I can't find it, and I've looked pretty hard. Here's a speech by him on the subject. The best that I could find was:
Some doctors may feel the need to order more tests and treatments to avoid being legally vulnerable. That's a real issue. And while I'm not advocating caps on malpractice awards which I believe can be unfair to people who've been wrongfully harmed, I do think we need to explore a range of ideas about how to put patient safety first, let doctors focus on practicing medicine, and encourage broader use of evidence-based guidelines. That's how we can scale back the excessive defensive medicine reinforcing our current system of more treatment rather than better care.
but that doesn't support the statement by the GP. Or from this interview
Well, let's take an example. And I -- they may be
represented here, I wasn't sure, but the Mayo Clinic, everybody has
heard of it. It has got some of the best quality care in the world.
People fly from all over the world to Rochester, Minnesota, in order to
get outstanding care. It turns out that Mayo Clinic oftentimes provides
care that is as much as one-third less expensive than the average that's
provided or -- or some other health care systems that aren't doing as
good of a job. Now, why is that?
Well, part of it is that they have set up teams that work together
so that, if you go first to your primary care physician and they order a
test, you don't then have to duplicate having two more tests with other
specialists, because they were in the room when you first met with that
primary care physician.
They know how to manage chronic diseases in an effective way so that
we have people who are getting regular checkups, if they're trying to
manage diabetes, as opposed to us paying for a $30,000 foot amputation
because we didn't manage the disease properly.
So they are doing all kinds of smart things that we could easily
duplicate across the system, but we don't. And our job in this -- in
this summer and this fall, in which I think everybody understands we've
got to move in a different direction, is to identify the best ways to
achieve the best possible care in a way that controls costs and is
affordable for the American economy long term.
Based on this, I'd say that Obama is right and the GP is full of crap.
See this Healy statement. The definitions of what counts as a live birth, and therefore what counts as infant mortality vary even in developed countries. the definitions are even more variable in developing countries.
Ted Kennedy, youngest brother of JFK (president) and RFK (US Attorney General and Democrat presidential candidate). Ted Kennedy was a polarizing figure, called the Lion of the Senate, famous for having driven off a bridge (killing the female passenger), drinking a lot, being liberal, and having a wicked Massachusetts accent. If not for the bridge incident, he quite possibly would have become president.
It's insightful because it is claimed that it was largely Ted Kennedy's hypocrisy of wanting alternative energy but not where he could see it (from his family's very expensive island compound) that prevented this project from going forward. flamebait and troll for the same reason, because some moderators feel that it was unfair to blame him, and bringing it up is a sore point among his supporters to stir up trouble.
I don't think that the turbines are a bad idea. I'm just not convinced that they are the right solution currently. Longer term, they will probably make sense, and so it is a good idea to do the proposed project. We'll learn a lot and stay in the game. But, economically, it doesn't make a lot of sense to transition a significant percentage of our economy to it.
1. level separation. There is no way for a bunch of lower level players to kill a higher level player (if the separation is enough, say 10 or 15 levels). Outside of a city where the NPCs are, the only defense is to group up, and after a couple levels, it just doesn't matter. So the higher level ganker is immune to any attack and the lower levels can either log out or continue dying.
2. No long term negative effect of ganking. A high level character that goes around and kills lots of lower levels should get a bad reputation. They should get a price on their head, where even higher level players can kill them for extra credit / reputation. And maybe their own guards will kill them for the money. And the stench of being a ganker should stick around for a while. If its an even fight, then fine, but other than banning high levels from killing lower levels, then some sort of other social effect needs to take place.
The sony reader sure does. and so does the Amazon Kindle. And they are allowed to come and take your books away (see the case with 1984 for an example).
You don't have to like it. But, if you don't like it, are you going to kill someone or threaten to kill someone? Free speech is almost the ultimate cultural value because without it, you don't really have any other freedoms.
Islam is a dog's religion and Muhammad was a child rapist. (-- this comment brought to you by the 'just-to-prove-a-point department').
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It's a neat idea, one step up from powered paragliding.
The question I've always had about these is: how easy / hard is it to set up for launch and clean up from landing? I note on the link that you posted that it shows them taking off after the sail has been set up behind them. Also, the landing is shown at the end of the video, and the sail flops over to the side. So, does it become entangled? Do you spend hours trying to set it up, only to have a breeze turn the thing over? Maybe it's stable once you get going, but I can see it being a pain in the ass to prepare for launch. And after you land, I can see it getting inside out, and twisted up, and becoming a giant tangled ball of cloth and string.
