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Apple's X11 Beta Updated

Posted by pudge on from the enjoy dept.

Nick Rosencrans writes "Apple has updated its X11 software (still in beta) to version 0.2 and is freely available on Apple's site."

74 comments

  1. Still .2? by TellarHK · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... What in the world could the roadmap for it be if it's as functional as it is at .1 and .2?

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    1. Re:Still .2? by Green+Light · · Score: 0

      LOL! Sorry, I used up my mod points earlier today...

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    2. Re:Still .2? by whee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, 0.5 is full implementation of the Reality Distortion Field, while 0.7 is implementation of OpenGL 2.0 acceleration. (0.6 is where they fix the RDF before Steve throws a camera and/or 12" PowerBook at somebody.)

      0.8 is scheduled to include complete integration of X11 applications with OS X, moving the X11 server running alongside Quartz, while 0.9 is more bug fixes.

      Around 1.0, X11 gets merged into Emacs, which then becomes the premiere operating system in 2004, slowly phasing out OS X as we know it today. In other words, they will have reinvented Windows.

    3. Re:Still .2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, that solves the "what to call the OS after OS X" issue...

  2. How do I get KDE to work with this? by Green+Light · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the linked site:
    New in X11 v0.2:
    Support for Gnome, KDE hints
    etc.
    I was using the first edition of this, and could not get KDE to compile (using fink). Before I waste 5 more hours of my (precious) time, does anyone know if KDE will now compile with this new edition?
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    1. Re:How do I get KDE to work with this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many people _did_ get KDE to compile with X11. It worked OK, but there were some issues. The quote from the release notes that you made deal with one problem with "hints" used in gnome and KDE.

      There used to be a "tutorial" on how to install KDE with fink, but it has been replaced with this:

      which lends further support to the viewpoint that installing KDE with fink is fairly straight-forward. It takes a while - up to 24 hours - but it works...Maybe your system is messed up in some other way?

    2. Re:How do I get KDE to work with this? by WatertonMan · · Score: 4, Informative
      KDE works great with this version. I'd suggest compiling 3.1 from cvs though. With this version I find KDE is actually faster than Aqua windows. Great. With X11.b1 I had lots of random crashes and the problem of windows/menus under the OSX menu. X11.b2 fixes all this. As an added bonus OSX fonts now show up in KDE applications. Very nice.

      The problem I'm left with is that clicking on a KDE window doesn't bring it to the front over an Aqua window for some reason. Oddly this doesn't affect non-KDE windows, such as Gnome apps like Gnumeric. I can't quite figure that out.

      My remaining problem is that I can't seem to copy and paste between X11 apps and OSX apps. I'm not sure why. A few people are left with some phantom processes, even after quitting X11. So that may be what is keeping copy and paste from working right. I'd started it using the kde window manager instead of the aqua-wm manager. So perhaps something was left running that was screwing aqua-wm up.

      Still overall it feels faster and from my preliminary testing is much more stable.

    3. Re:How do I get KDE to work with this? by teridon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is there some reason you must compile from source? How about just install the binary with "sudo apt-get install bundle-kde"?

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    4. Re:How do I get KDE to work with this? by WatertonMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      With the older version of Fink compiling against the X11 sources improved things considerably. I'd expect that if you've updated Fink since X11.app came out this isn't necessary. In my case I made the mistake of upgrading Perl outside of Fink and that screwed many things up since Fink's expected version of Perl was different than mine. I ended up having to recompile most of my stuff from scratch. It wasn't too bad. I just let it run all night. (grin)

    5. Re:How do I get KDE to work with this? by Sewell · · Score: 1

      When you're trying to copy and paste are you using the middle mouse button ( option and click as standard on a one button mouse) to paste?

    6. Re:How do I get KDE to work with this? by ernstp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, the problem is that they only have 3.0.7 as binary.
      If you want 3.1 you have to compile from source, and you really should get KDE 3.1!

  3. Downloaded it earlier today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    -Installing and running was good..
    -connected to a RH box and ran gimp, netscape, magic and they worked great
    -I like the fact that my X windows minimize under the doc and don't run inside a super X window.
    - I wish there are more preferences and a more intutive way to add applications.

    Also, Apple should add more info to the getting started section with some 2-way examples.

  4. Thank you Apple... by ActiveSX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The lack of focus follows cursor in the pretty Aqua-y WM is the one thing that really bummed me out about 0.1. Now if I could only get it for the rest of the operating system...

