And lets not forget that a majority of the income received by artists is from concerts. If a single is an ad for the CD, then the CD is an ad for the artists and typically bring people to the conerts.
That's why I've never understood why so many artists (i.e., the ones that aren't executives like my former drumming idol Lars Ulrich of Metallica) are against sharing music. The executives earn less (boohoo, so they make $20m instead of $30m) but the artists might actually learn more - if people are unwilling to buy CDs (either because of high prices or because a majority of songs on a CD suck) they can still get a dose of the artists through MP3s and what not, hopefully prompting the person to see the artists in concert.
What's with this line here: "This is similar to their requirements on keeping e-mail, although technically not nearly as easy."
Since when was keeping email hard? All the threads above talk about using a corporate server for their IM since it provides centralized logging. Well, since I'm betting that every employee's workstation does act as their own personal SMTP server, they have a centralized SMTP server, too! It's a pretty safe bet.:-)
So, why in the world, is this hard? Simply tell the SMTP server to keep copies of all the email (perhaps after the SPAM filtration, where applicable). This is hardly hard.
IM isn't always for bullshitting around. I use it to contact coworkers some distance off, or to setup lunch plans with some former coworkers elsewhere in the research park - but, hey, one has to eat!
This reminds me of the problems surrounding SCO: they can't stand on their own two feet, so they sue every major company to acquire *their* feet.
I think this is an unfair move as I see others have already posted. Everyone knows that it's hard to make money off OSS (some of the questions to Hans Reiser asked about that) but there is no reason to penalize companies who can make money so that OSS can stands on *its* own two feet.
Whatever your stance is (for or against OSS or Microsoft - and, hey, there are many others to be fair), it's hard to deny that this is a foul play in the world of free markets.
How can I burn these so my XBox can play them?:-( I know, I know, no replies needed. I just want to be able to finish my Metroid Prime game I started on my brother-in-laws GC on my XBox (and can't really warrant buying a GC to finish one game - I hardly play my XBox).
But it's only his property for a limited time. That's what he agreed to when he signed up. It is a subscription-like model and you have to keep it going. An entity really only leases a domain. If you don't pay the lease on your car (assuming it's leased), you loose it. How is this any different?
Besides, $65m for the domain stealer and $100m for VeriSign? This has got to be a joke! How can any respectable court award him that much money. I cannot believe for one second that the domain - even over the course of 6 years - would've made even close to $65m! Maybe close to $1m, but even that's probably pushing it! This is rediculous.
But who says those coders know what they're doing or if they do it in the most efficient manner because they might not see the bigger picture?
Keep in mind, too, that the OSS world is not limited to linux. I'm part of a very large Windows development community that not only uses IE (we also use Mozilla at times), but contains IE as a UI component, the same that Mozilla can *finally* do.
So, not all Windows users are consumers. This is a blatently stupid comment from a one-track-minded person. Some linux users are consumers to, albeit not as many because most consumers can't use it!
I find that a lot of the people I've interviewed, people I work with, and people that read my articles on codeproject are just too damn lazy to read the documentation. Researching is what being a developer is about. Anyone can write code! Problem solving requires a certain amount of research or knowing whats available so you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
Granted, as some people have pointed out, canned solutions don't always fit or changing cryptic code - see, now that you know what the other end feels like, COMMENT YOUR SOURCE - isn't the best solution. That's understandable.
But a lot of it are these get-lots-of-money-quick-by-getting-a-career-in-com puters tech-school grads, formerly McDonald's employees. They're taught a trade, not a skill. A few might have it in them and truly be interesed enough to research more, but not many. Even university students - who are generally taught to learn or a problem-solving mindset - sometimes don't realize that class will not teach you the practical stuff you need to know - you have to do that on your own time. Heck, a few of my old professors hardly knew what they were talking about because they haven't been out in the real world since they graduated with Ph.D.s!
