1) It's written Conectiva (with one n!)
2) Yeah, I know that RPM 4 has quite important differences relative to RPM 3, but... is programming to RPM 4 so difficult? Or nobody
(Aduva or Conectiva) wants to tackle it?
3) It's yet to be seen a success of RPM 4 and Conectiva's apt.
4) up2date can suck, but for the job it was designed for (maintain people's system updated) works well.
5) Let's face it, people! apt is great and stuff, but it's used as a kind of up2date/rpmup *BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT ONLY AN UPDATER!*.
The Bertelsmann Music Group is a Germany-based company. Under German law, Nazi propaganda is a big crime - and they take it seriously. Remember, Nazis led to 50 years of fracturation of Germany.
BMG doesn't want to get problems under their home law, especially now that they're an interested 3rd party on what's happening in Napster. But Napster is a US company, so they're not obligated to follow the German law!
Maybe we NEED an modus vivendi between US and Euro laws...
And yes, we shall never forget the millions of Jews, gitanos, homosexuals or even plain oppositors of the Nazi tyranny.
The real problem, o lame foreigners from the Metropolis that doesn't know what happens in the colonies...
1) Conectiva is known as a great... Red Hat copier. Even the bugs.
2) Their former distro (Conectiva 5) was a great failure, a buggy piece of code.
3) They're trying to differentiate themselves from RH... maybe because people preferred to buy RH discs from Cheapbytes rather than shelling out US$45,00 and buying their boxes.
4) They BOUGHT nearly all the Brazilian Linux community. The main news site in Brazil is run by a Conectiva employee. All LUGs are unpaid PR departments of Conectiva. And so on. And the lonely ones trying to fight against this Borgization (kudos to Bruno 'Buick' Collovini for denouncing this) are called nuts.
In theory, porting APT to RPM is a great idea. But...
1) It was a bad work. Really. E.g., they made a so-much mess in/etc/apt/sources.list!
2) It uses an old version of RPM. RH 7 uses RPM 4, they still use RPM 3.
3) They don't touched the RPM problem: the confusion that is their database system.
APT is used by Conectiva as a update tool. Most Linux distros have now very good update tools (Mandrake Update is great, RH up2date will be a great one also).
APT is not a update tool. APT is a organizing system, using the dpkg facilities to maintain the system healthy. APT as a update tool is a sad move.
ICANN is completely clueless about their role on the Internet. Sometimes I even wonder if they know what they're doing.
Create a "net red light district" is something good for the community as a whole. Even net.porn lords want.xxx! No more need for dumb-ass programs that lamefully try to protect kids from hardcore.
I installed NSCP6PR3 (Debian woody, kernel 2.4.0-test5) and I can only use security features via PSM as root, not as a normal user. I don't want to log in as root to check my bank account:)
Aside of that, it's GREAT! And, at the first time, Java applets work (or at least the majority of them) in a good manner in Linux.
Simple. You can't make a GPL version of the Conectiva distro. They install StarOffice 5 (which is NOT GPL) as a default with the distro.
While ago, Bruno "Buick" Collovini, a famous Brazilian Linuxer, asked the people from a LUG (LUGs in Brazil are all become Conectiva money-free propaganda commitees) if a GPL disk can be made if the SO 5 was pulled. Nobody even answered if the installation was functional without the SO 5.
And more: a guy started to sell Conectiva disks, a mirror of their ftp. He suffered so much pressure from Conectiva and their gang that he had to pull out.
So: you MUST buy full Conectiva boxes to test their RPM.
Um pacote que não vem com o fonte do kernel (Conectiva 4.2) e um instalador que não permite escolher quais pacotes instalar é mais que suficiente, não?
E o fato de RPMs de distros diferentes não se misturarem por acaso dá à Conectiva o direito de criar um RPM ultrapróprio?
