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South Park's Episode 201 — the Expurgated Version
Yesterday we mentioned the controversy facing Matt Stone and Trey Parker after last week's South Park (episode 200) depicted Muhammad, founder of Islam, concealed in a bear suit.
Today, penguinman1337 writes "Apparently, all is not well over at Comedy Central. The heavily censored version of episode 201 that aired last night has a lot of people angry, including the show's creators." From their note: "In the 14 years we've been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldn't stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasn't some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps."
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They Censored a South Park Episode? Stop the presses. No one has ever done that before!
The manatees will stop working if even 1 idea ball is removed
There is no knee-jerk but knee-jerk and jerks are its prophets.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Honestly, Trey Parker and Matt Stone basically prop up Comedy Central. They only have, what, 3 shows that are really big? The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and South Park. South Park seems to be the top even in that category. Comedy Central needs them more than the other way around. Hell South Park has enough following that it could be profitably distributed as a web series and still make plenty of money from ads and merchandise sales.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
fuck Muhammad. Or I should say, fuck the people that take following his dumb ass so seriously.
Ah, comedy central has made it clear that in response to death threats, they'll censor themselves. I'm sure that will be the last time religious nuts get their panties in a twist and threaten them with violence because they're angry. After all, religious fundamentalism goes hand in hand with being reasonable.
Wonder if we'll ever see Colbert gagged because some right-wing "hutatree" terrorist realized they were being made fun of...
I am more than a little tired of this crap of "Oh we have to be culturally sensitive towards the Muslims." No, we don't. We don't need to be culturally sensitive to anyone. I liked Philip Pullman's talk about this general idea when he said "No one has the right to live without being shocked, no one has the right to spend their life without being offended." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ3VcbAfd4w&feature=player_embedded).
The media needs to learn that about the Muslims as well. They aren't a special group any more than Christians or Atheists or anyone else. If they want to get whiny about people making fun of them the answer needs to be "Shut up, nobody cares," and then go back to making fun.
A very important part of free speech is the ability to make fun of things, including, maybe even especially, the things people hold sacred.
The heavily censored version of episode 201 that aired last night has a lot of people angry, including the show's creators.
The terrorists have won.
Censoring South Park in this manner only serves to justify the terrorist's methods, and makes the show unwatchable.
Did anyone else read that and think why would Comedy Central bleep the ending? It sounds like maybe they are stirring up their own controversy
Come get me you extremist fucktards.
How we know is more important than what we know.
And this is what happens when you let terrorists censor you.
This kind of draconian censorship is unacceptable. Go tell Comedy Central why you'll no longer be watching:
http://www.comedycentral.com/help/questionsCC.jhtml
Muslims told everyone else how to behave and what they are allowed to say?
You don't say?
I thought it was a coincidence that many of the most theocratic, oppressive, and evil regimes justify their existence with Islam.
This was of course the point of the South Park episode. They insulted every religion in the world in that episode, and only one threatened violence and managed to get their bit censored. It's 2010 and Islam is stuck in the 1300s. It's impact on the world is violent, pushy, and fascist.
To me this smells like one giant PR stunt.
What Comedy Central did was absolutely pathetic. Parker & Stone had already self-censored the episode by not actually showing any pictures of Muhammad and the way they did it was absolutely hilarious. But apparently you can't even speak the work "Muhammad" on Comedy Central. That Comedy Central allows them to ridicule anything and everything - any and all other religions are open game - but when it comes to anything Islam-related suddenly there's a whole new set of rules. Hypocrisy and cowardice at its finest.
I hope that the uncensored version makes its way out soon.
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In Soviet Russia, they censor the terrorists
In America, the terrorists censor you
We need someone from the inside to wiki-leak it.
This morning I heard "so who is really to blame? The creators of south park who write the offensive satire or those who are making the threats of possible violence and death? Well, obviously those making threats are wrong, but what about the creators?"
So lets see, at least in the United States of America we have the beleif of "Freedom of Speech" right? That means we can dissent when we feel especially strong about something.
So I figure, for anyone who says "the creators are wrong in their satire" just opens the door for "those hippies supporting marijuana" (Viva Marijuana was the sign I saw this morning on the way to work) to also be "censored."