The shuttle was planned to stop. Constellation is a mess and should be stopped; the commission reviewing it said that it's simply unworkable. That's hardly Obama's fault.
They are not going to 'shut down NASA' in any sense what so ever. The funding was actually being increased but just not in those programs. The problem is that manned space travel is a huge money maker, so the politicians wanted to keep the funding going regardless of the merit of the programs. The Obama plan is redirecting so that the funds will be spent on research to make a good long term manned program and to support private space flight, eventually allowing them to do manned flights. You would think that the Republicans would be ecstatic at the idea of privatizing it, but 1) it's Obama's plan so they are against it and 2) it cuts (unneeded) jobs in their districts.
Why would you support a plan that simply won't work? With Constellation / Ares, we won't go back to the moon this decade either. Yes, I know it was in the 'plan', but the plan would not work (just as the commission) and so you'd blow all the money on a system that would fail. The better plan is to stop it, fund the research to do it right, fund the science and robotics, privatize parts that make sense, and achieve the longer term and more important goal of getting to Mars. That's Obama's plan.
My in-laws are blind. Going to the Louvre and Versailles with them was a fascinating experience. The museum personnel, realizing that they were blind, would lead them (and me since I was leading them) past the ropes, and we would get to go and touch everything. Yes, they got to touch some of the (less famous) sculptures. My father-in-law distinctly groped the boobs on one of the them, which gave us (the guard, me, and my father-in-law) a good laugh. My mother-in-law of course figured out what he was doing and told him to stop it.
My father-in-law claims that he had touched art forms before and it didn't do anything for him. So, I'm skeptical about this. A pornographic braille book, on the other hand, seems more up their alley.
Yes, I have odd conversations with my in-laws. They are rather 'open'. Ugh. They say the only thing funnier (and louder) than blind people having sex is deaf people having sex.
No, humans split from other apes (gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans) long before this.
These guys are IMHO cousins in a branch that died out. Think of it as a branching tree, one branch of which are humans as we know today, other apes are other branches. If you move back in time towards the root of the tree, our branch meets up with the other ape branches. This creature is from a branch that came off of our branch after the split with other apes, and then for some reason their branch stopped. The real questions are how far back down the branch was the split, and how far out on their branch were they.
It's all about the algorithms, data structures, and theory.
I'm annoyed when I see CS graduates who have never heard of source control, bug tracking systems, continuous integration, unit testing, haven't learned how to debug their programs, don't have any idea how to write comments, how to draw a UML diagram (of any kind), or work as part of a team. But, damn, they know their doubly-linked lists! I think that there should be a class that teaches people some of the basics about how to be a programmer in real life.
No, this should not be on-the-job training. It's part and parcel of being a developer in the real world. You don't need to know the intricacies of git, or how to deploy Hudson. But, you have to have some of the basic concepts taught to you in a 'here's why these things matter' fashion. Otherwise, the young developer is going to be breaking things for a long time.
That said, you'll need to know some languages backwards and forwards. At least a general-purpose language (C, C++, Java, Go, etc) and a scripting language (Python, Perl, etc). Definitely learn how to do parallel programming in some of them. Also regular expressions: built-in to many languages and accessible from the rest.
Yes, I would hope that these should be part of a normal modern CS curriculum.
"Now that I've caught you, Perry the Platypus, I will reveal my cunning plan. I have bought all the cigarettes in the Tri-State Area! I will smoke them and take the uranium to make a nuclear weapon!...[5 years later]...[gasp, gasp]... Almost done...one more smoke..[wheeze]. Done! [collapses and dies]"
People who study historical records, geological strata, human migratorial patterns, etc. . You know. Scientists.
In other words, 3-4 organizations including two organizations with bias problems, the CRU and NASA's GISS. Everyone else is just providing data.
No, there are entire areas of science dedicated to understanding geological strata, history, human migration, etc. It is not primarily CRU and NASA. For example, here's a conference on human migration. And it is not primarily based on CRU and NASA. In fact, they don't seem to be involved at all. However, these guys are.
Actually, this conference is probably more up your alley.
