Actually it depends on where you go for the job as to how much money they are willing to give you. For instance back in the mid 80's I went for a job interview in San Francisco and it went well until it came time to discuss wages. They low balled me and frankly they offered me less than what I was currently getting in Chicago by about 15K. I was in face to face conversations with the people and I asked about the cost of living being so much higher in SF than Chicago. I even had reasonable doc to prove it but that did no good. I left and went back home (on their dime both ways) and yelled at the head hunter for doing this to me (wasting my time and their time). On another job interview on the west coast this was in the high desert) the company pulled the same thing. I just do not understand why companies would waste everybody's time as on my resume it clearly stated a desired salary and my current salary. If I had known where the job really was I probably would not have even considered the job, but working at a company that does secret type work for the government I guess they can't tell you to much ahead of time.
That is part of the problem is that its too easy to get a H1B visa. The corporate idea is to get the most bodies for the least amount of $$$ . While that is OK to a certain extent it clearly sends the signal to foreign nationals (and the companies that do the go between) to get the most bodies over here. That screws up the work force here as a result. I also have seen where as much as 40K pay difference (less) for and individual. I think its a combination of corporate big wigs getting away with multimillion dollar year pay & bonuses and them figuring out how to get the little guy to pay for such extravagances. In Chicago we had a corporate buyout of 2 candy companies. The company that was bought out was promised that there would be no job cuts. Surprise surprise corporate got a slash and burn 10 percent job cut. While I feel a little bit sorry for them I also think of all the times they have put the screws to the lowly people that work in the trench's. I personally would like to see all the people earning over say $250K get a 20 percent pay cut and no "bonuses" until the company is returning say at least 5 percent to the stockholders. Then and only then would the higher ups get bonuses and then it would be limited to say 10 percent (and no options for any level).
I have had first hand experience in this area and a few of my friends have had similar issue. The company advertised a salary of $75K (for a $90K position). The interviews went really well and I was promised the position. I made a followup call 2 days later to try and ease into the position. I was told to just hang on as HR needed to go through the paper work. I waited a week (figuring HR is the slow cog) and called HR. I was told the position was filled. I was somewhat taken back. I called my perspective new boss to see what was going on (I pretended that I did not know what was going on). He was up front and told me that they had found a person to fill the position for 60K from India. I had friends who interviewed as well and they were told the same story. Yes this was (I think its called an H10B working visa, my knowledge in this area is almost zero).
I walked away with a bad taste in my mouth. Fast forward 6 months and I see an ad from the same company for the same position. I had meanwhile found another job. I was extremely curious what the situation was. I called up a friend and he informed me that the person they got was all resume and no real experience. I was not really interested in going to work for the place as obviously they did not know how to hire good people. I emailed the boss saying how glad I didn't take the job as my new job was challenging and was willing to pay the money. His return email asked what the name of my new employer was. I replied that I could not divulge this information as I had signed a confidentiality agreement. I almost chocked about 3 months later I saw him being shown into my boss's office. They hired him and he reported to me. FWIW the position is extremely difficult to find. It was pure luck that two positions open up in the same year in the same city. There has not been an opening since. Anyone now looking is facing a major pay cut and relocation (at their own expense) and with less benefits. There was one company that moved from the area to the mid eastern states and essentially fired everyone so they would not have to pay relocation costs. They found people in the new area and they were well lets say less experienced than the staff locally. They have been fumbling ever since. They just cannot find people(experienced) people for what they want to pay. I chuckle every time I get a call from some poor guy asking about the job offering. I tell them it is better to get a construction job than to relocate to a place that is essentially Siberia.
Well it could be that you are working for low wages and you do not see that people want living wages. Its been proven that companies put out false want ads for positions and the wages are about 10K lower than what the current people are getting. That how they justify bringing the people from foreign countries are willing to work for sub average wages. Companies are not dumb, they use (abuse) the system and then they give big bucks to the reps who voted for increasing the number of foreign workers. We are essentially being screwed twice once by the companies and then the government.
Wish that were true. But the number of "smart companies" is in the low 1 digit range. The vast majority of other companies are dumb and getting dumber unfortunately. The dumbing down of the american corporation has been going on since at least the early 80's (maybe mid 80's).
