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Coolest Cluster Ever

sw155kn1f3 writes "Scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory built a cheap (less than $1k per unit) 294-unit Beowulf claster dedicated to run astrophysics calculations. According to their website it's 85th fastest computer in the world. Seems cool and promising as it made with cheap components and off the shelf hardware."

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  1. mainstream by lordgert · · Score: 1

    if only machine-making like this became mainstream. what would we use the computing power for? SETI? i say we can never have enough power. *insert tim the toolman joke*

    1. Re:mainstream by brsmith4 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we can use it for something more useful than seti. I could really give a rat's ass if there are ETs. I'd rather find a cure for different cancers or maybe AIDS perhaps.

    2. Re:mainstream by narkotix · · Score: 0

      roh roh roh roh rohh

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  2. Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine a single unit of these...

    1. Re:Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A single unit of these imagines SOVIET RUSSIA!

  3. Imagine a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    beowulf cluster of these running off the energy of these radioactive trees in the last story.

    -)

  4. astrophysics...astromech? by zombiepopper · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Astrophysics calculations eh? So basically it's an ugly R2-D2...great. Really fantastic.

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    1. Re:astrophysics...astromech? by MilitaryIntel · · Score: 1

      An uglier, more expensive R2-D2 to be exact. But, then again for the power it has for just over a quarter of a million dollars isn't that bad. Although, if you had a quarter of a million to spend on a supercomputer you would expect results.

    2. Re:astrophysics...astromech? by kmahan · · Score: 1

      And not some grouchy R2 unit that is always wandering off.

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    3. Re:astrophysics...astromech? by Drakin · · Score: 1

      Don't for get that it's bigger too...

    4. Re:astrophysics...astromech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least it's not some faggy C-3PO

      Like you?

  5. Obligatory by BSDevil · · Score: 4, Funny

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these...Beo...shit - I knew this joke would have to end at some point.

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    1. Re:Obligatory by paganizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oddly enough, I was just going to make the exact same post. Thank you for sparing me. Freenet IS the hope of the future

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    2. Re:Obligatory by CoolVibe · · Score: 1

      You mean a beowulf cluster of these "beowulf clasters"? Imagine the potential!

    3. Re:Obligatory by jsse · · Score: 1

      Since this comes to an end - anyone would kindly tell me where this joke come from? :)

  6. XP Media Center by D+iz+a+n+k+Meister · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Must really have some neat features since they are using these.

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  7. Powerful nodes.... by tgrotvedt · · Score: 0
    Damn, with the power of these nodes, it seems to be a large bang for the buck ($1k per unit).

    I'm sure using this cluster, we will finally be able to get decent fps on the leaked Doom 3!

    ....Strange days indeed....

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  8. Uh oh by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Astrophysics.... 85th largest in the world... Call the department of homeland security, this could be terrorism! Yeah, okay.. it was stupid :P

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    1. Re:Uh oh by MoThugz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, it's stupid... as you can see from the article itself, everyone involved in that project has a @*.gov email.

      Sheesh...

    2. Re:Uh oh by Decimal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Astrophysics.... 85th largest in the world... Call the department of homeland security, this could be terrorism!

      We should actually be worried about the eithty-fourth fastest computer in the world... Saddam Hussein has built it out of a warehouse of imported PlayStation 2s.

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    3. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wanted you to know: Your sig, in addition to being egregiously mispunctuated, is not even remotely humorous. Cheers.

    4. Re:Uh oh by edrugtrader · · Score: 1

      NOOOOO!!! they have already hacked the .gov domain and set up email accounts. i've heard of these guys and they have tons of box cutters too

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  9. And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Informative

    They didn't even use a rack mount solution, they used regular Shuttle XPC SS51G Mini-PCs

    I thought Shuttles Mini-PCs were cool before but this really resets the scale... Now where is the HOWTO for this thing? ;)

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    1. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by ryochiji · · Score: 5, Funny
      > They didn't even use a rack mount solution

      I was thinking that too when I saw the picture. I mean, how are they securing those boxes? The way it looks, I certainly wouldn't want to be standing near that rack when an earthquake hits...

      But then, imagine: Cause of death: crushed by Beowulf cluster. That's a geek's dream come true!

    2. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by kmellis · · Score: 2
      " But then, imagine: Cause of death: crushed by Beowulf cluster. That's a geek's dream come true!" - ryochiji
      Yeah, the kind of dream you wake from out of breath and with your heart racing. I, for one, am not yearning for a violent, ignoble death. But for those of you that are, it's probably easy to arrange.
    3. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by Tet · · Score: 2
      They didn't even use a rack mount solution, they used regular Shuttle XPC SS51G Mini-PCs

      The question has to be... why? I've never understood why so many people build clusters with essentially desktop PCs. Haven't these people ever heard of the 1U rack mount case? Yes, it's a slightly more expensive inital outlay. But surely the cost savings in terms of floorspace and power/cooling for such a large volume would outweigh that in no time flat? Plus the Shuttle, like most other desktop cases, don't have the option of hot swappable drives. With the number of machines in this sort of cluster, drive failure is a major problem. The ability to just pull the failed drive out of the front to replace it would be a huge win.

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    4. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 2
      they used regular Shuttle XPC SS51G [shuttleonline.com] Mini-PCs
      Well, duh!! Of course they used shuttles - it's for a space simulation!
      http://space-simulator.lanl.gov/ ;-)
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    5. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by lobsterGun · · Score: 1

      > But then, imagine: Cause of death: crushed by Beowulf cluster. That's a geek's dream come true!

      Ummm no. Unless they all have custom case mods...

    6. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 1

      But why not use just a motherboard? All of these Beowulf-type systems have hundreds of cases and assorted sundries; why not save money and dispense with the cases.

      The RAM, NIC and CPU are easily able to support themselves, so just make a simple shelf with slots to slide in 300 bare motherboards. The disks can easily sit on the shelf between the motherboards. In fact, why not double up the power supplies (or more?). All the system needs is a few voltages - so a system-wide +-12/5/3.3 volt power bus would be sufficient and would save on space.

      Cooling could then be even easier: just a strong draught through the room.

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    7. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      Actually, you should be careful about the benefits of making the servers more and more dense! 1U servers are a pain to deal with for cables, and keeping the things cool. If you have the space, there is almost no real benefit to fitting the equipment into as tight a footprint as possible.

    8. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by Tet · · Score: 1
      If you have the space, there is almost no real benefit to fitting the equipment into as tight a footprint as possible.

      Perhaps you're right, but I suspect it's a cultural thing. Living in London, space is a precious commodity, and is priced accordingly. To buy (or rent) enough floorspace to hold a cluster of this size would cost a significant amount of money, and the savings from cutting it down would be *huge*. I guess it's hard for those in the US to really understand. To give you some idea, Greater London has an average population density of 11,850 people per square mile rising to 22,200 if you only consider Inner London (the City is essentially split into two concentric rings, an inner and an outer). Compare that with Santa Fe, the nearest urban area to LANL, with only 1,500 people per square mile, and you get some idea of why I'm not used to space being a common commodity. Even the most densely populated area of the US, Los Angeles, only has some 5,800 people per square mile (although if you just consider Central New York, then it's comparable to London, but that's only the centre of the City, not the urbanized area).

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    9. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by Gaber · · Score: 1

      Space and cooling were issues at LANL, which is why the designers chose the Shuttle boxes instead of desktop cases or 1U rackmount cases (or even Blade servers). 294 desktop cases wouldn't fit in the room, but 1U cases would generate too much heat in too small a space, and the AC system couldn't handle it. And since replacing the entire AC system wasn't really viable, the Shuttle cases were the best option.

      -Gabe

    10. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by MeepMeep · · Score: 1

      The "racks" look like commercial grade restaurant shelving, if you've used them in real life you would know they are really strong - they're usually rated at 500 lbs per shelf and can be attached to each other.

      The shelves have a wire lip, so things don't slide off too easily.

      Funny thing is I use the exact same shelving to hold MY computers!! Cheap, lots of places to run wires, you can ground the whole thing, you can even get it with wheels.

      MeepMeep

    11. Re:And they used Shuttle XPC SS51Gs! by Faust · · Score: 1

      > I certainly wouldn't want to be standing near that rack when an earthquake hits...

      Silly Californians, we don't have earthquakes in New Mexico, though a tornado would make a rather large mess... Doubt those shuttles were made for flying.

  10. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They use small cases (see site) with only 200W power supply and a "heat pipe" instead of a fan!

    1. Re:Wow by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Informative

      and a "heat pipe" instead of a fan!

      Actually, the heat pipe doesn't replace the fan, it just lowers the number of fans used in the system, since the case and processor fan can be combined.

      Tom's Hardware has a review of one of these things (not the same model though)... have a look.

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    2. Re:Wow by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      yeah but unless you have a graphics card fan, that leaves only a fan for the power supply so that is pretty cool.

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  11. Um, how does that make it the 'coolest'? by autopr0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't really think you can really quantify coolness in general, but I fail to see how the fact that this thing is cheap makes it all that cool.

    Perhaps if it was going to run simulations of ultra-low temperature physics... get it? haha. I kill me.

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    1. Re:Um, how does that make it the 'coolest'? by blanktek · · Score: 0

      Like the article says it "uses a heat pipe instead of a CPU fan." That make it cooler. Pun!