    1. Re:Thank you Apple... by captainsaavik · · Score: 1, Informative

      Check out the virtual desktop from codetek
      It has focus follows mouse as wel as the ability to have a pager window (think fvwm from linux days). And no, I don't work there, I just happen to really like the product and have been very impressed with their support and bug fixes.

    2. Re:Thank you Apple... by mbbac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Focus follows pointer isn't a good idea when you have a global menu bar.

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    3. Re:Thank you Apple... by ActiveSX · · Score: 1

      I hadn't even thought of that! Damn, there goes that idea. Well, perhaps focus follows cursor in the current application? That'd be okay too, I suppose.

    4. Re:Thank you Apple... by spitzak · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually I think there is a solution to that.

      The first thing I thought of was to not have the menubar change for awhile so that moving the mouse up to it over other windows does not change it.

      But now I think a much better idea is to not change it until you type to a window. Thus you can move the mouse to point at and highlight windows all you want, but the menubar does not change and thus you can continue moving to it to pull down a menu. Typing any key (including pushing down the command key for a menu shortcut) will switch the menubar to match the current focuesed window.

      Clicking on the titlebar of a window would raise it, make it have the focus, and change the menubar.

      Clicking inside a window would probably act exactly like the titlebar, if I can predict how Apple would design it. However I would prefer the apps to not raise unless the click was in a "dead" area such as blank background or anything where clicking does nothing, but clicking on a button or text field does not raise the window. In this case if you click on a button it is not clear if this should change the menubar. Anything that raises the window, including the app doing it itself, should change the menubar.

    5. Re:Thank you Apple... by anarkhos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However it is a good idea if you want to confuse the hell out of your customers.

      Is that window active or inactive? Huh? I have to move my mouse to type? Huh?

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    6. Re:Thank you Apple... by Masker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, there are greater problems than the global menu bar. The way we work around the global menu bar problem with Focus-Follows-Mouse in CodeTek VirtualDesktop is to do two things:

      1) Allow the user to say "don't change focus if the mouse is in motion"

      2) Have a configurable timer that has to elapse before focus takes place

      These are pretty standard for other FFM implementations, but are really necessary for the global menu bar. Therefore, if I have my FFM to "Not while in motion" and a delay of .1 second, it works pretty well; I can move over other windows to get to the menu bar, the Dock or Interface Builder palettes all without triggering unwanted switches.

      The bigger problem is that while we can focus other windows, we HAVE to raise the windows in the case of Carbon windows. We can non-raise focus Cocoa windows, but there are two problems:

      1) It's confusing because some windows (at least to users who don't know what applications use which technology) arbitrarily will raise or not raise.

      2) The rest of the system is strictly click-to-focus. This causes problems when you do things like select text from a window that has been focused, but not raised.

      Actually, the 2nd problem is the greater of the two. When I have two Terminal windows open that overlap, I like to be able to cut & paste between the two without changing their stacking. Unfortunately, you can't do that because when you click to select text, the mouse down event is the click-to-focus event.

      We're hoping that Apple can give us the flexibility to implement the kind of FFM that all UNIX/Linux users are used to, but right now the whole system has a different feel to it. Anyway, we do the best we can do under the circumstances.

      Oh, by the way, there are a couple of minor problems with compatibility between CodeTek VirtualDesktop and Apple's X11, but we're trying to work these out with Apple so that they can work together perfectly.

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    7. Re:Thank you Apple... by spitzak · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The timeout before the focus change was the solution I first thought of and seems like the obvious one. However after thinking about it awhile (but not really having any system to test it on) I think the idea of waiting for a keystroke to change the menubar may be much better. A system that does not rely on a timeout would be much cleaner and predictable.

      The other problem is something common to Linux and Windows, which is a confusion between being on top and having the focus. Unfortunately sometimes these are entangled quite badly at low levels in the system (X does not have this problem but new X window managers do). I can think of no other reason why Carbon has to be on top than the fact that the carbon interface to raise and give focus are the same and thus there is no way to tell the program otherwise. The double-buffered Quartz could easily emulate any graphic effects such as reading back from the screen so there is no technical reason why Carbon cannot act like Cocoa, it is certainly a limitation of the Carbon API.

      Your problem with terminals is exactly what I have been yelling about here for months: CLICK SHOULD NOT RAISE WINDOWS!!!! This has been an endless frustration as it makes overlapping windows useless. And every time I say it some moron will say "but if some raise and some don't it will be inconsistent and confuse the user". That is bull and paranoid thinking like that is going to keep alternative GUI's from ever being better than Windows.

