If you can watch it from the highway, it is generally understood that it's fair game. The hunters here were wrong to damage other's property. The simple fact is that they had no expectation of privacy, nor should they have. If these were pot farmers, and they were spotted by the police in a helicopter, or by using a drone, no warrant would be required. It's "in plain sight." Hippies they may be, but a crime has been committed against them.
I'm not a hunter... but I do believe in people's rights.
These people were interfering busy-bodies... and it's a damn shame their lil toy got in the way of some of the hunter's bullets as they were taking aim at their prey.
I imagine the same thing would probably happen if someone were conducting remote surveillance on me while I was on my property.
He stole data. The holes weren't obvious or trivial. They now have to hope he didn't actually sell the data, or that someone didn't hack it from _him_.
So other than every facet of the situation being totally different, I guess you're right it's similar other than that.
Data is still there, he didn't steal it.
Copied, sure... steal, no. Steal, deprives someone of the use of the object stolen.
The lock on your bedroom window is crap. I broke it last night, and then rifled through all of your stuff. Did the same to 2 of your neighbors also.. ya know, just to show it wasn't a fluke.
Your welcome.
I would like my reward now.
Ohhh... his bedroom is public? Many people come thru there?
His actions did have consequences. I work for a large company with lots of publicly facing servers. If the guy had hacked into our servers, he may well have tripped an IDS or some other log analysis process, which would have alerted us to someone being somewhere they shouldn't be. Imagine how many man hours would be involved in identifying the intrusion.
Now that's not to say that I don't disagree with the rest of your post: the holes obviously existed, and if a black hat had got in they'd have to respond in the same manner. The thing is, a black hat would (hopefully) be found and prosecuted too, for the same reasons.
If someone is able to hack into YOUR SERVERS... it's YOUR problem... not the hackers. YOU left the vuln... he exploited it.
It's not the, "I left my front door open, you came in uninvited, and now I'm installing an alarm system"
it is, "I own a company, it's in a building, the public comes to it... someone found I left a door open that wasn't marked and now I have to install a lock, sign and alarm system, even though, I SHOULD HAVE ALREADY."
The hacker didn't CREATE the situation that allowed his access. He just FOUND it.
Just roll your own AOSP build that only has/system/app/Browser.apk along with essential system UI apks and include none of the networking drivers that the device needs.
Couple of bucks ($20?) per year to have them go through and scan a years worth of papers.
Kids love making money.
ROFL!
You must be old.
Kids are so fucking unmotivated and spoiled nowadays, you won't get shit from them. And if you do... the product will be shit.
I can't even get those idiots to make a burger correctly, and you want them to make archival scans of documents that are 'important enough to have scans made of'.
Haven't you seen that video on the tube yet? Dude splodes the laptop cause his worthless kid is mouthing off about how hard her fucking life is... and she HAS A FUCKING MAID!
But this newest update they sent... is blowing my CPU util of the charts...
I can open just Gmail, come back 8hrs later (ie, going to sleep), come back and my laptop fan is roaring like a jet taking off, utilization is well above 50%, with kernel involved and both cores.
I don't know if it's new Chrome update interacting with SWF or something that they (Google) did to their pages. When I run Chrome taskman, it shows the tabs that have Google apps on them, just smoking the CPU.
This isn't flamebait or trolling... it's a fact. I've made two bug reports, but it seems that there isn't a "me too" anywhere.
Hoping maybe one of the geek peers here might have a similar issue?
Except the complaint is less about his right to view pornography and more about his lack of a right to subject others to it. If the library doesn't washer to stop him, OK but make him go some place in the library where others don't have to see it.
As you are walking past a computer screen on your left..., you see PORN!
You quickly avert your gaze to the right... guess what? No more porn!
WOWEE!
And the guy didn't even have to move. I love the simple solutions.
I remember a day when the Government didn't track every single thing you did on the internet on some monster database. When I could come and go between Canada as I pleased, without a passport. When my personal computer wasn't loaded with DRM software and the DMCA hadn't even been dreamt of.
And for all the tin-foil hat types, you'll love this bit:
"Wilmington Mayor Bill Saffo said the white space network enables the city's police department to install surveillance cameras at a fraction of the cost of installing one using cables and other wires necessary to reach a signal."