Oh but that's totally different right? Lets move to 'scientology.' Why should they not be allowed to censor people? Political groups? Schools? Religions with abuse scandals? Where/when do we stop censoring?
The best and most straightforward argument I have heard regarding this is:
"South Park has made fun of Christians, Jews, people of different ethnicities and organizations. But none other than the Muslims have threatened violence before." That should tell us where the real problem lies.
From my point of view, when I first saw South Park I was offended (Jesus Christ Vs. Santa Claus). But as time passed and I gave it a chance... eventually viewing it when it came on Comedy Central I enjoyed it. As a matter of fact, I regularly recommend it to people when key issues come up. Such as their red cross/catholic scandal episode.
Finally, what happened with Issac Hayes was tragic but eye opening. He shows that "I can be part of something (great) that covers a lot of subjects - that consequently offend everyone at some point or other, as long as it doesn't offend me or my beliefs."
My abilities are only limited by my imagination
I infer from that that those who enjoy christian-bashing would quit if the christians started being equally forgiving as followers of Islam are.
Well, I live in Finland, and http://www.southparkstudios.com/news/3878 gets redirected to some .fi site which just gives an error "Due to copyright and other legal reasons, South Park video content cannot be viewed outside the United States.". So basically I can't even read their news section or TFA. Anyone have a mirror?
To open the floodgates that allow your country to be pushed around by psychotic religious fundies in this manner is unacceptable.
Comedy Central has proved through this action that they believe the American People should bend to the will of a terrorist organization who will threaten them for treating them just like everyone else in the world.
Shame on you.
Another religious Southern white dude ruins America. Shocker. At least this one isn't president.
"I guess the moral of the story is, don't paint your airship with rocket fuel." -- Addison Bain
The fact that Comedy Central engages in censorship should surprise no one. After all, how many major newspapers in the U.S reprinted the Jyllands-Posten Muhammed cartoons? Not many. And they refused to print the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons out of fear of what the Muslims would do.
Know him? He was stabbed to death in the early nineties. He was also the Japanese translator for "The Satanic Versus". The Italian translator was stabbed but I believed he survived. Two book stores were bombed in Berkeley because of "The Satanic Versus".
Bottom line is that if they live up to their threats they go after everybody. So to say that people at Comedy Central, or perhaps even cable companies who broadcast Comedy Central are expected to put their lives on the line for South Park is just asking way too much...if "they" live up to their threats.
But that's the American way, isn't it...let the other person give up their life for my uncensored South Park viewing benefit.
sigh...
Matt and Trey should make another episode where all the characters start using the name Muhammad as a generic nickname, like dude, and they all call each other Muhammad. Then they should introduce a bunch of random characters as the episode goes on, and one of them is inconspicuously the 'real' Muhammad, but they never say who it is. That should pretty much force Comedy Central to either censor the entire episode or admit what they did was stupid.
Islam is just a particularly stupid and virulent version of it.
What's more, they've even depicted Muhammad before!! In the episode Super Best Friends. It boggles the mind that followers of a religion of love can be so hateful over something so mind-bogglingly ridiculous.
Comedy Central censors a bit about intimidation and fear ... because Comedy Central is afraid of the intimidation by groups claiming offense by other material in that episode.
The next best bit was whether they could depict Mohammad if the depiction was depicted inside a depiction of a truck.
They have sucked in the past, but this was pure genius.
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If any of you have actually read koran, you will know - it is not only a religious text, intending to govern inner space of an individual. It is a fully laden constitution, complete with civil and criminal law. Everything, ranging from how to distribute inheritance to what 'rights' minorities can have in an islamic society, is tied to concrete rules there. Curiously, most of the rules contained therein are similar with hedjaz tribal customs and laws (particularly quraish tribe) from pro mohammad times.
However, because koran is the 'unchanged' word of god (so says islam), it is unobjectionable. Add to that the fact that islam based on koran is put forth as the only way to live for muslims in koran, it makes islam impossible to coexist with any other social system or law. This is the cause of the friction in countries that are not from middle east, have modern legislations, and muslim minorities.