Well the dollar (both US and Canadian) are at all times low. If I were a betting person Steve just called up his old friend Obama and had him print an extra trillion or so. Hey they deserve at least a 20 percent tip:)
Agreed. If all these people are so gung ho about this why not burn down practically every museum in the world? If you do not want to go to that extreme just take all the pics of babies and young kids and burn them. There is a thing called art people, does photography fall under it yes. Name me one great painting that shows any sexual pictures and I would be surprised. Nudity is natural people nothing to get bent out of shape about. DAVID is a great statue by the standards being talked about here one should take it out to the stone quarry and bust it up. People get real and think before you suggest that this was pornography in any shape.
SIGH... Europeans tend to be rather lenient as far as "porn" is considered (except maybe 1 or 2 countries). The countries I am somewhat familiar with the age of consent is 14. *I* am not saying it makes it right but each country has decided what is right. Don't judge others by our American standards. As someone else mentioned nudity is natural and nothing to get excited about (poor choice of my words). *IF* the girls had been shown in a sexual situation (having intercourse or masturbating yes I would agree then). Just plain nudity is yawn tiresome.
Excellent point. I have seen various picture like that people bring to the office to show their peers their family life. Should they? Probably not but it is a poor judgement indication. Should they be kept in the family photo album, maybe. I am certainly not going to get upset about such pictures. Some families are open and not afraid to display nudity. That is nice for them. What harm would such pictures do? Even 10 years later the young teen probably could not be identified from the pictures, even if they could be so what? Family photo albums are semi private to the family they are not looked on for sexual content in any context.
Get a GRIP.... This is *NOT* a child pornography ring. It is simply young teenagers exploring their sexuality (not necessarily in a healthy way). It is not for profit, not really done to distribute to anyone outside of the group. Now if someone sent it to say a older person (over 18) and that person distributed it then it might be considered child porn (I am not an expert here) but before yelling child porn sit back and look and listen to the receivers of such pictures. Yes they were in poor taste but child porn (maybe in the strictest sense but common sense says NO).
Excellent post and.02 cents to the auditor for double checking. There have been rumors for years that NSA (National Security Agency) has been able to recover (original) data off drives that have been written over several times. I do not know if this is true or not (a side story a (long time dead) friend of mine used to work for IBM in the White House and he was able to rescue data off of used drives (much story deleted). He would not give me specifics but I trusted him enough to know if he said it happened is did happen. The only way currently to really make sure data is destroyed on disk drives is to either burn or immerse them in acid. I suggested that they be put in a rocket and sent to the sun as the best way.
I am a newbie to this but along the way someone informed me that an INTERNET RFC indicates that a TO: or a CC: or a BCC had a length max of 4096 (I think) characters(total for # of characters in that field). So are we hearing about a MS violation of an RFC? Hey it won't be the first (nor the last).
You are quite right (about how bad the world sees the US. Bush and company have set any gains we have had in the last 50 years. For that alone he should be impeached.
To get back to the main issue here there isn't really anything that can be done, IMO (that satisfies everyones concern about privacy). Since Bush and company are literally stomping out all our rights (they have done so with prisoners at Getmo. ) Personally I think we should create a devils island for all the Bush people (including him) and put a fence around it to last 100 years, just in case any of them survive past the first year. Of course no lawyers are permitted and no food either.
If you give out guide lines there will be open rebellion and clubs will for to find a way around it. I am certain that there will be an underground of kids figuring how to get around the restriction. I guess if it was put to me. I would specify all programs that the student can use and then do a random search and confiscate any computer that violated the "list". Make sure the parent understand it and absolutely no exceptions. I would also have the best anti virus software out there and have it installed on each students PC with auto checking every time the student logs on to the school network. The rules have to be iron tight with no way to wiggle out and they will try.
LONG time ago and far far away the magazine ANALOG had the original DUNE in several issues. I got caught up reading it and was really getting into it and lo and behold the magazine went from 8 1/2 x 11 format to the (5 x 7?) format. The result was that it was totally unreadable. I cancelled my subscription for 20+ years after that screw up. In those 20 years the magazine really went down hill, I was right as it turns out. The magazine should have shutdown immediately.
Anybody can sue but whether they can win is a different issue. Companies *CAN* tie you up in the courts for a healthy chunk of $$. They can get away with it as well (look at the RIAA as example). Go into this open eyed and with good legal help *EVERY* step of the way you will save your hide in the end.