I don't like running multiple copies, either. Personally, I prefer MS Reader on my Pocket PC because Adobe eBook Reader takes way too long to open, uses too much memory, and takes up too much space (which really goes along with too much memory). I'd rather remove it.
Even if the debates prove to be useful and a new format arises, I'm betting that Microsoft and Palm will probably integrate the new format in their eBook readers, but Adobe will probably do their own thing - they think they invented the "electronic document" and how dare anyone tell them how to do it!
They're a company with probably the most products and services in the world that also integrate with each other and other products more than any other, and are far more extensible!
So, whoopty-f'in-do to your little 1000-line, "bug-free" linux script that does something that 100 scripts already do and doesn't integrate with anything!
After having watched the last episode, the Line Gunmen are dead, it was just visions Mulder was having, or perhaps the dead visiting him. Wasn't really sure which. Knowing the X-Files, probably the latter!
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You're right, you didn't use the word "gun" in your reply; you used the word "gone" when you meant "gun".
C-Sharp is the correct name of the language. You don't call C-Plus-Plus C-Positive-Positive, do you? Call it what it is, unless you're just a raving lunatic.
Also, I did say that C++ was the incremental version of C and I know that C derived from B. What real geek doesn't know that? C# was claimed to have borrowed many elements from C, though Java seems more like a likely candidate. Instead of calling the language D, they went with a somewhat logical increment to C#, probably having something to do with the 88-key keyboard on a piano. Who knows with Microsoft sometimes.
Finally, everyone is knocking.NET and they've probably never even read through the SDK docs. I've been using it for some time and have even landed a.NET developer job with high pay and stock and received a free XBox for contributing so much to a high-profile.NET development site. Sure, it seems like a knock-off of J2EE but.NET makes things easier. With the release of the JDK 1.4, I see that XML support has improved and I'm looking forward to reviewing it as I do use both. However, JVMs are still slower than the CLR and MSIL (Microsoft Intermediate Language) is a step lower than Java byte-code.
Besides, I'm not a Microsoft junkie but I do see valid uses with both Windows and linux. I do have Linux Administration Certification and use that for my primary server. Too many linux geeks are one-track minded: linux is not the be-all, end-all solution for everything, as is Microsoft. Both (and Macs) have appropriate uses and it's time everyone starts realizing it. GNOME 2.0 and KDE 3.0 are much better than previous versions, but they still don't have the element of familiarity or the tight integration that Windows has that most users have become accustomed to or just flat-out need for their daily lives. X-Windows is still made up of too many desparate projects and doesn't have that level of integration through mechanisms such as COM (though I'm finding DCOP pretty interesting and useful in KDE).
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How can anyone take you seriously when you mispronounce terms and misspell so much, like "gun" (not "gone"). It's C-Sharp and J-Sharp, as in musical notation, where "#" means sharp (they black key half a step to the right of a white key, to put it simply). It was the next logical step going from C to C++ to C# (with each an increment from the previous).
As an Iowa resident, I have yet to see this, and I stay pretty current with what's going on around me. Heck, I'm smack dab in the middle of Iowa.
Of course, none of this really matters since the wiring in our apartment building is too old and the original contractors just looped the extra wire causing way too much induction across the coil. Now I'm stuck with crappy Mediacom Digital Cable who's upload speeds (which I actually use) suck!
After all the movies like Terminator, Matrix, 2001 Space Odessy, etc. etc., someone is just finally getting this thought in their head now? Damn, I've been saying this for years after all the writer/directors in Hollywood started selling this stuff on the big screen for entertainment...or so people thought!
Does everything Microsoft does have to be under scrutiny? Personally, I think AOL/Time/Warner(/US Gov't) is more evil by far. The only reason no one ever gives them crap is because the government is a secret part of that merger!
Microsoft Passport is a good idea. Sun et. al. think so. They are coming up with Liberty, their answer to Passport.
