"This program is (supposedly) the smallest C program able to print "Hello world.". The compilation itself produces the desired printout and the program need not be actually run."
When is the last time you saw an atheist fly a plane into a sky scraper? Or shoot a doctor dead, because some invisible man in the sky didn't like the LEGAL work the doctor was doing? Have any ministers, reverends or priests (even the PEDO ones) been assaulted by bands of roving atheists? Are atheist groups campaigning en masse to deny rights to homosexuals and legislate bigotry?
It's probably a bit too convenient (and dishonest) to take a "religion" that is widely known to be radical and violent as a prototype for typical religion while ignoring the obvious existence of radical atheists. It's also abundantly clear that there exists people who are not mentally well, both religious and otherwise, and such people are prone to do violent, immoral, and insane things. Ignoring that most people on earth (especially in the U.S.) are religious, a dishonest (or naive) person would extrapolate and conclude that religious people are more prone to violence than atheists, or even that religion causes such violence. You're above such naivety, aren't you?
It's also a clear cheap shot to decree that others are hypocrites when they try and fail to live up to higher standards (or even just different standards) than you yourself willing to accept as providential. But hey, I get it. Playing for the anti-religion crowd is an easy karma boost. To hell with intellectual honesty as long as you get the karma, right?
I don't know of many other institutions that attempt to bully a national government, you know?
Insightful... haha. More like incredibly naive. I don't know of any institutions that do not attempt to bully national governments. I'm exaggerating, but only slightly.
As good as the Linux kernel is, there are viable replacements with arguably better licensing terms. On the other hand, the likes of OpenSSH are so good (and so widely used) that most people couldn't name a single ssh alternative.
How are these clones? The iPad was announced what, 2.5 months ago? Doesn't it take significantly longer than that to engineer, design and develop a device to market?
but here I must disagree. The government doesn't own the country.
The government shouldn't own the country, but in the case of China, they clearly do. A revolution would be required of the Chinese people if there ever comes a time when they want to start owning their country. As it is now, either the Chinese people understand their relationship with their government and aren't upset enough to warrant blood, or the government is succeeding fantastically at keeping over a billion of the world's population terribly ignorant. There doesn't seem much we can do about it either way; I doubt very much that China is concerned about a Google departure, though a liar Li may be.
russia ? russia has NO principles in regard to anything. there is no hypocrisy there.
european countries suck up to china indeed, yet they dont go infesting other countries and turning them upside down for profit like american companies do. hell, they even turned your own country upside down, and you are the people complaining loudest about that.
Wrong, on a few levels. American companies don't turn other countries upside-down. That would be impossible unless the economic structures of other countries are broken to begin with. Also, contrary to popular left-wing propaganda in the US, American companies didn't turn America upside-down either; that chain reaction was started by the government forcing banks to loan money to people who could never hope to pay it back. Thus, Americans are rightly pissed off. We're obviously the loudest about it because it's our problem to fix; it's not really anyone else' business so why would I even expect any other nationals to make any noise at all about it?
no job can be the 'best job ever'. remember this : once you start doing something as job, it starts to be less 'fun' every day on and on, until at one point becoming a mere job itself.
stop and think of the comments if the situation was reversed.
yes thats right, slashdot is as bad as fox news.
More like people are just people. Our experiences give us bias, and there is nobody who can achieve perfect objectivity in every situation. People here have a propensity to cheer for open source software. Through their own experiences, Fox viewers have a different perspective. It's not bad, it's just life. The alternative would be to throw out all emotion and become as the Vulcans. Yes, we're all biased. Yes, we're all emotional. Yes, we're all hypocrites--especially those of us who pretend to have no bias.
Anytime you mention multitasking to an Apple fanboi they come up with 20 reasons why it's a bad idea and wasn't implemented. I'm sure they're just irate about this new feature and will be pissed off to no end that Apple is adding it, right?
Umm, yeah.. Congratulations, you just completely owned that straw man you set up there. It didn't even stand a chance against you!
