For video capture under Linux using The Marvel or Rainbow Runner G, go to here. The drivers are still in an unstable "alpha" state, but work well enough to use and start hacking on. ________________________________
People are working on support for TV-Out. Unfortunately this is one of the only portions of Matrox's graphics system they did not make the specs available for.
The problem is, everyone who puts TV-Out technology on their boards signs a contract with Macrovision, Inc (they are the ones who implement the copy protection that prevents you from copying vhs tapes), and the contract forbids specs from being released (because people could then easily override the insecure Macrovision protection and allow vhs tapes to be copied).
There are rumors that Matrox intends to support TV-Out via a binary-only module, but they are only rumors. There hasnt been any official info from Matrox regarding TV-Out on Linux. ________________________________
You say destroying religious underpinnings is an act of war against the people of the USA? Have you any evidence to back up such an absurd claim? I would argue that religious influences are the last and greatest hurdle we as a nation need to overcome before we are truly free.
The day I can turn on the television and not have to hear all the presidential candidates brag about their little god is the day we will finally be starting to reverse the religious bias in U.S. government. ________________________________
Call me slow, but I just now realized that most of the moderators here, supposedly my fellow geeks, have no sense of humor. ________________________________
Fortunately, most examples I am about to list DO have portable alternatives, if you don't like their particular GUI. So I suppose it wasn't much more than a rant when I think about it;-)
Many email/news clients are GUI only, but there are quite a few mail/fetchmail/trn wrappers.
Most if not all ICQ clients out there are standalone. A portable alternative is micq.
Most if not all GUI.mp3 players would be more usable as mpg123 wrappers.
Most GUI-based FTP clients are standalone.
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I'm not trying to control what other people code on their own time, for their own reasons. That's one of the greatest things about Linux--the fact that anyone can scratch whatever itch they want. Rather I'd like to encourage people to contribute GUI's to existing command-line projects that are already portable and robust.
If all you want is a car with nicer doors and windows, don't rebuild it from scratch--instead contribute new doors and windows to an already working car. ________________________________
Whatever happened to Linux applications? I'm talking about apps that don't require GNOME or KDE or GTK or this or that--simple command-line tools that run with or without X, written in portable C, so they can be recompiled on whatever flavor of *nix you have.
Traditionally, you would have an underlying non-GUI program that was portable to every environment under the sun, and then a seperate application or script that was a GUI to wrap around the command-line tool.
The result is a portable tool that works everywhere, and several GUIs that allow users to easily interact with said tool, under whatever GUI they use.
Lately, we are seeng more and more GNOME-this and GTK-that and K-this, etc. where the functionality that is inherently not dependant on any particular GUI is all thrown in with the GUI app itself! PROGRAMMERS: Limiting your application to a single GUI is not the Linux way!
I call this abominable practice "Windows-itis," and I believe that it may be caused by all these ex-Windows programmers that seem to be flooding into Linux-land.
You see, anyone who has ever done any Windows programming knows: It's difficult, if not impossible in some cases, to seperate the actual program from the GUI. The (IMHO horribly broken) Win32 API pretty much guarantees that whatever your application does, it will do it with one and only one GUI--Windows. From the message callback system through the entire codepath through most Windows programs I have seen and worked with, there is this assumption that there will always be the Windows GUI. Most "how to program for Windows" books reinforce this terrible style, encouraging inexperienced programmers to tie the functionality of their program into the GUI.
Now these programmers are tinkering with Linux. Don't get me wrong, this is a GOOD THING! The more people that learn about Linux programming the better for everyone! But these new programmers should realize, that not everyone in our world uses GNOME or KDE. Not everyone uses X! They may even (egads!) use FreeBSD or Solaris or some other kind of *nix. If you have a good idea for a program, don't limit it to one GUI and one system.
I've seen some of my favorite X apps go "GNOME-only". I've seen apps all of a sudden not work on non-Intel systems after a certain version. For the sake of the whole non-Windows community don't do this!!!
Remember, not everyone runs GNOME, GTK and XFree on their i586 systems. Good applications are portable applications--across different architectures and different GUI's.
Patents are not necessary to ensure compensation for R&D. If some company really invested that much in R&D then they obviously have experts on hand who know how to make use of the technique. They don't need a government-granted monopoly to get their product to market.
Patents are nothing more than a legal tool used by big business to keep up their market's barrier to entry, and browbeat any and all of their competitors out of the market.
The sooner the whole system is dead and buried, the better it will be for anyone who wants to develop and market a product (regardless of whether it is software). ________________________________
There goes all your credibility. Hi-res results are what actually demonstrate raw hardware speeds. Low-res scores reveal little about the actual speed of the card, because few chips are fill rate bound at low resolutions.
