Bingo, you hit the nail on the head, on both counts. 1) They wanted to can him and looked for a reason. 2) the "Big Four" are completely fucking worthless.
You want to talk open source, what if sendmail and qmail don't use the same SMTP standard?
Turning off my bonus and picking a nit here....since when is qmail open source? In fact it frustrates me a great deal that, while his code is the fastest, Dan Bernstein appears to be a royal asshole who insists on doing everything but the protocol in a non-standard fashion, and if you change the way he does it, you cannot redistribute.
Swap in Linux, IIRC, actually doesn't use a filesystem at all. It just uses drive geometry and raw bits. So there is no "swap filesystem" -- just a swap partition (or 2 or 3 or whatever).
There has been some some discussion about whether " Apple should be stressing this market a lot more than they are," among my group of friends. (I'm a longtime Mac user who had "left the fold" until OS X allowed me to be proud and happy again).
I kinda think they don't need to. They only have so many marketing dollars, and with discussions like this, who needs to pay for this marketing to the UNIX crowd?;-)
I guess what I am saying is that people who dig UNIX are going to hear about it, check it out, find out more about it, etc., all on their own, especially now with all the buzz and momentum.
hear hear!!!!! I have 2 computers, about $4000 worth of hardware. Both bought in the last 12 months. $250 upgrade. Yay!
My letter to apple: ------------------
Hey, there, Apple Folks! I've got some great ideas for ways you can gouge your best customers:
1. Take all the early adopters who bought donuts and stood in line for Mac OS X. Twice. You know, the ones out there recruiting switchers. The people trying to get everyone else at the office to upgrade already. The ones who bought new computers last year just so they could rock it in OS X. Take these people, and charge them $120 per computer for a (cough) minor upgrade only a year after they bought in! It's brilliant! They'll certainly tell all their friends about you. I personally am really looking forward to plopping down another $250 for computers purchased in the last 12 months. Thanks, Uncle Steve!
2. Hey, while you're at it, why don't you again screw over your early adopters? You know, the people who told their friends how easy it was to set up mac.com email in OS X? I mean, taking away imap would have been reasonable, heck, even webmail-only with advertising might have been a way to ease out of those nasty bandwidth obligations. Certainly making iDisk a fee service would make a lot of sense.
But nah, I really think the best course of action is to force a zillion people to either find a new email account or pay up. When you have an opportunity to launch a great new service that can grow new revenue streams for your company, I think you should instead squander all that goodwill and urinate on the heads of those who bought in early. Thanks again! You guys really have picked up a trick or two from Bill and that other Steve.
3. Sometime around Christmas, maybe after MWSF, you should really start charging for iChat, iPhoto, iTunes, and iMovie. Another idea -- lock down an obscure binary format for the Address Book, and then start charging for that a year after people start using it. $30 for each spoke of the digital hub, you know? Maybe it would be as successful as AppleWorks. That would be awesome. You could get all the little Apple-crackheads out there just shelling out dough like mad. First one's always free, right, dopeman?
Smooth move, ex-lax. I am really peeved at you today. Look up my records and see how much money I have spent at your stupid Apple online store and your stupid Apple mall store in the last year. I am really mad at you.
Boo. Hiss. This stinks to high heaven. Any positive feelings I had about iTunes 3 and the new iPods are washed out now.
Every time I think you're getting the hang of things, something stupid like this goes down. And I don't even want to talk about the.Net name (er, I mean,.Mac).
As a great musical artist once said, "Don't believe the hype."
If you're going to reply to me, you'd better be quick! My email account is rumored to be due to expire -- although I haven't been officially notified, so heck, maybe not.
Oh, and did I mention I'm a "Windows LAN administrator who bought a Mac"?
That's so what I've been waiting for -- like RedHat's up2date that makes it so easy for me to update all our servers. This is going to make the desktop part of my job so much easier.
dude actually, **you** are wrong. IANALBIUTBAP. (I am not a lawyer but i used to be a paralegal).
Libel and slander are **by definition** incorrect factual statements made about a person that cause them certain specific classes of harm (usually related to their ability to earn income).
