Sshnet establishes an SSH connection and, rather than execute a remote command, presents the remote server's TCP stack as a network stack (see the discussion of TCP in ip(3)) mounted at mtpt (default/net), optionally posting a 9P service descriptor for the new file system as/srv/service.
all this in 8 megs of ram, 500mb hard drive (which turned out to have died long ago when we rebooted the box to take it away on its 500th day of uptime) and handled web traffic and redirection with up to 3gb outgoing traffic a day...
funny though, none of those guys look anything like the 'i dropped out of school and look where i'm now at' type so highly touted in the pre- bubble burst era:)
see, that's because biology is harder than Computer Science -- we're simply not smart enough:)
here's an interesting undergrad project for you -- how many famouse computer scientists in the past 40 years have originally started as mathematicians.
totally agree with you. computer science is not the forefront of technology anymore -- it's too commercialized. or maybe it's just too complex these days (always a good read -- "System Software Research is Irrelevant", a talk by rob pike that summarizes most people's feelings towards operating systems and computer science in general).
the next big thing (speaking from the point of view of someone who has spent the last 7 years in a north american university) is biotechnology...
of course i hope i'm disproved -- i like computers, not counting genes...
damn it, why not make the stack grow downwards, like Plan 9 has done? ain't no stack smashing there! hell, no superuser either! (plus private namespaces take care of everything else)
Spaf: You can't secure a machine with a privileged user.
according to The Register's article here the losses are minimal, when compared with the operating income MS gets from Windows, Office and their Server products. The numbers are (quoting the register):
Windows: $2.48 billion on $2.89 billion revenue Office: $1.88 billion on $2.38 billion revenue Servers: $519 million on $1.52 billion revenue
compare that with a loss of $177 (and microsoft lost on many other things, like CE/Mobility) and you'll see that the picture is not as bad as it looks (heh, for them, anyway)...
Slashdot is aiming for the sensationalism value again, but that's nothing new now, is it?:)
the article is called 'reflections on trusting trust' and Ken Thompson wrote it upon inception of the ACM distinguished scientist award. now, we all know you are full of shit (since you can't even spell his name right) but claiming that 'each version of login was compromised' is so far off base that it't not even funny.
follow the link posted already, read it and try to understand what he fundamentally tries to tell you. then go and read aleph1's 'smashing the stack for fun and profit' and try to get a glimpse of what 'hacking' was considered in the 80s.
no, i can't do what you suggest to me, even if i wanted to: it is not easy to not pay attention to stallman -- he's got that 'in your face' attitude that's hard to avoid.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:42:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: Richard Stallman
To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com
Subject: Plan Nine deep-sixed by non-free license
Reply-to: rms@gnu.org
I was excited to hear that Plan Nine might become free software, but it turns out that the license is too restrictive to qualify. We will have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its present license.
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that said, you can now possibly see the point in my original comment. and no, i'm not dave presotto, i'm quoting this out of comp.os.plan9, where people like you often visit to share their views of what's free software and what's not.
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we've been doing this with Plan 9 since 2000.
/net), optionally posting a 9P service descriptor for the new file system as /srv/service.
from the ssh man page:
Sshnet establishes an SSH connection and, rather than execute a remote command, presents the remote server's TCP stack as a network stack (see the discussion of TCP in ip(3)) mounted at mtpt (default
whenever i see a post like yours i'm always reminded of an old firewall we had:
bash-2.03$ uname -a
OpenBSD sucky 2.6 GENERIC#696 i386
bash-2.03$ uptime
8:28PM up 485 days, 20:12, 2 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.08, 0.08
bash-2.03$ ifconfig -A | grep inet | wc -l
37
all this in 8 megs of ram, 500mb hard drive (which turned out to have died long ago when we rebooted the box to take it away on its 500th day of uptime) and handled web traffic and redirection with up to 3gb outgoing traffic a day...
funny though, none of those guys look anything like the 'i dropped out of school and look where i'm now at' type so highly touted in the pre- bubble burst era :)
:)
interesting read nonetheless, thanx
see, that's because biology is harder than Computer Science -- we're simply not smart enough :)
here's an interesting undergrad project for you -- how many famouse computer scientists in the past 40 years have originally started as mathematicians.
how many as physicists?
totally agree with you. computer science is not the forefront of technology anymore -- it's too commercialized. or maybe it's just too complex these days (always a good read -- "System Software Research is Irrelevant", a talk by rob pike that summarizes most people's feelings towards operating systems and computer science in general).
the next big thing (speaking from the point of view of someone who has spent the last 7 years in a north american university) is biotechnology...
of course i hope i'm disproved -- i like computers, not counting genes...