I used to live in Wilmington and I think it's cool that we get all the goodies. (We, it's my hometown)
We were the first to try digital TV in the nation... and they just got something else cool a couple months ago. Forget what, but it was on/.
For it to be a 'lil hick town', we had some cool shit before everyone else in the nation.
4. The head of IT moves on. 5. The authentication is moved away from the system set up in (1); the new system doesn't have the 8-13 character issue. But the policy stays in place - nobody actually knows why it was brought in but it specifically says "for security reasons" so there must have been a good reason. 6. The system in (3) is retired. None of the remaining systems suffer from the punctuation issue.
In the Buddhist world, what you described is a zen koan called "Ritual Cat" (and other variants)
If my goddamned phone touchscreen doesn't stop getting wonky every time the relative humidity gets above "desert" then there's going to be a hidden danger of me throwing it against the fucking wall.
FWIW, due to the economy, we have lots of homes available to buy or rent, here in the desert.
Just bite through the pain ffs! That's how my granddad got through a full-working life! People are pussies these days.
No shit.. just wait til they find 40 and arthritis starts hitting.
Yesterday my knee was 5-6 in pain. I probably have hundreds of pain pills from "good meaning" doctors in my cabinets. But who the hell wants to be popping pills for the rest of their life?
So... just steeled myself and kept working. Today it's back to normal 1-2 pain. Love winter.
Hell, my (other ex) was addicted to Vicodin, I had to threaten her Dr to make him stop prescribing them.
Now I keep my strong pills in case someone accidentally cuts an arm off, lol.
What are you talking about? Good on you for having great health.
Meanwhile plenty of geeks suffer from computer-related health problems. The most common up to now has been carpal tunnel or repetitive stress syndrome.
One trip to a REAL doctor and you'll find that CTS, really doesn't exist for people that use computers, correctly.
I can give you the number to a real Dr, if you'd like to talk to him.
I'm sure he would have loved to make the money from the surgery on my ex-wife's wrist. Instead, he said... adjust your chair height to where your arm, at 45 degree extension, will have your radius/ulna parallel and about an inch above the desk surface. Buy a gel pad for the kb and the mouse and you'll be fine in a few months.
And she was.
I had the same thing... absolutely crippling pain from the base of my palm, all the way thru my shoulder-blade. I raised my seat, maybe an inch. Gone in months.
If you have your chair at the wrong height... put too much weight on your wrists when you type and mouse... you will get symptoms that appear to be CTS and RSD... but aren't. CT scan will prove it.
That'll draw those adhd bieber followers right in! Btw, why are we concentrating on 3D for a group of people that have hair covering one eye?? Sometimes both?
Face it... this is a new world, don't try to draw someone in, to something they are not interested in. The internet is a really good evolutionary tool. People that seek knowledge will seek it, those that have an interest in the computer fields, will seek it.
Don't force the burger flippers to learn about tech... do YOU want to flip your own burgers?
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If you can watch it from the highway, it is generally understood that it's fair game. The hunters here were wrong to damage other's property. The simple fact is that they had no expectation of privacy, nor should they have. If these were pot farmers, and they were spotted by the police in a helicopter, or by using a drone, no warrant would be required. It's "in plain sight." Hippies they may be, but a crime has been committed against them.
I'm not a hunter... but I do believe in people's rights.
These people were interfering busy-bodies... and it's a damn shame their lil toy got
in the way of some of the hunter's bullets as they were taking aim at their prey.
I imagine the same thing would probably happen if someone were conducting
remote surveillance on me while I was on my property.
-AI
I'm pretty sure citizenship does entitle you to a passport.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
-@|
It's literally nothing like that situation.
He stole data. The holes weren't obvious or trivial. They now have to hope he didn't actually sell the data, or that someone didn't hack it from _him_.
So other than every facet of the situation being totally different, I guess you're right it's similar other than that.
Data is still there, he didn't steal it.
Copied, sure... steal, no. Steal, deprives someone of the use of the object stolen.
-AI
The lock on your bedroom window is crap. I broke it last night, and then rifled through all of your stuff. Did the same to 2 of your neighbors also.. ya know, just to show it wasn't a fluke.