Does Passport need work? Yes, I don't deny that. But does Passport store *everything* on the server? NO! A site that implements Passport is responsible for keeping track of their own consumer's information. This is outlined in the.NET Framework and Passport SDKs. Currently, there is no way for a site to pass infomration back to the central Passport database. The only thing Passport could know about you in that case is that you go to that site.
Get off their backs. I'm a big linux and open-source supporter but I also realize that Microsoft has better integration as a whole system. I'm getting really tired of the crap everyone on this site gives them. You could point fingers at a lot of other companies, too, not just Microsoft. For instance, anyone read the other post today? Linus is being a pain in the butt. Maybe you should scrutinize him for a while!
You make a valid point, but I have one correction:
The elimination of Netscape-style plug-ins was a security concern. Netscape-style plug-ins are simply DLLs loaded with LoadLibrary(...) that execute code with no protection in mind, such as SSL Object Signing (Microsoft's branded Authenticode). By getting rid of that layer, they closed another hole for crackers to insert potentially harmful code. With ActiveX, users (at least, those that understand signed controls or at least read the dialog that pops up) have the security of signed code, such as the ActiveX wrapper for QuickTime. This way, at least users are "warned" that the control is safe to download. You don't get this option with DLLs with a model like Netscape-style plug-ins.
Just FYI. I do get your point about the other, though. I pray that the SSSCA does not pass. Too few people have too much money already!
On the other hand, they might just say "Won't somebody think of the children/national economy!" and ignore him. It seems to be working fine up to now.
Thank you! I'm glad someone is finally saying it. All these companies are making a large amount of money by citing the children or producing crappy (quality-wise) flags that heart-broken Americans will buy because "It's the right thing to do."
I'm glad someone else realizes that companies are making a killing of those killed.
This is not entirely a bad thing. My DVD player supports DVDs as well as VCDs, Music CDs, and MP3s. This is just one more format to include on a DVD. It's providing users with another format to listen to media with.
I'm not all for Microsoft either and hate their business practices and motivation to squash open source as much as the next guy, but too/.'ers are too close-minded toward Microsoft because they are Microsoft.
It's not like Microsoft will strengthen their stranglehold on companies by including another format. It's still up to the content providers what format they use. And with cross-platform players and compilers out there for getting Windows codecs to work on linux, it's not anyone can complain that they can't play WMA files.
In my area, here in central Iowa (Ames), Mediacom bought AT&T Digital Cable and Broadband, and in many other places around here. What's confusing me is did Mediacom buy out all of AT&T's digital services or just in the midwest? With stories like these, I get confused. I assume the buy-out was semi-local, but how will this affect Mediacom Broadband, formerly AT&T Broadband?
This is not a flame, just an FYI: Microsoft is only charging for.NET if you want to use their registered services (can't remember what they're called off hand because I, too, am too lazy to look it up). Basically, this means you can use.NET all you want (I'm actually using ASP.NET and Web Services at work for my job), but you have to pay when you want to integrate it with their new Windows Messenger (formerly MSN IM) services that contains tabs of different services. Basically, you're paying them to use their servers - not the framework.
I was referring to real technical colleges, not MIS or Design majors. They only use computers, not develop or run services and what not. I do draw my observations not only from the LUG but from overhearing others around Atanasoff. It's also true that CprE has never looked too kindly on us, either. Take a look now and you'll see a large linux following.
As far as the computer users like MIS and Design majors (which I work with a couple) - they (Design majors) use Macs because they are superior for designing graphics (at an affordable price unlike decent SGI's). Linux might never be. Linux is good, however, for encoding movies and some of these design majors realize this, especially after the Final Fantasy movie that used something like 140 linux machines clustered to encode the movie. A lot of them know this.
When did you graduate? Things might have changed since then.
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And lets not forget that a majority of the income received by artists is from concerts. If a single is an ad for the CD, then the CD is an ad for the artists and typically bring people to the conerts.