"and the surgery to implant the chip at the base of your skull is so painless it's no wonder I'm number one." -the wwwyzzerdd.
We were taught that the fourth law was coined by a Bulgarian (that's where I'm from) sci-fi writer and stated something to the effect of:
"A robot must always identify itself as a robot"
The writer's name is Luben Dilov Sr.
umm, here is what i mean (see section 4.2)...
damn it, why not make the stack grow downwards, like Plan 9 has done? ain't no stack smashing there! hell, no superuser either! (plus private namespaces take care of everything else)
Spaf: You can't secure a machine with a privileged user.
he's one of the backseat drivers -- never so much as gotten close to a supercomputer and he thinks he knows how to make one...
shit! am I _that_ old?
...damn
i remember when slashdot _announced_ that cd-s can be microwaved for fun and profit!
damn... *sip*
senility is next, i s'pose...
I like an even better quote:
``I think there is a world market for maybe five computers''
Thomas Watson, IBM, 1943
an all Asimov books with their 'computers as big as a city'... those were the days...
wonder why no mention of the new HP iPAQ released today with the very same price ($299) http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/28146.html ..
and this one runs a host of other, non-MS operating systems...
that would be $177 million, my bad :)
according to The Register's article here the losses are minimal, when compared with the operating income MS gets from Windows, Office and their Server products. The numbers are (quoting the register):
:)
Windows: $2.48 billion on $2.89 billion revenue
Office: $1.88 billion on $2.38 billion revenue
Servers: $519 million on $1.52 billion revenue
compare that with a loss of $177 (and microsoft lost on many other things, like CE/Mobility) and you'll see that the picture is not as bad as it looks (heh, for them, anyway)...
Slashdot is aiming for the sensationalism value again, but that's nothing new now, is it?
It's Ken Thompson. How do I know? His name is right beneath the title of the article you linked.
the article is called 'reflections on trusting trust' and Ken Thompson wrote it upon inception of the ACM distinguished scientist award. now, we all know you are full of shit (since you can't even spell his name right) but claiming that 'each version of login was compromised' is so far off base that it't not even funny.
follow the link posted already, read it and try to understand what he fundamentally tries to tell you. then go and read aleph1's 'smashing the stack for fun and profit' and try to get a glimpse of what 'hacking' was considered in the 80s.
in support of your comment:
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22790&cid=2
at the time this was posted red hat 6.2 had trouble running oracle 8i for more than 50 days straight
oh no, it's the plan9 from bell-labs operating system all over again :)
reiser is just implementing what others have done long time ago:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.html
i'm just calling it 'smoked glass'. though it's an official sun-viewer optical piece that came with my roommate's telescope :)
actually some people will have a chance to see the amazing annular eclipse which is much more interesting.
i saw the full eclipse last year (in bulgaria) and will definitely have my smoked glass for tonight's (50% only, where i'm at) eclipse!
no, i can't do what you suggest to me, even if i wanted to: it is not easy to not pay attention to stallman -- he's got that 'in your face' attitude that's hard to avoid.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:42:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: Richard Stallman
To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com
Subject: Plan Nine deep-sixed by non-free license
Reply-to: rms@gnu.org
I was excited to hear that Plan Nine might become free software, but it turns out that the license is too restrictive to qualify. We will have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its present license.
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that said, you can now possibly see the point in my original comment. and no, i'm not dave presotto, i'm quoting this out of comp.os.plan9, where people like you often visit to share their views of what's free software and what's not.
the problem is that he tells other people not to download the code because he doesn't like the license.
the obvious one is 'speed', but i'll give you another hint -- security. t
he plan9 security model actually works.
more info at: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/auth.html
try 16bpp.. people reported that fixes the problem.