It's hard to read the article considering it's coming from a person/company bringing IE before the European Union "for not supporting web standards" http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/14/192240
Håkon Wium Lie is a deutschbag
I haven't seen anybody break the situation down, as nicely as you have. You should re-post this on some web dev blogs. To seem some of the options available, it seems like a good choice in the end.
A lot of people don't like "doctype switching", and somebody suggested using a meta element to determine which rendering mode to use. No doubt you think that this will be too prone to regressions and incompatibilities with existing documents. So have an "X-Internet-Explorer-Standards: true" HTTP header that can also be put in a meta element. That way, I can update a single configuration file, and invoke the standards mode across all our servers at once, for all our documents. It's also standards-compliant, implementable by people who don't have any control over their server, and will not affect any existing documents, so it's perfectly backwards-compatible. Damn, you predicted this almost 4 years ago.
The reason they are doing this is so they can more aggressively support web standards. Currently they reason they are behind the curve on standards is because they are afraid to break websites written for previous versions. It's a vicious cycle.
With this change it will finally give them the chance to make massive overhauls (much like other browsers already have) to their rendering engine without having to worry about old sites.
Firefox, Opera, Safari don't need to worry about making old sites work because barely anybody uses them. Just think, if nobody used your browser, would you really care if a page from version 1 renders completely different than a page from version 2?
Although this is a great idea there is one flaw...the fact that if no meta tag is used, the browser will revert to IE7 mode. This is a horrible idea.
Average people don't visit the site, but stories posted on their site seem to make it to other sites ALL the time (slashdot, wired etc.) so while we don't visit their site, we still get a lot of the bad news.
It would appear that all you hard workers who claim to have no downtime at work have plenty of time to check up on slashdot considering most of the posts for this thread occurred during work hours.
It seems to me that client side programming is going the way of the dinosaur. Most companies want applications that are web based and don't want to muck with client side programming. You may already have experience with web based programming, but if you don't take a look at that. Also if you choose to look into web based programming spend 25% of your time on design as well.
I am more of a designer myself, and I find that most of the web jobs out there are more developer based, and I think people who are already good programmers should considering doing it on the web.
Has anybody used Wikipedia's normal search on their site. I can never find anything, It's horrible. Yahoo & Google do a much superior job with searches than they do on their own site. With that in mind, it doesn't make much sense for them to development a brand new search engine type thing when their own isn't that good.
This isn't anything ground breaking. Many resturants that I go to with long lines will give customers a small device (similar to a pager) that notifies them when they are first in line (or a table is ready for them). This patent seems to take that idea one step further by allowing you to order and then notifying you when it is ready to pick up.
It's similar to what somebody else pointed out: that they have been ordering pizzas online for a long time and stroll in to pick them up whenever they want.
Why doesn't Opera show how "superior" they are by creating their own OS and bundling Opera with it. Maybe they could complain about Linux bundling Konqeror or Mac bundling Safari.
Two quote a really lame song from Justin Timberlake
"Cry me a river"
This is really good news in my opinion. I have all the episodes downloaded already via bit torrent but for people who don't I think they will take advantage of it. I haven't watched an episode on tv for many seasons now. I would assume that there will be commercials included somehow in these versions. Does anybody have a link to the website they are on or is it not available yet?
What are you talking about, how about listing your personal alternatives to yahoo and why those sites are designed better. While yahoo may not be perfect, I feel that have a great team when it comes to design.
What type of code is this? If it's just html, js, css (basically anything that is downloaded and viewable anyways) I don't think there's much you can do. I recall awhile back on slashdot, a law firm that would sue users just for viewing their code and almost everyone on here laughed and that and posted their code.
You are quite correct on the bias, not just in this article but in most. It will be funny when Linux or Mozilla is a giant monopoly in 10 years and all the fanboys will have to find some other unknown company to worship.
I think the real problem is Google bothers to celebrate anything. Where I work they were considering doing this but I advised against it since the entire calendar is filled with holidays for people from different countries and backgrounds. It's just too hard to make everyone happy. The only way to be fair about it is to not celebrate anything at all.
I'm sure Google will have to fire their sole designer at their company and all their pages will look even worse than they do now (he'll get hired at yahoo! then)
So what would happen if Google pulled out from the Mozilla deal. Would FireFox be as useful as it it now? It seems a bit dangerous to have 90% of your income coming from a single source.
It's funny how policies like this which are presumably trying to stop neo-nazi groups and terrorists ends up making the German government act like the nazis. Ends justify the means?
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It's hard to read the article considering it's coming from a person/company bringing IE before the European Union "for not supporting web standards" http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/14/192240 Håkon Wium Lie is a deutschbag
I haven't seen anybody break the situation down, as nicely as you have. You should re-post this on some web dev blogs. To seem some of the options available, it seems like a good choice in the end.
