Concerning this specific topic, he certainly acted like an idiotic illiterate know-it-all, specifically because he pontificated on the issue of games being ineligible to be considered as art while not having played a single one.
If you share an honest opinion that the average slashdotter agrees on it's instant karma, if they don't like it (even if the post is perfectly motivated and well written) you will get modded down. Kind of sad... The modding system isn't there to promote your agenda, it's there to promote the insightful discussions Slashdot is known for!
In my opinion, Slashdot cannot lay claim to promoting insightful discussions anymore, at least as far as anything Sony is concerned. Over here, most/. folks are willing to believe ANYTHING negative about Sony, even if it's from the worst sort of tabloid, and are unwilling to do the slightest bit of research if said research will work to disprove their bias against Sony.
Over here, anything anti-Sony, even if it's a blatant example of trolling = modded > +2,3,4 or 5 Insightful, Interesting or Informative, while anything NOT anti-Sony = modded 0, -1 Troll or Flamebait.
Says a lot about the maturity of the moderators here.
Also ChoicePoint (which never told me it had lost my information) and Citi Cards (who did not issue a press release but just gave me a call saying there was a chance my CC info may have been compromised and they were sending me a new card).
Oh, come on. There's nothing biased or incredible about calling Sony evil. They do not have any lofty goals whatsoever. They care only about two things: money and power (control). And they've proven several times that they have very little in the way of scruples in how they get that money and power. I think you can safely call that evil.
Are they more evil than a company like Monsanto that willfully deals with corrupt civil servants in Africa in order to restrict the freedom of African farmers? Probably not. But due to their singular drive for money, combined with the anonymity of the decision makers, most large corporations do behave evilly quite often. Not all, mind you. Google, for example, often tries to do really honestly good, but even they, despite their "don't be evil" motto, do find themselves occasionally doing evil. Apparently it's hard for an abstract multitude of people to not be evil.
As far as goals are concerned, I think you just described every for-profit corp in existence. However, time after time, when only one tech corp is picked out in a specific group, while evangelizing other similar companies, then something's not...kosher.
In my experience, people who call Sony evil, also call Microsoft evil. The discussion is mostly about which is the most evil. (Probably Oracle.)
Not my experience here - on/. most of the folks seem to be condemning Sony while evangelizing Microsoft. Such hypocrisy (at least in Sony-PS3 related threads), in my estimate, could only be because they happen to prefer that platform and so have associated all negativity with the "other" platform. Something about "confirmation bias" and all that.
And if you are really looking for evil, may I suggest Lockheed-Martin, Northrop-Grumman, big Pharma and big Oil?
Not to burst your bubble, but aren't you forgetting XBox Live Gold? MS requires that in order for Netflix to work.
Good point (I had forgotten that), but it doesn't change the concept that fundamentally the thought this failure is because of control is not right - it's the danger of too many control paths.
Yeah I can't disagree that it wasn't really necessary for PSN to be tied with Netflix. That said, Netflix does track what devices you are using it to stream on. If you use a BR player or Internet-enabled TV (as I do), then the TV or BR Player actually generates a specific authorization code that you have to enter at the Netflix website for it to work on the device. I imagine this is just another way for Netflix, NOT Sony to control which devices Netflix services appear on (for DRM, I imagine - which is why it hasn't showed up on Android commercially yet). And my guess is, Sony are just complying with Netflix requirements in this by tying it to PSN IDs. As are Microsoft.
Only the PS3 software (that I'm aware of), introduces another player in that chain. The PS3 Netflix app responds to not one, but two motherships - Netflix and the PSN.
Not to burst your bubble, but aren't you forgetting XBox Live Gold? MS requires that in order for Netflix to work. And if your Gold subscription expires, you can't use Netflix either. And no "external intrusion" required for that.
...Besides, the only thing making this a 'rights' issue is that those rights are being centrally managed by a purely evil entity (Sony)....
When you start attributing qualities like "evil" and "good" to abstract entities like a huge multitude of individuals just in order to try and make points AGAINST such entities as you might be biased against, is when you lose credibility.
The US Govt is responsible for a lot of evils (as are most Govts around the world), but not in its entirety. In much the same way, SOME of Sony's divisions have acted irresponsibly or in a crass manner, without consideration for other people, much like Anonymous with their DDOS attacks and revealing of Sony employees' name and family info (unpardonable) and whoever is responsible for this "external intrusion". Does not mean they as a unit are "evil".
Usually I find the primary group of people who call Sony "evil" in regards to their gaming platform have an overwhelming affection for the Microsoft platform.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why gamers will never be taken seriously.
This attitude of "Fuck rights! I want mah GAEMS!" that has been displayed by many gamers during the entire GeoHot Vs Sony episode has me seriously perplexed.
I find it really telling that the people who post such things like the tripe quoted here feel that only THEY have rights - the rights of normal gamers is just collateral damage
That's what Nintendo does best, unlike Microsoft/Sony, who only do gaming on the side of their regular business
I think most third-party game developers beg to differ with you as far as the actual console gaming scene is concerned. Unless you think ALL the major Game Devs/Pubs are wrong and YOU are right.
