Just in case this is NOT a joke (I know that idealists like this exist)
Americans spend over 460 BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR just on leisure! This is not necessary!
Compare this to the 168 million dollars the US gave to help fight AIDS in Africa.
Well, firstly, that 460 billion was speant by citizens, and the 168 million is speant by our government.
Secondly, do you realize that if we didn't live in such a way, we wouldn't be giving ANY money to Africa? Our capitalism has given people soft enough lives to care about animals and people in Africa.
I have come to the conclusion that this *is* a joke, but will post it for the sake of those ignorant enough to agree with your joke:)
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This attitude is all over slashdot. It's funny, because I've seen more posts pointing out how Linux is simply catching up than posts about anything else.
It's just like when an MS story comes out, and 20 million people post that "I know I'll get modded down for this because/. is so linux centric".
It almost seems to me that people who post such things are trying to be ``31337'' by ``going against the/. crowd'' even though/. is fairly objective (as long as you read posts of a score that is >= 1)
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Yeah, when I spent hours trying to get two network cards working in an NT 4 box and finally said "screw it" and installed Linux:)
WRT your post, I would have to say that *most* ---(key word) Windows users are not technically inclined, and this is very true. But, what the Linux people fail to understand is that the Windows users who are likely to try Linux are probably technically inclined.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Me too! Big screen TV, comfortable couch, state-of-the-art ASCII graphics. For those who enjoy multiplayer, there is always hunt (again, state-of-the-art ASCII graphics).
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Okay, I know that you're a troll, and I know that I shouldn't be feeding you, but there are people out there who really believe the things that you typed.
Firstly, WRT gui innovation, I would like to know what is innovative about the macos gui, or about windows. I see tabs, buttons, scrollbars, toolbars, lists, trees, text entries. I see a application launcher, an application menu (start menu). Lets see, we have title bars, {close,{max,min}imize} buttons. I would really like to know what is so revolutionary about these guis. And don't say stuff like alpha-blended mouse cursor, or wavy-animated minimize function, or awesome pill button look.
Maybe certain applications utilize a unique gui with revolutional widgets, but as a whole, most of the applications I use on all platforms use basic elements which were around in the 80s.
Now, we've established that the widgets themselves aren't very special, so what about the gui as a whole? The Mac OS filemanager doesn't look revolutionary, the windows one certainly isn't (hasn't changed much, has it).
Please, I beg of you, give me some examples of how the interface one these other platforms wasn't either made in the 80s or ganked from another OS?
BTW the point of this post was not that these other interfaces are bad (OS X makes me want to own a Mac, as I played around w/ a beta of it at the store and it looked pretty sweet (first think I did was open a terminal)), but that just because something doesn't look completely different from everything else doesn't make it bad. I mean, do people bitch that bash resembles other shells too much?
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I agree that the current default GTK+ theme is a little ugly, but you have to understand that GTK was made for the Gimp, and the Gimp was originally written in Motif, so the person in charge of how it looks was probably shooting for something that resembled motif.
Worry not, the new default GTK+ theme will look better, and be more customizable (IE up/down arrows on both sides of a scrollbar w/out using a hack).
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The problem is, when someone says something like that people think you are a Democrat. Though if one were a Clinton-Gore supporting democrat, he couldn't say such a thing w/out being labeled a hypocrate, ergo, you cannot be a democrat, since I put some faith in your ability to reason, and rationalize.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
You must not know what postscript is.... Postscript is ASCII that tells devices like printers and applications where to draw lines put text etc. Now, editing a compicated document w/ postscript is difficult, and I would not suggest that PS become a replacement for.doc since it is difficult, but, it is most certainly editable from any program that can load and save text.
PS is a good "end" format, IE you take docbook and convert it to tex which makes a dvi, which you make into a.ps file, which you put to your printer.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Uhm, buying something from out-of-state is NOT a tax ``loophole''
Secondly, I doubt your local places are losing much business to internet sales, since in gerneral people still prefer buying things at a store. Plus, buying things on the internet helps fund our wonderful postal service (they're good 'cause they're cheap, and fairly fast) sometimes, and helps pay UPS' taxes, which make them hire more ppl which makes said people pay more taxes, etc. Oh, right, but the states want an EXTRA cut, of course they do.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
I tried to set up a Windows NT gateway for someone and tried for HOURS to get two network cards working (a 3com, and a generic ne2k). After countless! reboots, I gave up, installed a copy of 98, and came back the next day and installed linux. Both 98 and Linux worked fine w/ the two network cards, but NT, a ``professional, workstation, server, etc'' OS would not use both cards (I tried switching the slots, everything, to no avail)
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Exactly,
Plus, when Q3 came out for linux, there weren't any good 3d drivers for Nvidia cards and others (this was pre XFree4.0) which I think is probably the BIGGEST reason for Q3 not doing well on linux (I bought the windows version because I knew that it wouldn't run well on my TNT2).
