You sure have elaborate fantasies about who I am and what I do. I don't think it's healthy. But before you got off the rails you said
or you could just lower your standards for what constitutes a racist
I am talking about racism and bigotry, not racists and bigots. I don't care about peoples inner state of mind, but I do care about peoples actions.
In any case, your rant didn't address my main point: what makes you think that bigotry "isn't everywhere"? Or to use a more posh phrasing, "doesn't permeate whole of society". I understand that proving a negative is a difficult thing to do, but you (or at least elrous0) seem to think that “is everywhere” implies “can't be true”, which is not valid reasoning, even using such vague terms.
For some reason some/. users demand forensic evidence where it is not appropriate. Sure, if scientists discover something, asking for the link to the paper is reasonable. But when the news is something like “Mary Elizabeth is expecting a baby”, I bet there will be some asshat that will demand notarized doctor statement or something like that. "Leaks or it didn't happen" is stupid.
Careful though, in many languages signed overflow is undefined.
I prefer platform specific behaviour instead of undefined behaviour. Sure, it is bad and should be avoided, but unlike undefined behaviour, platform specific behaviour can't kill your dog (not that you said that, but sometimes I come across such horror stories).
C/C++ is like that, for example. In practice it will probably roll to 0x80000000 but it is entirely architecture and compiler dependent if that happens and what 0x80000000 is interpreted as.
I don't think there are that many possible platform specific overflow outcomes. Throwing exceptions, crashing the application, quietly returning INT_MIN are all preferable outcomes compared to returning 0. At least I am not aware of any platform/language where signed integer i = INT_MAX + 1 overflows to a non-negative number. If I am wrong, please correct me.
It is generally a good idea to store quantities in signed variables, because unsigned numbers overflow into valid numbers, which are less obvious bugs. If you have a game #-2147483648, cause of the bug is clear even to a novice. If an application starts to serve games that are really old even if you asked for the new ones, who knows why? Also, using unsigned numbers will not help much with saving memory space. If the game count reached 2^31, how long until it reaches 2^32?
What will happen if students start interrupting teachers with questions like: "But Jesus doesn't exist (and that's a fact)[...]
Any person who teaches humanities should be at least familiar with presentism and its rebuttal, like incompatibility with relativity theory or the truthmaker objection.
Or do they not want to even make up a kangaroo court?
Since the employees were not hanged, drawn and quartered, just fired, “kangaroo court” is not hardly applicable. From what I have heard, in USA firing doesn't need a reason. If during the investigation they found things that would normally warrant dismissal of employee without “a court”, then why shouldn't they do that in this case?
However, if the Uber publishes the list of employees they fired exactly because of harassment claims, then those employees could have a case of slander.
I'll tell you my HR department's persective, "That depends how it makes her feel"
Wow, was that really what the HR department replied to you? What where the sanctions?
In a better workplace you don't need mind reading skills not to get into trouble, since there are common decency rules. For example, if you say to a coworker “Oooh, nice tits!”, that is commonly interpreted as harassment. “Nice shoes” will probably not get you into trouble, but if that particular coworker feels uncomfortable with such remarks, there is no good reason continuing making them.
If I want you to feel uncomfortable, trust me, you'll fucking realise.
On the other hand, reading this line made me realise that perhaps you do lack human decency and you see yourself as a better person than you really are. If you get angry fast not only online, I would not be surprised that your coworkers would rather talk with HR than with you in person.
Sorry for moving goalposts, but have you asked in scientific way. That is, asked both men and women from the same field and corrected for possible unrelated variables. Just asking, because in my workplace men show very little interest in contributing to OSS, even though our shop is mostly OSS.
I don't think there is a problem,
In that case, can I as you not to hinder those who do see this as a problem?
Perhaps men have more spare time for open source projects?
That is quite probable. Quick peek at stats for voluntary work in USA show that women volunteers are about 30%. But github is used for professional work too. Just lack of time still wouldn't account for the difference. Minor correction, women are not 5%, but maximum 4%.
Also, this was a random sampling of several thousand GitHub contributors PLUS a few hundred hand-picked contributors also
While it does seem fishy, even if hand-picked contributors were completely biased set, it could skew the only by a half of a percentage point.
Have you asked? In any case, your reasoning has assumptions that I don't believe are true. You seem to think that people just think to themselves “I want to write open source software” and just start coding something up. In my experience it is usually “I want to fix this particular thing”, which is either a bug in existing software or requiring customization of existing code. If your solution is requiring women to rewrite whole OSS landscape, then it is not worth the effort. Fragmentation is hardly a benefit to anyone.
And even if for some reasons feminists clump together to make feminist software, github is not preventing men interacting with those women.
We live in a social sphere with literally centuries of cultural tradition of men initiating intimate relationships with women.