    2. Re:Um, how does that make it the 'coolest'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had viewed the link you would have seen why he thought it was cool. It uses small form (shuttle) PCs.

    3. Re:Um, how does that make it the 'coolest'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the article before posting?? Yer new to slashdot huh??

    4. Re:Um, how does that make it the 'coolest'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the article before posting you fuckin tool box. And all you mods, same deal. LEARN TO FUCKING READ.

    5. Re:Um, how does that make it the 'coolest'? by MWelchUK · · Score: 1

      Coolest, no, but the Physics department at my uni (Lancaster Uni - www.lancs.ac.uk) use a reasonably sized beowulf cluster (about 220ish machines from memory) for low energy particle collision simulation! Is that close enough?

  12. Not that impressive by agentkhaki · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's just me, but the "85th" fastest computer in the world just doesn't do anything for me. I mean, sure, it's cool and all, but... Really... 85th?

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    1. Re:Not that impressive by tgrotvedt · · Score: 3, Interesting
      C'mon....

      For $294,000US, this has to impress you.

      All of the top 10 fastest computers in the world are multi-multi-million dollar machines. This is a breakthrough because it represents another milestone in bringing supercomputing accessible.

      $264k one day, $100k the next. I sincerely hope that soon small-to-medium enterprises can own supercomputers. With all the low budget physics stuff going on at Universities around the world, cheap supercomputing can only be a good thing.

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    2. Re:Not that impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you an idiot? I bet you wish you were at least average.

    3. Re:Not that impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You claim you are smart, yet you still feel the need to pay out people on Internet forums out of insecurity.

      Q.Why would an intelligent member of society do this?

      A. Trick question; They wouldn't.

    4. Re:Not that impressive by BWJones · · Score: 4, Informative

      I sincerely hope that soon small-to-medium enterprises can own supercomputers. With all the low budget physics stuff going on at Universities around the world, cheap supercomputing can only be a good thing.

      Actually they can with software like that from Dauger Research, Project Appleseed and Wolfram Research with gridMathematica

      The cool thing here is that this code can be run on all of the desktop computers that already occupy companies and universities world wide allowing for easy access to supercomputer level computational speed (for those problems that can be attacked using parallel computation of course) using the same computers normally used for productivity.

      Very cool.

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    5. Re:Not that impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And after the top 84 fastest computers, there's a *real* big drop-off...

    6. Re:Not that impressive by jstott · · Score: 1
      All of the top 10 fastest computers in the world are multi-multi-million dollar machines. This is a breakthrough because it represents another milestone in bringing supercomputing accessible.

      Unfortunately, not all supercomputers are created equal. For running something like Monte Carlo simulations where each thread of execution (i.e. CPU) proceeds more or less independantly of each other, Beowulf clusters are just the ticket. For other problems (e.g. molecular dynamics simulations with long-range interactions), you pretty much need a shared-memory system otherwise you nuke your network bandwith keeping the system state of every node in sync with every other node.

      Real super-computers also have internal bandwidths that are orders of magnitude faster than your PCI bus (35 Gbyte/sec/CPU for a top-line Cray, even faster for in-cache access). They also include things like vector processors that just fly through repetative mathematical calculations (think loop unrolling, but done in hardware and big chunks of the loop done in a single clock cycle).

      In short, yes a Cray is a multi-multi million dollar machine, but for many common scientific computing problems you are getting a level a performance for that money that no cluster has any hope of touching.

      -JS

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    7. Re:Not that impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thik it's really impressive considering the cost.. Each cluster unit BELOW $1000... That means the WHOLE thing costs somewhere around $300,000 plus manhours to install and configure probably around $150,000. So for less than half a million, you have the 85th fastest machine, THAT's impressive.... Probably beat out machines costing twice or more...

    8. Re:Not that impressive by Fizzlewhiff · · Score: 2

      What kind of environmental impact does a cluster like this have over a super computer. Hardware wise it is cheaper to build but what does it cost to power it, cool it, and house it?

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    9. Re:Not that impressive by nentwined · · Score: 0

      or more importantly, generally *unused* for productivity. ;)

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  13. Wow! That is fast! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I wonder how fast that thing could calculate the answer to this quiz?:
    Quiz

  14. For less than $300,000... by TWX_the_Linux_Zealot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It would be possible for a group of people, not necessarily a small group, but not necessarily huge, either to repeat this. 100 people, each with $3,000, could do it. The group would need to find some space to house the thing, and would probably have to do it in a climate where it could be relatively naturally cooled, which definitely rules out Phoenix. The computer would then be one of the fastest machines in the world.

    Granted, I don't know what the hell they'd do with the computer, but it would be kind of cool to be on the list.

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    1. Re:For less than $300,000... by kgarcia · · Score: 1

      Granted, I don't know what the hell they'd do with the computer

      kick your opponent's butts in [insert favorite fps here]... ???

    2. Re:For less than $300,000... by buswolley · · Score: 2, Insightful
      actually. if these people are not after money, then this would be a great computer to work out simulations for social dynamics, alternatice economic system theory, etc.

      The point being, if you are creaticve, you could find quite a few interesting things to do.

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    3. Re:For less than $300,000... by Cheese+Cracker · · Score: 2

      "It would be possible for a group of people, not necessarily a small group, but not necessarily huge, either to repeat this. 100 people, each with $3,000, could do it. The group would need to find some space to house the thing, and would probably have to do it in a climate where it could be relatively naturally cooled, which definitely rules out Phoenix."

      Who'd pay the insurance and electric bills?

      "Granted, I don't know what the hell they'd do with the computer..."

      They'd spend another amount of cash on a OC-48 connection to the internet and then offer webhosting to website owners who think they might be next in line of getting linked in a story at slashdot.com ...

    4. Re:For less than $300,000... by jericho4.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Good point. All the supercomputers in the world today are being used by big money programes. I can't wait until this is on my desktop (or on a network I can use).

      There are thousands of complex systems that could be modeled that might provide fasinating insights. What happens when you run the Game of Life for 10^100 generations? How about compiling the Linux kernel in a genetic algorithim? Who knows?

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    5. Re:For less than $300,000... by buswolley · · Score: 1

      hey thats some really good ideas. Mod the parent up. Besides, money making ideas often spring up from research that doesnt seem to have a profitable explanation.

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    6. Re:For less than $300,000... by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 2

      Granted, I don't know what the hell they'd do with the computer, but it would be kind of cool to be on the list.

      Duh! Doom III of course!

    7. Re:For less than $300,000... by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ouch who modded the parent as Troll? That was an on-topic and interesting post. You do realize you're going to be M2'd?

    8. Re:For less than $300,000... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they could lease time to Pharmaceutical (sp?) companies, 3D shops such as Pixar, various universities, futures traders, pretty much any and all financial institutions...

      Basically, there is a huge list of potential clients. If you could build a strong enough client list BEFORE you went and purchased/leased the equipment it would be a viable venture.

    9. Re:For less than $300,000... by kippy · · Score: 1

      Now my idea is a little crazy but I think we should use it to loot for aliens. no, no, hear me out... we could have millions of people donate idle CPU time and we could use it to look in the search for extraterrestrial life. We could shorten that to SETI. people could do it right out of their homes.

      what would we call it though...

    10. Re:For less than $300,000... by nentwined · · Score: 0

      hmm. super-hi-res realtime 3d fractal tripper toy. :)

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  15. Nice Guys, Too by goldid · · Score: 1

    And, just for the record, I would like to say that I know these guys and they're very nice, too. They work in my Dad's building. Nifty. Go T-Division!

    1. Re:Nice Guys, Too by dethl · · Score: 1

      Lucky...I'm just an intern for EES-12 :P

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  16. Why build one anymore? by aalex675 · · Score: 1

    Why build one when they could more easily have just leased the processing power from Intel?

    1. Re:Why build one anymore? by Ruds · · Score: 1

      I don't know the prices/loads involved, but I would guess that they win on this one with building their own. It might be another story if the only choice is a multi-million dollar supercomputer, and definitely if they couldn't keep it busy. But this is a quarter-million dollar machine with plenty of MIPS that I'm sure will be used--Los Alamos astrophysicists probably can come up with enough simulations to fill the queue.

      So the question is, I suppose, what is Intel's/IBM's/whoever's cost per cycle per second compared with the long-term costs associated with this machine--node replacement, maintenance personnel, etc? Again, although I don't know the numbers, a guess would put the Beowulf cluster cheaper, as the cycle sellers are looking to compete with more expensive supercomputers.

      Matt

    2. Re:Why build one anymore? by Cryptnotic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not to mention national security issues. LANL has had many problems with security in the last few years.

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  17. Re:ha! by buswolley · · Score: 1
    a super beowulf cluster, that is.

    ie. where each beouwulf cluster is set to solve a particular problem. once done it sends the answer(s) to other beouwulf clusters, in accordance to the master plan by the Big-CHEESe beowulf cluster, the BRAIN, if you will. In this way, the entire package of beouwulf clusters can work together as a super Beowulf Cluster, or Super Bluster for short.(more on that later)

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  18. Shuttle by T-Kir · · Score: 2

    Now if there was ever an advert for Shuttle XPC systems, the image does that just nicely.

    If I only had 1 Shuttle XPC, that would be great. I suppose Shuttle ought to add this site to their news section. Hopefully their web server runs off these systems and a fat internet pipe... just to test the /. load.

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  19. faster computer??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I throw a calculator at 90 MPH, who has the faster computer then?