Libel and slander are NOT applied to opinion. "Joe is an idiot" or "I don't trust Joe" is not really libel. However, the previous poster's second statement, "Joe is better than 50% of his fellow employees" -- IS a factual statement. If it is in fact **incorrect** that is where the danger lies.
Not to mention -- only the libeled or slandered party can sue for slander. (e.g., Joe would have to sue you for those statements).
I have no idea, however, what the actual relevant provisions of law are in relation to the topic poster's problems, which make me think s/he is more concerned about the company suing, rather than "Joe." S/he should definitely talk to HR or a lawyer.
I live in LA and I have got to say, I really liked the service for the 3 months I had it. This is great stuff -- i remember updating my website from my car when I was early to a meeting.
Yeah I was a Political Science grad, and then I worked for a year as a paralegal in a death penalty law firm.
When the "dot com" thing hit, and I finally allowed my love for computing to take over my life, I jumped ship and became an HTML/Javascript programmer and applied my old paralegal skills to Information Architecture. I figured, I spent a year filing hundreds of thousands of pages of documents for easy retrieval...and you know what? It worked out, and I have stayed well employed in tech ever since.
I am now a full-fledged programmer (java/c/etc.) and I find that my background in other subjects actually makes me much better suited to my duties, simply because i'm not JUST a computer geek. I am also many other different kinds of geek. It helps you to be able to communicate with different kinds of people and know something about their interests instead of just a narrow set of BS.
You only live once -- live out your passions while you still can, before you hit 40 and have kids and mortgages and shit to worry about.
ummm...i don't think this is a disagreement, maybe just more information....
NEXT is OS X. Except, that as another poster said, NEXT licensed Display Postscript from Adobe. Apple specifically made the switch to display PDF (quartz) so as not to have to pay any licenses for the technology.
Adobe however, does make the worlds best tools for authoring PDF from a variety of sources...
Yes. But to digress...considering that Mac OS X uses PDF as its display layer, ANY document that can be printed in Mac OS X can be automagically made into a PDF -- even if you haven't installed any printers/drivers/special software. Right from the Print dialog box.
Granted, you can't make them all crazy and form-like and everything without other tools (like adobe's acrobat) but if you can program on Mac os x, you can quite easily make PDF-creation and manipulation programs since it's already married to the operating system's 2d display layer and API. Without having to bend over backwards and do a bunch of low-level implementation.
wow, you're quite literate. In any case, you're right: AppleWorks comes with every consumer mac (iMac, iBook).
For the downtrodden who did not receive a free-as-in-beer AppleWorks -- on its own AppleWorks is, what, $70? Compared to $500+ for MS Office, I think I can resist the temptation of having my spelling corrected on the fly in order to save $400-odd dollars, thankyouverymuch.
I completely agree! The BSA (bullsh*t association??) always makes these exorbitant figures about their purported losses, but yeah -- if you can no longer pirate photoshop 18.3, doesn't that mean you'll just keep using your real copy of 4.0? Or that you'll use the GIMP, or a more low-end product (even one from adobe?). I don't get their figures at all.
and on your other point...Yeah I've finally gotten off of all Microsoft software, except that provided for free or gotten with a purchased machine. I downloaded their MS Office for my OS X machine, and it's just such a bloated feature-itis mess now, that I can't be bothered to even pirate it. Or buy it. I'm making do with a slightly more feature-light program that comes free with every mac (AppleWorks).
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> Iraq is downloading communism! Torvalds for president! Stallman for information minister!
Man I miss the days when dotcoms like modern humorist actually produced content regularly.
I'm very curious. $1 it is.
Bingo, you hit the nail on the head, on both counts. 1) They wanted to can him and looked for a reason. 2) the "Big Four" are completely fucking worthless.
You want to talk open source, what if sendmail and qmail don't use the same SMTP standard?
Turning off my bonus and picking a nit here....since when is qmail open source? In fact it frustrates me a great deal that, while his code is the fastest, Dan Bernstein appears to be a royal asshole who insists on doing everything but the protocol in a non-standard fashion, and if you change the way he does it, you cannot redistribute.
Source-available is NOT open source.