Egyptian reformers tried to deal with these, tried to 'modernize' islam, and 'reinterpret' koran in the light of modern principles. Results were disastrous. Some of them were killed, some of them had to flee the country, and some of them had to shut up. The struggle continues even to this day. Because koran is put forth as unchanged word of god, it is impossible to find any excuse to reinterpret it. And because you cant reinterpret it, you cant make it compatible with modern principles and views.
And this creates the basis of power for islamism, ie the noticeable segment of muslim organizations that intend to create a one world sharia government. It is impossible to argue against them, because of the above issues.
Ironically, muslims also suffer oppression from this, because the direct interpretation of koran, well, comes up medieval. If you attempt to fully adhere to islam, numerous civil oppressions become inevitable, due to the rulings set in koran. However, mild muslims, a noticeable percentage of muslim population around the world, also cant argue against this, because it is set in koran, and koran is unchanged word of god.
Until these issues are solved, islam will be creating problems and not be able to fit in.
(any muslim slashdotters, please spare me the 'you dont know real islam' shit, i was a muslim once and i studied koran at length, with cross references to mohammad's hadith, unless many of so called muslims which use that bullshit excuse despite not having ever read koran once. so save it).
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I am tired of this nonsense. I suggest that we start to censor the fundamentalists like they try to censor our free speech.
Good offence is the best defence in some cases.
and he is right to be afraid. even egyptian reformers were killed, just because they proposed the possibility of maaaybe reinterpreting koran with today's principles.
Read radical news here
... to the Streisand effect.
The terrorists only win when we lose the will to fight for our Freedoms.
If anything, this shows that Comedy Central has surrendered to terrorism.
But Matt and Trey are still fighting for Freedom of Speech.
bumping for historical relevancy... :)
oh, and ya i posted 'anon', like all the namefags on this site aren't just that. Unless you are providing you name, address, phone#, you are just as 'anon' as me. ;p
But your method teaches them that they deserve respect, that they deserve to be feared, simply because of their beliefs.
That is not a message I want to send.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
they maybe someone should threaten to murder them if they DO censor any more south park episodes. Where's a violent gun-toting islam-hating extremist when you need one?
Nothing convinces people you're serious that a good filmed beheading. Then mutilate the corpse and drag it naked behind a truck through the streets.
Oh, and this religion of peace ... Saudi Arabia did away with slavery in what '58, '59? That's NINETEEN fifty eight. Those former slaves could still be alive, how about some reparations for them. /rant
sorry
nothing to see here
move along
move along
It may not be a stunt orchestrated by CC, but they may be using that organization to make the noise for them.I've never heard of those guys before and it's interesting that they're getting all this press. Why now?
That's just my cynical side guessing.
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I subscribe to the Malcolm Reynolds theory "If someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back." If radical Muslims want to attack our country because we don't be nice to them, well then we'll fight back. We've got a far better army, I think we'll win.
Really you can't say "Oh those people threaten violence, we have to let them have their way." Fuck no, only thing that will lead to is more violence when they again want to force their way on you. The answer needs to be to tell them to fuck off. If the threats are idle, then no problem. If they aren't then respond.
You shouldn't go around living your life in fear.
> Because while Christians will turn the other cheek, and Buddhists likewise, Muslims will fucking kill you.
It's rather a shame that this was modded informative, because it means we don't actually know that much about Islam here. Yes, there are Islamic extremists who will kill you. We had Christian extremists who would kill you for being Muslim for hundreds of years--the Crusades. We still have Christian extremists who burn crosses to scare people they don't like. The extremism on either side uses religion to justify its extremism, but it's not an inherent part of any faith. People have killed for Judaism, but I don't think any of the Jews I've known ever have. (I don't recall offhand if any of them have been in the IDF, and there are plenty of complicating factors, but the point stands. The IDF is not an extremist group by any stretch of the imagination, and I believe they try to do things correctly, but they also commit war crimes from time to time. Some militaries are worse about it than others. My rough estimate would be they're worse than the US but much better than, for example, Sudan. Though everybody's better than Sudan. Mmm... a little offtopic, though many militaries look to the will of God for justification, officially or unofficially. As does nonconventional warfare/terrorism.)