That's why I've never understood why so many artists (i.e., the ones that aren't executives like my former drumming idol Lars Ulrich of Metallica) are against sharing music. The executives earn less (boohoo, so they make $20m instead of $30m) but the artists might actually learn more - if people are unwilling to buy CDs (either because of high prices or because a majority of songs on a CD suck) they can still get a dose of the artists through MP3s and what not, hopefully prompting the person to see the artists in concert.
What's with this line here:
"This is similar to their requirements on keeping e-mail, although technically not nearly as easy."
Since when was keeping email hard? All the threads above talk about using a corporate server for their IM since it provides centralized logging. Well, since I'm betting that every employee's workstation does act as their own personal SMTP server, they have a centralized SMTP server, too! It's a pretty safe bet. :-)
So, why in the world, is this hard? Simply tell the SMTP server to keep copies of all the email (perhaps after the SPAM filtration, where applicable). This is hardly hard.
IM isn't always for bullshitting around. I use it to contact coworkers some distance off, or to setup lunch plans with some former coworkers elsewhere in the research park - but, hey, one has to eat!
This reminds me of the problems surrounding SCO: they can't stand on their own two feet, so they sue every major company to acquire *their* feet.
I think this is an unfair move as I see others have already posted. Everyone knows that it's hard to make money off OSS (some of the questions to Hans Reiser asked about that) but there is no reason to penalize companies who can make money so that OSS can stands on *its* own two feet.
Whatever your stance is (for or against OSS or Microsoft - and, hey, there are many others to be fair), it's hard to deny that this is a foul play in the world of free markets.
How can I burn these so my XBox can play them? :-( I know, I know, no replies needed. I just want to be able to finish my Metroid Prime game I started on my brother-in-laws GC on my XBox (and can't really warrant buying a GC to finish one game - I hardly play my XBox).
Oh, yes, and *everyone* here at slashdot never makes spelling or grammatical mistakes, either intentionally or accidentally.
BTW, the second "loose" should be in quotes to be grammatically correct. See? :)
But it's only his property for a limited time. That's what he agreed to when he signed up. It is a subscription-like model and you have to keep it going. An entity really only leases a domain. If you don't pay the lease on your car (assuming it's leased), you loose it. How is this any different?
Besides, $65m for the domain stealer and $100m for VeriSign? This has got to be a joke! How can any respectable court award him that much money. I cannot believe for one second that the domain - even over the course of 6 years - would've made even close to $65m! Maybe close to $1m, but even that's probably pushing it! This is rediculous.
But who says those coders know what they're doing or if they do it in the most efficient manner because they might not see the bigger picture?
Keep in mind, too, that the OSS world is not limited to linux. I'm part of a very large Windows development community that not only uses IE (we also use Mozilla at times), but contains IE as a UI component, the same that Mozilla can *finally* do.
So, not all Windows users are consumers. This is a blatently stupid comment from a one-track-minded person. Some linux users are consumers to, albeit not as many because most consumers can't use it!
First, wow, is this first post?
PNG also supports larger pixel depths and alpha channels? How will the death of PNG void the existence of GIF?
I find that a lot of the people I've interviewed, people I work with, and people that read my articles on codeproject are just too damn lazy to read the documentation. Researching is what being a developer is about. Anyone can write code! Problem solving requires a certain amount of research or knowing whats available so you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
Granted, as some people have pointed out, canned solutions don't always fit or changing cryptic code - see, now that you know what the other end feels like, COMMENT YOUR SOURCE - isn't the best solution. That's understandable.
But a lot of it are these get-lots-of-money-quick-by-getting-a-career-in-com puters tech-school grads, formerly McDonald's employees. They're taught a trade, not a skill. A few might have it in them and truly be interesed enough to research more, but not many. Even university students - who are generally taught to learn or a problem-solving mindset - sometimes don't realize that class will not teach you the practical stuff you need to know - you have to do that on your own time. Heck, a few of my old professors hardly knew what they were talking about because they haven't been out in the real world since they graduated with Ph.D.s!