You're right about patent-rights-loss. But this is not a patent case, nor a trademark case. This is a copyright case.
Copyright example: Beethoven's 5th Symphony.
Patent example: A method of putting woodwind, percussion, brass, and string instruments together with a conductor in order to form a symphonic sound.
SCO's patents on UNIX have long expired. They are claiming that essentially bars of Beeethoven's 5th have been put into this new work.
Tell that to my friend. He just bought a Windows machine because of how "great" Windows XP Home is. If that's not second-rate....
It's called wget. Or curl. They both resume.
If you choose "customize" and have it install the config files, too (not checked by default) then it works with aqua by default.
Swap in Linux, IIRC, actually doesn't use a filesystem at all. It just uses drive geometry and raw bits. So there is no "swap filesystem" -- just a swap partition (or 2 or 3 or whatever).
There has been some some discussion about whether " Apple should be stressing this market a lot more than they are," among my group of friends. (I'm a longtime Mac user who had "left the fold" until OS X allowed me to be proud and happy again).
;-)
I kinda think they don't need to. They only have so many marketing dollars, and with discussions like this, who needs to pay for this marketing to the UNIX crowd?
I guess what I am saying is that people who dig UNIX are going to hear about it, check it out, find out more about it, etc., all on their own, especially now with all the buzz and momentum.
The Finder is a Cocoa application.
hear hear!!!!! I have 2 computers, about $4000 worth of hardware. Both bought in the last 12 months. $250 upgrade. Yay!
.Net name (er, I mean, .Mac).
My letter to apple:
------------------
Hey, there, Apple Folks! I've got some great ideas for ways you can gouge your best customers:
1. Take all the early adopters who bought donuts and stood in line for Mac OS X. Twice. You know, the ones out there recruiting switchers. The people trying to get everyone else at the office to upgrade already. The ones who bought new computers last year just so they could rock it in OS X. Take these people, and charge them $120 per computer for a (cough) minor upgrade only a year after they bought in! It's brilliant! They'll certainly tell all their friends about you. I personally am really looking forward to plopping down another $250 for computers purchased in the last 12 months. Thanks, Uncle Steve!
2. Hey, while you're at it, why don't you again screw over your early adopters? You know, the people who told their friends how easy it was to set up mac.com email in OS X? I mean, taking away imap would have been reasonable, heck, even webmail-only with advertising might have been a way to ease out of those nasty bandwidth obligations. Certainly making iDisk a fee service would make a lot of sense.
But nah, I really think the best course of action is to force a zillion people to either find a new email account or pay up. When you have an opportunity to launch a great new service that can grow new revenue streams for your company, I think you should instead squander all that goodwill and urinate on the heads of those who bought in early. Thanks again! You guys really have picked up a trick or two from Bill and that other Steve.
3. Sometime around Christmas, maybe after MWSF, you should really start charging for iChat, iPhoto, iTunes, and iMovie. Another idea -- lock down an obscure binary format for the Address Book, and then start charging for that a year after people start using it. $30 for each spoke of the digital hub, you know? Maybe it would be as successful as AppleWorks. That would be awesome. You could get all the little Apple-crackheads out there just shelling out dough like mad. First one's always free, right, dopeman?
Smooth move, ex-lax. I am really peeved at you today. Look up my records and see how much money I have spent at your stupid Apple online store and your stupid Apple mall store in the last year. I am really mad at you.
Boo. Hiss. This stinks to high heaven. Any positive feelings I had about iTunes 3 and the new iPods are washed out now.
Every time I think you're getting the hang of things, something stupid like this goes down. And I don't even want to talk about the
As a great musical artist once said, "Don't believe the hype."
If you're going to reply to me, you'd better be quick! My email account is rumored to be due to expire -- although I haven't been officially notified, so heck, maybe not.
Oh, and did I mention I'm a "Windows LAN administrator who bought a Mac"?
One hot potato,
Phillip Morelock
Director of IT
Nameless Company.
I thought it was funny.
This is awesome!
That's so what I've been waiting for -- like RedHat's up2date that makes it so easy for me to update all our servers. This is going to make the desktop part of my job so much easier.