Until a few years ago the low paid "chefs" (and I use that term less than complementary could not make a BIG MAC (their signature sandwich) without screwing it up at least 30 per cent of the time. So a patent will supposedly fix this "ART"???!!! . Now you go in and you can't order in English at a few Macdonalds. Will they be able to patent a way to teach their order takes English?. I can understand in Montreal or Germany but in the US? I am beginning to think its time to outsource the people to almost anyplace in the US that can teach their kids reasonable English.
I agree with you. I think the same same police department did the same thing with people that were arrested after getting invites for a free trip to Hawaii (IIRC). You have to hand it to the police department they seem to have some sort of smarts. Q: Which would you rather have fat policemen eating donuts or
Policemen out doing their job? A: The second part because at least they won't have a heart attack when they try and run after a robber.
Well *IF* this article is anywhere close to being true then the judges of the legal system (and the Congress) have got to keep up with it. There are far too many judges (etc) that are so far behind the times they can't even comprehend on how to handle this (or the INTERNET for that matter). I just can't wait for a Supreme court ruling that says because the framers of the constitution meant "this". That means that either they will ignore the issue or let the local governments handle this. This will mean KAOS in every city in the nation.
If I did not know any better I would guess that the lawyers are EX-BUSH Aides. At least soon we will also have an EX-BUSH. I would only hope the the new Attorney General would bring up most of the Bush administration on charges. If Obama does anything close to pardon them. Obama is toast and will be lucky to stay in office the length of his elected term.
I used to work in IT. As usual it depends. There are too many unknowns that we do not know about as to why the IT department mandated encryption. Having said that the laws that dictate privacy were created because everyone has become too loose with data. So it may in fact be dictated by law. I can also sympathize with the IT department as they want to enforce a standard desktop. Having a standard desktop is *NEEDED* in most environments. Too many people install games or in some cases introduce virus's (without realizing it) and the trouble that the IT department has to go through to maintain desktops is proportionate to all sorts of variables. The real world has dumb people in it and the more dumb people the more you have to protect the desktop.
The sad truth is that the state rarely prosecutes perjury. I do not remember the case specifically, but I believe the record industry was caught lying to a judge. They were never fined or anything happened to them. That empowers them to act without cause and without fear of getting slapped down.
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Actually it depends on where you go for the job as to how much money they are willing to give you. For instance back in the mid 80's I went for a job interview in San Francisco and it went well until it came time to discuss wages. They low balled me and frankly they offered me less than what I was currently getting in Chicago by about 15K. I was in face to face conversations with the people and I asked about the cost of living being so much higher in SF than Chicago. I even had reasonable doc to prove it but that did no good. I left and went back home (on their dime both ways) and yelled at the head hunter for doing this to me (wasting my time and their time). On another job interview on the west coast this was in the high desert) the company pulled the same thing. I just do not understand why companies would waste everybody's time as on my resume it clearly stated a desired salary and my current salary. If I had known where the job really was I probably would not have even considered the job, but working at a company that does secret type work for the government I guess they can't tell you to much ahead of time.
That is part of the problem is that its too easy to get a H1B visa. The corporate idea is to get the most bodies for the least amount of $$$ . While that is OK to a certain extent it clearly sends the signal to foreign nationals (and the companies that do the go between) to get the most bodies over here. That screws up the work force here as a result. I also have seen where as much as 40K pay difference (less) for and individual.
I think its a combination of corporate big wigs getting away with multimillion dollar year pay & bonuses and them figuring out how to get the little guy to pay for such extravagances.
In Chicago we had a corporate buyout of 2 candy companies. The company that was bought out was promised that there would be no job cuts. Surprise surprise corporate got a slash and burn 10 percent job cut. While I feel a little bit sorry for them I also think of all the times they have put the screws to the lowly people that work in the trench's. I personally would like to see all the people earning over say $250K get a 20 percent pay cut and no "bonuses" until the company is returning say at least 5 percent to the stockholders. Then and only then would the higher ups get bonuses and then it would be limited to say 10 percent (and no options for any level).
I have had first hand experience in this area and a few of my friends have had similar issue. The company advertised a salary of $75K (for a $90K position). The interviews went really well and I was promised the position. I made a followup call 2 days later to try and ease into the position. I was told to just hang on as HR needed to go through the paper work. I waited a week (figuring HR is the slow cog) and called HR. I was told the position was filled. I was somewhat taken back. I called my perspective new boss to see what was going on (I pretended that I did not know what was going on). He was up front and told me that they had found a person to fill the position for 60K from India. I had friends who interviewed as well and they were told the same story. Yes this was (I think its called an H10B working visa, my knowledge in this area is almost zero).