I don't like running multiple copies, either. Personally, I prefer MS Reader on my Pocket PC because Adobe eBook Reader takes way too long to open, uses too much memory, and takes up too much space (which really goes along with too much memory). I'd rather remove it.
Even if the debates prove to be useful and a new format arises, I'm betting that Microsoft and Palm will probably integrate the new format in their eBook readers, but Adobe will probably do their own thing - they think they invented the "electronic document" and how dare anyone tell them how to do it!
They're a company with probably the most products and services in the world that also integrate with each other and other products more than any other, and are far more extensible! So, whoopty-f'in-do to your little 1000-line, "bug-free" linux script that does something that 100 scripts already do and doesn't integrate with anything!
After having watched the last episode, the Line Gunmen are dead, it was just visions Mulder was having, or perhaps the dead visiting him. Wasn't really sure which. Knowing the X-Files, probably the latter!
You're right, you didn't use the word "gun" in your reply; you used the word "gone" when you meant "gun".
C-Sharp is the correct name of the language. You don't call C-Plus-Plus C-Positive-Positive, do you? Call it what it is, unless you're just a raving lunatic.
Also, I did say that C++ was the incremental version of C and I know that C derived from B. What real geek doesn't know that? C# was claimed to have borrowed many elements from C, though Java seems more like a likely candidate. Instead of calling the language D, they went with a somewhat logical increment to C#, probably having something to do with the 88-key keyboard on a piano. Who knows with Microsoft sometimes.
Finally, everyone is knocking .NET and they've probably never even read through the SDK docs. I've been using it for some time and have even landed a .NET developer job with high pay and stock and received a free XBox for contributing so much to a high-profile .NET development site. Sure, it seems like a knock-off of J2EE but .NET makes things easier. With the release of the JDK 1.4, I see that XML support has improved and I'm looking forward to reviewing it as I do use both. However, JVMs are still slower than the CLR and MSIL (Microsoft Intermediate Language) is a step lower than Java byte-code.
Besides, I'm not a Microsoft junkie but I do see valid uses with both Windows and linux. I do have Linux Administration Certification and use that for my primary server. Too many linux geeks are one-track minded: linux is not the be-all, end-all solution for everything, as is Microsoft. Both (and Macs) have appropriate uses and it's time everyone starts realizing it. GNOME 2.0 and KDE 3.0 are much better than previous versions, but they still don't have the element of familiarity or the tight integration that Windows has that most users have become accustomed to or just flat-out need for their daily lives. X-Windows is still made up of too many desparate projects and doesn't have that level of integration through mechanisms such as COM (though I'm finding DCOP pretty interesting and useful in KDE).
How can anyone take you seriously when you mispronounce terms and misspell so much, like "gun" (not "gone"). It's C-Sharp and J-Sharp, as in musical notation, where "#" means sharp (they black key half a step to the right of a white key, to put it simply). It was the next logical step going from C to C++ to C# (with each an increment from the previous).
She's a skank, plain and simple. The worst rolemodel for a young girl, and unfortunately she's got most of them in her evil clutches.
Besides, regarding her jingle, "...for those who think young," she got practically ever guy thinking young (of her), which is just wrong.
As an Iowa resident, I have yet to see this, and I stay pretty current with what's going on around me. Heck, I'm smack dab in the middle of Iowa.
Of course, none of this really matters since the wiring in our apartment building is too old and the original contractors just looped the extra wire causing way too much induction across the coil. Now I'm stuck with crappy Mediacom Digital Cable who's upload speeds (which I actually use) suck!
After all the movies like Terminator, Matrix, 2001 Space Odessy, etc. etc., someone is just finally getting this thought in their head now? Damn, I've been saying this for years after all the writer/directors in Hollywood started selling this stuff on the big screen for entertainment...or so people thought!