What is this "love" you speak of?
dude actually, **you** are wrong. IANALBIUTBAP. (I am not a lawyer but i used to be a paralegal).
Libel and slander are **by definition** incorrect factual statements made about a person that cause them certain specific classes of harm (usually related to their ability to earn income).
Libel and slander are NOT applied to opinion. "Joe is an idiot" or "I don't trust Joe" is not really libel. However, the previous poster's second statement, "Joe is better than 50% of his fellow employees" -- IS a factual statement. If it is in fact **incorrect** that is where the danger lies.
Not to mention -- only the libeled or slandered party can sue for slander. (e.g., Joe would have to sue you for those statements).
I have no idea, however, what the actual relevant provisions of law are in relation to the topic poster's problems, which make me think s/he is more concerned about the company suing, rather than "Joe." S/he should definitely talk to HR or a lawyer.
Yeah dude seriously IMHO, getting a 1.3billion dollar buildout for what, 7 million, is a fscking DEAL as far as I'm concerned.
they get all the patents, the customers with cards who liked the service (that's me!) and zero debt.
My ricochet modem was worthless!!
I live in LA and I have got to say, I really liked the service for the 3 months I had it. This is great stuff -- i remember updating my website from my car when I was early to a meeting.
Yeeha!
Yeah I was a Political Science grad, and then I worked for a year as a paralegal in a death penalty law firm.
When the "dot com" thing hit, and I finally allowed my love for computing to take over my life, I jumped ship and became an HTML/Javascript programmer and applied my old paralegal skills to Information Architecture. I figured, I spent a year filing hundreds of thousands of pages of documents for easy retrieval...and you know what? It worked out, and I have stayed well employed in tech ever since.
I am now a full-fledged programmer (java/c/etc.) and I find that my background in other subjects actually makes me much better suited to my duties, simply because i'm not JUST a computer geek. I am also many other different kinds of geek. It helps you to be able to communicate with different kinds of people and know something about their interests instead of just a narrow set of BS.
You only live once -- live out your passions while you still can, before you hit 40 and have kids and mortgages and shit to worry about.
ummm...i don't think this is a disagreement, maybe just more information....
NEXT is OS X. Except, that as another poster said, NEXT licensed Display Postscript from Adobe. Apple specifically made the switch to display PDF (quartz) so as not to have to pay any licenses for the technology.
Adobe however, does make the worlds best tools for authoring PDF from a variety of sources...
Yes. But to digress...considering that Mac OS X uses PDF as its display layer, ANY document that can be printed in Mac OS X can be automagically made into a PDF -- even if you haven't installed any printers/drivers/special software. Right from the Print dialog box.
Granted, you can't make them all crazy and form-like and everything without other tools (like adobe's acrobat) but if you can program on Mac os x, you can quite easily make PDF-creation and manipulation programs since it's already married to the operating system's 2d display layer and API. Without having to bend over backwards and do a bunch of low-level implementation.
wow, you're quite literate. In any case, you're right: AppleWorks comes with every consumer mac (iMac, iBook).
For the downtrodden who did not receive a free-as-in-beer AppleWorks -- on its own AppleWorks is, what, $70? Compared to $500+ for MS Office, I think I can resist the temptation of having my spelling corrected on the fly in order to save $400-odd dollars, thankyouverymuch.
I completely agree! The BSA (bullsh*t association??) always makes these exorbitant figures about their purported losses, but yeah -- if you can no longer pirate photoshop 18.3, doesn't that mean you'll just keep using your real copy of 4.0? Or that you'll use the GIMP, or a more low-end product (even one from adobe?). I don't get their figures at all.
and on your other point...Yeah I've finally gotten off of all Microsoft software, except that provided for free or gotten with a purchased machine. I downloaded their MS Office for my OS X machine, and it's just such a bloated feature-itis mess now, that I can't be bothered to even pirate it. Or buy it. I'm making do with a slightly more feature-light program that comes free with every mac (AppleWorks).
You know what's funny about all the negative modding on this comment?
It started a huge discussion, and actually i don't think anybody disagreed with the original post!!!
highly regarded user interface? by whom?
i know this sounds like flamebait, but really...