Conectiva missed the whole point of APT. APT is not about automatic updates of the system. It's all about freedom to trim the system (/etc/apt/sources.list) so you can (i) use faster mirrors (ii) use new sources from third-party sites so third-party software can also benefit from APT.
Given the early record of Conectiva in trying to do a closed Linux, I wonder if you can expand their APTized RPT. I don't wonder, I'm certain that you can only use THEIR site. And their ftp sucks so bad that you can't resume downloads!
And one thing more: this ensures Conectiva users can only use Conectiva RPMs. (I doubt RedHat will use it, and have my reserves if other distros RPM users will use it also).
Only a sidenote... it's incredible how GUIs are sucking these days! MacOS was once great, but now is simply a pale joke of the greatness it once was (Aqua is beautiful, but sucks!). Windows interface is a complete mess, I wonder how someone can imagine a GUI so messy. AmigaOS has a great GUI but needs badly being cared. OS/2 had a solid industrial-driven GUI, but Warp started to throw it away. CDE is simply horrible. NeXTStep/OpenStep is elegant and great, but stopped development.
And in the Linux camp, KDE is still trying to mimic Windows desktop. And GNOME is so absorbed on the wonders of OO that forget to advance GUI.
GNOME is the greatest desktop environment Linxu has. GNOME does much, and can do wonders. Nautilus proves that. But needs to focus a bit more on its GUI.
Poor WaSP. They believe that Netscape and Microsoft, as commercial entities, are interested in standards compliance. Let's face it, people, they are NOT interested in standards compliance! The want proprietary extensions so they can easily lock developers to their browser and their servers and their OS and so on.
Mozilla can have ALL problems and defects and suckiness in general. But Mozilla is for Web browsers something like Debian is for the Linux distros: a safe haven for something fair in this game.
Carmack is great. Carmack maybe is the most gifted game programmer of the world. Carmack gave us Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake.
But boys and girls, Carmack is NOT a god!
Carmack on X-Box Advisory (advices can be safely ignored my Microsoft) Board (his advices can be safely ignored by the board) means NOTHING. Really NOTHING.
And, seriously, Microsoft NEEDS Carmack advices. X-Box in 2001? It'll be thrashed by PSX2.
---
Carmack wants X-Windows dead. The problem? He's right. X is good for network work. For games and local desktop needs sucks big time.
-For rural areas and poor neighbourhoods the Internet is a cheap and great way to help on education and selling their goods. -Remember, well-done Americans out there, the first thing you lose on poverty is self-conscience, and the second is self-esteem. The Net is an interesting way to help people recover them. -Some people will laugh at me. But the 486 is still a decent platform for basic Net browsing and e-mail. You can find a 486/8MB with Windows 3.11 at USD150-200. Throw a, say, 28800 or 33600 modem (fortunately Win-crap-modems are not popular at these speeds) at USD20-30, an Arachne web browser and... Basic Net browsing and speed! -OK... do you want a better computer? Go to Salvador, Bahia, in the northeast of Brazil. It's a beautiful, big city with a immense poor population. And a company called Microtec had set up a financing system so people in shanty towns and poor neighbourhoods can buy their very own computer. Very interesting. -I don't know in other countries, but in Brazil free Net ISPs have taken the market by storm. Even some banks (and a lot of poor people receive their salaries on bank accounts) are offering free Net access.
...and MacOSX will not save it. Probably Microsoft (you know, Microsoft will still be the Windows owner) will still be the #1 company on OS for a long time. And people is fed up of Apple and Steve Jobs and his attitude "if I were Bill I had done the same thing!"
First of all, I disagree with a LOT of thing RMS says (especially his holy war against Open Source Movement), but I see him as ESSENTIAL to us - he's not only the guy that create everything our community is based on (and indirectly/.) but also the guardian of Free Software/Open Source against trolls like Troll Tech and NotOpen Group.