Your welcome.
I would like my reward now.
Ohhh... his bedroom is public? Many people come thru there?
-AI
His actions did have consequences. I work for a large company with lots of publicly facing servers. If the guy had hacked into our servers, he may well have tripped an IDS or some other log analysis process, which would have alerted us to someone being somewhere they shouldn't be. Imagine how many man hours would be involved in identifying the intrusion.
Now that's not to say that I don't disagree with the rest of your post: the holes obviously existed, and if a black hat had got in they'd have to respond in the same manner. The thing is, a black hat would (hopefully) be found and prosecuted too, for the same reasons.
If someone is able to hack into YOUR SERVERS... it's YOUR problem... not the hackers. YOU left the vuln... he exploited it.
It's not the, "I left my front door open, you came in uninvited, and now I'm installing an alarm system"
it is, "I own a company, it's in a building, the public comes to it... someone found I left a door open
that wasn't marked and now I have to install a lock, sign and alarm system, even though,
I SHOULD HAVE ALREADY."
The hacker didn't CREATE the situation that allowed his access. He just FOUND it.
-AI
You miss the point. If a war isn't worth putting your ass on the line for, it's also not worth killing other people for.
You must be new to this planet.
-AI
Just roll your own AOSP build that only has /system/app/Browser.apk along with essential system UI apks and include none of the networking drivers that the device needs.
Seconded, why are "the answers" at 0?
-AI
Outsource....
To a child (or a neighborhood child).
Couple of bucks ($20?) per year to have them go through and scan a years worth of papers.
Kids love making money.
ROFL!
You must be old.
Kids are so fucking unmotivated and spoiled nowadays,
you won't get shit from them. And if you do... the product
will be shit.
I can't even get those idiots to make a burger correctly,
and you want them to make archival scans of documents
that are 'important enough to have scans made of'.
Haven't you seen that video on the tube yet? Dude splodes
the laptop cause his worthless kid is mouthing off about
how hard her fucking life is... and she HAS A FUCKING
MAID!
-AI
But this newest update they sent... is blowing my CPU util of the charts...
I can open just Gmail, come back 8hrs later (ie, going to sleep), come
back and my laptop fan is roaring like a jet taking off, utilization is well
above 50%, with kernel involved and both cores.
I don't know if it's new Chrome update interacting with SWF or something
that they (Google) did to their pages. When I run Chrome taskman, it
shows the tabs that have Google apps on them, just smoking the CPU.
This isn't flamebait or trolling... it's a fact. I've made two bug reports,
but it seems that there isn't a "me too" anywhere.
Hoping maybe one of the geek peers here might have a similar issue?
-AI
Um, you can't disprove a negative... so, anyone that is offering $100 grand to... is a fool.
-AI
Jesus effin christ... MEETINGS...
one big stroke off for the idiots running the place, to tell the
people that are really making them the money, that they aren't
making enough of it.
That, is why I'm out of the corporate bullshit circle jerk.
-AI
Except the complaint is less about his right to view pornography and more about his lack of a right to subject others to it. If the library doesn't washer to stop him, OK but make him go some place in the library where others don't have to see it.
As you are walking past a computer screen on your left..., you see
PORN!
You quickly avert your gaze to the right... guess what? No more porn!
WOWEE!
And the guy didn't even have to move. I love the simple solutions.
-AI
Give it time.
I remember a day when the Government didn't track every single thing you did on the internet on some monster database. When I could come and go between Canada as I pleased, without a passport. When my personal computer wasn't loaded with DRM software and the DMCA hadn't even been dreamt of.
It's creeping in
And I say Hallelujah brother, speak the gospel!
-AI
I live in Wilmington and here's a bit of a better article from the local newspaper, the Star News.
And for all the tin-foil hat types, you'll love this bit:
"Wilmington Mayor Bill Saffo said the white space network enables the city's police department to install surveillance cameras at a fraction of the cost of installing one using cables and other wires necessary to reach a signal."