I walked away with a bad taste in my mouth. Fast forward 6 months and I see an ad from the same company for the same position. I had meanwhile found another job. I was extremely curious what the situation was. I called up a friend and he informed me that the person they got was all resume and no real experience. I was not really interested in going to work for the place as obviously they did not know how to hire good people. I emailed the boss saying how glad I didn't take the job as my new job was challenging and was willing to pay the money. His return email asked what the name of my new employer was. I replied that I could not divulge this information as I had signed a confidentiality agreement. I almost chocked about 3 months later I saw him being shown into my boss's office. They hired him and he reported to me.
FWIW the position is extremely difficult to find. It was pure luck that two positions open up in the same year in the same city. There has not been an opening since. Anyone now looking is facing a major pay cut and relocation (at their own expense) and with less benefits.
There was one company that moved from the area to the mid eastern states and essentially fired everyone so they would not have to pay relocation costs. They found people in the new area and they were well lets say less experienced than the staff locally. They have been fumbling ever since. They just cannot find people(experienced) people for what they want to pay. I chuckle every time I get a call from some poor guy asking about the job offering. I tell them it is better to get a construction job than to relocate to a place that is essentially Siberia.
Well it could be that you are working for low wages and you do not see that people want living wages. Its been proven that companies put out false want ads for positions and the wages are about 10K lower than what the current people are getting. That how they justify bringing the people from foreign countries are willing to work for sub average wages. Companies are not dumb, they use (abuse) the system and then they give big bucks to the reps who voted for increasing the number of foreign workers. We are essentially being screwed twice once by the companies and then the government.
Wish that were true. But the number of "smart companies" is in the low 1 digit range. The vast majority of other companies are dumb and getting dumber unfortunately. The dumbing down of the american corporation has been going on since at least the early 80's (maybe mid 80's).
Well the dollar (both US and Canadian) are at all times low. If I were a betting person Steve just called up his old friend Obama and had him print an extra trillion or so. Hey they deserve at least a 20 percent tip:)
First I do not think NSA would disclose anything like this and if they did would you expect the truth?
Agreed. If all these people are so gung ho about this why not burn down practically every museum in the world? If you do not want to go to that extreme just take all the pics of babies and young kids and burn them. There is a thing called art people, does photography fall under it yes. Name me one great painting that shows any sexual pictures and I would be surprised. Nudity is natural people nothing to get bent out of shape about. DAVID is a great statue by the standards being talked about here one should take it out to the stone quarry and bust it up. People get real and think before you suggest that this was pornography in any shape.
SIGH... Europeans tend to be rather lenient as far as "porn" is considered (except maybe 1 or 2 countries). The countries I am somewhat familiar with the age of consent is 14. *I* am not saying it makes it right but each country has decided what is right. Don't judge others by our American standards. As someone else mentioned nudity is natural and nothing to get excited about (poor choice of my words). *IF* the girls had been shown in a sexual situation (having intercourse or masturbating yes I would agree then). Just plain nudity is yawn tiresome.
Excellent point. I have seen various picture like that people bring to the office to show their peers their family life. Should they? Probably not but it is a poor judgement indication. Should they be kept in the family photo album, maybe. I am certainly not going to get upset about such pictures. Some families are open and not afraid to display nudity. That is nice for them. What harm would such pictures do? Even 10 years later the young teen probably could not be identified from the pictures, even if they could be so what?
Family photo albums are semi private to the family they are not looked on for sexual content in any context.
Get a GRIP.... This is *NOT* a child pornography ring. It is simply young teenagers exploring their sexuality (not necessarily in a healthy way). It is not for profit, not really done to distribute to anyone outside of the group. Now if someone sent it to say a older person (over 18) and that person distributed it then it might be considered child porn (I am not an expert here) but before yelling child porn sit back and look and listen to the receivers of such pictures. Yes they were in poor taste but child porn (maybe in the strictest sense but common sense says NO).
Excellent post and .02 cents to the auditor for double checking. There have been rumors for years that NSA (National Security Agency) has been able to recover (original) data off drives that have been written over several times. I do not know if this is true or not (a side story a (long time dead) friend of mine used to work for IBM in the White House and he was able to rescue data off of used drives (much story deleted). He would not give me specifics but I trusted him enough to know if he said it happened is did happen.