  5. Tomorrow by Cokelee · · Score: 2, Funny

    SlashForward . . .

    Tomorrow .3 will be released.
    If it is, we can go ahead and call it a dupe.


    1. Re:Tomorrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close, but it was 0.2.1, not 0.3.

  6. what's with the new icon? by ubiquitin · · Score: 1

    It looks pretty spiffy, although the antialiasing is a bit rough... : ) Are the two X's supposed to refer to XonX?

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    1. Re:what's with the new icon? by Golias · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should almost just go ahead with three X's in the logo, as "XXX" would be the appropriate rating for hot X on X action!

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    2. Re:what's with the new icon? by inertia187 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it's a bug in Safari. Ironic.

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  7. fink and apple's x11 by brarrr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What do I need to know about having fink work with apple's x11. I have fink installed on my new ibook, but wanted to wait to see if i should install xfree86 or apple's x11 implementation.

    what settings do i set, where, and how. what are the differences between that and xfree86?

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    1. Re:fink and apple's x11 by Null_Packet · · Score: 5, Informative

      Simply install Apple's X and the X Developer Tools (I think that's what they're called) from Apple and when you compile a Fink app, it will ask what kind of X you have installed. Option 1 is something to the effect of "Manual X11 Install, Placeholder".

      Have fun! Fink also has some instructions on their site.

    2. Re:fink and apple's x11 by teridon · · Score: 3, Informative

      2 seconds on google ("fink x11") would've led you here.

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  8. Re:Why the rev change? by lexarius · · Score: 3, Funny

    Heaven forbid a piece of beta code based on open source software might require a revision at some point. I mean, if they want us to pay for this software, they should.... Oh.

  9. I'm waiting for... by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm waiting for it to reach X12

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    1. Re:I'm waiting for... by iksowrak · · Score: 5, Funny

      Poor Nigel would be upset to see it hit 12.

      "Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder."

  10. What a crock... [Re:Why the rev change?] by Xcapee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Was this a troll or lame attempt at humour?

    • Firstly the X11 thing is beta.
    • Secondly safari is a beta.
    • Thirdly, your last link is not even Apple sw.

    Given your attitude, I'd say you are too dumb or too careless to be able to figure that out.

    Q: How much free software have you released without need for revision?

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  11. well, that's weird. by toothfish · · Score: 1

    X11.dmg isn't mounting anywhere i can see. is anyone else having this problem?

    1. Re:well, that's weird. by Halo1 · · Score: 1

      It mounts fine here. If it has a weird name after downloading (something like nph-.hqx), rename it to X11.dmg and try again. If it is really called X11.dmg, try dragging it over Stuffit Expander to see whether it's maybe still encoded.

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    2. Re:well, that's weird. by Morth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like some other recent Apple downloads, this one used Disc Copy to copy itself to the desktop and then auto-unmount.

    3. Re:well, that's weird. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed this too when downloading with Safari. Safari will automagically mount the image, but then the image will somehow end up in the trash. Not sure if this is a Safari problem or 'customer misuse'.

      - Koen.

    4. Re:well, that's weird. by GnuHaiku · · Score: 1

      No, this is intended to be a feature. To change it, go to Safari -> Preferences. Go to the "General" preferences and set the "Remove download list items" option to "manual." Hopefully, this will solve your problem.

    5. Re:well, that's weird. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a known problem that occurs when X11 is downloaded using Microsoft Internet Explorer. For some reason, Exploder likes to make this file a .hqx (or some other stuffit format) file. You should be able to change the file extension to .dmg and it will be recognized by Disc Copy. If you are using Safari, it should decompress and mount on your desktop without any problems.

  12. Library Issues Resolved? by Farley+Mullet · · Score: 1

    Over on Fink's site they mention problems relating to some of the libraries that ship with the 0.1 version of Apple's X11 implementation. The download page only makes a non-specific reference to "bug fixes", and the Fink page doesn't say anything about the new release yet. Does anyone here know if the new release fixes the library issues?

    1. Re:Library Issues Resolved? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you scroll down on the fink site to where they mention the problem with the libraries, they have an update up this morning that says 0.2 doesn't need the fix they've made, so I would assume that means Apple fixed the libraries.

  13. window manager problems? by rock_n_roll_tyro · · Score: 1

    dowloaded and installed this morning along with the sdk. when i cranked it up, i did not see the aqua like windows. instead i got 3 vanilla xterms. anyone else seeing this?