And the initiation has benefits, mathematically speaking. In any case, Github is not a dating site, but workplace, and hitting on colleagues is known to be problematic. Even worse, if gender skew is 19:1, then if men are "hitting" only occasionally, women get "hit on" all the time.
If so, do you think we also need to solve the problem of
All those problems are trivial compared to US health care system both ACA and whatever the AHCA might be. Also, about 10% of US population live in poverty! Fix that first, damn it! On the more serious point, yes, that 60/40 spilt is an indication that something is wrong. So, how do you propose to fix it? Because right now it seems that this stat is only relevant when grievances of women are raised.
not enough men in college, which is now 60% women
Where was the outrage when/. articles advertised to self learn programming and skip collage, since it is a waste of time?
Because men and women ARE different.
Why yes, but unless your point is that sex organs are relevant to open source software development, you should enlighten us how which differences are the relevant ones and why they are so strong that only 5% are women. For contrast, in US the registered nurses are ~ 10% men.
How about we focus on the truth value of information instead of the subjective, emotional aspects?
If I would tweet “There are refugees living in the Arden st. 79-2, let's go beat them up!”, should we focus on the facts of the tweet? If I tweet “Jews are thieves and murderers, and some, I presume, are good people”, would you say that this is a perfectly true statement?
No. I don't use Bing. I use Google and Yahoo. And neither of those make me happy.
But back to the topic. It is extremely unlikely that Google would exit EU market over this. It would make sense only if their search business was a net loss. Which is unlikely.
I don't see the downside for EU. If consumers in EU are getting inferior product because of improper conduct by Google, then what is the harm in them leaving? It's not like Google provides services that no one else doses.
I would agree that it wasn't trollish, but it's like mentioning systemd in a discussion about latest LINUX release. Sure, it is somehow related, but it is known to spark off topic rants. While I didn't moderate your post, I can see how soft worded allusion could be seen as flamebait -- it wasn't particularly informative or insightful (for it lacked details), so maybe better bury it for the sake of the discussion. Alas, there is no karma neutral negative moderation.
Disclaimer: My main news sources are BBC and LSM. I am liberally inclined.
0. Obviously avoid any “made up news” sites. If you have no idea what the publisher is, either consider it made up or dig up sources.
1. Avoid media that confuse option with facts. Easy to spot, since they use emotive language. Compare “swarm of immigrants” with “thousands of asylum seekers”. If they are the only ones talking about seemingly important issue, chances are, they are blowing things out of proportion. And just because you intellectually know that that is just rubbish, doesn't mean that it is not effective. Ask yourself, how many people or groups of people you hate because someone else you listen to hates them? Same goes for propaganda media, like RT. Just because most of the material is ok, the occasional blatant lies are not worth it.
2. Every news organization will get facts wrong. What matters is how they handle it. If they mess up daily, drop them. If they issue erratas, odds are that they are more trustworthy.
3. Don't follow breaking news unless they impact you directly. At the beginning nobody knows anything, after about 6 hours some sort of clarity is expected.
4. Don't live on the facts alone. If the news says “GBP has fallen against EUR by 2%”, this alone doesn't answer “Why has it fallen?”, “What will be GBP rate in the future?” or “What does it mean for UK economy/households?”. Any news organization worth their salt will get experts who can shed light on the matters. If they bring in quacks, that is not a reputable news organization.
5. How to spot a quack? If you have some expert knowledge of the topic, it's easy to spot those. If a news organization tends to invite such quacks, I wouldn't trust the “experts” in the fields I don't have good knowledge in. Resist the Gell-Mann amnesia!
6. From time to time read some opinion pieces and discussions between highly opinionated so called experts. I personally wouldn't trust them on anything or believe that I have gained any insight, but it helps to have some idea on what people believe, some of which can even be valid and be worth your time digging into.
Logic might not help, tourism is heavily influenced by peoples sentiment. Is the decline because Egypt seem a bit safer or because US politics has been in the news for the whole 2016 and the image that it projected about the US was not flattering. Who knows? It's like trying to explain movements of stock price fluctuations of a company.
For subject to be fun, it has to be challenging (otherwise you get bored) and understandable (otherwise you get frustrated). Coding is not fun when you work with spaghetti code or some dark wizardry (undocumented super smart solutions) is involved. Complex board games are still games, that are tailored to be as non-frustrating as possible. Alas, code rarely is.
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You sure have elaborate fantasies about who I am and what I do. I don't think it's healthy. But before you got off the rails you said
or you could just lower your standards for what constitutes a racist
I am talking about racism and bigotry, not racists and bigots. I don't care about peoples inner state of mind, but I do care about peoples actions.