Now back to reality, most iPhone users I've talked to have admitted that multitasking would be a nice feature and have expressed their opinions that it would probably be added eventually (just like copy and paste was later added). A minority of iPhone users expressed their satisfaction with the current model and wouldn't care to use a multitasking feature if it ever was offered. Personally, I've never met any of your straw men, but I'm willing to wager they're a minority if they exist. Or do I just associate with exceptionally rational people? Probably not...
Apple once sued Microsoft on the theory that Windows infringed on the "look and feel" of Mac OS, so it's not at all surprising they would threaten to do the same to Sun over the look and feel of Looking Glass. It's just Apple being Apple, and Jobs being a dick, as usual.
Apple may be litigious, but your example isn't very apt. Many things involving "look and feel" including trademarks and logos are protected. As far as I know, there was no precedent concerning the protection of graphical user interfaces to any significant extent, so it made good sense for Apple to try it. You've obviously got strong opinions of Apple and Steve Jobs, so I can see how you might have missed this. Forming suspicion and opinions can sometimes lead to pushing objectivity out the door.
I'm offering 10:1 I get modded flamebait for not drinking the Linux Kool-Aid.
You may be new here. You should know that Mac fanbois with modpoints outnumber Linux enthusiasts in articles from the Apple section. Either that, or at least you've been here long enough to have figured out that many moderators still fall for the classic reverse psychology "I know I'm going to get modded down for this, but..." routine.
As for me, I used the term "Mac fanbois" in an Apple article. There's no amount of reverse psychology that can help me now. I might as well go down in flames by pointing out that a surprising number of people with interesting and unique sexual preferences choose Apple products. Oh dear.
My problem with SSDs isn't even the price per GB (which is bad enough). It's the amount of space, period. Currently, on Newegg, their Intel SSDs (I singled out Intel as they reportedly make the best) come in a maximum of 160 GB. That is honestly a pathetic amount of storage. When the drives come in at least 500 GB sizes, then I'll consider them. Not a moment before.
You're doing it wrong. You don't get an SSD for document storage. That's what spinning disks and RAID are for. No, you get an SSD for your root partition including/etc/bin/lib/usr and/var (or C:\windows and C:\program files). You don't really need/home to be fast (although velociraptor drives and RAID are nice), but putting your binaries, config files, and shared program files on SSD is the thing that will give you the biggest performance jump you've had in years (disk access being the bottleneck that it is). Most people can fit their root partition on a cheap 30GB SSD with plenty of room to spare; I'm personally at 13.22GB/29.35GB on an OCZ Vertex 30GB and loving the 10s boots and instant OpenOffice coldstarts. Of course it's better than just fast application launching--programs which load a lot of data (i.e. from/usr/share) are also much quicker.
You obviously have already formed strong opinions, but hopefully you consider these points:
1. It's interesting how people get so fixated on the Mountain Meadows massacre when that pales in comparison to the number of Mormons killed during the extermination order given by Boggs, the Haun's Mill massacre, the evacuation of Far West, and the subsequent push westward. That doesn't at all make Mountain Meadows massacre right, but it does help keep things in perspective.
2. Young did not order the attack but launched an investigation after the massacre. At least Haight and Lee were excommunicated. To use the Mountain Meadows massacre as an example in hopes to prove that Mormons somehow "secretly" endorse murder is desperate or at least naive.
3. The Mormon church does not "hate gays." Individual mormons could hate gays just like some individual evangelicals, Catholics or atheists may, but the Church continues to endorse the idea of loving one's neighbors and enemies. It is true that homosexuality is one of the more grievous sins (punishable by death under the old law), and for that reason gay people must necessarily repent before they be can hold any position of leadership, for example. Given the Mormon view that homosexuality is a sin, what you view as intolerance of the Church would really be the intolerance God has for sin. Of course, the grace of Christ provides everyone the opportunity to repent, so it's not like anyone is excluded. In other words, anyone who doesn't enter the Church does so by choice, not because they were excluded. God Himself will judge all; the Church itself makes no determination of the state of any person's "afterlife." Of course, repentance is literally turning away from sin, and everyone is capable of doing that if they will. Your view of a "tolerant" church without standards where anything and everything goes may make you feel good because it's easy, but I personally am not interested in religion which doesn't push me to be better. Judeo-christianity has always been about taking up one's cross and striving to be better. Christ's preaching of "repentance" would have been pointless had the Church He and the apostles established been "tolerant" according to your definition.