Does everything Microsoft does have to be under scrutiny? Personally, I think AOL/Time/Warner(/US Gov't) is more evil by far. The only reason no one ever gives them crap is because the government is a secret part of that merger!
Microsoft Passport is a good idea. Sun et. al. think so. They are coming up with Liberty, their answer to Passport.
Does Passport need work? Yes, I don't deny that. But does Passport store *everything* on the server? NO! A site that implements Passport is responsible for keeping track of their own consumer's information. This is outlined in the .NET Framework and Passport SDKs. Currently, there is no way for a site to pass infomration back to the central Passport database. The only thing Passport could know about you in that case is that you go to that site.
Get off their backs. I'm a big linux and open-source supporter but I also realize that Microsoft has better integration as a whole system. I'm getting really tired of the crap everyone on this site gives them. You could point fingers at a lot of other companies, too, not just Microsoft. For instance, anyone read the other post today? Linus is being a pain in the butt. Maybe you should scrutinize him for a while!
You make a valid point, but I have one correction:
The elimination of Netscape-style plug-ins was a security concern. Netscape-style plug-ins are simply DLLs loaded with LoadLibrary(...) that execute code with no protection in mind, such as SSL Object Signing (Microsoft's branded Authenticode). By getting rid of that layer, they closed another hole for crackers to insert potentially harmful code. With ActiveX, users (at least, those that understand signed controls or at least read the dialog that pops up) have the security of signed code, such as the ActiveX wrapper for QuickTime. This way, at least users are "warned" that the control is safe to download. You don't get this option with DLLs with a model like Netscape-style plug-ins.
Just FYI. I do get your point about the other, though. I pray that the SSSCA does not pass. Too few people have too much money already!
Thank you! I'm glad someone is finally saying it. All these companies are making a large amount of money by citing the children or producing crappy (quality-wise) flags that heart-broken Americans will buy because "It's the right thing to do."
I'm glad someone else realizes that companies are making a killing of those killed.
This is not entirely a bad thing. My DVD player supports DVDs as well as VCDs, Music CDs, and MP3s. This is just one more format to include on a DVD. It's providing users with another format to listen to media with.
I'm not all for Microsoft either and hate their business practices and motivation to squash open source as much as the next guy, but too /.'ers are too close-minded toward Microsoft because they are Microsoft.
It's not like Microsoft will strengthen their stranglehold on companies by including another format. It's still up to the content providers what format they use. And with cross-platform players and compilers out there for getting Windows codecs to work on linux, it's not anyone can complain that they can't play WMA files.
In my area, here in central Iowa (Ames), Mediacom bought AT&T Digital Cable and Broadband, and in many other places around here. What's confusing me is did Mediacom buy out all of AT&T's digital services or just in the midwest? With stories like these, I get confused. I assume the buy-out was semi-local, but how will this affect Mediacom Broadband, formerly AT&T Broadband?
This is not a flame, just an FYI: Microsoft is only charging for .NET if you want to use their registered services (can't remember what they're called off hand because I, too, am too lazy to look it up). Basically, this means you can use .NET all you want (I'm actually using ASP.NET and Web Services at work for my job), but you have to pay when you want to integrate it with their new Windows Messenger (formerly MSN IM) services that contains tabs of different services. Basically, you're paying them to use their servers - not the framework.
I was referring to real technical colleges, not MIS or Design majors. They only use computers, not develop or run services and what not. I do draw my observations not only from the LUG but from overhearing others around Atanasoff. It's also true that CprE has never looked too kindly on us, either. Take a look now and you'll see a large linux following.
As far as the computer users like MIS and Design majors (which I work with a couple) - they (Design majors) use Macs because they are superior for designing graphics (at an affordable price unlike decent SGI's). Linux might never be. Linux is good, however, for encoding movies and some of these design majors realize this, especially after the Final Fantasy movie that used something like 140 linux machines clustered to encode the movie. A lot of them know this.
When did you graduate? Things might have changed since then.