    1. Re:window manager problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is in fact a bug fix, if you can believe that. You will need to create a ~/.xinitrc file that includes a line like this:

      exec quartz-wm &

      Alternately, you could edit xinitrc file found at /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, but odds are that will be overwritten in the future. Also, Apple will put up a scare box asking you to ignore your new ~/.xinitrc, why I cannot fathom, but you'll want to dismiss it.

    2. Re:window manager problems? by Halo1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Open up the installer again, do a custom install and install the config package.

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    3. Re:window manager problems? by Anixamander · · Score: 1

      Ahh, I had posted the same question a few minutes ago and now I see this answer. This worked perfectly for me. Thanks for the tip.

      I didn't get the scare box you spoke of, but I got my aquafied windows and am therefore happy.

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    4. Re:window manager problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, just download the 0.2.1 release, which fixes this bug by changing the default .xinitrc file to execute quartz-wm instead of twm.

    5. Re:window manager problems? by Halo1 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the only change in the 0.2.1 release is that the default install also installs the config package I was talking about. This config package indeed includes a .xinitrc which executes quartz-wm. If you don't install the config package, you simply get no .xinitrc (or you keep your existing .xinitrc if you already had one), which results in X starting twm.

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  14. ~ and ` key needs double pressing now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Installed beta 2, made quartz-wm my default window manager... but I need to press the ` key TWICE to get a ` or ~ character... any idea how to fix this?

    1. Re:~ and ` key needs double pressing now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you are not say in ssh when you observe that. that's what ssh will do since its an escape character.

    2. Re:~ and ` key needs double pressing now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the problem - if I set the International->Input Menu to US, it works fine. Using Australian causes the tilde key to fail.

      Now I need to figure out which configuration I can edit this in.

  15. .bash_profile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been using XonX without incident, but decided to switch over to Apple's release. I notice that it is not reading .bash_profile where I'm setting PATH (in my home directory). What file should I put PATH info into? Anyone? Anyone?

    1. Re:.bash_profile? by entrylevel · · Score: 1

      Put the line 'source ~/.bash_profile' into your ~/.xinitrc file.

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  16. Does anyone have any insight by nizcolas · · Score: 1

    on why apple chose twm as the default window manager? I upgraded last night and it took me awhile to figure out how to re-enable quartz-wm.

    One would assume apples own release of x11 would be targeted at those wanting to try out x11 without installing the traditional [read barbaric] way with the cli.

    Yes I know on apple's site it says the release is targeted at developers, but most developers who are creating apps for x11 are competent enough to handle installing the window system the "old" way.

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    1. Re:Does anyone have any insight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the terminal type the following line: echo exec quartz-wm > .xinitrc

    2. Re:Does anyone have any insight by KH · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple didn't choose twm as the default wm.

      This beta reads /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and follows what it says to do. Readme says that installer backs up the directory if it exists. But apparently mine was left intact. Thus twm launching at start-up. I just moved /etc/X11 to /etc/_X11 and everything is cool.

      For those who haven't installed XDarwin before shouldn't have this problem.

    3. Re:Does anyone have any insight by Fillup · · Score: 1

      If you choose "customize" and have it install the config files, too (not checked by default) then it works with aqua by default.

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  17. A bug - any ideas? by @madeus · · Score: 1

    The .xinit rc bug was annoying (I re-installed with a custom install and chose their configuration files before I worked it out) - particularly as this wasn't an issue in .1, but there is something else I can't work around...

    Is anyone else having touble getting the 'Applications' menu to work? I can't get GIMP to start except by starting it from an xterm and I'd really like to be able to use the menu for it (and other applications).

    I've tried using an absolute path, creating a symlink to it in /usr/X11R6/bin/, putting /usr/local/bin in my path (for that is where it resides) all to no avail.

    Is this happening to you? If anyone knows how to fix this I'd appreciate a hint.

    1. Re:A bug - any ideas? by Graff · · Score: 4, Informative
      Is anyone else having touble getting the 'Applications' menu to work? I can't get GIMP to start except by starting it from an xterm and I'd really like to be able to use the menu for it (and other applications).

      The hint you need can be found on this page at MacOS X Hints. Here's the relevant text:
      If executing applications from Terminal instead of xterm you have to type "open-x11 program" instead of just the program name. If you are used to Fink and XDarwin this wasn't necessary. To get it back to the way things used to work, add "setenv DISPLAY :0.0" to your .tcshrc file.