In any case, your rant didn't address my main point: what makes you think that bigotry "isn't everywhere"? Or to use a more posh phrasing, "doesn't permeate whole of society". I understand that proving a negative is a difficult thing to do, but you (or at least elrous0) seem to think that “is everywhere” implies “can't be true”, which is not valid reasoning, even using such vague terms.
I do know one thing for sure, though. If you go looking for racism and bigotry, you'll always find it--whether it's actually there or not.
Maybe it's easy to find racism and bigotry everywhere, because it actually is everywhere? (I assumed you used “everywhere” as a hyperbole).
For some reason some /. users demand forensic evidence where it is not appropriate. Sure, if scientists discover something, asking for the link to the paper is reasonable. But when the news is something like “Mary Elizabeth is expecting a baby”, I bet there will be some asshat that will demand notarized doctor statement or something like that. "Leaks or it didn't happen" is stupid.
Careful though, in many languages signed overflow is undefined.
I prefer platform specific behaviour instead of undefined behaviour. Sure, it is bad and should be avoided, but unlike undefined behaviour, platform specific behaviour can't kill your dog (not that you said that, but sometimes I come across such horror stories).
C/C++ is like that, for example. In practice it will probably roll to 0x80000000 but it is entirely architecture and compiler dependent if that happens and what 0x80000000 is interpreted as.
I don't think there are that many possible platform specific overflow outcomes. Throwing exceptions, crashing the application, quietly returning INT_MIN are all preferable outcomes compared to returning 0. At least I am not aware of any platform/language where signed integer i = INT_MAX + 1 overflows to a non-negative number. If I am wrong, please correct me.
It is generally a good idea to store quantities in signed variables, because unsigned numbers overflow into valid numbers, which are less obvious bugs. If you have a game #-2147483648, cause of the bug is clear even to a novice. If an application starts to serve games that are really old even if you asked for the new ones, who knows why? Also, using unsigned numbers will not help much with saving memory space. If the game count reached 2^31, how long until it reaches 2^32?
What will happen if students start interrupting teachers with questions like: "But Jesus doesn't exist (and that's a fact)[...]
Any person who teaches humanities should be at least familiar with presentism and its rebuttal, like incompatibility with relativity theory or the truthmaker objection.
Or do they not want to even make up a kangaroo court?
Since the employees were not hanged, drawn and quartered, just fired, “kangaroo court” is not hardly applicable. From what I have heard, in USA firing doesn't need a reason. If during the investigation they found things that would normally warrant dismissal of employee without “a court”, then why shouldn't they do that in this case?
However, if the Uber publishes the list of employees they fired exactly because of harassment claims, then those employees could have a case of slander.
I'll tell you my HR department's persective, "That depends how it makes her feel"
Wow, was that really what the HR department replied to you? What where the sanctions?
In a better workplace you don't need mind reading skills not to get into trouble, since there are common decency rules. For example, if you say to a coworker “Oooh, nice tits!”, that is commonly interpreted as harassment. “Nice shoes” will probably not get you into trouble, but if that particular coworker feels uncomfortable with such remarks, there is no good reason continuing making them.
If I want you to feel uncomfortable, trust me, you'll fucking realise.
On the other hand, reading this line made me realise that perhaps you do lack human decency and you see yourself as a better person than you really are. If you get angry fast not only online, I would not be surprised that your coworkers would rather talk with HR than with you in person.
Yes. And so have others.
Sorry for moving goalposts, but have you asked in scientific way. That is, asked both men and women from the same field and corrected for possible unrelated variables. Just asking, because in my workplace men show very little interest in contributing to OSS, even though our shop is mostly OSS.
I don't think there is a problem,
In that case, can I as you not to hinder those who do see this as a problem?
Perhaps men have more spare time for open source projects?
That is quite probable. Quick peek at stats for voluntary work in USA show that women volunteers are about 30%. But github is used for professional work too. Just lack of time still wouldn't account for the difference. Minor correction, women are not 5%, but maximum 4%.
Also, this was a random sampling of several thousand GitHub contributors PLUS a few hundred hand-picked contributors also
While it does seem fishy, even if hand-picked contributors were completely biased set, it could skew the only by a half of a percentage point.
women just aren't interested
Have you asked? In any case, your reasoning has assumptions that I don't believe are true. You seem to think that people just think to themselves “I want to write open source software” and just start coding something up. In my experience it is usually “I want to fix this particular thing”, which is either a bug in existing software or requiring customization of existing code. If your solution is requiring women to rewrite whole OSS landscape, then it is not worth the effort. Fragmentation is hardly a benefit to anyone.
And even if for some reasons feminists clump together to make feminist software, github is not preventing men interacting with those women.
We live in a social sphere with literally centuries of cultural tradition of men initiating intimate relationships with women.