  20. 1000 machine beowulf cluster by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Take a look at this room A 1000-Pentium Beowulf-Style Cluster Computer half way down the page.

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    1. Re:1000 machine beowulf cluster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why? that system sucks ass. no hd, only 64 megs ram, and dual pentium II 350. hell. that system is sooo bad my pentium 200 nearly beats it :p

  21. You don't understand!!! by RomikQ · · Score: 1
    It should be

    1. Imagine a Mosix cluster of those
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    1. Re:You don't understand!!! by tconnors · · Score: 1

      It should be

      Imagine a Mosix cluster of those



      Um, openmosix, you corporate scum :)

  22. Yes, but... by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Imagine a radioactive beowulf cluster of these!

  23. Bull by CanadaDave · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I don't know how they can claim to be the cheapest Beowulf cluster at $1k/unit. That is $1k UDS per unit I assume, which is $1500 CAD (actually more than that due to bad exchange). Okay, let's say $1550 CAD. Well with that I could buy a pretty sweet computer, actually a REALLY sweet computer, considering it doesn't need a monitor, or a fancy video card. I mean, we're just talking mobo, CPU, fan, RAM, network card, case. I could easily make a small cluster. In fact I was using small cluster at work in the summer. It has about 3 or 4 to begin with, and I bet the cost about $1500 CAD, but I'm pretty confident they were less. They were just 1.2 GHz Athlons. We ended up dismantling it (reducing it to only 2 units!) but still, it is cheap. I just don't see how they make that claim.

    1. Re:Bull by CanadaDave · · Score: 2

      Shit, am I on crack? They never claimed to have the cheapest Beowulf cluster... I'm sorry, I really must have been on crack. I read the website then came back to ./, started to write, got distracted with something else, and then must have forgotten the exact details. Ignore post, and mod down, please.

    2. Re:Bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, lay off the crack.

  24. And 499 more by USC-MBA · · Score: 1
    This computer can be found along with the other 499 fastest supercomputers on the to500.org website. Looks like Los Alamos has 2 out of the top 3 fastest.

    I'd like to say USC has a machine in the top 100, but we don't. :(

  25. Radioactive Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can they be powered by nuclear power derrived from the trees they're warning people about?

  26. Perhaps... by wd123 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Instead of astrophysics work they should use it to find all their radioactive trees.

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    1. Re:Perhaps... by IndoorCat · · Score: 1

      Radioactive tree? All I wanted was sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!

  27. I still think that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still think that my 60Mhz 8mb/Ram 800mb/HD is "cooler" you insensetive clod.

    1. Re:I still think that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4.77Mhz 8088 baby rock my cool bad ass

  28. Sing it, baby. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so, SO sorry for this, in advance.
    Sung to John Lennon's "Imagine":

    Imagine this great cluster,
    Searching the 'net for porn.

    You may say I'm a pervert,
    But I'm not the only one.
    I found that pic on your hard drive, of CowboyNeal's naked bum.

  29. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by Roosey · · Score: 2

    (create much less heat than bulky p4's! I'm sure that lab is hotter than an african rainforest)

    So much for it being the coolest cluster ever.

  30. Is it radioactive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two LANL postings in a row.. are we up for a third?

    "New LANL Beowulf cluster found radioactive; gained consciousness and posted to slashdot announcing its existance."

    -M

  31. Whoah.. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "According to their website it's 85th fastest computer in the world. Seems cool and promising as it made with cheap components and off the shelf hardware."

    I'm guessing the story submitters ran out of anti-MS ammo tonight. Heh.

    It's satire, laugh.

    1. Re:Whoah.. by enneff · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought satire was supposed to be funny.

    2. Re:Whoah.. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I thought satire was supposed to be funny."

      That misperception disappeared when SNL inexplicably rose to popularity.

    3. Re:Whoah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean 'misconception'.

    4. Re:Whoah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, technically, satire is just supposed to make the subject looks stupid, or bafoon-like. It doesn't have to be funny, but its better when it is.

    5. Re:Whoah.. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2
      "You mean 'misconception'."

      No, I meant misperception:

      misperceive P Pronunciation Key (mspr-sv)
      tr.v. misperceived, misperceiving, misperceives

      To perceive incorrectly; misunderstand


      I had no intention of implying that he had ever concieved.
    6. Re:Whoah.. by machine+of+god · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I take my MS bashing very seriously.

  32. Reminds me of.... by Drakonite · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Reminds me of when a computer company did the same thing... I think it was HP but I could be wrong.

    Although if I recall correctly they ended up quite a bit higher on list.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of.... by OneFix · · Score: 1

      Yes...here is a pretty good start for a list of mostly Linux clusters...

      You might have been thinking of #8...although #5 beats it...and it was done by Linux NetworX...The related /. story is here.

      However, check out #80 :)

      Self-made
      Pentium 4 Xeon Cluster
      2.2/2.4/2.8 GHz - Giganet -
      MSWindows/ 360


      There doesn't seem to be any other Windoze boxen on the list...wonder what is the story of this cluster...I wonder if M$ bought themselves a cluster :)

    2. Re:Reminds me of.... by Drakonite · · Score: 1
      I tried looking there earlier and couldn't find it... I did find the original artical talking about the cluster and it was indeed HP.

      256 computers costing a total of $210,000 (including networking equipment I assume) making them easily less than $1k a piece.

      I did a search on top500.org for a 256 processor HP supercomputer, and it was ranked 61st. So as long as I picked the right one... HP did it first, as cheap (cheaper?), fewer nodes, and placed higher on the list.

      As nice as it is that there is a new cluster on the list, I hardly see it as the "coolest cluster" when there is a cheaper and faster cluster that's been around longer that was also built completely of "off-the-shelf" parts... (and yes, it does run linux....)

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      Shoot Pixels, Not People!
  33. LinuxBIOS support for Shuttle XPC SS51G? by kingos · · Score: 1

    Since these are the guys that did most of the original work on LinuxBIOS, does that mean that they have ported linuxbios to the Shuttle XPC SS51G motherboard? I would love a P4 2.5GHz PC that boots into linux in about 3 seconds!

  34. Like all government news... by dethl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last modified: November 15, 2002

    We are the last to know about it :P

    --
    "Some fight for law. Some fight for justice. What will you fight for? One day, you will see."
  35. yank the HDDs.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    ... and boot off LTSP.. Saves power, less noise, easier to manage, etc etc ;)

    1. Re:yank the HDDs.... by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 1

      with all the harddrivers running at 80gig, im sure theyre used for more than booting the operating system. the cool thing about a cluster of regular computers is that you can use them for more than just processing, such as holding massive amounts of pr0n or a wicked LAN party. im sure there is more legitimate uses, but you get my point.

  36. Hmm... by lvdrproject · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Create Beowulf cluster
    2. ???
    3. SLASHDOT!

    Laugh, it's a joke.

    :Lav

    1. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phase 2: Profit!!!

      erm...

  37. cheap clusters can also be bad by Stanley+Feinbaum · · Score: 2, Funny

    As much as I am a fan of cheap 'beowulf' custers, there is a certain issue which troubles me. In this case, the cluster in question cost less than 300,000$, a healthy sum, but much less than a large cray or sgi server would cost. Such clusters can be used for an array of activities, such as nucular bomb tests (one of the driving forces in pushing supercomputer technology is nucular weapons), or cracking encryption.

    Supercomputers are controlled by USA export laws, but powerful beowulf clusters can be made by anyone with a reasonable amount of money and knowlage. Since the software is free and of the shelf components can be used... wouldn't it be possible for terrorists to use open-source software to create their own supercomputers to test nucular weapons, crack American law and millitary encryption, ect... ?

    I believe this 'beowulf' techonology, as great as it is, could be possible dangerous to American interests. It is my hope that this software will soon be controlled by the American millitary and not be spread for free because I fear for the safety of my family and country (bless them both) if terrorists have access to supercomputing technology.

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    Stanley Feinbaum, professional journalist and master debater! God bless the USA!

    1. Re:cheap clusters can also be bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is my hope that this software will soon be controlled by the American millitary and not be spread for free because I fear for the safety of my family and country (bless them both) if terrorists have access to supercomputing technology.

      Oh, puhleeez. Wish for something that can actually happen. You don't understand what Open Source really means, do you? It's already out there, man. How can it be ever controlled by the American military when half the developers and users are overseas, in full posession of the source? The horses have left the barn. Close the door and all you do is leave your own people in the black.

    2. Re:cheap clusters can also be bad by lvdrproject · · Score: 1

      I hope sharp sticks will soon be controlled by the American military, because dagnabbit, those terrorists would stab me in the heart FIRST CHANCE THEY GET!

    3. Re:cheap clusters can also be bad by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ladies and gentlemen, we have a replacement for Jon Katz...

      --

      What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?

    4. Re:cheap clusters can also be bad by MWelchUK · · Score: 1

      I would be more concerned that it is easy to get hold if DNA sequences for VERY harmful bacteria on the web - and the tech to produce these things can be bought with near no control. I think anthrax was mentioned of a radio show I heard...

      Ok, iw would require great skill to make, but probably less that a nuclear bomb, and since the raw materails are easy to get (All living things have DNA that could be potentially broken down for parts) then this is more of a threat than a nuclear bomb...

    5. Re:cheap clusters can also be bad by karlm · · Score: 2
      Are you a former lawmaker, or otherwise mentally deficient?