The only way currently to really make sure data is destroyed on disk drives is to either burn or immerse them in acid. I suggested that they be put in a rocket and sent to the sun as the best way.
Don't you know what MS says is true? No matter what the rest of the universe says.
I am a newbie to this but along the way someone informed me that an INTERNET RFC indicates that a TO: or a CC: or a BCC had a length max of 4096 (I think) characters(total for # of characters in that field). So are we hearing about a MS violation of an RFC?
Hey it won't be the first (nor the last).
You are quite right (about how bad the world sees the US. Bush and company have set any gains we have had in the last 50 years. For that alone he should be impeached.
To get back to the main issue here there isn't really anything that can be done, IMO (that satisfies everyones concern about privacy).
Since Bush and company are literally stomping out all our rights (they have done so with prisoners at Getmo. ) Personally I think we should create a devils island for all the Bush people (including him) and put a fence around it to last 100 years, just in case any of them survive past the first year. Of course no lawyers are permitted and no food either.
If you give out guide lines there will be open rebellion and clubs will for to find a way around it. I am certain that there will be an underground of kids figuring how to get around the restriction.
I guess if it was put to me. I would specify all programs that the student can use and then do a random search and confiscate any computer that violated the "list". Make sure the parent understand it and absolutely no exceptions. I would also have the best anti virus software out there and have it installed on each students PC with auto checking every time the student logs on to the school network. The rules have to be iron tight with no way to wiggle out and they will try.
LONG time ago and far far away the magazine ANALOG had the original DUNE in several issues. I got caught up reading it and was really getting into it and lo and behold the magazine went from 8 1/2 x 11 format to the (5 x 7?) format. The result was that it was totally unreadable. I cancelled my subscription for 20+ years after that screw up. In those 20 years the magazine really went down hill, I was right as it turns out. The magazine should have shutdown immediately.
Anybody can sue but whether they can win is a different issue. Companies *CAN* tie you up in the courts for a healthy chunk of $$. They can get away with it as well (look at the RIAA as example). Go into this open eyed and with good legal help *EVERY* step of the way you will save your hide in the end.
Safe?
Until a few years ago the low paid "chefs" (and I use that term less than complementary could not make a BIG MAC (their signature sandwich) without screwing it up at least 30 per cent of the time. So a patent will supposedly fix this "ART"???!!! . Now you go in and you can't order in English at a few Macdonalds. Will they be able to patent a way to teach their order takes English?. I can understand in Montreal or Germany but in the US? I am beginning to think its time to outsource the people to almost anyplace in the US that can teach their kids reasonable English.
I agree with you. I think the same same police department did the same thing with people that were arrested after getting invites for a free trip to Hawaii (IIRC). You have to hand it to the police department they seem to have some sort of smarts.
Q: Which would you rather have fat policemen eating donuts or
Policemen out doing their job?
A: The second part because at least they won't have a heart attack when they try and run after a robber.
No, send Tom Cruise there and (let him take the Scientologists with him) maybe they will melt Greenland with their help:)
Well *IF* this article is anywhere close to being true then the judges of the legal system (and the Congress) have got to keep up with it. There are far too many judges (etc) that are so far behind the times they can't even comprehend on how to handle this (or the INTERNET for that matter).
I just can't wait for a Supreme court ruling that says because the framers of the constitution meant "this". That means that either they will ignore the issue or let the local governments handle this. This will mean KAOS in every city in the nation.
If I did not know any better I would guess that the lawyers are EX-BUSH Aides. At least soon we will also have an EX-BUSH. I would only hope the the new Attorney General would bring up most of the Bush administration on charges. If Obama does anything close to pardon them. Obama is toast and will be lucky to stay in office the length of his elected term.
I used to work in IT. As usual it depends. There are too many unknowns that we do not know about as to why the IT department mandated encryption. Having said that the laws that dictate privacy were created because everyone has become too loose with data. So it may in fact be dictated by law.
I can also sympathize with the IT department as they want to enforce a standard desktop. Having a standard desktop is *NEEDED* in most environments. Too many people install games or in some cases introduce virus's (without realizing it) and the trouble that the IT department has to go through to maintain desktops is proportionate to all sorts of variables. The real world has dumb people in it and the more dumb people the more you have to protect the desktop.
The sad truth is that the state rarely prosecutes perjury. I do not remember the case specifically, but I believe the record industry was caught lying to a judge. They were never fined or anything happened to them. That empowers them to act without cause and without fear of getting slapped down.