(So, please, all Anonymous Cowards that started insulting RMS, SHUT UP! Without him, you would be using some overoveroverpriced/outdated software from some monopolistic/oligopolistic company)
RMS' comments about that crazy license NotOpen Group (or their sponsor, whatever, that doesn't matter of the suckiness of the license) invented on OpenMotif are right! It sounds to me that NotOpen Group thought, "Troll Tech invented the QPL and killed Project Harmony, let's do the same thing and kill Lesstif!"
And the most important question... they 'opened' Motif, but NOT CDE. Why? Explanation left to the reader (Hint: money)
Oh dear, Netscape 6 PR1 has the worst thing of Netscape betas (please show me a stable and responsive first beta of any Netscape product and I'll show you you took too much LSD). Netscape 6 PR1 is a big and horrible memory hog. Netscape 6 PR1 is essentially a renamed Mozilla milestone with AOL crap.
But hey, it rules. And it will kick IE's big fat ass. Now hoping Netscape/AOL guys trim it down.
It's easy to say "this law sucks" when you're an Anonymous Coward, probably an American, working in a company that gets some money from us Brazilians.
But this law is great for Brazilian gov't and Brazilian people because...
Savings for Brazilian government. Imagine the cost-saving on not using expensive Microsoft products.
Oportunity for Brazilian grads to make something. Most grads nowadays graduate themselves in using Microsoft warez because it's the only thing allowed to them in the "free market".
Free market is great - if you're leading the pack. Remember that.
Slashdot Mirror
1) It's written Conectiva (with one n!)
2) Yeah, I know that RPM 4 has quite important differences relative to RPM 3, but... is programming to RPM 4 so difficult? Or nobody
(Aduva or Conectiva) wants to tackle it?
3) It's yet to be seen a success of RPM 4 and Conectiva's apt.
4) up2date can suck, but for the job it was designed for (maintain people's system updated) works well.
5) Let's face it, people! apt is great and stuff, but it's used as a kind of up2date/rpmup *BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT ONLY AN UPDATER!*.
The Bertelsmann Music Group is a Germany-based company. Under German law, Nazi propaganda is a big crime - and they take it seriously. Remember, Nazis led to 50 years of fracturation of Germany.
BMG doesn't want to get problems under their home law, especially now that they're an interested 3rd party on what's happening in Napster. But Napster is a US company, so they're not obligated to follow the German law!
Maybe we NEED an modus vivendi between US and Euro laws...
And yes, we shall never forget the millions of Jews, gitanos, homosexuals or even plain oppositors of the Nazi tyranny.
The real problem, o lame foreigners from the Metropolis that doesn't know what happens in the colonies...
/etc/apt/sources.list!
1) Conectiva is known as a great... Red Hat copier. Even the bugs.
2) Their former distro (Conectiva 5) was a great failure, a buggy piece of code.
3) They're trying to differentiate themselves from RH... maybe because people preferred to buy RH discs from Cheapbytes rather than shelling out US$45,00 and buying their boxes.
4) They BOUGHT nearly all the Brazilian Linux community. The main news site in Brazil is run by a Conectiva employee. All LUGs are unpaid PR departments of Conectiva. And so on. And the lonely ones trying to fight against this Borgization (kudos to Bruno 'Buick' Collovini for denouncing this) are called nuts.
In theory, porting APT to RPM is a great idea. But...
1) It was a bad work. Really. E.g., they made a so-much mess in
2) It uses an old version of RPM. RH 7 uses RPM 4, they still use RPM 3.
3) They don't touched the RPM problem: the confusion that is their database system.
APT is used by Conectiva as a update tool. Most Linux distros have now very good update tools (Mandrake Update is great, RH up2date will be a great one also).
APT is not a update tool. APT is a organizing system, using the dpkg facilities to maintain the system healthy. APT as a update tool is a sad move.
Not so nice, Slashdot trolls. Reality is ugly.
(Note to Conectiva propaganda people: FODAM-SE!)