      • The bag is here, the cat is long gone. Taking beauwulf source code off the net is like taking pee out of a pool. (blatantly stolen from News Radio)
      • The physics behind nuclear weapons is well understood and widely published. It took a small town full of geniuses to figure it out the first time, (and determine that it's even possible) but no longer. They also designed a Uranium gun-type weapon and a Plutonium implosion-type weapon. The latter is muchmuch more complicated. Designing a gun-type Uranium weapon is trivial, and anly slightlymore difficult if you're restricted to pen, paper, and sliderule. (Granted I'm an MIT student, so I'm probably overestimating the amount of brain power available to a large terroist organization.) The difficulty lies in the tremendous amount of effort/electrical energy/sapce/time/money required to perform isotope seperation/smuggling without getting caught before you have the chance to detonate the weapon.
      • Cracking bulk ciphers is basically infinately parallelizable and does not require much communication bandwitdth at all. Beauwulf clusters don't gain you much. You'd get better performance running your cracking programs over V2OS, FreeDOS, or some other ultra-lightweight OS.
      • Bin Laden et al. are very smart. Sure they have some grandios long-term plans about getting the US out of Saudi Arabia, creatig an Islamic super-state, and acquiring a fission bomb. However, they are very smart and efficient. They use low-infrastructure, reliable attacks for the most part. Planes filled with fuel, boats filled with conventional explosives, and dirty bombs are all very simple and can be potentially acquired by a single autonomous cell. I'd be much more worried about poison gas attacks and coordinated massively distributed firebomb attacks. These are the kind of low-tech high-casualty attacks at thier disposal right now.
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    6. Re:cheap clusters can also be bad by tobis · · Score: 1

      In case you weren't joking: I wouldn't worry to much about the terrorist's secret nuclear program, if i were me. Fast computers are used to help design "better" nuclear weapons,that is, to tweak the output so that a greater proportion of the weapons yield is expressed as EMP, or gamma radiation, or explosive force, and so on. They aren't needed at all to build a basic device. And military encryption, you shouldn't be to concerned about either. you'll note that $300K gets you 85th on the list... but the NSA are't really considered to be big publicity hounds. If I were you, I'd worry about more substantial dangers to our american way of life. Like people who reflexively argue for government control over anything that they don't understand.

  38. RIGHT.... by kyletinsley · · Score: 1

    Yeah, like a story about a Beowulf cluster is going to end all the jokes about Beowulf clusters... If that were true, a story like this one mentioning "profit" would have ended all the Step: 1,2,3 jokes long ago.

    If anything, I think it will have the reverse effect... bringing Beowulf clusters back into everyone's mind will lead us to a dawn of a new Beowulf cluster joke Era... This is merely the beginning!

    Nice try at reverse psychology though...

    1. Re:RIGHT.... by kaxman · · Score: 0

      Dude, we're talking about a Beowulf claster here. You can make a cluster of clasters, of that I'm certain.

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      Everyone on slashdot has a journal.
  39. Did anyone else notice ? by Monkelectric · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    That the JPEG on the front page is 1.1 megs?! some of my websites are smaller then 1 meg!

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    Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    1. Re:Did anyone else notice ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people probably didn't notice, given that 106996 bytes is actually only 0.11MB, roughly.

      --
      ac.uk.

    2. Re:Did anyone else notice ? by Monkelectric · · Score: 2
      Most people probably didn't notice, given that 106996 bytes is actually only 0.11MB, roughly.

      I dont know what you downloaded, but the jpeg "ss1" on the front page is 1,160,721 bytes ... or 1.10MB

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      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    3. Re:Did anyone else notice ? by hondo_san · · Score: 1

      In faux-Chinese: Perhaps that is the intent, grasshopper.

  40. Or.... by raehl · · Score: 5, Funny

    They could spend their $3k on something actually needed by 100 people thinking about spending $3k to share a spot on a fastest computers list.

    Like a prosititute.

    You go to your high school reunion, what's, more impressive, the "Hugh Hefner" 100 $3k prostitutes that come with you, or the "Bill Gates" story about the 300 1k computers in your mom's basement?

    1. Re:Or.... by GimmeFuel · · Score: 1
      Like a prosititute.

      Who needs hookers when you have an such an awesome pick-up line?
      "Hey baby, I have a 1/100th share in the 86th most powerful computer in the world."

    2. Re:Or.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it would be the 84th most powerful computer in the world...

    3. Re:Or.... by sms · · Score: 1

      That's one that I haven't heard before: a beowulf cluster of prostitutes.

    4. Re:Or.... by tobis · · Score: 1

      a cluster what?

  41. Beowulf by yamcha666 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I don't know about you cluster folks, but these new Beowulf clasters I heard about sound pretty cool.

    A Beowulf cluster of those Beowulf clasters would be sweet!

  42. you have got to be kidding me by ebbv · · Score: 0


    you are a gigantic fucking tool.

    --

    Think different? I'd be happy if most people would just think...
    1. Re:you have got to be kidding me by F2F · · Score: 2

      he's one of the backseat drivers -- never so much as gotten close to a supercomputer and he thinks he knows how to make one...

  43. What to do with it... by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

    Plan to take over the world, oh wait, we have homeland secutity now. Damn.

    --
    Heroscape, it's like legos combined with anachronistic wargames.
    1. Re:What to do with it... by MWelchUK · · Score: 1

      ..put the the computer inside, them what?

      Arse - No door!

  44. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 2, Funny
    I'm sure that lab is hotter than an african rainforest

    But it's a dry heat.

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    Heroscape, it's like legos combined with anachronistic wargames.
  45. now i'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    after taking your quiz

  46. Awesome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proves the shuttle isn't a novelty PC, it's an innovative, competitive PC form factor.

    Stuff like this really appeases the Apple lover in me.

  47. Coolest Cluster? by cliffy2000 · · Score: 0

    You are clearly mistaken. The coolest cluster undoubtedly lies in Honey Nut Cheerios® with that delicious cluster of wheat, honey and the all natural taste of nuts! Now, THAT's cool. Now, I don't know this new-fangled "Beowulf" cereal, but I'm sure it can't be the old-fashioned taste of Cheerios!

  48. TROLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stanley Feinbaum is a troll. my guess is that he is actually PhysicsGenius, but i cnat prove that. mod accordingly.

  49. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I do not believe in trolling, if you are a troll please do not respond to my posts.

    How can you have that as your sig when your entire post was one big troll against Intel, Maxtor, and DDR SDRAM? It's not ironic, it's hypocritical.

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    My other first post is car post.
  50. 85th Fastest in the World? by serutan · · Score: 4, Funny

    The photo alone is worth surfing over to the article. As Socrates once said, "what a rack!"

    But now that they've got the 85th fastest computer, what will they have to do to maintain that coveted position? I imagine the people who are running 86th are rushing out to buy more nodes. My own computer is the world's 27,385,422nd fastest, and I'm battling like crazy to get to 27,385,421. :-)

    1. Re:85th Fastest in the World? by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 3, Funny
      My own computer is the world's 27,385,422nd fastest, and I'm battling like crazy to get to 27,385,421.

      I'm not going down without a fight.

      --
      Heroscape, it's like legos combined with anachronistic wargames.
    2. Re:85th Fastest in the World? by Gumber · · Score: 2

      As Socrates once said, "what a rack!"

      Socrates? Hmmmm.

  51. The *real* reason for building this by GimmeFuel · · Score: 2, Funny

    Astrophysics? Pfft! How bout a LAN party? Does 10 billion fps on UT2003 sound good?

  52. and ? what's the achievement in that ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can build a AMD2Ghz with 1G of ram for less than 500$ (granted, only 20G if HD, and 100BT, but with 500$, you can buy a 300$ GB card, and a 200$ 160G+ HD.

    Now, what i'm interested in, is this:

    How much for the network equipment to connect all that crap together..

    (i have to admit the wall looks awefully good.)

  53. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Raise your hand if you've put together a 300-node cluster before. I'm sure the guys at LANL, one of the most respected technical supercomputing labs in the world, have done the price/performance/stability trade-off thing.

    An armchair critic on slashdot doesnt hold much weight compared to the site that has 2 of the top 5 supercomputer clusters.

  54. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    So much misinformed opinion in one post...
    The normal P4 cpu was not meant for long computational work, it was meant for desktop mulimedia use. If you want cpu that can handle brutal computation work over a long period it would be wiser to use...

    The P4 has issues when you can't keep the pipeline full and with some stalling on branch misprediction. These PCs will be running simulations, meaning brutal amounts of linear algebra for the most part, most likely only a thread or two of computations per machine. You're certainly not going to get much performance out of the Crusoe.
    333mhz ram is still relatively untested, 266mhz ddr would have been a wiser choice. Servers need...

    What servers need is utterly irrelevent. They didn't set this thing up to serve applets. What a computational system like this needs is fast access to data. They aren't playing Quake, but they do want the most performance they can get for cheap. I'm assuming they also are using ECC, although getting all of this for under $1k gets tricky. Maybe that explains the Maxtors.
  55. You have to be kidding by thirty6hex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Never forget that the most important part of a Beowulf cluster is that it relies on no single hunk of metal in its operation. A cluster is intended to break gracefully. A good RAID-5 solution is the same way, you expect at some point to lose a disk; thus the reason that RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks.