Even though high-resolution game scores are a much more effective way to measure a chip's fill rate, they aren't the be-all-and-end-all of the chip's capability. I'd like to see how this ATI handles a 500,000 poly scene typical in the CAD world...
Let's get one thing straight: Speed limits have nothing to do with saving lives, and everything to do with money.
Money to the police departments and local governments, which speeders (who are law-abiding citizens) are more likely to hand over than some hardend criminal. Think of it from the police's point of view: Why go after murderers and rapists? You put em in jail, and even if you fine them you don't think they will acutally be able to pay their 500,000USD fine? On the other hand your average Jane or Joe is scared of the police dragging them away if they don't pay their fine, so they are more than happy to shell out $100 or more to the cop's coffers.
Insurance companies have a hand in this money pot too. Car wrecks cost insurance companies a lot of money, and if they can avoid paying this (doesn't matter if its done by taking away the rights of motorists) then they are all for it. Speed limits are an easy way to increase the profits of insurance companies, so they can have their way with you two ways: 1. by preventing them from having to pay up (you were over the limit, pal) and 2. by allowing them to jack up people's premiums after they recieve tickets (you're an unsave driver, buddy).
The whole system is corrupt to the core, and in the end has nothing to do with safety or saving lives. How many times (those in the US) have you seen a four lane highway with a speed limit of 45 miles per hour? Safety, my rear end! These are speed traps, designed to empty your wallet and create an atmosphere where the public fears the police. ________________________________
I don't understand all these arguments for more applications. If anything, Linux has too many applications! For example:
Doing a search for a Linux ICQ client on Freshmeat produces (get ready) 30 matches! That's right, there are 30 seperate ICQ clients for Linux. They are all open-source, and many have all the usefull features, but people, DO WE REALLY NEED 30 OF THEM?
The linux kernel programming community is a pretty loosely knit bazaar--a lot of programmers, but at least they have a single focus. There aren't 30 versions of the kernel!
Although the application programming community also has alot of programmers, they are all duplicating each other's work!
We don't need more applications... We need better applications. Instead of saying, "I want to write my own web browser," why not contribute to Mozilla instead? Instead of writing "Yet Another MP3 Player," contribute code to one of the more established ones.
Most of the pro-nonfree posters there Just Don't Get It.
Opening up Java won't destroy the language. If anything it will make sure Java remains compatible across platforms by keeping the standard out of the hands of a single company (whether it be Microsoft or Sun).
Many argue that the only reason RMS wants to free Java is so he can fork it. That's rubbish. The point of a free workalike implementation is to guarantee compatibility irrespective of a single company's shareholders' views.
Take a look at the relationship between Mesa and OpenGL for an example. Although the Mesa project cannot use the word "OpenGL" (big deal), the project is most notable for the fact that it is for all intents and purposes API-compatible with OpenGL. I don't think we'd see Mesa diverging from OpenGL if it wants to maintain its base of develpoers and users. ________________________________
We need to ask ourselves: Why do we really need a man (or woman, let's be PC for a minute) of the century? Is it really that important to pick one person and tell everybody that that one is the best/most important/etc.?
All these arguments over who is person of the year, person of the century, Time's poster-boy, whose face goes on the Wheaties box... It's all rather absurd if you stand back and take a look at it! What these magazines and writers should be focusing on is the fact that it took the cooperation (and competition) of LOTS of people to make the world what it is today... not just one or two guys.
There are some good WWW-based tax programs that are pretty good. Most work with Linux's browsers. Last year I used http://www.securetax.com/ ________________________________
"They cite a webpage that's making $18 million per day. If it's down for a day, that's $18 million they just lost."
No, that's $18 million that they never made. There is a subtle but important difference. You can't lose money you never had. ________________________________
Slashdot Mirror
I'd rather not download either of them.
A site whose only options are a 30K flash or a 100K animated GIF is not a well-designed site.
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Right, it's not the full Quake 3 source.
Think about the difference between package-devel.rpm and not package-src.rpm
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"Put down that motherfucking mouse before I bust your motherfucking hand off!"
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and you all seem to have fallen for it.
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You can get a composite->RF converter at radio shack for about $25
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You're either clueless or a troll. Either way, check your facts before you post such absurd claims.
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DRI is only for 3D support.
For video capture under Linux using The Marvel or Rainbow Runner G, go to here. The drivers are still in an unstable "alpha" state, but work well enough to use and start hacking on.