I would suggest that women are not 2nd class citizens in the LDS Church. It is the older single men who are 2nd class citizens. I won't go into the details, but because I am not married, I am not allowed to serve in any position of authority in the Church.
Apparently there is a reason. People in leadership positions should portray the ideals of the Church, and that includes a wife and faithful kids. Yeah, it's a matter image, probably in hopes that the lay clergy will not be a stumbling block for anyone. As a single person, I'm not bothered by it. I doubt I'd enjoy any calling better than teaching Sunday school anyway.
How do you make a concurrent process in D? Perl? Ruby? C? Lisp?
Easy.
Go actually provides a usable, platform independent method of concurrent programming that doesn't involve mucking about with pthreads, or constants like &MMDIPS_MULTICORE_AGG. You just call "go func()" and a new process is spawned.
I can do that in even less keystrokes...
fork();
Yeah, you probably don't consider that "platform independent," but Go is marketed as a "systems" language, and all the systems currently supported by Go are all POSIX-compliant. I understand that Go's language support is value added, but it's not like language support for concurrency is some new thing; you just conveniently listed languages which weren't designed with concurrency in mind while ignoring the dozens of more-mature languages which were.
I have spent some time looking into Go and wasn't generally impressed. I saw pieces of C, pieces of Erlang, pieces of Python, and a whole lot of quirks. It has a nice and fast compiler, which I like, but I certainly was not amazed by its innovation or implementation.
Well, I am SURE glad I'm using Linux^H^H^H^H^HWindows^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMac^H^H^Hshit.
Ha! It sure is great being a BSD user. I mean, sure, it sucks kinda to use a dead operating system... but at least none of my imaging software has bugs that plague lesser operating systems, right?... right?
I guess you missed the fact that I'm only talking about general-purpose computers. It's relatively easy designing interfaces for specific applications (ATMs, voting machines, even phones), but we really haven't seen anything remarkable in the usability of personal computers in a long time. Sure, we've seen new input development (mainly touch), but they still stick with the aging desktop paradigm.
Also, there were some color Macs in 1990, but System 6 still had the B&W UI (screenshot).
Cool. Even though that is a screenshot of a relatively primitive system without much color and at a low resolution, I find it remarkable how little change/progress has occurred in the area of user interface design and the whole "desktop" paradigm. I guess don't fix it if it ain't broke, but it seems odd that we've been using this paradigm for 25+ years now and haven't really seen any competitive alternate interfaces. I can see how the command-line interface endured and will endure for the foreseeable future, but it seems like we should have moved away from the concept of a virtual desktop long ago to something more usable. Here it is 2010, and it is still the case that the only ones who can use a general purpose computer are those of us who have grown up with them, plus some others who have had occasion to be trained. I guess we won't have that problem once the new generation grows up...
Feel free to keep using your local area to prove/disprove climate change. One day the facts will pile up...
Congratulations. You've just demonstrated what we all already know: the Earth's climate changes. The fact that Earth's climate is changing is not noteworthy by itself, but it is disturbing now that it's an issue used by politicians of a certain flavor to push their agenda.
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Parent said a lot of words...
But missed the point: http://www2.latech.edu/~acm/helloworld/c.html
"This program is (supposedly) the smallest C program able to print "Hello world.". The compilation itself produces the desired printout and the program need not be actually run."
Oh, so this is the guy who designed that bloated markup language. Yeah, I can't wait to not care any less what his opinion of a phone is.
He's right, though...
Legal Alchemy? iPad Magic?
Is this Cupertino we're talking about or Hogwarts?
Seriously. I think Apple's marketing team must all be out on vacation because the image on Apple's homepage had the worst tagline I've ever seen:
"A magical and revolutionary product at an unbelievable price."