Anyway, the point is that some Christians kill too, and most Muslims don't. There may be more Muslims who will kill you for satire right now, but we shouldn't be generalizing because it polarizes us, and that's a bad thing. We want to bring people together on common interest in--for example--not being blown up. Living well. We don't want to drive wedges between America and the rest of the world by generalizing "America good. Muslims kill."
The interesting question is whether they censored it because it will be offensive, or because they'll get killed. To my mind the former is legitimate, if they decide to do that. (It's their network, and it's okay to be polite--even in comedy.) The latter is a much less satisfying and more probable possibility.
-- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
and I am sure Jewish and Hindu would be ignored.
No, they backed down for two reasons. The radical Islamic groups are known to carry out their threats. The current trend in upper American government is to treat these loons with kid gloves all based on this idiot idea if we are nice to them they will be nice to us. The fact is they totally dictate to the media what the media can say. One or more of their kind makes a real threat but others "the supposedly peaceful side" claims that its not what it seems and that the people who dared to say something bad about Islam are the real problem. It works out so well and we read about it daily.
They fear them rightfully so but their reaction is still wrong. The reason this fear and threat can persist is because far too many leaders want to act magnanimous in declaring they will turn the other cheek. This is nothing more than the good old policies of liberal lore where certain races are predisposed to violence, theft, or just need help getting an education because they don't have the ability to do good on their own. Condescending through and through
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
just as I thought.
Not one ball among you all, maybe you deserve what Islam says you have coming. I'm just pissed that it also includes me. I guess I'm flawed in that way....LOL.
***AHeM *** Flying spaghetti monster.
...all I'm saying.
In Soviet Russia, road forks you!
I don't think the losers at "revolutionmuslim.com" have thought this through. Do they realize who they are messing with? They are messing with millions of geeks. If one hair on the head of Trey or Matt were touched after these powerless mockworthy little boys incited violence against them, their lives would be a husk.
It would be like those nature shows where tens of thousands of ants swarm over a hapless creature, take it apart and cart its lifeless body away.
I say, put up their personal info, just as they did to Trey and Matt. Put up their home address. Their business address. All their website info. Their relatives. Their license plates. Photos. The names of their friends. Their cell phone logs. Then, inform them that they will immediately commence to STFU, now, or their existence will become a hell the likes of which their holy book never informed them.
They need to feel just how outnumbered they are.
...they pulled the episode.
All over the US?
Revolution Muslim is a false-flag organization. Both the leaders are "supposide" Jewish converts. Here's an image of one of the leaders carrying a sign that misspells "Jews" as "Juice" (a Jew that can't spell 'Jew' correctly?)
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/death-to-the-ju.html [typepad.com]
The pair is often featured on CNN and Fox News. I don't even think they have any actual followers.
There is some information collected about the pair here:
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3427255.0 [fisheaters.com]
Out of curiosity, is there anything I'm not legally allowed to draw?
I'm not a muslim and therefore consider myself to be allowed to draw Mohammed, infact I just did in GIMP (not MSpaint as I didnt want to offend Linux fundamentalists)
Do not click if offended by shocking religious imagery http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1287/mohow.jpg
So is there anything I can't draw on a piece of paper (without any words in any language) ?
Funny how no Muslims gave a crap that south Park already showed Muhammed in full face glory, and conversed with him during the Super Best Friends episode...but that was years before the Dutch cartoon crisis that made us all "sensitive". Frankly, the idea that Muslims are being portrayed as irrational, murderous, religious fanatics is more disturbing than any insult SP might offer. Muslims should be pissed that everyone thinks they'll flare up into terrorism at every sideways glance at their faith. or conversely, if Muslims really ARE that prone to murderous violence, that's kind of important to know too, and we should do something about it. yes, I am actually saying that if a group of people are one off color joke away from committing murder, we need to "do something" about them.
I watched the show on http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/1405/ . Uncensored. Like everybody else.
Well, actually on southpark.de, because I’m in Germany, and they stupidly force me to use that site.
It was linked on the front page. Interestingly, it went out of the episode list again. The blog post and comments are gone. The forum's database is down. And now the front page link to the above URL is also gone, reverted to the old episode.