ICANN is completely clueless about their role on the Internet. Sometimes I even wonder if they know what they're doing.
.xxx! No more need for dumb-ass programs that lamefully try to protect kids from hardcore.
Create a "net red light district" is something good for the community as a whole. Even net.porn lords want
Oh Lord, save the Net from ICANN dumbness!
...leads to this. Hope they'll be more rational on IPv6.
Has anyone got this problem?
:)
I installed NSCP6PR3 (Debian woody, kernel 2.4.0-test5) and I can only use security features via PSM as root, not as a normal user. I don't want to log in as root to check my bank account
Aside of that, it's GREAT! And, at the first time, Java applets work (or at least the majority of them) in a good manner in Linux.
Simple. You can't make a GPL version of the Conectiva distro. They install StarOffice 5 (which is NOT GPL) as a default with the distro.
While ago, Bruno "Buick" Collovini, a famous Brazilian Linuxer, asked the people from a LUG (LUGs in Brazil are all become Conectiva money-free propaganda commitees) if a GPL disk can be made if the SO 5 was pulled. Nobody even answered if the installation was functional without the SO 5.
And more: a guy started to sell Conectiva disks, a mirror of their ftp. He suffered so much pressure from Conectiva and their gang that he had to pull out.
So: you MUST buy full Conectiva boxes to test their RPM.
You've been warned.
Um pacote que não vem com o fonte do kernel (Conectiva 4.2) e um instalador que não permite escolher quais pacotes instalar é mais que suficiente, não?
E o fato de RPMs de distros diferentes não se misturarem por acaso dá à Conectiva o direito de criar um RPM ultrapróprio?
Conectiva missed the whole point of APT. APT is not about automatic updates of the system. It's all about freedom to trim the system (/etc/apt/sources.list) so you can (i) use faster mirrors (ii) use new sources from third-party sites so third-party software can also benefit from APT.
Given the early record of Conectiva in trying to do a closed Linux, I wonder if you can expand their APTized RPT. I don't wonder, I'm certain that you can only use THEIR site. And their ftp sucks so bad that you can't resume downloads!
And one thing more: this ensures Conectiva users can only use Conectiva RPMs. (I doubt RedHat will use it, and have my reserves if other distros RPM users will use it also).
Only a sidenote... it's incredible how GUIs are sucking these days! MacOS was once great, but now is simply a pale joke of the greatness it once was (Aqua is beautiful, but sucks!). Windows interface is a complete mess, I wonder how someone can imagine a GUI so messy. AmigaOS has a great GUI but needs badly being cared. OS/2 had a solid industrial-driven GUI, but Warp started to throw it away. CDE is simply horrible. NeXTStep/OpenStep is elegant and great, but stopped development.
And in the Linux camp, KDE is still trying to mimic Windows desktop. And GNOME is so absorbed on the wonders of OO that forget to advance GUI.
GNOME is the greatest desktop environment Linxu has. GNOME does much, and can do wonders. Nautilus proves that. But needs to focus a bit more on its GUI.
The real thing is: gmc sucks so bad, but sucks SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad that Nautilus, even in PR1, is better than it.
Please, GNOME guys! Halt development on gmc, it sucks big time. Concentrate all efforts on Nautilus. And let gmc rest in peace.
Poor WaSP. They believe that Netscape and Microsoft, as commercial entities, are interested in standards compliance. Let's face it, people, they are NOT interested in standards compliance! The want proprietary extensions so they can easily lock developers to their browser and their servers and their OS and so on.
Mozilla can have ALL problems and defects and suckiness in general. But Mozilla is for Web browsers something like Debian is for the Linux distros: a safe haven for something fair in this game.
Carmack is great. Carmack maybe is the most gifted game programmer of the world. Carmack gave us Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake.
But boys and girls, Carmack is NOT a god!