And the initiation has benefits, mathematically speaking. In any case, Github is not a dating site, but workplace, and hitting on colleagues is known to be problematic. Even worse, if gender skew is 19:1, then if men are "hitting" only occasionally, women get "hit on" all the time.
then they will no doubt be biased towards an assumption of intent that matches their perception
Intent is not required for harassment. At least not until mind reading is invented.
If so, do you think we also need to solve the problem of
All those problems are trivial compared to US health care system both ACA and whatever the AHCA might be. Also, about 10% of US population live in poverty! Fix that first, damn it! On the more serious point, yes, that 60/40 spilt is an indication that something is wrong. So, how do you propose to fix it? Because right now it seems that this stat is only relevant when grievances of women are raised.
not enough men in college, which is now 60% women
Where was the outrage when /. articles advertised to self learn programming and skip collage, since it is a waste of time?
Because men and women ARE different.
Why yes, but unless your point is that sex organs are relevant to open source software development, you should enlighten us how which differences are the relevant ones and why they are so strong that only 5% are women. For contrast, in US the registered nurses are ~ 10% men.
If a project needs a Code of Conduct, I don't want to be part of that project.
Odds are, they are not too keen on you either.
not documents saying you can't use it if you're a meanie
I am not aware of any software, which requires compliance with CoC in order to use it.
Each country is running its own propaganda, with most of its media following the government.
And how did you come to this conclusion?
How about we focus on the truth value of information instead of the subjective, emotional aspects?
If I would tweet “There are refugees living in the Arden st. 79-2, let's go beat them up!”, should we focus on the facts of the tweet? If I tweet “Jews are thieves and murderers, and some, I presume, are good people”, would you say that this is a perfectly true statement?
So you're a happy Bing user then?
No. I don't use Bing. I use Google and Yahoo. And neither of those make me happy.
But back to the topic. It is extremely unlikely that Google would exit EU market over this. It would make sense only if their search business was a net loss. Which is unlikely.
As in, tell the EU to go fuck themselves
I don't see the downside for EU. If consumers in EU are getting inferior product because of improper conduct by Google, then what is the harm in them leaving? It's not like Google provides services that no one else doses.
I would agree that it wasn't trollish, but it's like mentioning systemd in a discussion about latest LINUX release. Sure, it is somehow related, but it is known to spark off topic rants. While I didn't moderate your post, I can see how soft worded allusion could be seen as flamebait -- it wasn't particularly informative or insightful (for it lacked details), so maybe better bury it for the sake of the discussion. Alas, there is no karma neutral negative moderation.
You mean that it wasn't a flamebait?
Disclaimer: My main news sources are BBC and LSM. I am liberally inclined.
0. Obviously avoid any “made up news” sites. If you have no idea what the publisher is, either consider it made up or dig up sources.
1. Avoid media that confuse option with facts. Easy to spot, since they use emotive language. Compare “swarm of immigrants” with “thousands of asylum seekers”. If they are the only ones talking about seemingly important issue, chances are, they are blowing things out of proportion. And just because you intellectually know that that is just rubbish, doesn't mean that it is not effective. Ask yourself, how many people or groups of people you hate because someone else you listen to hates them? Same goes for propaganda media, like RT. Just because most of the material is ok, the occasional blatant lies are not worth it.
2. Every news organization will get facts wrong. What matters is how they handle it. If they mess up daily, drop them. If they issue erratas, odds are that they are more trustworthy.
3. Don't follow breaking news unless they impact you directly. At the beginning nobody knows anything, after about 6 hours some sort of clarity is expected.
4. Don't live on the facts alone. If the news says “GBP has fallen against EUR by 2%”, this alone doesn't answer “Why has it fallen?”, “What will be GBP rate in the future?” or “What does it mean for UK economy/households?”. Any news organization worth their salt will get experts who can shed light on the matters. If they bring in quacks, that is not a reputable news organization.
5. How to spot a quack? If you have some expert knowledge of the topic, it's easy to spot those. If a news organization tends to invite such quacks, I wouldn't trust the “experts” in the fields I don't have good knowledge in. Resist the Gell-Mann amnesia!
6. From time to time read some opinion pieces and discussions between highly opinionated so called experts. I personally wouldn't trust them on anything or believe that I have gained any insight, but it helps to have some idea on what people believe, some of which can even be valid and be worth your time digging into.
Logic might not help, tourism is heavily influenced by peoples sentiment. Is the decline because Egypt seem a bit safer or because US politics has been in the news for the whole 2016 and the image that it projected about the US was not flattering. Who knows? It's like trying to explain movements of stock price fluctuations of a company.
For subject to be fun, it has to be challenging (otherwise you get bored) and understandable (otherwise you get frustrated). Coding is not fun when you work with spaghetti code or some dark wizardry (undocumented super smart solutions) is involved. Complex board games are still games, that are tailored to be as non-frustrating as possible. Alas, code rarely is.