I had a great conversation in a bar with an Aussie tourist. He picked up his shit and just decided to drive around the West Coast. We talked about stereotypes... he was amazed that kids picked up summer jobs when in school out here, because television/movies just showed kids raising while class was out... not working. He also had some messed up views of american football and what we do for sports in HS.
if you have to ask this question on/. you'd better not start
Every single Ask Slashdot story gets a response like this, and it's always a jackass thing to say.
I think you misinterpreted his meaning, in this case. The GP was giving the advice that- if this ask/.er has to ask, then somebody better bring up the question- "Are you familiar w/ Linux yourself?"
Being a newb with Linux is a difficult enough step, and sometimes hard work. Supporting someone is even more difficult. This advice was buried in his maybe, somewhat, possibly, loaded question- Whatever answer comes up here, make sure you damn well get experience with the distro you choose before recommending others to use it. You are the tech support.
From the article: "any clever vulnerability at any severity might get a reward."
"We will typically focus on High and Critical impact bugs, but"...
If you're going to quote out of context, perhaps you should remove the "but" so it isn't obvious. I have no idea what comes after the but... BUT I assume it makes your statement that ONLY critical/single bugs are rewarded, false.
Yes, the equation stays the same, I agree... but that still doesn't say Intel charges less per unit for an exclusive X units than a non-exclusive X units...
That is the distinction I need to be convinced they did anything wrong in their pricing.
Perhaps this can be seen in the advertising deals.. not sure.
AMD could not manage to sell their processors for more money, because Intel basically used their cash reserves and market power to undermine AMD. Intel basically threatened manufacturers that would buy AMD that they would suddenly start paying much more expensive prices, than Intel exclusive manufacturers.
I may have heard this from a bias source, but I heard it explained like this (I'll paraphrase)
== Rebates are always offered for volume in this industry. If a company like Dell is going to order 2M units total, then 2M from Intel should cost less per unit than buying 1M units from Intel (and 1M from AMD).==
Now, if Intel charged different amounts per chip for Dell buying only 2M from Intel vs 2M from Intel and 1M from AMD - then I see that as anticompetative. But nobody has yet to make that distinction (that I've read).
It was claimed AMD got its first major OEM win (Compaq) by essentially giving its processors away for free. If AMD had sold its processors for more, they could have had the money to build new fabs, or have more design teams.
Which AMD has sued successfully over (Intel settled and agreed to pay $1 billion and agree not to sue about their splitting off their foundries).
AMD successfully got money out of Intel. That's all it means.
Does anyone have a link to actual evidence where Intel sold chips below cost? I've heard of emails where they threatened to up prices when a customer decided to not be exclusive... but I haven't seen any proof where they went through with it. I'll have to wait for the final verdict to form my opinions... you know... once the FTC actually investigates.
Right now I'll give Intel the benefit of the doubt. But I'll be disappointed if it comes to light that they DID follow through on their threats, and they did sell below cost.
IMO, the FTC should look into this to make sure their not dumping. Atleast with main PC CPUs, they charged high prices at first and then ramped the price down as the newer processes started to come online. With these Atoms, they can't charge what they cost and still be competitive.
Hate Intel for their integrated graphics, software packages, chipsets, or CPUs. But you cannot hate on their manufacturing process (which is 1st class). Your comment ignores the fact that Intel is at 32nm, which brings costs way down, and the atom is a TINY cpu compared to the core series (duh). Yield cost is directly related to die size. Looking @ the numbers below I pulled from a simple google search and you'll see that these chips (in the millions) will cost much less to make...
Some interesting numbers:
Atom @ 45nm process: 26mm^2
Corei5 @ 32 nm process: 81mm^2 (or 296mm^2 w/ gfx)
Anyways, just may crazy messed up idea. No proof what-so-ever to back it up. Granted, I'm not ignorant to the real math a science we know today. After all, the written laws of physics is what gets us to the moon and mars.:)
Reminds me of a previous girlfriend who had a theory on tickling. She theorized there were little bubbles (coined 'tickle bubbles') under our skin that popped when we touched them, resulting in a tickling sensation.