That's unbelievably bad. I thought Apple was a lot classier than that garbage.
When is the last time you saw an atheist fly a plane into a sky scraper? Or shoot a doctor dead, because some invisible man in the sky didn't like the LEGAL work the doctor was doing? Have any ministers, reverends or priests (even the PEDO ones) been assaulted by bands of roving atheists? Are atheist groups campaigning en masse to deny rights to homosexuals and legislate bigotry?
It's probably a bit too convenient (and dishonest) to take a "religion" that is widely known to be radical and violent as a prototype for typical religion while ignoring the obvious existence of radical atheists. It's also abundantly clear that there exists people who are not mentally well, both religious and otherwise, and such people are prone to do violent, immoral, and insane things. Ignoring that most people on earth (especially in the U.S.) are religious, a dishonest (or naive) person would extrapolate and conclude that religious people are more prone to violence than atheists, or even that religion causes such violence. You're above such naivety, aren't you?
It's also a clear cheap shot to decree that others are hypocrites when they try and fail to live up to higher standards (or even just different standards) than you yourself willing to accept as providential. But hey, I get it. Playing for the anti-religion crowd is an easy karma boost. To hell with intellectual honesty as long as you get the karma, right?
I don't know of many other institutions that attempt to bully a national government, you know?
Insightful... haha. More like incredibly naive. I don't know of any institutions that do not attempt to bully national governments. I'm exaggerating, but only slightly.
How does OpenSSH do without GCC?
Err... fine. Do you think OpenSSH only compiles on the gnu compiler?
As good as the Linux kernel is, there are viable replacements with arguably better licensing terms. On the other hand, the likes of OpenSSH are so good (and so widely used) that most people couldn't name a single ssh alternative.
How are these clones? The iPad was announced what, 2.5 months ago? Doesn't it take significantly longer than that to engineer, design and develop a device to market?
Not if you can skip the design step.
but here I must disagree. The government doesn't own the country.
The government shouldn't own the country, but in the case of China, they clearly do. A revolution would be required of the Chinese people if there ever comes a time when they want to start owning their country. As it is now, either the Chinese people understand their relationship with their government and aren't upset enough to warrant blood, or the government is succeeding fantastically at keeping over a billion of the world's population terribly ignorant. There doesn't seem much we can do about it either way; I doubt very much that China is concerned about a Google departure, though a liar Li may be.
russia ? russia has NO principles in regard to anything. there is no hypocrisy there.
european countries suck up to china indeed, yet they dont go infesting other countries and turning them upside down for profit like american companies do. hell, they even turned your own country upside down, and you are the people complaining loudest about that.
Wrong, on a few levels. American companies don't turn other countries upside-down. That would be impossible unless the economic structures of other countries are broken to begin with. Also, contrary to popular left-wing propaganda in the US, American companies didn't turn America upside-down either; that chain reaction was started by the government forcing banks to loan money to people who could never hope to pay it back. Thus, Americans are rightly pissed off. We're obviously the loudest about it because it's our problem to fix; it's not really anyone else' business so why would I even expect any other nationals to make any noise at all about it?
no job can be the 'best job ever'. remember this : once you start doing something as job, it starts to be less 'fun' every day on and on, until at one point becoming a mere job itself.
no exceptions.
I pity you.
stop and think of the comments if the situation was reversed.
yes thats right, slashdot is as bad as fox news.
More like people are just people. Our experiences give us bias, and there is nobody who can achieve perfect objectivity in every situation. People here have a propensity to cheer for open source software. Through their own experiences, Fox viewers have a different perspective. It's not bad, it's just life. The alternative would be to throw out all emotion and become as the Vulcans. Yes, we're all biased. Yes, we're all emotional. Yes, we're all hypocrites--especially those of us who pretend to have no bias.
Anytime you mention multitasking to an Apple fanboi they come up with 20 reasons why it's a bad idea and wasn't implemented. I'm sure they're just irate about this new feature and will be pissed off to no end that Apple is adding it, right?