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Exactly. I was going to buy the Linux version, but between the time when the demo came out, and the full release came out, I upgraded to a TNT2 card. This card was NOT supported in linux at the time, so I bought the windows version so that I could play the game.
If Doom3 came out for linux, and it was good, I would buy the linux version over the windows version because the support exists for Linux.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Arch, you're a troll, right? In case you're not, I feel that I should tell you that in your quest to attack Linux and its users and its software, you have become a zealot yourself. Only you're a zealot for Microsoft (I've seen this common theme throughout your posts).
But let me tell you that Linux supports more of my hardware than 2k does (I have a Pinnacle DC10plus which doesn't have drivers for 2k, but DOES work in Linux). Plus, some of us like a command line, and as far as command lines go, 2k's absolutely sucks.
Well, since you don't actually build software on windows, it would be wrong to compare building software daily on linux to when you installed the whole OS. You would have to compare how often you install software, or upgrade software on your system.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
But, in all fairness, the mozilla project isn't just a browser project either, so a comparison wouldn't work too well. Mozilla runs on Win32 and MacOS and possibly others (BeOS, OS/2?). And includes a mailer/news reader, and other features. A better comparison I think, would be nautilus.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Slashdot Mirror
On the GTK+ development mailing list, they said that they were going to change the default theme to be less motif-ish.
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It's used for the buttons and menus in web pages I believe.
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Yeah! I bought one thinking that I could get on the information superhighway with it, but the manual read only of cooking, and bun warming!
:)
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I don't know anything about ISAPI, but from how you describe it (in memory library etc) it sounds like FastCGI (http://www.fastcgi.com/).
:)
I don't know that much about the subject, so don't flame me if I'm wrong
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Just in case this is NOT a joke (I know that idealists like this exist)
:)
Americans spend over 460 BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR just on leisure! This is not necessary!
Compare this to the 168 million dollars the US gave to help fight AIDS in Africa.
Well, firstly, that 460 billion was speant by citizens, and the 168 million is speant by our government.
Secondly, do you realize that if we didn't live in such a way, we wouldn't be giving ANY money to Africa? Our capitalism has given people soft enough lives to care about animals and people in Africa.
I have come to the conclusion that this *is* a joke, but will post it for the sake of those ignorant enough to agree with your joke
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Would you shut the hell up please?
/. is so linux centric".
/. crowd'' even though /. is fairly objective (as long as you read posts of a score that is >= 1)
This attitude is all over slashdot. It's funny, because I've seen more posts pointing out how Linux is simply catching up than posts about anything else.
It's just like when an MS story comes out, and 20 million people post that "I know I'll get modded down for this because
It almost seems to me that people who post such things are trying to be ``31337'' by ``going against the
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
I have GNOME 1.2 installed on my box, and if I wanted to remove it I would just do a:
/usr/local/gnome
rm -rf
R and everything would be gone save home directory settings etc.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Really.
This is such an obvious troll. I'm suprised that slashdotters fell for it (especially with the overwhelming number of trolls on this site).
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"NT == Empty" :)
*sigh* I should have seen that
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
"Ever get that NT feeling?"
:)
Yeah, when I spent hours trying to get two network cards working in an NT 4 box and finally said "screw it" and installed Linux
WRT your post, I would have to say that *most* ---(key word) Windows users are not technically inclined, and this is very true. But, what the Linux people fail to understand is that the Windows users who are likely to try Linux are probably technically inclined.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Monty Python's Flying Circus!
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Me too! Big screen TV, comfortable couch, state-of-the-art ASCII graphics. For those who enjoy multiplayer, there is always hunt (again, state-of-the-art ASCII graphics).
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Okay, I know that you're a troll, and I know that I shouldn't be feeding you, but there are people out there who really believe the things that you typed.
Firstly, WRT gui innovation, I would like to know what is innovative about the macos gui, or about windows. I see tabs, buttons, scrollbars, toolbars, lists, trees, text entries. I see a application launcher, an application menu (start menu). Lets see, we have title bars, {close,{max,min}imize} buttons. I would really like to know what is so revolutionary about these guis. And don't say stuff like alpha-blended mouse cursor, or wavy-animated minimize function, or awesome pill button look.