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People are working on support for TV-Out. Unfortunately this is one of the only portions of Matrox's graphics system they did not make the specs available for.
The problem is, everyone who puts TV-Out technology on their boards signs a contract with Macrovision, Inc (they are the ones who implement the copy protection that prevents you from copying vhs tapes), and the contract forbids specs from being released (because people could then easily override the insecure Macrovision protection and allow vhs tapes to be copied).
There are rumors that Matrox intends to support TV-Out via a binary-only module, but they are only rumors. There hasnt been any official info from Matrox regarding TV-Out on Linux.
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You say destroying religious underpinnings is an act of war against the people of the USA? Have you any evidence to back up such an absurd claim? I would argue that religious influences are the last and greatest hurdle we as a nation need to overcome before we are truly free.
The day I can turn on the television and not have to hear all the presidential candidates brag about their little god is the day we will finally be starting to reverse the religious bias in U.S. government.
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You know what?
Call me slow, but I just now realized that most of the moderators here, supposedly my fellow geeks, have no sense of humor.
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Fortunately, most examples I am about to list DO have portable alternatives, if you don't like their particular GUI. So I suppose it wasn't much more than a rant when I think about it ;-)
.mp3 players would be more usable as mpg123 wrappers.
Many email/news clients are GUI only, but there are quite a few mail/fetchmail/trn wrappers.
Most if not all ICQ clients out there are standalone. A portable alternative is micq.
Most if not all GUI
Most GUI-based FTP clients are standalone.
--
I'm not trying to control what other people code on their own time, for their own reasons. That's one of the greatest things about Linux--the fact that anyone can scratch whatever itch they want. Rather I'd like to encourage people to contribute GUI's to existing command-line projects that are already portable and robust.
If all you want is a car with nicer doors and windows, don't rebuild it from scratch--instead contribute new doors and windows to an already working car.
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Look at me, forgetting that slash-B. Sorry, folks--I'll hit PREVIEW next time!
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OK, so I'm going to rant a bit.
Whatever happened to Linux applications? I'm talking about apps that don't require GNOME or KDE or GTK or this or that--simple command-line tools that run with or without X, written in portable C, so they can be recompiled on whatever flavor of *nix you have.
Traditionally, you would have an underlying non-GUI program that was portable to every environment under the sun, and then a seperate application or script that was a GUI to wrap around the command-line tool.
The result is a portable tool that works everywhere, and several GUIs that allow users to easily interact with said tool, under whatever GUI they use.
Lately, we are seeng more and more GNOME-this and GTK-that and K-this, etc. where the functionality that is inherently not dependant on any particular GUI is all thrown in with the GUI app itself! PROGRAMMERS: Limiting your application to a single GUI is not the Linux way!
I call this abominable practice "Windows-itis," and I believe that it may be caused by all these ex-Windows programmers that seem to be flooding into Linux-land.
You see, anyone who has ever done any Windows programming knows: It's difficult, if not impossible in some cases, to seperate the actual program from the GUI. The (IMHO horribly broken) Win32 API pretty much guarantees that whatever your application does, it will do it with one and only one GUI--Windows. From the message callback system through the entire codepath through most Windows programs I have seen and worked with, there is this assumption that there will always be the Windows GUI. Most "how to program for Windows" books reinforce this terrible style, encouraging inexperienced programmers to tie the functionality of their program into the GUI.
Now these programmers are tinkering with Linux. Don't get me wrong, this is a GOOD THING! The more people that learn about Linux programming the better for everyone! But these new programmers should realize, that not everyone in our world uses GNOME or KDE. Not everyone uses X! They may even (egads!) use FreeBSD or Solaris or some other kind of *nix. If you have a good idea for a program, don't limit it to one GUI and one system.
I've seen some of my favorite X apps go "GNOME-only". I've seen apps all of a sudden not work on non-Intel systems after a certain version. For the sake of the whole non-Windows community don't do this!!!
Remember, not everyone runs GNOME, GTK and XFree on their i586 systems. Good applications are portable applications--across different architectures and different GUI's.
OK, my rant is done. Go back to bed.
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Troll or not, this guy is pretty amusing.
Keep it coming, Opensource Man!
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Patents are not necessary to ensure compensation for R&D. If some company really invested that much in R&D then they obviously have experts on hand who know how to make use of the technique. They don't need a government-granted monopoly to get their product to market.
Patents are nothing more than a legal tool used by big business to keep up their market's barrier to entry, and browbeat any and all of their competitors out of the market.
The sooner the whole system is dead and buried, the better it will be for anyone who wants to develop and market a product (regardless of whether it is software).