    Also don't forget that you've got 3 years warranty on those Maxtors, and you can just reload the OS on the bare drive from a copy of one of the other 280 someodd. Sure they suck, but are you really ever even using them? I bet they just got a special on a whole box of em and 80's were all there were.

    RAM is exactly where these computers need in large, fast quantities. RDRAM, while arguably faster, is a money sucking wench, and 333 is just perfectly fine if you actually do your homework and buy the right chips. Sure, if you go and pick up the deal of the century at the lowest priced vendor online then you can expect to get some odd results. But if you are buying 300 gigs of the stuff you can get a pretty sweet deal out of a reputable manufacturer and get the nice chips to boot. And don't forget that those come with a warranty too; so you just send the dicey ones back....who cares if you lose a few boxes for a day or two?

    It's the coolest because it puts off less heat than most, using the head-pipe feature off the cpus. Run a big HVAC and hook it up to those pipes, and all of a sudden you have A/C cooling directly on your chips, and its more quiet to boot.

    This thing is built out of parts that are in *your* computer. It's built from the parts that are moving the fastest thru the vendors. Every single part of this cluster could be purchased in lot quantities at a very reduced cost due to slowdowns in the last 9 months.

    Not including the network backbone, you can build the very computer they are using for much less than a grand per node and have it rate; I think that was the point and I think that they made it.

    1. Re:You have to be kidding by mackstann · · Score: 1
      It's the coolest because it puts off less heat than most, using the head-pipe feature off the cpus.

      first off, i'm guessing you meant heat pipe, second off, heat != temperature. the cpu may run cooler, but it still puts out the exact same amount of heat.

      Run a big HVAC and hook it up to those pipes, and all of a sudden you have A/C cooling directly on your chips, and its more quiet to boot.

      ok, these arent exactly pvc pipes, they are heatpipes, which are sealed and run up and into a little heatsink. also, even if you could somehow plumb these into some a/c setup, it would not be good. cold+hot == condensation, and we all know how electronics love condensation.

  56. Nobody worded it the way I wanted, so... by Myco · · Score: 2

    Imagine one of these!

  57. Think again - EDA tools prove this wrong by StandardCell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At the semiconductor company where I work, I'm finding most of the EDA tools are being ported from expensive Sun Ultrasparcs to P4/Athlon-based commodity platforms with Linux OSes. And guess what? The processor clock speed has a direct correlation with performance compared to the slow-poke Ultrasparc 3s. You can reach a memory limit for some operations, but tools like Magma and our internal tools that are ported are running at least twice as fast per processor. Particularly with hierarchical designs, the only time the Sun Servers become necessary is for all the back end physical verification, parasitic extraction and signal integrity analysis, where less users are interactively spending their time anyway versus the floorplan/place/route anyway. So, whether I go out and buy an E4500 with 6 processors and 20GB of memory and use LSF, or I buy a dual Xeon 2.4GHz with 4GB of ECC and a Seagate HD, I'm getting a hell of a lot more mileage out of the dual Xeon and a huge cost benefit too for 10% of the entry cost of the Sun.

    Sorry, but commodity PC hardware really does have a place in real computational work on the design of multimillion-gate standard-cell ASICs like the ones going into the latest Nvidia and ATI cards. The Suns are, for now, necessary, but it won't be long until commodity hardware usurps its place for a fraction of their overpriced niche monopoly in EDA tools.

  58. Hold on a minute... by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

    You might want to read it again. It said each node was LESS than $1000USD. Didn't specify how much. Based on info from price watch I'd say they got a rippin' deal. I didn't use a calculator, but they saved about 150 per node if they paid exactly 1000 for those parts. Another thing you need to consider...size does matter. That is a quality that is hard to quantify. It took about have the space of a cluster with less than half as many nodes.

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  59. OR what plnet are you from? by Ratso+Baggins · · Score: 1
    Dude you do too much one handed browsing...

    Each of the $3K hookers are surely to be better in reality than anything you could imagine in your WILDEST fantasies. $3K is one hell of a hooker... She could make you forget computers even exist!!!

    AND THERE'S 100 OF THEM!!!

    *SMiLE*

    "Hand me that jar of mayonaise, I'm goin' in!"

    --

    --
    "we live in a post-ideological world..." - Billy Bragg.

  60. Re:Using Shuttle XPC SS51Gs no less... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 2

    Hey, what's with the copy-pasting of my comment? (See above).

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  61. the sad thing is ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... once people come to ship it to china (i mean, recycle it), the lab will have to release a press release that the machines are actually radioactive, and shouldn't be cut down, er, i mean used.

  62. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by josh+crawley · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ---How can you have that as your sig when your entire post was one big troll against Intel, Maxtor, and DDR SDRAM? It's not ironic, it's hypocritical.

    Turn off every SIG.

  63. Leaf me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    out of it...

  64. Another......... by Sex_On_The_Beach · · Score: 0

    ..fucking lame retarded beowulf cluster joke.

  65. Imagine.. by Regul8or · · Score: 1

    Imagine that everyone stop saying, "Imagine a beowulf cluster." just to sound cool and hip because we all know that you don't actually understand what one is.

  66. Imagine... by Stalyn · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    my dick inside your girlfriend. Which would only exist in the realm of imagination since no one here has girlfriends.

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    The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
  67. imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    slashdot filtering out any post with the word "beowulf" in it to mod to -1. while we're at it any post wtih "first post" or "version 3.1".... then we'd be good to go

    -1 : troll

    better a/c this one

  68. Picture this... by saskboy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    A cluster of /. trolls all wetting themselves with excitement whey they loaded slashdot, and saw this story.

    Now imagine a cluster of Beowulfs, electrocuting those trolls.

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  69. MOD PARENT UP (+5 Insightful) by Regul8or · · Score: 1

    Best idea I've heard in a while.

  70. Use as web server? by TiMac · · Score: 1
    Wow...two Slashdot stories in a row pointing at lanl.gov

    They are getting double slashdotted! ...one more link and they might need this cluster serving their pages up! :)

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  71. Ahh, Comic Book guy by jkitchel · · Score: 2

    Since the headline reminds me of the Comic Book Guy, I will dedicate this post to him. Besides, if this cluster, supercomputer, beo thingy is only 85th fastest in the world, you would think that they would use it to figure out the Comic Book Guy's rating scale (or something of equal importance) as opposed to some physics mumbo jumbo.

    An excerpt:

    [BABF01] Treehouse of Horror X: Desperately Xeeking Xena

    (The Collector, slowly, strikes a dramatic pose)

    Collector(CBG): Lucite hardening ... must end life in classic Lorne Greene pose from "Battlestar Galactica." Best ... death ... ever!

    1. Re:Ahh, Comic Book guy by Stalyn · · Score: 1

      Nerdiest reply ever.

      (is nerdiest a word?)

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      The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
    2. Re:Ahh, Comic Book guy by jkitchel · · Score: 1

      As a former jock, I take that as a compliment. Is it so wrong that every time I read or hear the word "ever" that the little voice in my head automatically changes to the Comic Book Guy's?

      I'll agree that "nerdiest" is a word if you agree that everyone should precede the word "ever" with "..." thus informing the reader to pause (for dramatic affect) and pay homage to the Comic Book Guy (when necessary or intended).

  72. dumb question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but can someone describe what a gigaflop is?

    1. Re:dumb question... by atarione · · Score: 1

      dumb answer http://www.google.com/search?q=gigaflop+&btnG=Goog le+Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT F-8 ~~~~ As a measure of computer speed, a gigaflop is a billion floating-point operations per second (FLOPS). ~~~~~~ ~~~ FLOPS The term you searched for is being presented by search390.com, a TechTarget site for 390 professionals. In computers, FLOPS are floating-point operations per second. Floating-point is, according to IBM, "a method of encoding real numbers within the limits of finite precision available on computers." Using floating-point encoding, extremely long numbers can be handled relatively easily. A floating-point number is expressed as a basic number or mantissa, an exponent, and a number base or radix (which is often assumed). The number base is usually ten but may also be 2. Floating-point operations require computers with floating-point registers. The computation of floating-point numbers is often required in scientific or real-time processing applications and FLOPS is a common measure for any computer that runs these applications. In larger computers and parallel processing, computer operations can be measured in megaflops, gigaflops, and teraflops. Some computer scientists have at least begun to think about petaflops. Last updated on: Jan 15, 2002 ~~~~

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  73. Yes! by Konster · · Score: 2, Funny

    It must be running the website, too. It hasn't been /.ed yet.

  74. Why use hardrives in each node? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Why not just have one server for
    storage? Seems like a waste of power.

    1. Re:Why use hardrives in each node? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wondered this too but I suppose to could be used for swap.
      Also drives are so cheap that probably
      the best answer is: why not.

  75. On a by Konster · · Score: 2

    On a side note, what's with the cheapo racks they have em on? This whole thing looks to be one seismic wiggle away from disaster.

    1. Re:On a by Meowing · · Score: 2

      That Nexel/Metro type of racking is a lot sturdier than it looks in the photo. All that open space lets air circulate and reduces the surface area for dust to build. Shelving like that beats finding out that you have just the right amount of rack space for the your new toy but the available holes don't line up.

    2. Re:On a by matt_morgan · · Score: 1

      You can also get pieces to secure nexel/metro shelving to the floor. It won't fall over, although the computers may fall off the rack. You can get little lips or rails, etc., that make that less likely.