Maybe certain applications utilize a unique gui with revolutional widgets, but as a whole, most of the applications I use on all platforms use basic elements which were around in the 80s.
Now, we've established that the widgets themselves aren't very special, so what about the gui as a whole? The Mac OS filemanager doesn't look revolutionary, the windows one certainly isn't (hasn't changed much, has it).
Please, I beg of you, give me some examples of how the interface one these other platforms wasn't either made in the 80s or ganked from another OS?
BTW the point of this post was not that these other interfaces are bad (OS X makes me want to own a Mac, as I played around w/ a beta of it at the store and it looked pretty sweet (first think I did was open a terminal)), but that just because something doesn't look completely different from everything else doesn't make it bad. I mean, do people bitch that bash resembles other shells too much?
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
I agree that the current default GTK+ theme is a little ugly, but you have to understand that GTK was made for the Gimp, and the Gimp was originally written in Motif, so the person in charge of how it looks was probably shooting for something that resembled motif.
Worry not, the new default GTK+ theme will look better, and be more customizable (IE up/down arrows on both sides of a scrollbar w/out using a hack).
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Of course! Alan Keyes all the way (2004 baby :))
The problem is, when someone says something like that people think you are a Democrat. Though if one were a Clinton-Gore supporting democrat, he couldn't say such a thing w/out being labeled a hypocrate, ergo, you cannot be a democrat, since I put some faith in your ability to reason, and rationalize.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
And if another human has the intention of killing you, what do you do? Hmmm, maybe the police will protect you (how fast can you dial a phone?).
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
You must not know what postscript is.... Postscript is ASCII that tells devices like printers and applications where to draw lines put text etc. Now, editing a compicated document w/ postscript is difficult, and I would not suggest that PS become a replacement for .doc since it is difficult, but, it is most certainly editable from any program that can load and save text.
.ps file, which you put to your printer.
PS is a good "end" format, IE you take docbook and convert it to tex which makes a dvi, which you make into a
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Uhm, buying something from out-of-state is NOT a tax ``loophole''
Secondly, I doubt your local places are losing much business to internet sales, since in gerneral people still prefer buying things at a store. Plus, buying things on the internet helps fund our wonderful postal service (they're good 'cause they're cheap, and fairly fast) sometimes, and helps pay UPS' taxes, which make them hire more ppl which makes said people pay more taxes, etc. Oh, right, but the states want an EXTRA cut, of course they do.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
LOL!
I tried to set up a Windows NT gateway for someone and tried for HOURS to get two network cards working (a 3com, and a generic ne2k). After countless! reboots, I gave up, installed a copy of 98, and came back the next day and installed linux. Both 98 and Linux worked fine w/ the two network cards, but NT, a ``professional, workstation, server, etc'' OS would not use both cards (I tried switching the slots, everything, to no avail)
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So is emacs :)
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Exactly, Plus, when Q3 came out for linux, there weren't any good 3d drivers for Nvidia cards and others (this was pre XFree4.0) which I think is probably the BIGGEST reason for Q3 not doing well on linux (I bought the windows version because I knew that it wouldn't run well on my TNT2).
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Exactly. I was going to buy the Linux version, but between the time when the demo came out, and the full release came out, I upgraded to a TNT2 card. This card was NOT supported in linux at the time, so I bought the windows version so that I could play the game.
If Doom3 came out for linux, and it was good, I would buy the linux version over the windows version because the support exists for Linux.
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This is true, because since AFCArchvile doesn't need it, NOBODY needs/uses it.
Screw worshiping Linus, I'm getting a new God, and his name is AFCArchvile.
AFCArchvile, do you see any use for Perl, Python, or Ruby? Surely, since as a Computer engineer you won't need those, so why would anyone?
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
Arch, you're a troll, right? In case you're not, I feel that I should tell you that in your quest to attack Linux and its users and its software, you have become a zealot yourself. Only you're a zealot for Microsoft (I've seen this common theme throughout your posts).
But let me tell you that Linux supports more of my hardware than 2k does (I have a Pinnacle DC10plus which doesn't have drivers for 2k, but DOES work in Linux). Plus, some of us like a command line, and as far as command lines go, 2k's absolutely sucks.
Well, since you don't actually build software on windows, it would be wrong to compare building software daily on linux to when you installed the whole OS. You would have to compare how often you install software, or upgrade software on your system.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man
But, in all fairness, the mozilla project isn't just a browser project either, so a comparison wouldn't work too well. Mozilla runs on Win32 and MacOS and possibly others (BeOS, OS/2?). And includes a mailer/news reader, and other features. A better comparison I think, would be nautilus.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not is a wise man