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Besides, who cares about the hi-res results
There goes all your credibility. Hi-res results are what actually demonstrate raw hardware speeds. Low-res scores reveal little about the actual speed of the card, because few chips are fill rate bound at low resolutions.
Even though high-resolution game scores are a much more effective way to measure a chip's fill rate, they aren't the be-all-and-end-all of the chip's capability. I'd like to see how this ATI handles a 500,000 poly scene typical in the CAD world...
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Oh pipe down and set your threshold at +5 if you can't take a little humor!
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What a story to bring out the trolls!
Let's get them out of the way before they get out of hand:
1. Naked and petrified
2. Above-mentioned actress open-source, copyrighted and undistributable.
3. Any combination of obscenities, ALL-CAPS, and repeated 50 times, repeated 50 times, repeated 50 times...
4. MEEPT
5. Llamas (where is that guy?)
6. Karma whore!!
7. FIRST POST, PLAYBOY STYLE!
I hope I did not forget any.
thank you.
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Let's get one thing straight: Speed limits have nothing to do with saving lives, and everything to do with money.
Money to the police departments and local governments, which speeders (who are law-abiding citizens) are more likely to hand over than some hardend criminal. Think of it from the police's point of view: Why go after murderers and rapists? You put em in jail, and even if you fine them you don't think they will acutally be able to pay their 500,000USD fine? On the other hand your average Jane or Joe is scared of the police dragging them away if they don't pay their fine, so they are more than happy to shell out $100 or more to the cop's coffers.
Insurance companies have a hand in this money pot too. Car wrecks cost insurance companies a lot of money, and if they can avoid paying this (doesn't matter if its done by taking away the rights of motorists) then they are all for it. Speed limits are an easy way to increase the profits of insurance companies, so they can have their way with you two ways: 1. by preventing them from having to pay up (you were over the limit, pal) and 2. by allowing them to jack up people's premiums after they recieve tickets (you're an unsave driver, buddy).
The whole system is corrupt to the core, and in the end has nothing to do with safety or saving lives. How many times (those in the US) have you seen a four lane highway with a speed limit of 45 miles per hour? Safety, my rear end! These are speed traps, designed to empty your wallet and create an atmosphere where the public fears the police.
________________________________
I don't understand all these arguments for more applications. If anything, Linux has too many applications! For example:
Doing a search for a Linux ICQ client on Freshmeat produces (get ready) 30 matches! That's right, there are 30 seperate ICQ clients for Linux. They are all open-source, and many have all the usefull features, but people, DO WE REALLY NEED 30 OF THEM?
The linux kernel programming community is a pretty loosely knit bazaar--a lot of programmers, but at least they have a single focus. There aren't 30 versions of the kernel!
Although the application programming community also has alot of programmers, they are all duplicating each other's work!
We don't need more applications... We need better applications. Instead of saying, "I want to write my own web browser," why not contribute to Mozilla instead? Instead of writing "Yet Another MP3 Player," contribute code to one of the more established ones.
________________________________
Most of the pro-nonfree posters there Just Don't Get It.
Opening up Java won't destroy the language. If anything it will make sure Java remains compatible across platforms by keeping the standard out of the hands of a single company (whether it be Microsoft or Sun).
Many argue that the only reason RMS wants to free Java is so he can fork it. That's rubbish. The point of a free workalike implementation is to guarantee compatibility irrespective of a single company's shareholders' views.
Take a look at the relationship between Mesa and OpenGL for an example. Although the Mesa project cannot use the word "OpenGL" (big deal), the project is most notable for the fact that it is for all intents and purposes API-compatible with OpenGL. I don't think we'd see Mesa diverging from OpenGL if it wants to maintain its base of develpoers and users.
________________________________
We need to ask ourselves: Why do we really need a man (or woman, let's be PC for a minute) of the century? Is it really that important to pick one person and tell everybody that that one is the best/most important/etc.?
All these arguments over who is person of the year, person of the century, Time's poster-boy, whose face goes on the Wheaties box... It's all rather absurd if you stand back and take a look at it! What these magazines and writers should be focusing on is the fact that it took the cooperation (and competition) of LOTS of people to make the world what it is today... not just one or two guys.
________________________________
There are some good WWW-based tax programs that are pretty good. Most work with Linux's browsers. Last year I used http://www.securetax.com/
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"They cite a webpage that's making $18 million per day. If it's down for a day, that's $18 million they just lost."
No, that's $18 million that they never made. There is a subtle but important difference. You can't lose money you never had.
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I suppose they will be handsomely rewarded...
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