“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes” -- Mark Twain (or Terry Pratchett:-)
Scientific truth (actually a strongly supported scientific conclusion in this case) is not easy to defend. Science is hard and messy. And it's really hard to defend when the other side has no scruples.
IF this was true, then we would not need to "worry about the denialists" about the cause of AIDS, where humans came from, (or, from the past) whether you should have lead in your gas, the effects of smoking, and a host of other issues.
There are issues where there is a hardened set of people that believe something contrary to the scientific evidence and will take pretty much any path to defeating the evidence, including quoting out of context, misrepresenting the data, pointing out any scientific discussion or disagreement as catastrophic to the science, and basically being disruptive. Climate change is one of those issues; to the majority of scientists in the area, the evidence seems overwhelming, but people outside have neither the knowledge or interest to get into the technical details, so they go with what people that they generally agree with tell them.
I am more familiar with the creation / evolution debates. Prominent people are constantly being attacked by dishonest people. They tend to become either more strident or clam up on themselves.
If you patented a breathalyzer, would you call it a patent on alcohol?
No, but if the patent was written such that any test that detected alcohol would violate the patent, then it would be a patent on alcohol. That's my understanding of Myriad's patent and assertions about it. There is simply no way to create another test for BRCA2-based cancer that does not violate the patent, using any method. That's why the patent is broken and should be thrown out.
FTFA: "The patents granted to Myriad give the company the exclusive right to perform diagnostic tests on the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes and to prevent any researcher from even looking at the genes without first getting permission from Myriad."
That's operationally a patent on the genes, and in your analogy, it would be essentially a patent on alcohol testing of any kind.
My most recent use was in prepping to go to Disney World. Disney has loaded Sketchup models of the rides of their parks. I could see where we were staying, and how to get to the park, and zoom around
Maybe much of the functionality could have been done in Google Maps, but it is definitely not the same experience.
Dude, I've got a 16G World of Warcraft directory! And a 5G music collection. And a couple of movies at several gigs for when I'm traveling (can't use DVD on plane, it dies too quickly). And a couple of gigs of pictures and videos from the phone. I've got at least 8G of development and testing work stuff (VS, and Eclipse, plus Tomcat, several database programs, log files, build and test directories, etc). I've got all the reports, documents, and presentations I've given for the past couple of years, in multiple versions (2 G). All told I've got 70G of 'stuff' that I don't really want to go delete, because it's just so convenient.
So, it depends on the user. For the average slashdot user, I'd say 30G is too small currently. 100 G feels about right, so you can have the stuff you need, and still defrag.
School is primarily about academics, but not exclusively. The ability to appreciate art, get involved in student politics, understand music, question the world, socialize, operate as part of a team, and, yes, engage in sports, if desired, are important parts of being a well rounded human being.
I simply don't believe that it is an either/or proposition. A teenager can't spend all day, every day studying; their bodies are growing and physical activity is necessary. I think that many students without some sort of organized sports activity will be deeply unhappy and consequently their academics will suffer. Their performance will, in fact, be worse for not being able to engage in sports. We had P.E. in high school but only in freshman and sophomore years. It is not enough for many kids, and I know it was not enough for me. I would have gone nuts. As it was, I was able to do sports and do the physical activity (of my choosing) that allowed me to study and do well.
The idea that school is for only one thing is absurd. It's not just sports that pushed to the side when school starts too late; it's every activity that does not occur during prime school hours. My children do the school play, take art classes, do scouts, take dance classes, take piano or violin classes, enter the science fair, and just play. They can only do that because school ends at 3:30. If it ended a 5, they could not, and they would be poorer people because of it; they only do these things because that's what they want to do, each of them to their own activities. My oldest does lighting and stage design, and only got into that because the school play was available after school.
That's not to say that a later school day would not be better for them academically. Just that it needs to be balanced against their other activities, and so rescheduling needs to happen. Having scouts in the morning one day a week, say 8:30 to 10 would work. It's not clear that this works for everything they want to do.
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The web is NOT the internet. (Though sadly it essentially has become so, nowadays.)
Hardly. Most traffic is bittorrent and email (mostly spam).
Apparently that was true two years ago, but not any more.
The number one user of traffic is video streaming (porn, youtube (and similar ilk), netflix, etc.) and music streaming.