Carmack on X-Box Advisory (advices can be safely ignored my Microsoft) Board (his advices can be safely ignored by the board) means NOTHING. Really NOTHING.
And, seriously, Microsoft NEEDS Carmack advices. X-Box in 2001? It'll be thrashed by PSX2.
---
Carmack wants X-Windows dead. The problem? He's right. X is good for network work. For games and local desktop needs sucks big time.
---
As a Brazilian, I would like to say that:
-For rural areas and poor neighbourhoods the Internet is a cheap and great way to help on education and selling their goods.
-Remember, well-done Americans out there, the first thing you lose on poverty is self-conscience, and the second is self-esteem. The Net is an interesting way to help people recover them.
-Some people will laugh at me. But the 486 is still a decent platform for basic Net browsing and e-mail. You can find a 486/8MB with Windows 3.11 at USD150-200. Throw a, say, 28800 or 33600 modem (fortunately Win-crap-modems are not popular at these speeds) at USD20-30, an Arachne web browser and... Basic Net browsing and speed!
-OK... do you want a better computer? Go to Salvador, Bahia, in the northeast of Brazil. It's a beautiful, big city with a immense poor population. And a company called Microtec had set up a financing system so people in shanty towns and poor neighbourhoods can buy their very own computer. Very interesting.
-I don't know in other countries, but in Brazil free Net ISPs have taken the market by storm. Even some banks (and a lot of poor people receive their salaries on bank accounts) are offering free Net access.
...and MacOSX will not save it. Probably Microsoft (you know, Microsoft will still be the Windows owner) will still be the #1 company on OS for a long time. And people is fed up of Apple and Steve Jobs and his attitude "if I were Bill I had done the same thing!"
First of all, I disagree with a LOT of thing RMS says (especially his holy war against Open Source Movement), but I see him as ESSENTIAL to us - he's not only the guy that create everything our community is based on (and indirectly /.) but also the guardian of Free Software/Open Source against trolls like Troll Tech and NotOpen Group.
(So, please, all Anonymous Cowards that started insulting RMS, SHUT UP! Without him, you would be using some overoveroverpriced/outdated software from some monopolistic/oligopolistic company)
RMS' comments about that crazy license NotOpen Group (or their sponsor, whatever, that doesn't matter of the suckiness of the license) invented on OpenMotif are right! It sounds to me that NotOpen Group thought, "Troll Tech invented the QPL and killed Project Harmony, let's do the same thing and kill Lesstif!"
And the most important question... they 'opened' Motif, but NOT CDE. Why? Explanation left to the reader (Hint: money)
Oh dear, Netscape 6 PR1 has the worst thing of Netscape betas (please show me a stable and responsive first beta of any Netscape product and I'll show you you took too much LSD). Netscape 6 PR1 is a big and horrible memory hog. Netscape 6 PR1 is essentially a renamed Mozilla milestone with AOL crap.
But hey, it rules. And it will kick IE's big fat ass. Now hoping Netscape/AOL guys trim it down.
*Go Judge Jackson Go!*
>Watch out folks, commercialization of GNOME is coming
Isn't it something we should be expecting one time or another?
But GPL is great! It can be used as a great and strong way to avoid this commercialization from closing the source.
That's why I'm believing more and more that God exists, sends the GPL to RMS and illuminated Linus to use it on Linux.
Especially Brazil? I want DILBERITOS!!!
But this law is great for Brazilian gov't and Brazilian people because...
Free market is great - if you're leading the pack. Remember that.
'Nuff said on subject!
Wireless phones will surpass wired ones at 2005. Now 2,4Mbps from your wireless phone.
Who will use a wired phone in 2010?
Sheesh. Mozilla is pre-alpha.
If you want to flamebait Mozilla, wait at least until a beta is released.
Bob Young, make an action that will make you and RH remembered forever: buy SCO and kill it.
-- Cesar
(Sending a Multia like this down the Ecuator would be... ahn... something like $100 or more!)