it would fix the problem I have no idea, the cust would still need a new hard drive, this just gets the data off of it).
iirc IBM licenses it's software patents both to all open source software, and to anybody who extends their patents to FOSS as well. Actually having patents to allow FOSS to use seems fairly irrelevant, as Google jumped in to take advantage of this deal. So pretty much anybody who doesn't have a vested interest in damaging FOSS can still do strange drag mouse to checkmark actions.
How does DRM protect innovation? It downright discourages it, since the company cannot benefit from people tinkering with the devices capabilities.
Nor does it provide any protection from competitors, since any competitor can build their own hardware and use the code still. The *only* thing DRM does is hurt users.
+That link suggests that it's Windows Media Player, rather than WMV, that's the problem, due to embedded IEness. It also specifically mentions quicktime as an exploitable format. It also says there are exploits in second life (that's a new one on me actually).
So, list of places windows users will probably pick up nastyware now includes... actually, anybody know of something that *won't* lead to malware with windows?
Erm, do you mean westasia, or are the names of the regions particularly messed up?
Or am I completely misinterpreting, and we've been involved with tensions with China for far longer than I thought?
I should really save this so I can just paste it each time I say it.
What right does Tivo have to put DRM in *my* hardware in order to make it impossible to modify *my* software any way I see fit? For that matter, how does Tivo count as a user of *my* hardware and *my* software simply because they *sold* it to me?
The GPL, every version, has always been about who gets to own the software, the person who payed for it, or the person who sold it. Being a user, rather than a developer, I have a tendency to side with users on this one.
Um... in that case you're going through a lot of effort and screwing yourself out of windows updates for no reason. Dell will *give* you windows disks that are specific to Dell hardware. (You'll have to fill out the transfer of ownership form, or else know the name of the person who bought the system originally, (when the transfer form asks you for the original owner, put an 'x' for the first and last name) then call up tech support and ask for an install disk). Or you could just, y'know, ctrl+f11 and use the restore partition (assuming that's still on the hard drive).
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I've had no such issue with the .22 kernel, so likely this is being hammered out as time goes on.