      I like nexel shelving relative to racks. I mean, not so much anymore, now that 1U servers are the norm. But my network admin is small, 5' 3" and maybe 100lbs. She can't lift things into the rack and hold them long enough to get the screws in. And I'm much bigger, but I can't get that 150 lb. UPS into the damn rack. But I can easily get it onto the bottom shelf of the nexel wire rack.

      We have a mix of real rack and nexel shelves, and we'll probably start switching over to more real racks. But I don't think I ever want to put a UPS on a rack again, that was the worst experience of my life, next to getting my wisdom teeth pulled and finding I'm allergic to nitrous.

      Matt Morgan
      Manager of Information Systems
      Brooklyn Museum of Art

  76. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God bless you if you think IBM IDE's are more reliable then Maxtor. Or any manufacturer. You're wrong =/

  77. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Maxtor is one of the worst hard drive vendors out there. It would have been wiser to use more reliable drives for cluster work such as seagates or ibm's. I have had the displeasure of using maxtor drives and they never lasted more than a few months."

    cough, coughIBMdeskstar

    Dumb ass.

  78. i think this is supposed to be funny by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 1

    as opposed to being a troll. sarcasim doesnt convey as well in text as it does in speech. i could be wrong, though, but lighten up.

  79. Sure, off the shelve cheap stuff... by dr.Flake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I really like the picture on the sites frontpage.
    i can imagine the small size of the Shuttles being an advantage, not to mention the "coolness" factor looking at it. (i assume the "cool" in the intro refers to emotion and not teperature!!)

    But getting computation done cheap is no longer the challenge. It's getting the data from one node to the other. They still need "custom" expensive equipment for this.

    I see they use 3com gigabit ethernet. having this 300+ gigabit switch capability is not "cheap".

    Until one can buy this kind of networking equipment for really cheap, we shouldn't mention things like "of the shelve Beowulf super computer in the top 100".

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    1. Re:Sure, off the shelve cheap stuff... by tconnors · · Score: 5, Informative

      I really like the picture on the sites frontpage.
      i can imagine the small size of the Shuttles being an advantage, not to mention the "coolness" factor looking at it. (i assume the "cool" in the intro refers to emotion and not teperature!!)

      But getting computation done cheap is no longer the challenge. It's getting the data from one node to the other. They still need "custom" expensive equipment for this.

      I see they use 3com gigabit ethernet. having this 300+ gigabit switch capability is not "cheap".

      Until one can buy this kind of networking equipment for really cheap, we shouldn't mention things like "of the shelve Beowulf super computer in the top 100".


      Up until 3 hours ago, we said we were the only machine in the top500 dedicated solely to astrophysics. Now we are one of 2 :)

      But we use 180 processors, @ 2.15 GHz, and get about 0.90 Gflops/processor, whereas they get about 0.88 gflops/proc, getting us in the top 180th.

      The difference being they have faster memory, and we have a big badass switch. They have two switches, with something like only 10 gigabit between the switches! We have 250gbit within our one switch. a third of our nodes have 2 gigs RAM, and we also have room for upgrade to more nodes on our switch, and they don't. So, in the words of Nelson "Hee haw!" :)

      When they say $1000 per proc, they are not factoriing in their two switches. This will bring the price up to about $500,000, unless someone is donating a switch or 2 :)

      We have about the same cost ratio - something like 250,000 .au dollars for all our procs (and maybe switch - I don't know the details) - half the performance, half the cost.

    2. Re:Sure, off the shelve cheap stuff... by MrNemesis · · Score: 0

      If you're looking for a cheap (but not as good) solution, can't you just use firewire?

      I'm not a networking buff, but couldn't dual 400 Mbps firewire along with Fierhose http://heroinewarrior.com/firehose.php3 also give you a high bandwidth/relatively low latency network?

      Yes, I suppose the 4m limit on firewire would be a problem, but a few dozen firewire hubs is alot cheaper than gigabit ethernet... right?

      ANyone got anny other ideas for cheap high speed networking?

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  80. how about an Ask Slashdot with these guys? by hey · · Score: 2

    I'd ask how hot is the room. The heat pumps move the heat from the CP ... into the room.

  81. Networked Storage by MattBurke · · Score: 1

    What nobody's spotted so far is you have 294 boxes each with 80GB drives. That works out to a nice little side effect to the tune of around 20TBytes of networked storage. NICE! :)

  82. Do you need a hard drive in each node? by Xenolith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I have never built a cluster before.

    What is the advantage of having a hard drive in each node. Can't you boot each node off of a networked image and load the OS and whatever "work" into memory.

    thanks

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    1. Re:Do you need a hard drive in each node? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the nature of the simulation. Each node would typically work on it's own set of data, which is stored locally until it is needed elsewhere.

      For instance: You could use this to render Doom 3 so you actually get decent framerates. Each box would have a copy of the software, and would render a portion of the screen. That screen data exists on the machine that created it from the physics model, texture data, and model data. Now you just take all those pieces and put them on one machine that blits them to the screen.

      Realistically, you probably wouldn't do this, it creates a big bottleneck at the viewing machine. I don't know how the latency of the network would affect this. Depends on what you use as the backbone. But when they use these for movie rendering, you aren't talking about realtime generation, so each machine just holds it's rendered part until it is needed.

      Speaking of which, I have a dual Alpha machine that acts as my router/server. It's cycles are going to waste though, I don't know what to run on it, aside from Icecast and Samba, which I feel is a waste of it's dual 533mhz processors. (remember, these are alpha chips, not Pentium 2/3, so they fly on floating point calculations, and crawl for integer).

      If you had access to a machine with more than decent (ie better than your desktop) floating point calculations, what would you run on it?

      It gets ~50 fps in Quakeforge in software mode :) /me wishes he had 300 80G drives.

    2. Re:Do you need a hard drive in each node? by ahaning · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I have never built a cluster before.

      You are in good company here on Slashdot.

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    3. Re:Do you need a hard drive in each node? by jstott · · Score: 1
      What is the advantage of having a hard drive in each node. Can't you boot each node off of a networked image and load the OS and whatever "work" into memory.

      Every byte you pull off the hard drive is one less byte you have to suck over the network. Depending on the type of simulation they're running, a file cache might be a useful resource. Also, for some problems, you can use disk space to get around the 32-bit address space limitations of a PC (yes, this is something I worry about in my own [medical imaging] work). Then there's swap space (slow, but still useful when every megabyte counts). In short, a modest hard drive for each node is used for the exact same things it would be in any other networked PC.

      -JS

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    4. Re:Do you need a hard drive in each node? by MrNemesis · · Score: 0

      In a parallel universe...

      Techy Guys: OK, so we got this budget to build a supercomputer. Here are the specs.

      Accountant: Why does each computer need an individual 80 GB hard drive? Surely, they'll all just need a etworked image to boot off, and say a cheap 5 GB hard drive to se as swap?

      Techy Guys: Bah! There goes our MP3 RAID server.

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  83. Why Beowulf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one question. What's the advantage of using a beowulf cluster in a situation like this. I mean, sure it looks cool, but, wouldn't it be a lot better to use a blade server system. It seems that blades are a hell of a lot more reliable and economical, if you look at the long term. It's not like the Los Alamos National Laboratory doesn't have alot of money. Why did they choose shuttle mini computers, instead of something a little more suited for the purpose.

    1. Re:Why Beowulf? by tkg · · Score: 1

      I mean, sure it looks cool, but, wouldn't it be a lot better to use a blade server system.

      They have. The Green Destiny machine uses 240 transmeta server blades.

  84. Slashdot culture archive by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has anyone ever written a Slashdot culture archive? Slashdot has a pretty rich and entertaining culture, and I hate to see things like Natalie Portman, Beowulf, and goats.cx...well, maybe not goats.cx....vanish forgotten into the mists of time. I've tremendously enjoyed cultural archives of USENET, where various trends or customs were explained, with links to example text.

    I'd love to read something like this, if anyone ever gets around to setting up a website to archive these.

    It's very difficult to identify trends (like, say, what the meaning of hot grits is) long after the fact -- you're looking at hundreds of thousands of old tech posts. But if someone is thoughtful enough to make a note that this is happening...well, five or ten years from now, it could be quite a fun to read little work.

  85. What would you use one for? by caluml · · Score: 2

    Seriously, assuming that you had the resources to build a large cluster, what would you do with it?

    And I'm hoping I won't get the obligatory "pr0n collection" jokes.

    1. Re:What would you use one for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      render 3D graphics

      try out CAD simulations for hobby RC stuff

      etc.

      There's lots of stuff I would do with it
      send me the $330k + monthly electricity bill cost
      (must be over $10k a month)

    2. Re:What would you use one for? by dsoltesz · · Score: 2

      PVM-Pov is probably the first thing I'd put on it. Then I'd probably hack around with image processing experiments - and (of course) data mining my erotica library and turning my pr0n collection into a massively parallel screensaver...

    3. Re:What would you use one for? by Matt_B_T · · Score: 1

      Any modelling of industrial processes - generally relatively simple iterative claculations, but huge numbers of them.

  86. looks cool, but is this really cheap??? by tmuka · · Score: 1

    it seems to me like one could build a much cheaper cluster from parts... i do see a definate advantage however; in 6 months when they're only 90th place on the list of fastest computers and they decide to sell each individual machine on ebay :)

    1. Re:looks cool, but is this really cheap??? by MattBurke · · Score: 1

      don't forget these things are about 30-40% the size of a 'normal' pc - the money they save by only requiring half the shelving space easily pays for it

  87. Last Post.... by pheph · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    1.) Run astrophysics calculations
    2.) ???
    3.) Profit!