      So either set up the menu to use the command "open-x11 gimp" (no quotes), or change your .tcshrc file and you can then just put "gimp" as the command (again, no quotes).
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    2. Re:A bug - any ideas? by @madeus · · Score: 1

      Ah - many thanks!

  18. X11 question by Anixamander · · Score: 1

    I have the Apple X11 installed, as well as fink. Way back when I had installed xdarwin and orboros. Everything seems to be working, yet my applications do not have aquafied windows. Is this normal behavior or possibly a misconfiguration?

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    1. Re:X11 question by cplater · · Score: 2, Informative

      You will need to do a search for xinitrc, and rename that file. IIRC it's located at /private/etx/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- I renamed it to bkup.xinitrc, and then quit and restarted X11.app -- everything worked just fine. If that doesn't work, make sure you don't have a .xinitrc in your home directory.

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    2. Re:X11 question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your window manager is orbors you need to be running quartz-wm

  19. Re:not really a new icon? by ubiquitin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, it turned out to be a safari misbehaviour, in which the graphics weren't drawing properly.

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  20. My how times change... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember that just a few months ago it was X10!

    All it did back then was pop up a bunch of ads.

    1. Re:My how times change... by entrylevel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ooh I'll make a version number joke. Ooh 11+1=12. Ooh I'll use the Emacs as a punchline. Ooh I'll make a lame Spinal Tap reference (hard to do, admittedly, especially with that scene, but you did it, iksowrak). And so on and so on...

      I swear I never used to empathize with the "moderators on crack" reply, but the comment I'm replying to was by far funnier than any of the other "+5, Funny" comments in this thread.

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  21. Known problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd love to install Apple's X11 at work and home, but I need to know if anyone is having any Safari-like or iTunes installer-like problems (i.e., entire folders disappearing suddenly.) I'm not trolling by asking this. I just can't take the risk of having something like that happen but I'm very eager to get my hands on this and play around. For very specific reasons, this will be a great benefit, especially at work. Has anyone heard of any such problems or are there any known issues with X11?

  22. Remove XDarwin before updating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had both XDarwin and the X11 beta v.1 installed to try both of them. I really didn't like the way XDarwin opened multiple windows and xclock. X11 beta was a clean alternative. However, when you upgrade to .2, the config files from XDarwin get used by the .2 version. After the update, it loaded just like XDarwin. Remove the /etc/X11 directory and reinstall the .2 update. (Unless you like XDarwin)

  23. Safari Beta was just updated, too! by King+Babar · · Score: 1
    Yes, this is off-topic, but my story submission of the new Safari Beta was summarily rejected:
    Here are your recent submissions to Slashdot, and their status within the system:

    2003-02-12 20:42:59 New Safari Beta (version 60) is now out (articles,apple) (rejected)

    Whatever...in any case, you do want to go out and grab the new Beta. Fixes almost all of the bugs I reported (mostly CSS and DOM, also some random crashes), allows you to use self-signed certificates, and adds XML support (!).

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  24. X11 0.2.1 out by daveschroeder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, it's already updated to 0.2.1.

    "Installer now defaults to replacing /etc/X11, to use quartz-wm instead of twm. This is the only change since v0.2."

  25. Re:not really a new icon? by inertia187 · · Score: 1

    Not only that, but it seems to have gotten worse now that Safari has been updated. Even more ironic.

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  26. Re:Apple Laptop Keyboards Unsuitable for Unix User by psychopracter · · Score: 1

    You stupit frikkn chucklehead. (You've posted this trolling rant one too many damn times for me and what the hell, I'm whipping out the patented Wand Of Sarcasm, setting it on Deep Fry, and letting you have it.) Show me one damn in production keyboard where the ctrl key is right next to the A key. And I'm not talking about something you can order from obscure keybordz.com, I'm talking about something that ships as a standard piece of equipment. It isn't on this gateway I'm using. Nor, on my PC at home, nor on my G4 tower, and on my iBook it's actually to the right of the fn key, making it not as far left as on this standard desktop I'm using. Every freaking keyboard manufacturer on the planet is ignoring UNIX heads like you. If you don't like the fact that you cannot remap a laptop's keyboard to suit your needs, or the fact that apple has not chosen to make a laptop with a keyboard you can remap as you want, then DON'T BUY A FRIGGING APPLE! (Which was really easy for me to type since all I had to do was click on caps lock.) Whew! I feel better now.

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