Umm, yeah.. Congratulations, you just completely owned that straw man you set up there. It didn't even stand a chance against you!
Now back to reality, most iPhone users I've talked to have admitted that multitasking would be a nice feature and have expressed their opinions that it would probably be added eventually (just like copy and paste was later added). A minority of iPhone users expressed their satisfaction with the current model and wouldn't care to use a multitasking feature if it ever was offered. Personally, I've never met any of your straw men, but I'm willing to wager they're a minority if they exist. Or do I just associate with exceptionally rational people? Probably not...
Apple once sued Microsoft on the theory that Windows infringed on the "look and feel" of Mac OS, so it's not at all surprising they would threaten to do the same to Sun over the look and feel of Looking Glass. It's just Apple being Apple, and Jobs being a dick, as usual.
Apple may be litigious, but your example isn't very apt. Many things involving "look and feel" including trademarks and logos are protected. As far as I know, there was no precedent concerning the protection of graphical user interfaces to any significant extent, so it made good sense for Apple to try it. You've obviously got strong opinions of Apple and Steve Jobs, so I can see how you might have missed this. Forming suspicion and opinions can sometimes lead to pushing objectivity out the door.
I'm offering 10:1 I get modded flamebait for not drinking the Linux Kool-Aid.
You may be new here. You should know that Mac fanbois with modpoints outnumber Linux enthusiasts in articles from the Apple section. Either that, or at least you've been here long enough to have figured out that many moderators still fall for the classic reverse psychology "I know I'm going to get modded down for this, but..." routine.
As for me, I used the term "Mac fanbois" in an Apple article. There's no amount of reverse psychology that can help me now. I might as well go down in flames by pointing out that a surprising number of people with interesting and unique sexual preferences choose Apple products. Oh dear.
My problem with SSDs isn't even the price per GB (which is bad enough). It's the amount of space, period. Currently, on Newegg, their Intel SSDs (I singled out Intel as they reportedly make the best) come in a maximum of 160 GB. That is honestly a pathetic amount of storage. When the drives come in at least 500 GB sizes, then I'll consider them. Not a moment before.
You're doing it wrong. You don't get an SSD for document storage. That's what spinning disks and RAID are for. No, you get an SSD for your root partition including /etc /bin /lib /usr and /var (or C:\windows and C:\program files). You don't really need /home to be fast (although velociraptor drives and RAID are nice), but putting your binaries, config files, and shared program files on SSD is the thing that will give you the biggest performance jump you've had in years (disk access being the bottleneck that it is). Most people can fit their root partition on a cheap 30GB SSD with plenty of room to spare; I'm personally at 13.22GB/29.35GB on an OCZ Vertex 30GB and loving the 10s boots and instant OpenOffice coldstarts. Of course it's better than just fast application launching--programs which load a lot of data (i.e. from /usr/share) are also much quicker.
You obviously have already formed strong opinions, but hopefully you consider these points:
1. It's interesting how people get so fixated on the Mountain Meadows massacre when that pales in comparison to the number of Mormons killed during the extermination order given by Boggs, the Haun's Mill massacre, the evacuation of Far West, and the subsequent push westward. That doesn't at all make Mountain Meadows massacre right, but it does help keep things in perspective.
2. Young did not order the attack but launched an investigation after the massacre. At least Haight and Lee were excommunicated. To use the Mountain Meadows massacre as an example in hopes to prove that Mormons somehow "secretly" endorse murder is desperate or at least naive.
3. The Mormon church does not "hate gays." Individual mormons could hate gays just like some individual evangelicals, Catholics or atheists may, but the Church continues to endorse the idea of loving one's neighbors and enemies. It is true that homosexuality is one of the more grievous sins (punishable by death under the old law), and for that reason gay people must necessarily repent before they be can hold any position of leadership, for example. Given the Mormon view that homosexuality is a sin, what you view as intolerance of the Church would really be the intolerance God has for sin. Of course, the grace of Christ provides everyone the opportunity to repent, so it's not like anyone is excluded. In other words, anyone who doesn't enter the Church does so by choice, not because they were excluded. God Himself will judge all; the Church itself makes no determination of the state of any person's "afterlife." Of course, repentance is literally turning away from sin, and everyone is capable of doing that if they will. Your view of a "tolerant" church without standards where anything and everything goes may make you feel good because it's easy, but I personally am not interested in religion which doesn't push me to be better. Judeo-christianity has always been about taking up one's cross and striving to be better. Christ's preaching of "repentance" would have been pointless had the Church He and the apostles established been "tolerant" according to your definition.