    Good night...

    1. Re:Last Post.... by saskboy · · Score: 2

      hey dude, that is cool, and soooooo true.
      Until I press Submit that is.

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  88. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by jericho4.0 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    1.Read the sig.
    2.Think about the sig.
    3.Think about what a troll is.
    4.Repeat untill you slap yourself in the forehead. :-)

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  89. cool as in beer by hey · · Score: 1
    Its looks like double meaning of the "cool" in the posting is not getting thru to everyone so we need some new terms. How about:
    • cool as in beer
    • cool as in Clint
  90. Oooh, a cluster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, havn't seen one of these before. Quick, quick, someone tell slashdot about it. It's coming in 85th in the world! Look out, one day we might here about the 8th fast computer in the world. That would have to be 10 times cooler than this one!

  91. Topology? by seanadams.com · · Score: 2

    The network switch is composed of a Foundry FastIron 1500 switch trunked to another FastIron 800 switch, which provides a total of 304 Gigabit Ethernet ports using the 16-port JetCore modules.

    What's the bandwidth of that trunk? Also, what's the capaity of the connections between each 16-port card and the backplane?

    Just curious... suppose all the units on a 16-port card have 1Gbps each, but only 8Gb total to the backplane. Then the backplane, in turn, has only 8Gb to the other switch. These are just made up numbers, but how would beowulf handle it? Can it group jobs requiring higher communication throughput onto the nodes which are closer to eah other? Does it have to be told the topology, or does it figure it out?

    1. Re:Topology? by tconnors · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What's the bandwidth of that trunk? Also, what's the capaity of the connections between each 16-port card and the backplane?

      Just curious... suppose all the units on a 16-port card have 1Gbps each, but only 8Gb total to the backplane. Then the backplane, in turn, has only 8Gb to the other switch. These are just made up numbers, but how would beowulf handle it? Can it group jobs requiring higher communication throughput onto the nodes which are closer to eah other? Does it have to be told the topology, or does it figure it out?


      Sounds like they have 10 ports @ 1Gbit each free, so get about 10Gbit between the switches. When we (position 180 on the latest top500) were investigating thin-tree connections, we thought that we might be able to effectively run one job on a third of the nodes, another on the second third, and miscellaneous jobs on the 3rd (since we have two or 3 researchers who like to use lots of resources, and people like me who only need a single proc at a time). So you just partition the nodes and only allow your mpi jobs to sit on one group at a time.

      Then there are things like openmosix which deal with topology automatically somehow. They will try to calculate the speed of the interconnect and the various nodes' procs (if heterogenous), and work out the distribution in the most efficient way. I am going to try to convince my sysadmin to try out openmosix on the lesser-used nodes of the cluster, because there is a feature of it that I think one of us might like - the combination of memory of the different nodes in one big contigous space, but right now we are busy cleaning up after the upgrade.

    2. Re:Topology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the nature of the simulation, but yes, you can have everything on one level of the tree work on parts of a whole, and hand the results up the tree. Divide and Conquer. ie:

      You want to sort a big list. Use quicksort and chop up the list among the nodes.

      I took a class on this, which I ended up failing for neglecting to write anything. It was still interesting though.

    3. Re:Topology? by congiman · · Score: 1

      The 16 port cards are exactly what you said:
      1 GB each but 8GB to the backplane.

      the port count would probably be something like:

      Blades
      FI1500
      1-2 8 GB Management Blades (8 port fiber cards)
      - Giving redundancy.
      3-15 16 port gig blades with hosts attached. (208 user ports)

      FI800
      1-2 8 GB Management Blades (8 port fiber cards)
      - Giving redundancy
      3-8 16 port gig Blades with hosts attached. (96 User Ports)

      You then can link all of blades 1 and 2 together giving you 2 8GB Trunks., or 16GB of bandwidth between them. The interesting part would be load balancing them (if you needed more than 8GB). IF not you could also add in another downstream switch.

      Another option would be to do something like 10GB Ethernet and trunk them together. This would block on the backplane at ~8GB.

  92. What about the first 84? by roberto0 · · Score: 1

    Where can I find a list of the fastest computers? Is there some sort of regulating committee on this? My department just got a 256 node Beowulf cluster. Where does that fit on the list?

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    1. Re:What about the first 84? by shri · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.top500.org/

      (Dammit .. I have to wait 20 seconds before I hit submit!)

  93. How about a network topology diagram? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why didnt these guys post a HOWTO?

    Using Linux and all, yeah we appreciate they posted at least SOME info .. but it would be cool if they gave a little more HOWTO stuff in there.

    Especially how the Foundry stuff is connected, it didnt seem clear to me.

    Also, what kind of software do they ran to manage the cluster environment.

    Enquiring minds want to know.

  94. rats by djupedal · · Score: 2

    So I spend the weekend tweaking my Shuttle w/Mandrake and my G4 w/OS X as a MySQL/PHP/Apache server and slave, and I feel pretty good that I have this tiny little image server straddling two boxes and working away...then this article about 294 Shuttles comes out and I've suddenly got a bad case of cluster envy...rats.

    Kind of like owning a hot rod Pinto (not), and taking heat from your friends until one shows up in the top ten at Daytona... :)

    1. Re:rats by namtog · · Score: 1

      Hey guy, don't feel down. It is a neat clean looking site and it only took me a few seconds to find a picture of your shuttle. I have some plastic cable ties laying about, from the pic I can see you might be a few short. Should I send them to you?

      Thanks for leaving the Gallery link on your pages. Just what I am looking for.

    2. Re:rats by djupedal · · Score: 2

      cable ties :) I ran out about the 5th time I had to redo the cables. I don't go back there anymore, I'm afraid I'd never make it out.

      I think the only thing that will help that rat's nest is an air brush :)

      Yes, Gallery is working good for me. I went thru a 1/2 dozen apps/script sets before I tried Gallery, and it is well above the rest.

  95. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *cough* Hungarian fabbed DeskStar 60/75 GXPs, which are now obsolete and no longer being made, and irrelevant when talking about the quality of disks from any specific manufacturer *cough*

  96. Hmmm..I'll bet they needed this to figure out.... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2

    Hmmm..I'll bet they needed this to figure out how many radioactive trees there are nearby!

  97. Can you imagine.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. world peace?

    Nah, didn't think so.

  98. Threepio is Faggy? by ArcSecond · · Score: 2

    I think you mean "effete". I don't think a translator droid has the equipment for that sort of thing. Must be the English accent. Still, you'd think a geek would cut a droid some slack for not coming off like a storm-trooper....

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  99. Wahaaaa, Now I know where those SS51Gs are by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 2

    How did those bastards manage to get so many SS51Gs, especially as the rest of us are having to wait (probably after that /. article last week).

    1. Re:Wahaaaa, Now I know where those SS51Gs are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This probably is why you have to wait.

  100. Where do yo swap... by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 3, Informative
    Back in the days when I was working with LAVCs (Local Area VAX Clusters) over 10-Mbit Lans, diskless systems were possible but any disk I/O hit the bandwidth of the entire network. Pageing could murder the system. Also for larger clusters, simply loading the system on a number of machines took time as a mass storage server can only serve one system per request.

    Ok, modern LANs, especially this one is a lot faster, but you still don't want to burden your cluster communications bus with disk I/O requests.

    Anyway, that 80 gig Maxtor does not add much to the cost of the node.

    1. Re:Where do yo swap... by Xenolith · · Score: 1

      That makes sense. I'm sure these guys did a bandwidth budget based on the work that they would be doing. If they could of gotten away with a smaller SCSI array of hard-drives at a server, they would of saved a few bucks, probably around $20k. It also would of been more reliable, considering IDE tends to go bad more often than SCSI. I'm sure they took that into account also.

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    2. Re:Where do yo swap... by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 2
      SCSI is nice but you pay a lot extra for it. IDE fails more, but I suspect that a lot of this is connected with overheating. Someone who buys a SCSI drive is likely to put it into a better housing but the usual home box tends to be undercooled. I don't know how this one runs but from what people are saying, it seems to be ok.

      The main problem with file loads over a network is the lack of multicast protocols for file transfer (I know there are ways, but they are experimental).

      Interestingly enough, these boxes also have firewire which can be used as another form of cluster interconnect.

    3. Re:Where do yo swap... by jonbrewer · · Score: 2

      Anyway, that 80 gig Maxtor does not add much to the cost of the node.

      It's not the price of a hard disk in a cluster node that causes the trouble, it's the fact that you now have one more power-drawing, heat-generating, moving part - that's more likely to fail than anything else in the system!

  101. 4 replies beneath your current threshold. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    awww I gota raise my threshold

    wtf

  102. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by kasperd · · Score: 2

    It would have been wiser to use more reliable drives for cluster work such as seagates or ibm's.

    Yes, they should have bought IBM deskstars instead. They are cheap and they know exactly what they are going to get.

    Last year I bought a maxtor harddrive, only thing it ever did for me was crash my BIOS. So I got it replaced with a deskstar, at least I knew that one was going to work. It did.... for half a year. And BTW since then I have only bought seagate drives.