The direct link still works though.
But it feels weird even thinking of having a TV again... A projector is the same price, if not cheaper, much much bigger, can be used on your PC (which itself can be hidden in a corner), and my projector even has mouse control built into the remote.
I think your IQ jumps up by at least 10 point, when you throw away your TV. (Unless you replace it by 4chan, of course. ^^)
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Man, am I getting tired of muslims being offended. Hey, muslims, here's a news flash! WE'RE ALL OFFENDED! ALL THE TIME! People with half the guts of a mouse just live with it, and it's not rocket science, either. You just... live with it. It's really just that simple, and you're not beyond it. Get over yourselves, you whining, gutless, fucking pussies.
The terrorists made threats, and in response Comedy Central gave the terrorists what they wanted. The terrorists have won.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Put on your best eyepatch and let out a throaty AARRRGGGHHHHH: http://www.google.com/search?q=south+park+s14e06+torrent The SP team won't really lose anything if you download this episode. Comedy Central will lose profits and Muhammed will lose some spotlight, and both of those are great!
Now instead of offending a few million whacko muslim fanatics you've offended tens of millions of Americans! Brilliant!
My my, admittedly lay, understanding the prohibition of making images of Muhammad was to prevent his elevation to a protected status. That is, it is to prevent Muhamud from becoming the target of Idolatry.
By treating his image as special and sacrosanct, Comedy Central has violated and insulted the tennants of Islam by putting the prophet before Alah.
This homage to his image is _literally_ a damned if you don't position.
Sure, a lot of "Arab Rednecks" who don't understand their own religion think an image of Muhammad is wrong. But given that making _fun_ of Muhammad is in no danger of raising his image as an idol.
So technically Comedy Central has attacked Islam with their censorship.
(but since neither position makes any sense at all, perhaps they should stop pretending that bowing to a vocla minority of any persuasion is just wrong.)
In practical terms I would think they would be more afraid putting the dick to L Ron, since those Xenu Fearing Wing Nuts are way more likely to make their life difficult.
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So... when can we expect the uncut version on Wikileaks?
Trey and Matt should have Mohammed in every fucking episode they air from now on. I don't just mean in the intro to the show, I mean like a new character like one of the boys.
Let those censoring assholes fucking WORK to achieve censorship...
. The current trend in upper American government is to treat these loons with kid gloves all based on this idiot idea if we are nice to them they will be nice to us.
You should go over there and bomb them into... Wait, didn't you do that already?
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They hosted Carlos Mencia You'd think they'd be used to death threats by now...
Where's a violent gun-toting islam-hating extremist when you need one?
Last I heard, shooting moose in Alaska...
Oh. I thought they were saving us from MechaStreisand. Nvm.
One last bump before I get to say, "I TOLD YOU SO!".
Search your feelings, you know...aww fuck it, you're already lost heh.
I think I'll go make myself a MuHAMed sammich...mmm. ;p
Ah, the classic "it's not censorship if it's not the government" argument.
"Freedom. You know, writers have no freedom on TV. One rude suggestion, and the censors are straight on their back. Not on their back in a rude way."
"Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? Don't know the answer? Hmm. Successful, isn't it?"
"Well, most people would agree that censors are a silly breed. In fact, it surprises me how they ever manage to breed at all."
"Now, I'm no librarian - in fact, I don't know what star sign I am - but, as a famous person once said, `You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.' And as I - another more famous person - once said, `If you don't teach them to read, you can fool them whenever you like!'"
Murray: Those that can, do. Those that can't, censor it.
Theora Jones: [reading a list of complaints from the network Censor] "I have noted three 'damns,' four 'hells,' sixteen cases of sexual innuendo, a reference to self-abuse, two veiled remarks about Network presidents, and a joke about the Son of God." Doesn't say which god.
Edison Carter: I'm sure it's the current one. It's probably the guy who's running the Censor computer.
Ben Cheviot: Override Censor? Good God, Murray! I'm the Chairman, not the Creator!
And lastly, from a different episode, but more on-point to your "not the government" observation:
Edison Carter: Security Systems has its tendrils into every element of our society - the government, our homes, the police, the courts - I'm not gonna spike this story just because it deals with dollar amounts beyond your comprehension! It's too important! ...cerebral...