The reason they are doing this is so they can more aggressively support web standards. Currently they reason they are behind the curve on standards is because they are afraid to break websites written for previous versions. It's a vicious cycle.
With this change it will finally give them the chance to make massive overhauls (much like other browsers already have) to their rendering engine without having to worry about old sites.
Firefox, Opera, Safari don't need to worry about making old sites work because barely anybody uses them. Just think, if nobody used your browser, would you really care if a page from version 1 renders completely different than a page from version 2?
Although this is a great idea there is one flaw...the fact that if no meta tag is used, the browser will revert to IE7 mode. This is a horrible idea.
Sadly they got rid of the inline style atribute i.e. span style="color: blue;" - http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-diff-20080122/#absent-attributes
Average people don't visit the site, but stories posted on their site seem to make it to other sites ALL the time (slashdot, wired etc.) so while we don't visit their site, we still get a lot of the bad news.
It would appear that all you hard workers who claim to have no downtime at work have plenty of time to check up on slashdot considering most of the posts for this thread occurred during work hours.
It seems to me that client side programming is going the way of the dinosaur. Most companies want applications that are web based and don't want to muck with client side programming. You may already have experience with web based programming, but if you don't take a look at that. Also if you choose to look into web based programming spend 25% of your time on design as well. I am more of a designer myself, and I find that most of the web jobs out there are more developer based, and I think people who are already good programmers should considering doing it on the web.
Has anybody used Wikipedia's normal search on their site. I can never find anything, It's horrible. Yahoo & Google do a much superior job with searches than they do on their own site. With that in mind, it doesn't make much sense for them to development a brand new search engine type thing when their own isn't that good.
This sounds like a clear case of facial profiling. Where is the ACLU on this one!
This isn't anything ground breaking. Many resturants that I go to with long lines will give customers a small device (similar to a pager) that notifies them when they are first in line (or a table is ready for them). This patent seems to take that idea one step further by allowing you to order and then notifying you when it is ready to pick up. It's similar to what somebody else pointed out: that they have been ordering pizzas online for a long time and stroll in to pick them up whenever they want.
Uh didn't anyone get the memo with IE7 and how it works with quirks mode/correct mode? It's called a doctype, use it!
Why doesn't Opera show how "superior" they are by creating their own OS and bundling Opera with it. Maybe they could complain about Linux bundling Konqeror or Mac bundling Safari. Two quote a really lame song from Justin Timberlake "Cry me a river"
This is really good news in my opinion. I have all the episodes downloaded already via bit torrent but for people who don't I think they will take advantage of it. I haven't watched an episode on tv for many seasons now. I would assume that there will be commercials included somehow in these versions. Does anybody have a link to the website they are on or is it not available yet?
What are you talking about, how about listing your personal alternatives to yahoo and why those sites are designed better. While yahoo may not be perfect, I feel that have a great team when it comes to design.
What type of code is this? If it's just html, js, css (basically anything that is downloaded and viewable anyways) I don't think there's much you can do. I recall awhile back on slashdot, a law firm that would sue users just for viewing their code and almost everyone on here laughed and that and posted their code.
Here's the url to that:
Law Firm Claims Copyright on View of HTML Source http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/18/2123233
The tabs in yahoo make it much easier to use. I wasn't comparing the "home pages" of them, but rather the app as a whole.
It's funny how you use the word designed rather than developed. The interface (as with most google apps) looks really plain and boring. It looks like a high schooler designed it. Also to counter your annoying url redirect I was redirected here after typing in gmail.com: https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=mail&passive=true&rm=false&continue=http%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2Fmail%2F%3Fui%3Dhtml%26zy%3Dl<mpl=default<mplcache=2 Yahoo, in my opinion is the best online email.
It's about time they fix the memory leakage in Firefox.
You are quite correct on the bias, not just in this article but in most. It will be funny when Linux or Mozilla is a giant monopoly in 10 years and all the fanboys will have to find some other unknown company to worship.
Rather than come up with some long ranting reply how about justing watching this episode of South Park.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Abduction_Is_Not_Funny
Do you care to elaborate more?
I think the real problem is Google bothers to celebrate anything. Where I work they were considering doing this but I advised against it since the entire calendar is filled with holidays for people from different countries and backgrounds. It's just too hard to make everyone happy. The only way to be fair about it is to not celebrate anything at all. I'm sure Google will have to fire their sole designer at their company and all their pages will look even worse than they do now (he'll get hired at yahoo! then)
So what would happen if Google pulled out from the Mozilla deal. Would FireFox be as useful as it it now? It seems a bit dangerous to have 90% of your income coming from a single source.
It's funny how policies like this which are presumably trying to stop neo-nazi groups and terrorists ends up making the German government act like the nazis. Ends justify the means?