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  103. Re:I doubt this thing will run for long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure what you were doing with your Maxtor drives. I've personally had two 80 GB Maxtor drives in my TiVo, running 24/7, for over a year. At no point is the drive idle, since it constantly buffers a half hour of live TV.

  104. Small... by BrookHarty · · Score: 2

    Looks like they fit 55 shuttles per rack, so 6 racks of space. Very small in terms of size. My Sun 10K's take up 3 racks each.

    Not sure who makes those plain metal racks, but I picked some up at costco(brown box), and they are sweet. They have big caster wheels so you can get to the cables. I use them in the closet, tv rack, and my server rack.

    Setting up the hardware is easy, I'm curious about the clustering software. Wonder if any 3d rendering packages exist (opensource/free) work on a linux cluster.
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  105. waste by amentia · · Score: 1

    What disturbes me the most about this is that every single one of these mainboards have built-in parts like sound, video and tv-out that are never ever going to be used.

    Well, unless they send'em to me when they're finished.

  106. Re:Hmmm..I'll bet they needed this to figure out.. by the_pooh_experience · · Score: 1

    \begin{rumor}
    I actually heard that when a section of los-alamos became contaminated beyond "healthy" doses, they level it and build a public park and/or a hotel. The thinking is that people spending only a few hours are not at risk. I guess no one has thought about the hotel employees...
    \end{rumor}

  107. Should of.... by axehind · · Score: 1

    used openMosix instead. Better performance.

  108. So M$ FUD partisans going bored? by Ektanoor · · Score: 2

    So let's have some flame here...

    When it will be the time M$ reaches the top 500 on supercomputing? Linux has been for long there. And it is getting nearer and nearer the first places. However, till now, Redmond couldn't manage to gather even a humble supercomputer made of crappy Windows. What is strangeas there are libraries for parallel computing on Windows.

    So it seems that Windows is not ready for the bleeding edge... And no one knows when it will be...

    1. Re:So M$ FUD partisans going bored? by dohcvtec · · Score: 2

      Good point; MCSEs always boast of Windows' clustering ability (needed for reliability more than anything,) although IIRC it's more high-availability clustering than parallel computational clustering. That said, as highly as MS touts Windows Datacenter server, it's surprising (well, OK not really) that a system running Datacenter Server hasn't even cracked the top 500.

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  109. Jabberwocky cluster? by sporty · · Score: 2

    Imagine a raven-cluster of these.. er.. uh.. imagine a rhyme-of-the-ancient-mariner-cluster of these.

    Take all of our fun away by using a beowulf cluster... damned scientists. Everything else just sounds lame.

    The-tyger-cluster? Sounds more like some sorta lame attack. Bah, ferget it.

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  110. Of course its cheap, by hovik · · Score: 1

    they use ethernet. Ethernet latency is horrible. At best 40 microsec vs 5 microsec with Dolphin. Costs for Dolphin setup is about 10x compared to a ethernet solution.

  111. No it's ok. by Kibo · · Score: 1

    He used un-modded xbox for extra evil, but he can only run the simulations for 3 to 4 hours at a time before he has to take a break.

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  112. 1. Xbox's 2. ??? 3. Profits!! by Kibo · · Score: 2

    When xbox live goes on line and MS secretly moves forward with phase 2, harvesting 5 to 10% of cpu cycles of their subscribers, which they then sell.

    Yeah, I know it's not true, but it definately seems like it might have been a good idea.

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  113. Seymour by Meditating_Guru · · Score: 1

    Yeah really snappy....only 400 grandish from a supercomputer. These things are a bargain.

    I'm reminded of Seymore Crays thoughts on clusters.

    quote.
    "If you were plowing a field, which would you rather use? Two strong oxen or 1024 chickens?"

  114. I can't believe no one's mentioned this yet by The+Scooter+King · · Score: 1
    The Stone Soupercomputer

    Cheap is cool, small is cool, A supercomputer for nothing, that's really cool.

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  115. Good and Good Again by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    I've followed Mike Warren's earlier Linux clusters with interest: Loki (x86), mid-90's, and Avalon (Alpha) a few years ago.

    The free software and low cost supercomputer are not so much news anymore since every intelligent consumer of compute cycles has at least one of these clusters available. No one has to "imagine" them anymore; they are real and commonplace.

    What's a nice development here is that the Los Alamos team has not only brought down the ratio of

    $/FLOP
    but they've started looking to bring down the ratio of
    Watt/FLOP
    as well.

    It represents an uncharastically appropriate use of resources at the Department of Energy and it also helps point the way for businesses looking to further minimize operational costs of racks of computers in air-conditioned rooms.

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    1. Re:Good and Good Again by tkg · · Score: 1

      The Watt/FLOP issue has been impressively addressed by the Green Destiny machine at LANL. You can read about it here. They have greatly reduced power requirements for cooling by using Transmeta's Crusoe blades. The machine sits in an unairconditioned warehouse.

  116. SiS involvement by DeathPenguin · · Score: 1

    Way to go!

    I'm curious to know what SiS's involvement was in this project, seeing as to how all those nodes use SiS chipsets.

  117. Why Mini PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have used RLX Blade servers, they could have fit the whole thing on 2 racks with 336 blades in each.

  118. That cheap? by miltimj · · Score: 1

    built a cheap (less than $1k per unit) 294-unit Beowulf claster

    So all I have to do is sell my house, truck, car, computers, tv, piano, and (most) clothes, and I can build this?!?

    Umm.. I'll be right back.. gotta call my wife..

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  119. blah blah blah by fizban · · Score: 2

    Wonder what a Beowulf cluster of these things would be like...

    hahaha, I'm so funny. Laugh at my stupid played-out beowulf cluster joke...

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  120. Yes by Lxy · · Score: 2

    But does it run on radioactive trees?

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  121. Imagine if.. by RobPiano · · Score: 2

    A company made boxes designed to be cheap beowolf components. You could get very cheap, very cool boxes, running in a small space, and have only the min essenetials for clustering.

    Could be really useful for research with limited initial funding.

    -Rob

  122. Power by aliusblank · · Score: 1

    As older clusters become obsolete when does the price/performance ratio become such that the computational power of the machines is worth less than the power required to run them? Is this a signifigant problem?

  123. ACK! by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

    "294-unit Beowulf claster..."

    GAHH! Finally a story where the beowolf cluster is an actual part of the story and you misspell it!

  124. There are not alone - 521 unit cluster by majland · · Score: 1

    Have a look here: http://www.dcsc.sdu.dk/index.php?id=1

    Conceptual overview
    512x computing nodes
    25x 24-port fast ethernet switches with gigabit ethernet uplink
    1 30-port gigabit ethernet switch
    4 front-end machines
    1 server
    2 disk systems with each 1.56 TB capacity
    1 firewall
    1 UPS
    Hardware
    Computing nodes and front-end machines
    HP EVO 510, 2.0 GHz, .13ì, i845G, 400 MHz FSB, 1 GB, 40 GB
    Switches
    HP ProCurve switch 2324
    HP ProCurve 4108gl modular switch with 5 HP Procurve 100/1000T gl modules
    Server
    HP Proliant ML530g2 with 2x 2.4 GHz Xeon and 2 GB DDRAM
    Disk systems
    Zero-D X3i IDE-SCSI with 1.875 TB raw disk capacity.
    Maxtor D540X-4G (160 GB UltraATA-133 5400 rpm) The 12 disks are configured in one fault tolerant RAID-5 setup with one hot-spare disk.

  125. Q:diskless (no hd/no cd/no floppy) cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the cost if each of the 294 nodes doesn't have a cd, doesn't have a floppy, and doesn't have a hard disk?

    Wouldn't that mean you could get the same raw cpu power with 1/2 the cost?

  126. best mo-board in a Beowulf cluster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what would be the best motherboard to use to optimize a Beowulf installation. Processor, memory, bios, n/s bridge, 1000 bt interface. What is the footprint for Beowulf in a nominal installation. Could the hard disk be tossed and use a large flash? Currently PC133 memory is dirt cheap - 512MB per board.

    Then what is the best and lowest price way to switch all the nodes together?

  127. Unreal here I come by mprindle · · Score: 1

    Can you imagine playing a game of Unreal Tour, Quake 3, or any of the other games out there?

    DANGGGGG

  128. cluster? by sl+inferis · · Score: 1

    After the obligatory Beowolf cluster reference, couldn't you actually have a cluster of clusters?

  129. What about RAS? by big+tommy · · Score: 1

    What is the uptime of this cluster? 5 9s? Probably not given that if it's using cheap hardware. You get what you pay for.

  130. Coolest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come the headline refers to coolest cluster ever when there is no mention of the temperature? ;)

  131. damn ugly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sure is ugly, its sickening to look at all the dam pc's and all the @#$@ing cables.

    pc (including shuttle case) and g4 clusters look like sh#*!

  132. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    "Multiply in your head" (ordered the compassionate Dr. Adams) "365,365,365,
    365,365,365 by 365,365,365,365,365,365". He [ten-year-old Truman Henry
    Safford] flew around the room like a top, pulled his pantaloons over the
    tops of his boots, bit his hands, rolled his eyes in their sockets, sometimes
    smiling and talking, and then seeming to be in an agony, until, in not more
    than one minute, said he, 133,491,850,208,566,925,016,658,299,941,583,225!"
    An electronic computer might do the job a little faster but it wouldn't be
    as much fun to watch.
    -- James R. Newman, "The World of Mathematics"

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