Murray:
Theora Jones: Murray, we're trying to play this takeover as a threat to our average viewer. Nobody knows who's doing it. I mean, we all deal with SS every day - what if some really dangerous people got control of it?
Murray: Who do you think controls it now?
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
If you want to get really deep into it, they actually portray Jesus as a pretty nice guy. They've shown the church doing some terrible things, but Jesus is just a guy trying to answer people's questions on his little TV show. He even forgave the whole town for betting against him in his boxing match with Satan. SP!Jesus seems like a decent guy. ...Y'know, not that fundamentalists ever pick up on small things like that.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
southparkstudios.com redirects to the .co.uk in the UK where the statement is unavailable, could anyone please post the statement in full to read? thanks :)
Until the world gets a backbone, look for more of this BS. Everyone is "afraid" to offend islamic terrorist goons, but feel it is ok to sh*t on any other religion they want to. Screw the islamic goat screwing idiots.
Ummmm....what happened to the "If it was on the internet, it will always be on the internet"? Because if 100 people saw it, pretty good chance someone already pirated it.
In all fairness, if there were no bleeps, the episode would be only half as funny.
Just curious - what say did the advertisers have in all this? None? Did it seem as though the episode had less advertisements than usual, or am I crazy (I didn't time it)?
and in doing this the episode has successfully broken the fourth wall into little tiny pieces
The guy in the bear suit wasn't even Muhammed. As became clear in episode 201, it was fucking Santa Claus. So these idiots who posted the threat on the website were essentially upset because Santa Claus was represented in a bear suit that a bunch of redheads had been tricked into believing was Muhammed. Just wrong on so many levels.
And by the way, the idiots who posted the threat really are just idiots posting on a website, not representative even of jihadist Muslims much less of mainstream or even "hardline" Muslims.
I remember when Fox censored the Walmart episode so that you couldn't see the people crap their pants when they died. Then there was the eat in your butt and crap out your mouth episode. They censored that, too. What's wrong? Everybody shits... and apparently some people shit out of their mouths, too.
I'm pretty sure this is a PR stunt.
is merely an extension of intolerance
when we acquiesce to thugs, we all lose
the only morally coherent position when faced with intolerant fundamentalist thugs is to fight them. we cannot live with them. they have already declared war on our tolerant societies
more mohammad
picture of mohammad everywhere
pictures of mohammad every day
not because we hate islam
but because we hate intolerance, and we value freedom of thought
any true muslim does not have a problem with this. any true muslim does not believe their entire religion depends upon insane insecurity
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
last week's South Park (episode 200) depicted Muhammad, founder of Islam, concealed in a bear suit.
This is incorrect. It was actually Santa Claus in the bear costume.
... and then they built the supercollider.
'Muhammed' is the new 'Voldemort'.
pessimism leads people to give up, and accept the unacceptable. pessimism is the ideology of slaves
luckily for the rest of us, pragmatists and optimists alike, your world view doesn't actually decide how the real world plays out. it defines the sad arc of your life, not my life. so step aside, give in to your ignorant helplessness and shut up, and let those of who think we can actually still make difference actually make a fucking difference
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
When i saw it, really tought that was a metajoke, Sometimes you could think that something is objectionable so censoring would be right... but it could take away the good parts too or make everything lose meaning . In fact tought that the show creators missed a great opportunity of making Muhammad to speak and say something that the show characters think its insightful, enlightning, etc, but as got censored none of the spectators (muslims or not) couldnt get.
Matt and Trey commented on the last time Comedy Central censored the toon. "Cartoonists, people who do satire--we're not in the army, we're never going to be fucking drafted and this is our time to stand up and do the right thing" here
And this got me thinking about our troops protecting us right now from the type of fanatics who threatened Matt and Trey this time. I doubt left-wing Comedy Central gives a shit about our military risking their lives, but censoring this episode in this manner does an injustice to the troops fighting now and the men and women who have lost their lives protecting our constitutional rights, our freedom of speech and the free expression of ideas.