I reported a fraudulent charge on my Credit Card from Adwords. Did everything Google said to do (followed links, submitted e-form to customer service). I waited a week, replied to the "We got your message email please wait" email and finally got a person to respond.
"Please work this out with your credit card institute."
Completely agree. But, I feel bad that this student has such, in my opinion, undeserved notoriety. This is why many schools handle matters of drinking, students going nuts, etc etc in private.
It's a small lapse in judgment with big consequences.
"looking forward to Monday's embalming therapy.... Give me room, lots of aggression to be taken out with a trocar [a sharp surgical instrument used in embalming]." - Only a paranoid person would assume she meant on fellow students, as opposed to... I don't know.. a cadaver?
"I still want to stab a certain someone in the throat with a trocar though. Hmmm... perhaps I will spend the evening updating my 'Death List #5' and making friends with the crematory guy. I do know the code..." - Obviously has to do with the circumstances w.r.t the boyfriend
If taken out of context, I can kind of see where the school is coming from in taking precautions,
A simple 1:1 w/ a school therapist could unveil her mental state and possibly help her... instead they ban her (add fuel to the fire if she really were dangerous?)? Regardless- she's one of the people I would tend to block from my facebook feed... annoying and dramatic as hell.
It's a shame. What she needed was to be forced to attend counseling, not have her entire college career ruined. But maybe people will learn from her mistake.
Learn what? Last time I checked, saying "I want to stab someone in the throat" is different from:
a. Stabbing someone in the throat
b. Threatening to stab someone in the throat
c. Planning to stab someone in the throat
d. Having any intentions of stabbing someone in the throat, at all
e. Being capable of stabbing someone in the throat
I really want to take all your mod points. Quick, ban me for hacking!
Generally yes, but the intel compiler really shines by optimizing for the newer instructions that competitors may or may not have yet. SSSE3 (not to be confused with SSE3), SSE4, SSE5, etc are only found on newer intel chips. Not to mention the ones that AMD adds too (3DNow, CVT16, etc) or the differences between comparable instructions and registers (AMD-V/VT-X, AMD64/EM64T, etc). The x86 ISA as a "standard" is quite a mess.
I would assume that if Intel used the optimization flags on all products, we'd be reading-
Intel deliberately slows down AMD processors with sabotage code
Different architectures execute even the simplest instructions differently, and there is always an optimal way of performing a task. Intel can't be expected to research that for a competitors product.
No kidding. It's a large company. It isn't like the group working on this tool could just start up an apache server and host the source code to the outside world, it probably had to go through many layers.
However, if the Court's reasoning is strong, other parties will incorporate it into their arguments and it will be adopted by other courts making their own decisions.
"Daddy, why did you speed up so that car couldn't pass you..."
"Well, Son. If he had pulled up behind me to indicate he wanted to pass, instead of just trying to cut around in the right lane without a blinker, and maybe if he didn't have such a bad tint job, or a sideways hat, I would have moved over and let him pass rather than block him in behind a large truck."
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I had a great conversation in a bar with an Aussie tourist. He picked up his shit and just decided to drive around the West Coast. We talked about stereotypes... he was amazed that kids picked up summer jobs when in school out here, because television/movies just showed kids raising while class was out... not working. He also had some messed up views of american football and what we do for sports in HS.
It goes both ways!
if you have to ask this question on /. you'd better not start
Every single Ask Slashdot story gets a response like this, and it's always a jackass thing to say.
I think you misinterpreted his meaning, in this case. The GP was giving the advice that- if this ask /.er has to ask, then somebody better bring up the question- "Are you familiar w/ Linux yourself?"
Being a newb with Linux is a difficult enough step, and sometimes hard work. Supporting someone is even more difficult. This advice was buried in his maybe, somewhat, possibly, loaded question- Whatever answer comes up here, make sure you damn well get experience with the distro you choose before recommending others to use it. You are the tech support.