I used to live in Wilmington and I think it's cool that we get all the goodies. (We, it's my hometown)
We were the first to try digital TV in the nation... and they just got something else cool a couple /.
months ago. Forget what, but it was on
For it to be a 'lil hick town', we had some cool shit before everyone else in the nation.
-AI
Get
Married
Period
-AI
What the hell do you think happens to them it's like when somebody dies.
-AI
Yesterday's frauds... sometimes end up being tomorrow's innovations and discoveries.
20 years ago... "We" are the only system of planets in the universe
Last week... The number of planets in the universe outnumbers the number of stars
20 years ago... Einstein thinks black holes should exist but most think he's nuts
Last few years... A black hole exists in every known galaxy
There may be plenty of lolz when all the naysayers are warming their snarky asses
by electricity generated from a Rossi invention.
-AI
4. The head of IT moves on.
5. The authentication is moved away from the system set up in (1); the new system doesn't have the 8-13 character issue. But the policy stays in place - nobody actually knows why it was brought in but it specifically says "for security reasons" so there must have been a good reason.
6. The system in (3) is retired. None of the remaining systems suffer from the punctuation issue.
In the Buddhist world, what you described is a zen koan called "Ritual Cat" (and other variants)
http://users.rider.edu/~suler/zenstory/ritualcat.html
-AI
If my goddamned phone touchscreen doesn't stop getting wonky every time the relative humidity gets above "desert" then there's going to be a hidden danger of me throwing it against the fucking wall.
FWIW, due to the economy, we have lots of homes available
to buy or rent, here in the desert.
lol
-AI
damn...
Well, if it wasn't for your stress injuries from tablet use,
yes you might have been frosty piss.
Maybe this is actionable... call an ambulance chaser!
-AI
Just bite through the pain ffs! That's how my granddad got through a full-working life! People are pussies these days.
No shit.. just wait til they find 40 and arthritis starts hitting.
Yesterday my knee was 5-6 in pain. I probably have hundreds
of pain pills from "good meaning" doctors in my cabinets. But
who the hell wants to be popping pills for the rest of their life?
So... just steeled myself and kept working. Today it's back to
normal 1-2 pain. Love winter.
Hell, my (other ex) was addicted to Vicodin, I had to threaten
her Dr to make him stop prescribing them.
Now I keep my strong pills in case someone accidentally cuts
an arm off, lol.
-AI
and get repetitive stress injuries easily (had to drive one-handed for 6 months once from lifting a beer keg into my car),
Fuck man, if you got injured from repetitively lifting beer kegs into your car...
and you're not doing it for a living, you have other problems.
-AI
What are you talking about? Good on you for having great health.
Meanwhile plenty of geeks suffer from computer-related health problems. The most common up to now has been carpal tunnel or repetitive stress syndrome.
One trip to a REAL doctor and you'll find that CTS, really doesn't
exist for people that use computers, correctly.
I can give you the number to a real Dr, if you'd like to talk to him.
I'm sure he would have loved to make the money from the surgery
on my ex-wife's wrist. Instead, he said... adjust your chair height
to where your arm, at 45 degree extension, will have your radius/ulna
parallel and about an inch above the desk surface. Buy a gel pad
for the kb and the mouse and you'll be fine in a few months.
And she was.
I had the same thing... absolutely crippling pain from the base of
my palm, all the way thru my shoulder-blade. I raised my seat,
maybe an inch. Gone in months.
If you have your chair at the wrong height... put too much weight
on your wrists when you type and mouse... you will get symptoms
that appear to be CTS and RSD... but aren't. CT scan will prove it.
Myth, busted.
-AI
Yeah... do billions of dollars in economy damage because some kangaroo fucker found a few superficial cracks.
There is NO SUCH THING AS SUPERFICIAL CRACKS AT 36,000ft and 650mph
-AI
Let's make something that is uncool, boring!
That'll draw those adhd bieber followers right in!
Btw, why are we concentrating on 3D for a group
of people that have hair covering one eye??
Sometimes both?
Face it... this is a new world, don't try to draw
someone in, to something they are not interested
in. The internet is a really good evolutionary tool.
People that seek knowledge will seek it, those
that have an interest in the computer fields, will
seek it.
Don't force the burger flippers to learn about tech...
do YOU want to flip your own burgers?
-AI