Just some thoughts.
As a single LDS Man,
I would suggest that women are not 2nd class citizens in the LDS Church. It is the older single men who are 2nd class citizens. I won't go into the details, but because I am not married, I am not allowed to serve in any position of authority in the Church.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/titus/1/6
Apparently there is a reason. People in leadership positions should portray the ideals of the Church, and that includes a wife and faithful kids. Yeah, it's a matter image, probably in hopes that the lay clergy will not be a stumbling block for anyone. As a single person, I'm not bothered by it. I doubt I'd enjoy any calling better than teaching Sunday school anyway.
How do you make a concurrent process in D? Perl? Ruby? C? Lisp?
Easy.
Go actually provides a usable, platform independent method of concurrent programming that doesn't involve mucking about with pthreads, or constants like &MMDIPS_MULTICORE_AGG. You just call "go func()" and a new process is spawned.
I can do that in even less keystrokes...
fork();
Yeah, you probably don't consider that "platform independent," but Go is marketed as a "systems" language, and all the systems currently supported by Go are all POSIX-compliant. I understand that Go's language support is value added, but it's not like language support for concurrency is some new thing; you just conveniently listed languages which weren't designed with concurrency in mind while ignoring the dozens of more-mature languages which were.
I have spent some time looking into Go and wasn't generally impressed. I saw pieces of C, pieces of Erlang, pieces of Python, and a whole lot of quirks. It has a nice and fast compiler, which I like, but I certainly was not amazed by its innovation or implementation.
> ... you're in a pretty favorable legal position.
Except when the other party has lots of money and you don't. Welcome to the realities of our legal system.
What do you think the EFF is for?
Well, I am SURE glad I'm using Linux^H^H^H^H^HWindows^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMac^H^H^Hshit.
Ha! It sure is great being a BSD user. I mean, sure, it sucks kinda to use a dead operating system... but at least none of my imaging software has bugs that plague lesser operating systems, right?... right?
Uh, I guess you forgot about the iPhone/iPad UI?
I guess you missed the fact that I'm only talking about general-purpose computers. It's relatively easy designing interfaces for specific applications (ATMs, voting machines, even phones), but we really haven't seen anything remarkable in the usability of personal computers in a long time. Sure, we've seen new input development (mainly touch), but they still stick with the aging desktop paradigm.
Also, there were some color Macs in 1990, but System 6 still had the B&W UI (screenshot).
Cool. Even though that is a screenshot of a relatively primitive system without much color and at a low resolution, I find it remarkable how little change/progress has occurred in the area of user interface design and the whole "desktop" paradigm. I guess don't fix it if it ain't broke, but it seems odd that we've been using this paradigm for 25+ years now and haven't really seen any competitive alternate interfaces. I can see how the command-line interface endured and will endure for the foreseeable future, but it seems like we should have moved away from the concept of a virtual desktop long ago to something more usable. Here it is 2010, and it is still the case that the only ones who can use a general purpose computer are those of us who have grown up with them, plus some others who have had occasion to be trained. I guess we won't have that problem once the new generation grows up...
Or if you want KDE, I suggest any KDE distro except Kubuntu, which may just be the worst KDE distro, if not the worst distro of all time.
Feel free to keep using your local area to prove/disprove climate change. One day the facts will pile up ...
Congratulations. You've just demonstrated what we all already know: the Earth's climate changes. The fact that Earth's climate is changing is not noteworthy by itself, but it is disturbing now that it's an issue used by politicians of a certain flavor to push their agenda.