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It's okay though, he's wearing a bear costume.
for anonymous
where are you hordes of slovenly /b/tards?
scientology was a dwarf. before you stands the goliath of muslim fundamentalism. take an aim and swing. i want images of muhammad every fucking where
do you what you do best oh great low iq hivemind
do it for the EPIC LULZ
UNLEASH THE MUHAMMAKRAKEN
NINE THOUSAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND ONE NIGHTS!!!!!!
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Any time force is threatened, the threatening party has lost moral authority. If you seek to affect moral change in somebody, then your own representation of your ideals should be enough to convince them.
I am sure that many will say that the persons who do these things aren't christian. But who are you to say? They say they are christian. When a self identified muslim kills someone, people are fast enough to implicate the entire faith of Islam, no one seems to think that these people are just wingnuts, rougue elements. But when a prominent member of the First Baptist Church in North Myrtle Beach threatens a elected leaders life, we do not condemn the entire congregation, or the baptist faith, we just assume that one member is a dangerous wingnut, and pray that she never has any authority.
I don't know why there is not more christian violence. I say more because there is a lot. For instance the kids who are going around killing immigrants. What is think is that we don't think about because most of is random. Very little of it is directed, you know, some wacko sending anthrax though the mail. Alot of it is just some good old boys thinking they start beating up on their fellow students, and then crying when the fellow students start beating back.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Well.... I can't download the episode from any countries with free speech... So I went to other countries with censorship and wallah everyone is watching it. Try Google's enemy and you can see this episode. Long live chairman Mao! lol... never thought I would say that! We can go back to hating China after everyone sees 201 who doesn't have comedy central.
you can tell at the very end its just meant to be a joke..
~don't feel threatened by my pineal~
Do you really want to start comparing the number of people murdered by "Muslims" to the number of people murdered by "Christians?" I guarantee you the Muslims have the higher body count - substantially. In fact, here's Islam's dirty little secret: most Muslims who die violently do so at the hands of *gasp* OTHER MUSLIMS. Stop trying to create some bizarre moral equivalence where none exists. Muslims are by definition violent. Their understanding of their religion hasn't evolved one iota since day 1.
Fuck Mohammed.
Fuck Allah.
Fuck those pig-fucking, clit-gouging, head-chopping, wife-beating Mudslums.
Doesn't this mean that SP didn't do anything to alter what they wanted to say, meaning they *learned nothing from the fatwa threat and are, therefore, still subject to it?!!!*
Guy's, I got your six. Someone wanna lend me an assault rifle? And teach me what to do with it? Please?
Don't forget to show all your cleavage on the 26th.
Gahd, what a nutbar Universe this's turned out to be.
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
Comedy Central won't care unless you make death threats. It worked before... besides you are opposing a more extreme group do you think they will risk management for SOME profits??? Writers quite possibly, employees sure-- but management?
Democracy Now! - uncensored, anti-establishment news
Terrorists win.
"Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
Comedy Central for letting terrorists win.
And while we're at it, piss on The Prophet Mohamed, Jesus, Yaweh, The Flying Spaghetti Monster and any other deity who needs his human followers to do his wet work for him. If those "supreme beings" have an issue with what I say about them, they know where I live. We can sort it out in person. The rest of you, STFU and relax already. I mean, they're gods. Right? Do you really think they need your help?
Please note that I did not say, "Piss on Christians, Muslims, Jews, Pastafarians, etc." Believe it or not, I am a very religious person and I am offended when someone insults my choice of beliefs. But fight about it? Kill them over it? That's just stupid. My spiritual beliefs are my business. Your faith is your business. Why can't we leave it at that?
The problem with the situation in Iraq is that the US's goal was to occupy the country and bring about a peaceful democracy. That is a tough goal when the people don't want it and the army isn't designed for it. The US has never had an army of conquest, it is not an army with massive manpower needed to occupy a country. It is an army designed to kill effectively, something it does extremely well. You'll note that the Iraqi army was smashed in days, with next to no loss on the US side.
I'm not talking about going in and occupying countries, I'm talking about killing people. If radical country X attacks the US because their crazys don't like South Park, the US attacks them and wipes out the crazies. They don't stick around. The idea is deterrence and prevention, not nation building.