Some doctors may feel the need to order more tests and treatments to avoid being legally vulnerable. That's a real issue. And while I'm not advocating caps on malpractice awards which I believe can be unfair to people who've been wrongfully harmed, I do think we need to explore a range of ideas about how to put patient safety first, let doctors focus on practicing medicine, and encourage broader use of evidence-based guidelines. That's how we can scale back the excessive defensive medicine reinforcing our current system of more treatment rather than better care.
but that doesn't support the statement by the GP. Or from this interview
Well, let's take an example. And I -- they may be represented here, I wasn't sure, but the Mayo Clinic, everybody has heard of it. It has got some of the best quality care in the world. People fly from all over the world to Rochester, Minnesota, in order to get outstanding care. It turns out that Mayo Clinic oftentimes provides care that is as much as one-third less expensive than the average that's provided or -- or some other health care systems that aren't doing as good of a job. Now, why is that? Well, part of it is that they have set up teams that work together so that, if you go first to your primary care physician and they order a test, you don't then have to duplicate having two more tests with other specialists, because they were in the room when you first met with that primary care physician. They know how to manage chronic diseases in an effective way so that we have people who are getting regular checkups, if they're trying to manage diabetes, as opposed to us paying for a $30,000 foot amputation because we didn't manage the disease properly. So they are doing all kinds of smart things that we could easily duplicate across the system, but we don't. And our job in this -- in this summer and this fall, in which I think everybody understands we've got to move in a different direction, is to identify the best ways to achieve the best possible care in a way that controls costs and is affordable for the American economy long term.
Based on this, I'd say that Obama is right and the GP is full of crap.
See this Healy statement. The definitions of what counts as a live birth, and therefore what counts as infant mortality vary even in developed countries. the definitions are even more variable in developing countries.
Ted Kennedy, youngest brother of JFK (president) and RFK (US Attorney General and Democrat presidential candidate). Ted Kennedy was a polarizing figure, called the Lion of the Senate, famous for having driven off a bridge (killing the female passenger), drinking a lot, being liberal, and having a wicked Massachusetts accent. If not for the bridge incident, he quite possibly would have become president.
It's insightful because it is claimed that it was largely Ted Kennedy's hypocrisy of wanting alternative energy but not where he could see it (from his family's very expensive island compound) that prevented this project from going forward. flamebait and troll for the same reason, because some moderators feel that it was unfair to blame him, and bringing it up is a sore point among his supporters to stir up trouble.
Because it will cost more than other options.
I don't think that the turbines are a bad idea. I'm just not convinced that they are the right solution currently. Longer term, they will probably make sense, and so it is a good idea to do the proposed project. We'll learn a lot and stay in the game. But, economically, it doesn't make a lot of sense to transition a significant percentage of our economy to it.
The problems with this are:
1. level separation. There is no way for a bunch of lower level players to kill a higher level player (if the separation is enough, say 10 or 15 levels). Outside of a city where the NPCs are, the only defense is to group up, and after a couple levels, it just doesn't matter. So the higher level ganker is immune to any attack and the lower levels can either log out or continue dying.
2. No long term negative effect of ganking. A high level character that goes around and kills lots of lower levels should get a bad reputation. They should get a price on their head, where even higher level players can kill them for extra credit / reputation. And maybe their own guards will kill them for the money. And the stench of being a ganker should stick around for a while. If its an even fight, then fine, but other than banning high levels from killing lower levels, then some sort of other social effect needs to take place.
Try reading "A Canticle for Leibowitz" and meditate on the fate of Rachel.
Of course, that's about the nuclear apocalypse and not about having a second head really. For more general reading, try 'Frankenstein'.
Verizon FIOS is testing dual stacks. Comcast is testing approaches as well. This is all hyperbole.
FIOS is also running tests for how to support. See FIOS and Dual Stack
The sony reader sure does. and so does the Amazon Kindle. And they are allowed to come and take your books away (see the case with 1984 for an example).
You don't have to like it. But, if you don't like it, are you going to kill someone or threaten to kill someone? Free speech is almost the ultimate cultural value because without it, you don't really have any other freedoms.
Islam is a dog's religion and Muhammad was a child rapist. (-- this comment brought to you by the 'just-to-prove-a-point department').
It's a neat idea, one step up from powered paragliding.