At least I'm aware of how to use "blockquote", and to put a period at the end of my sentence.
(BTW, I'm perfectly fine with the spelling attack too!)
At least I'm aware of how to use "blockquote," and to put the comma within the quotations.
(BTW, I'm perfectly fine if you're a Brit/Canuck/Aussie)
lappy
This one word invalidates not only your entire post, but all of your other posts as well. Here at Slashdot and elsewhere.
Also, if your children have any posts those are invalidated as well.
Whenever I see "lappy" I start singing "heeeyy my lappy toppy, whooaa my lappy toppy"
(laffy taffy)
c.) chatting with the phone, on speaker phone, in their lap.
Oh whoa, that's what I get for skimming and flaming. Thanks for the clarification (and holy shit with respect no-less) :)
Putting the whole quote together... I still don't see it supporting the OP's point... hmm
From the article: "any clever vulnerability at any severity might get a reward."
"We will typically focus on High and Critical impact bugs, but" ...
If you're going to quote out of context, perhaps you should remove the "but" so it isn't obvious. I have no idea what comes after the but... BUT I assume it makes your statement that ONLY critical/single bugs are rewarded, false.
Yes, the equation stays the same, I agree... but that still doesn't say Intel charges less per unit for an exclusive X units than a non-exclusive X units...
That is the distinction I need to be convinced they did anything wrong in their pricing.
Perhaps this can be seen in the advertising deals.. not sure.
AMD could not manage to sell their processors for more money, because Intel basically used their cash reserves and market power to undermine AMD. Intel basically threatened manufacturers that would buy AMD that they would suddenly start paying much more expensive prices, than Intel exclusive manufacturers.
I may have heard this from a bias source, but I heard it explained like this (I'll paraphrase)
== Rebates are always offered for volume in this industry. If a company like Dell is going to order 2M units total, then 2M from Intel should cost less per unit than buying 1M units from Intel (and 1M from AMD).==
Now, if Intel charged different amounts per chip for Dell buying only 2M from Intel vs 2M from Intel and 1M from AMD - then I see that as anticompetative. But nobody has yet to make that distinction (that I've read).
It was claimed AMD got its first major OEM win (Compaq) by essentially giving its processors away for free. If AMD had sold its processors for more, they could have had the money to build new fabs, or have more design teams.
What?!?! AMD SOLD BELOW COST?! GET THEM!!!!
Which AMD has sued successfully over (Intel settled and agreed to pay $1 billion and agree not to sue about their splitting off their foundries).
AMD successfully got money out of Intel. That's all it means.
Does anyone have a link to actual evidence where Intel sold chips below cost? I've heard of emails where they threatened to up prices when a customer decided to not be exclusive... but I haven't seen any proof where they went through with it. I'll have to wait for the final verdict to form my opinions... you know... once the FTC actually investigates.
Right now I'll give Intel the benefit of the doubt. But I'll be disappointed if it comes to light that they DID follow through on their threats, and they did sell below cost.
I had a Yo-Yo with a "brain" because it knew when to come back to me (if it began to slow down too much). Nothing new.
The brand was Omega.
Yes, I was probably 10.
IMO, the FTC should look into this to make sure their not dumping. Atleast with main PC CPUs, they charged high prices at first and then ramped the price down as the newer processes started to come online. With these Atoms, they can't charge what they cost and still be competitive.
Hate Intel for their integrated graphics, software packages, chipsets, or CPUs. But you cannot hate on their manufacturing process (which is 1st class). Your comment ignores the fact that Intel is at 32nm, which brings costs way down, and the atom is a TINY cpu compared to the core series (duh). Yield cost is directly related to die size. Looking @ the numbers below I pulled from a simple google search and you'll see that these chips (in the millions) will cost much less to make...