I'm guessing that's because the majority of/. "moderators" (and I use that term very loosely here) are comprised of anti-Sony zealots who probably preferred HD-DVD specifically because of that hatred, and have somehow got it into their head that Blu-ray is solely a Sony effort and will take any and every chance to argue about the "disadvantages" of anything by Sony.
My opinion is that if HD-DVD had won and this article would have the same story but with HD-DVD in the title, all of the present detractors would have been falling over themselves evangelizing Hi-Def as offered by Toshiba and Microsoft.
That's how I view online forums as well - a place where I can discuss my perspective without being down-voted for not falling in with the mob mentality.
Before I actually started participating on Slashdot, I used to think it was comprised of folks interested in tech and actually interested in open-minded discussion with all viewpoints respected.
Oh I was mistaken. How I was mistaken!
Apparently, to be considered Insightful, Interesting, or Informative, all you have to say is "Grrr! I hope Sony goes down in flames!" or something like that. And to be Flamebait, Troll or Redundant, all you have to be is not anti-Sony.
So, if things turned out the way geohot hoped for, he would have been hired by Sony and would have been one of those behind Sony's next DRM scheme, earning big cash. But things did not turn out that way and now that very person is calling the other side for help, arguing about freedom and the rest.
The ostriches on this site love the sand too much to notice that.
Regardless of his motivations - egotistical though they may be - the fact is that Sony is still in the wrong here. It's unfortunate that you allow your issues with Hotz to cloud your perception of this.
I think it could just as equally validly be claimed of the majority of posters here on/. that they are allowing their "issues with Sony to cloud their perception of this".
"I don't like Sony - ergo ANYTHING that damages them is good" mentality.
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Concerning this specific topic, he certainly acted like an idiotic illiterate know-it-all, specifically because he pontificated on the issue of games being ineligible to be considered as art while not having played a single one.
Not true - Sony hashed the passwords; but never let facts get in the way of an anti-Sony zealot, right?
Wouldn't you be a little less confident while trying out the password? How would this "verify by the way you type" approach interpret this?
If you share an honest opinion that the average slashdotter agrees on it's instant karma, if they don't like it (even if the post is perfectly motivated and well written) you will get modded down. Kind of sad... The modding system isn't there to promote your agenda, it's there to promote the insightful discussions Slashdot is known for!
In my opinion, Slashdot cannot lay claim to promoting insightful discussions anymore, at least as far as anything Sony is concerned. Over here, most /. folks are willing to believe ANYTHING negative about Sony, even if it's from the worst sort of tabloid, and are unwilling to do the slightest bit of research if said research will work to disprove their bias against Sony.
Over here, anything anti-Sony, even if it's a blatant example of trolling = modded > +2,3,4 or 5 Insightful, Interesting or Informative, while anything NOT anti-Sony = modded 0, -1 Troll or Flamebait.
Says a lot about the maturity of the moderators here.
Also ChoicePoint (which never told me it had lost my information) and Citi Cards (who did not issue a press release but just gave me a call saying there was a chance my CC info may have been compromised and they were sending me a new card).
A one-week outage does not make Xbox live better.
Uh, it doesn't? What other console have you owned that locked you out of playing games for a week?
That would be the XBox 360 - it locked people out of playing games COMPLETELY, online or not.
Evangelizing Microsoft? On what alternate slashdot have you been hanging out?
That would be THIS /. - on EVERY single Sony PS3 related thread. Just READ the comments.
Oh, come on. There's nothing biased or incredible about calling Sony evil. They do not have any lofty goals whatsoever. They care only about two things: money and power (control). And they've proven several times that they have very little in the way of scruples in how they get that money and power. I think you can safely call that evil.
Are they more evil than a company like Monsanto that willfully deals with corrupt civil servants in Africa in order to restrict the freedom of African farmers? Probably not. But due to their singular drive for money, combined with the anonymity of the decision makers, most large corporations do behave evilly quite often. Not all, mind you. Google, for example, often tries to do really honestly good, but even they, despite their "don't be evil" motto, do find themselves occasionally doing evil. Apparently it's hard for an abstract multitude of people to not be evil.
As far as goals are concerned, I think you just described every for-profit corp in existence. However, time after time, when only one tech corp is picked out in a specific group, while evangelizing other similar companies, then something's not ...kosher.
In my experience, people who call Sony evil, also call Microsoft evil. The discussion is mostly about which is the most evil. (Probably Oracle.)
Not my experience here - on /. most of the folks seem to be condemning Sony while evangelizing Microsoft. Such hypocrisy (at least in Sony-PS3 related threads), in my estimate, could only be because they happen to prefer that platform and so have associated all negativity with the "other" platform. Something about "confirmation bias" and all that.
And if you are really looking for evil, may I suggest Lockheed-Martin, Northrop-Grumman, big Pharma and big Oil?