The question I've always had about these is: how easy / hard is it to set up for launch and clean up from landing? I note on the link that you posted that it shows them taking off after the sail has been set up behind them. Also, the landing is shown at the end of the video, and the sail flops over to the side. So, does it become entangled? Do you spend hours trying to set it up, only to have a breeze turn the thing over? Maybe it's stable once you get going, but I can see it being a pain in the ass to prepare for launch. And after you land, I can see it getting inside out, and twisted up, and becoming a giant tangled ball of cloth and string.
The shuttle was planned to stop. Constellation is a mess and should be stopped; the commission reviewing it said that it's simply unworkable. That's hardly Obama's fault.
They are not going to 'shut down NASA' in any sense what so ever. The funding was actually being increased but just not in those programs. The problem is that manned space travel is a huge money maker, so the politicians wanted to keep the funding going regardless of the merit of the programs. The Obama plan is redirecting so that the funds will be spent on research to make a good long term manned program and to support private space flight, eventually allowing them to do manned flights. You would think that the Republicans would be ecstatic at the idea of privatizing it, but 1) it's Obama's plan so they are against it and 2) it cuts (unneeded) jobs in their districts.
Why would you support a plan that simply won't work? With Constellation / Ares, we won't go back to the moon this decade either. Yes, I know it was in the 'plan', but the plan would not work (just as the commission) and so you'd blow all the money on a system that would fail. The better plan is to stop it, fund the research to do it right, fund the science and robotics, privatize parts that make sense, and achieve the longer term and more important goal of getting to Mars. That's Obama's plan.
My in-laws are blind. Going to the Louvre and Versailles with them was a fascinating experience. The museum personnel, realizing that they were blind, would lead them (and me since I was leading them) past the ropes, and we would get to go and touch everything. Yes, they got to touch some of the (less famous) sculptures. My father-in-law distinctly groped the boobs on one of the them, which gave us (the guard, me, and my father-in-law) a good laugh. My mother-in-law of course figured out what he was doing and told him to stop it.
My father-in-law claims that he had touched art forms before and it didn't do anything for him. So, I'm skeptical about this. A pornographic braille book, on the other hand, seems more up their alley.
Yes, I have odd conversations with my in-laws. They are rather 'open'. Ugh. They say the only thing funnier (and louder) than blind people having sex is deaf people having sex.
No, humans split from other apes (gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans) long before this.
These guys are IMHO cousins in a branch that died out. Think of it as a branching tree, one branch of which are humans as we know today, other apes are other branches. If you move back in time towards the root of the tree, our branch meets up with the other ape branches. This creature is from a branch that came off of our branch after the split with other apes, and then for some reason their branch stopped. The real questions are how far back down the branch was the split, and how far out on their branch were they.
It's all about the algorithms, data structures, and theory.
I'm annoyed when I see CS graduates who have never heard of source control, bug tracking systems, continuous integration, unit testing, haven't learned how to debug their programs, don't have any idea how to write comments, how to draw a UML diagram (of any kind), or work as part of a team. But, damn, they know their doubly-linked lists! I think that there should be a class that teaches people some of the basics about how to be a programmer in real life.
No, this should not be on-the-job training. It's part and parcel of being a developer in the real world. You don't need to know the intricacies of git, or how to deploy Hudson. But, you have to have some of the basic concepts taught to you in a 'here's why these things matter' fashion. Otherwise, the young developer is going to be breaking things for a long time.
That said, you'll need to know some languages backwards and forwards. At least a general-purpose language (C, C++, Java, Go, etc) and a scripting language (Python, Perl, etc). Definitely learn how to do parallel programming in some of them. Also regular expressions: built-in to many languages and accessible from the rest.
Yes, I would hope that these should be part of a normal modern CS curriculum.
"Now that I've caught you, Perry the Platypus, I will reveal my cunning plan. I have bought all the cigarettes in the Tri-State Area! I will smoke them and take the uranium to make a nuclear weapon! ...[5 years later]...[gasp, gasp] ... Almost done...one more smoke..[wheeze]. Done! [collapses and dies]"
[shift to the boys creating a device]
"Oh, there you are Perry!"
People who study historical records, geological strata, human migratorial patterns, etc. . You know. Scientists.
In other words, 3-4 organizations including two organizations with bias problems, the CRU and NASA's GISS. Everyone else is just providing data.
No, there are entire areas of science dedicated to understanding geological strata, history, human migration, etc. It is not primarily CRU and NASA. For example, here's a conference on human migration. And it is not primarily based on CRU and NASA. In fact, they don't seem to be involved at all. However, these guys are.