Some interesting numbers:
Atom @ 45nm process: 26mm^2
Corei5 @ 32 nm process: 81mm^2 (or 296mm^2 w/ gfx)
The FTC can investigate for other reasons... but not because they are making smaller chips cheaper than bigger chips.
sources: http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/intel_core_i5_661/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors
Anyways, just may crazy messed up idea. No proof what-so-ever to back it up. Granted, I'm not ignorant to the real math a science we know today. After all, the written laws of physics is what gets us to the moon and mars. :)
Reminds me of a previous girlfriend who had a theory on tickling. She theorized there were little bubbles (coined 'tickle bubbles') under our skin that popped when we touched them, resulting in a tickling sensation.
Fuck hundreds of years of anatomy and biology.
omg. rotfl.
I reported a fraudulent charge on my Credit Card from Adwords. Did everything Google said to do (followed links, submitted e-form to customer service). I waited a week, replied to the "We got your message email please wait" email and finally got a person to respond.
"Please work this out with your credit card institute."
Not the best experience.
C-C-C-Combo Breaker BREAKER before this gets carried away
Completely agree. But, I feel bad that this student has such, in my opinion, undeserved notoriety. This is why many schools handle matters of drinking, students going nuts, etc etc in private.
It's a small lapse in judgment with big consequences.
"looking forward to Monday's embalming therapy. ... Give me room, lots of aggression to be taken out with a trocar [a sharp surgical instrument used in embalming]." - Only a paranoid person would assume she meant on fellow students, as opposed to... I don't know.. a cadaver?
... perhaps I will spend the evening updating my 'Death List #5' and making friends with the crematory guy. I do know the code ..." - Obviously has to do with the circumstances w.r.t the boyfriend
"I still want to stab a certain someone in the throat with a trocar though. Hmmm
If taken out of context, I can kind of see where the school is coming from in taking precautions, A simple 1:1 w/ a school therapist could unveil her mental state and possibly help her... instead they ban her (add fuel to the fire if she really were dangerous?)? Regardless- she's one of the people I would tend to block from my facebook feed... annoying and dramatic as hell.
It's a shame. What she needed was to be forced to attend counseling, not have her entire college career ruined. But maybe people will learn from her mistake.
Learn what? Last time I checked, saying "I want to stab someone in the throat" is different from:
a. Stabbing someone in the throat
b. Threatening to stab someone in the throat
c. Planning to stab someone in the throat
d. Having any intentions of stabbing someone in the throat, at all
e. Being capable of stabbing someone in the throat
I really want to take all your mod points. Quick, ban me for hacking!
Generally yes, but the intel compiler really shines by optimizing for the newer instructions that competitors may or may not have yet. SSSE3 (not to be confused with SSE3), SSE4, SSE5, etc are only found on newer intel chips. Not to mention the ones that AMD adds too (3DNow, CVT16, etc) or the differences between comparable instructions and registers (AMD-V/VT-X, AMD64/EM64T, etc). The x86 ISA as a "standard" is quite a mess.
I would assume that if Intel used the optimization flags on all products, we'd be reading-
Intel deliberately slows down AMD processors with sabotage code
Different architectures execute even the simplest instructions differently, and there is always an optimal way of performing a task. Intel can't be expected to research that for a competitors product.
No kidding. It's a large company. It isn't like the group working on this tool could just start up an apache server and host the source code to the outside world, it probably had to go through many layers.
However, if the Court's reasoning is strong, other parties will incorporate it into their arguments and it will be adopted by other courts making their own decisions.
"Daddy, why did you speed up so that car couldn't pass you..."
"Well, Son. If he had pulled up behind me to indicate he wanted to pass, instead of just trying to cut around in the right lane without a blinker, and maybe if he didn't have such a bad tint job, or a sideways hat, I would have moved over and let him pass rather than block him in behind a large truck."
If the hot coffee isn't melting the styrofoam cup, it's not melting anyone's clothes.
I wear chocolate panties for the ladies.
I don't know if this was meant to be funny, or not. But I just spit my soda all over my keyboard.
the party in my pants?