Not to burst your bubble, but aren't you forgetting XBox Live Gold? MS requires that in order for Netflix to work.
Good point (I had forgotten that), but it doesn't change the concept that fundamentally the thought this failure is because of control is not right - it's the danger of too many control paths.
Yeah I can't disagree that it wasn't really necessary for PSN to be tied with Netflix. That said, Netflix does track what devices you are using it to stream on. If you use a BR player or Internet-enabled TV (as I do), then the TV or BR Player actually generates a specific authorization code that you have to enter at the Netflix website for it to work on the device. I imagine this is just another way for Netflix, NOT Sony to control which devices Netflix services appear on (for DRM, I imagine - which is why it hasn't showed up on Android commercially yet). And my guess is, Sony are just complying with Netflix requirements in this by tying it to PSN IDs. As are Microsoft.
Only the PS3 software (that I'm aware of), introduces another player in that chain. The PS3 Netflix app responds to not one, but two motherships - Netflix and the PSN.
Not to burst your bubble, but aren't you forgetting XBox Live Gold? MS requires that in order for Netflix to work. And if your Gold subscription expires, you can't use Netflix either. And no "external intrusion" required for that.
I guess its still cool to blindly hate MS and all their activities.
Replace MS with Sony in the above sentence and you will get the majority of the /. hive-mind.
...Besides, the only thing making this a 'rights' issue is that those rights are being centrally managed by a purely evil entity (Sony)....
When you start attributing qualities like "evil" and "good" to abstract entities like a huge multitude of individuals just in order to try and make points AGAINST such entities as you might be biased against, is when you lose credibility.
The US Govt is responsible for a lot of evils (as are most Govts around the world), but not in its entirety. In much the same way, SOME of Sony's divisions have acted irresponsibly or in a crass manner, without consideration for other people, much like Anonymous with their DDOS attacks and revealing of Sony employees' name and family info (unpardonable) and whoever is responsible for this "external intrusion". Does not mean they as a unit are "evil".
Usually I find the primary group of people who call Sony "evil" in regards to their gaming platform have an overwhelming affection for the Microsoft platform.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why gamers will never be taken seriously. This attitude of "Fuck rights! I want mah GAEMS!" that has been displayed by many gamers during the entire GeoHot Vs Sony episode has me seriously perplexed.
I find it really telling that the people who post such things like the tripe quoted here feel that only THEY have rights - the rights of normal gamers is just collateral damage
That's what Nintendo does best, unlike Microsoft/Sony, who only do gaming on the side of their regular business
I think most third-party game developers beg to differ with you as far as the actual console gaming scene is concerned. Unless you think ALL the major Game Devs/Pubs are wrong and YOU are right.
In three years, my "console" will consist of my smartphone with an HDMI cable attached to it.
Can't honestly say what mine will be comprised of, but I know it won't be from SONY.
Don't know what mine will have in its innards, but I DO know mine WILL be from Sony. And Microsoft. And Nintendo.
...and this got modded "insightful"...
I'm guessing that's because the majority of /. "moderators" (and I use that term very loosely here) are comprised of anti-Sony zealots who probably preferred HD-DVD specifically because of that hatred, and have somehow got it into their head that Blu-ray is solely a Sony effort and will take any and every chance to argue about the "disadvantages" of anything by Sony.
My opinion is that if HD-DVD had won and this article would have the same story but with HD-DVD in the title, all of the present detractors would have been falling over themselves evangelizing Hi-Def as offered by Toshiba and Microsoft.
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I agree. A while back, I purchased a Gillette shaving gel (I don't remember which type it was now), but it was advertised as "Fragrance-free!".
I guess they weren't able to get any kind of fragrance to work with that gel.
I came here hoping to discuss something intelligently and find that instead of Slashdot, we now have XBox central - full of Sony-haters.
My mistake.
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Before I actually started participating on Slashdot, I used to think it was comprised of folks interested in tech and actually interested in open-minded discussion with all viewpoints respected.
Oh I was mistaken. How I was mistaken!
Apparently, to be considered Insightful, Interesting, or Informative, all you have to say is "Grrr! I hope Sony goes down in flames!" or something like that. And to be Flamebait, Troll or Redundant, all you have to be is not anti-Sony.
What a woeful state of affairs.
So, if things turned out the way geohot hoped for, he would have been hired by Sony and would have been one of those behind Sony's next DRM scheme, earning big cash. But things did not turn out that way and now that very person is calling the other side for help, arguing about freedom and the rest.
The ostriches on this site love the sand too much to notice that.
Regardless of his motivations - egotistical though they may be - the fact is that Sony is still in the wrong here. It's unfortunate that you allow your issues with Hotz to cloud your perception of this.
I think it could just as equally validly be claimed of the majority of posters here on /. that they are allowing their "issues with Sony to cloud their perception of this".
"I don't like Sony - ergo ANYTHING that damages them is good" mentality.