Actually, this conference is probably more up your alley.
Truth should be easy to defend.
“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes” -- Mark Twain (or Terry Pratchett :-)
Scientific truth (actually a strongly supported scientific conclusion in this case) is not easy to defend. Science is hard and messy. And it's really hard to defend when the other side has no scruples.
IF this was true, then we would not need to "worry about the denialists" about the cause of AIDS, where humans came from, (or, from the past) whether you should have lead in your gas, the effects of smoking, and a host of other issues.
There are issues where there is a hardened set of people that believe something contrary to the scientific evidence and will take pretty much any path to defeating the evidence, including quoting out of context, misrepresenting the data, pointing out any scientific discussion or disagreement as catastrophic to the science, and basically being disruptive. Climate change is one of those issues; to the majority of scientists in the area, the evidence seems overwhelming, but people outside have neither the knowledge or interest to get into the technical details, so they go with what people that they generally agree with tell them.
I am more familiar with the creation / evolution debates. Prominent people are constantly being attacked by dishonest people. They tend to become either more strident or clam up on themselves.
Do away with drug patents and you won't see cheaper drugs, you'll see more expensive drugs, and a rapid halt of forward progress.
The case is not proposing doing away with drug patents. They are an invention, and therefore patentable.
If you patented a breathalyzer, would you call it a patent on alcohol?
No, but if the patent was written such that any test that detected alcohol would violate the patent, then it would be a patent on alcohol. That's my understanding of Myriad's patent and assertions about it. There is simply no way to create another test for BRCA2-based cancer that does not violate the patent, using any method. That's why the patent is broken and should be thrown out.
FTFA: "The patents granted to Myriad give the company the exclusive right to perform diagnostic tests on the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes and to prevent any researcher from even looking at the genes without first getting permission from Myriad."
That's operationally a patent on the genes, and in your analogy, it would be essentially a patent on alcohol testing of any kind.
My most recent use was in prepping to go to Disney World. Disney has loaded Sketchup models of the rides of their parks. I could see where we were staying, and how to get to the park, and zoom around
Maybe much of the functionality could have been done in Google Maps, but it is definitely not the same experience.
Dude, I've got a 16G World of Warcraft directory! And a 5G music collection. And a couple of movies at several gigs for when I'm traveling (can't use DVD on plane, it dies too quickly). And a couple of gigs of pictures and videos from the phone. I've got at least 8G of development and testing work stuff (VS, and Eclipse, plus Tomcat, several database programs, log files, build and test directories, etc). I've got all the reports, documents, and presentations I've given for the past couple of years, in multiple versions (2 G). All told I've got 70G of 'stuff' that I don't really want to go delete, because it's just so convenient.
So, it depends on the user. For the average slashdot user, I'd say 30G is too small currently. 100 G feels about right, so you can have the stuff you need, and still defrag.
School is primarily about academics, but not exclusively. The ability to appreciate art, get involved in student politics, understand music, question the world, socialize, operate as part of a team, and, yes, engage in sports, if desired, are important parts of being a well rounded human being.
I simply don't believe that it is an either/or proposition. A teenager can't spend all day, every day studying; their bodies are growing and physical activity is necessary. I think that many students without some sort of organized sports activity will be deeply unhappy and consequently their academics will suffer. Their performance will, in fact, be worse for not being able to engage in sports. We had P.E. in high school but only in freshman and sophomore years. It is not enough for many kids, and I know it was not enough for me. I would have gone nuts. As it was, I was able to do sports and do the physical activity (of my choosing) that allowed me to study and do well.
The idea that school is for only one thing is absurd. It's not just sports that pushed to the side when school starts too late; it's every activity that does not occur during prime school hours. My children do the school play, take art classes, do scouts, take dance classes, take piano or violin classes, enter the science fair, and just play. They can only do that because school ends at 3:30. If it ended a 5, they could not, and they would be poorer people because of it; they only do these things because that's what they want to do, each of them to their own activities. My oldest does lighting and stage design, and only got into that because the school play was available after school.
That's not to say that a later school day would not be better for them academically. Just that it needs to be balanced against their other activities, and so rescheduling needs to happen. Having scouts in the morning one day a week, say 8:30 to 10 would work. It's not clear that this works for everything they want to do.