As a practical matter, that isn't likely to be necessary. If there are attacks it is probably just lone crazies. For that we have a competent criminal justice system. Ideally they are stopped before hand, with deadly force if necessary, and if you they are tried and imprisoned or executed.
Oh and have you had a look at the world economy? This down turn is not a US thing and is not related to military spending, but rather to the collapse of a bubble caused by rampant speculation, poor regulation, and odd financial products.
I'm not required to. However America's values (and my values) place freedom of speech extremely highly. It is the very top of the bill of rights. As such, in America it should be protected at nearly all costs, even if it pisses others off.
So if you live in a culture that doesn't like free speech, fine, I don't care. That's not my problem and we have NO reason at all to be "sensitive" about your culture. Especially when those cultures don't seem to be "sensitive" about ours.
christians do violent things. ok. that implies what? that it is therefore ok that muslims do violent things?
the proper response is that when christians do violent things, we denounce them. and when muslims do violent things, we denounce them
your argument seems to be "because christians do violent things we can't criticize the muslims who do violent things"
bullshit. i condemn both. so stand with me and condemn these violent muslim fundamentalist assholes
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Goto http://www.southparkstudios.com/news/3878
The South Park logo.. to the left of their "Statement".
Right click and view the bigger version of the image
http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/default/image.jpg
Look right below satan. To the left of the "H" in the sign.
I have to return some videotapes...
Food for thought. A bear suit? Interesting choice. A male bear is called a boar and a female bear is called a sow. In other words pigs. Pork. A food Muslims just adore. So the Prophet is a Porker?
My bad :-/
I have to return some videotapes...
Step 1 - Depict Muhammad in a bear suit.
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - Prophet
All of it.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
With Manatees!
On Thursdays, Comedy Central usually shows Wed night's new episodes. They showed last night's episode of Ugly Americans, the newest episode. However, for South Park, they showed the Facebook one from two weeks ago. Not last night's, not the 200th episode, the 199th episode from 2 weeks ago that was not at all controversial.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
I wonder if Jon Stewart will say somethng....
I can't seem to quite express my sadness at the responses that pop up when stories like this hit. Especially from a broadly educated crowd, like /. attracts. But, I guess part of it is that nerds tend to be on the 'judging' end of the spectrum.
/. are, but the fact of the matter is that for most people religion is not about choice, but is a matter of birthright. Becoming a terrorist is a choice, but believing in Jesus over Muhommed is trained, and especially for large parts of humanity that live in abject poverty and have no opportunities for education and learning about differing cultures, it's nearly impossible to change one's religious belief because it is incorporated into life as fundamental fact and necessity. You think it's a coincidence that poor/uneducated are on average massively more committed to religion than wealthy/educated?
Look, criticizing Islam in the US today is NOTHING like criticizing Jesus. Since 9/11 it's practically national belief that all Arabs are Muslim, and all Muslims are Terrorists. YOU might not think that way (whilst pointing out all the flaws in Islam), but you won't have to work hard to find someone that does. You think what happened to Borat at the rodeo was a singular event? Get real. We live in a world of racial profiling, and ignorant assumptions. Look at the comments that are modded 'insightful' or 'informative' and you'll see a long list of 'Islam is evil/wrong/violent', which is unacceptable in this age. I truly feel sorry for people who live in our country having been raised with an Islamic belief system. The stories of community outrage/fear are depressingly numerous - all for what? Because there are people who have hijacked a religion and use it to exploit violence? That's unique to Islam? Tell that to your friendly community safe and legal abortion doctor. The US today is a country with a mob mentality against Islam, and a country where Jesus is absolutely EVERYWHERE - it's not a level playing field from the get go when it comes to satire.
Then there are all the blatantly racist comments referring to a group of savages that haven't had their Enlightenment. As though the average person gets to choose their religion. I'm an atheist, and I was raised in a semi-religious household, as I know that a massive number of people here on
All this righteous indignation about a group of people that have a simple rule – we don't like images of our prophet? Are you kidding me? We can't even teach SCIENCE in public schools in this country because the fucking 'word of God as giving by the Holy Bible' doesn't support it (even if the damn Pope does!)! We murder people for lawfully giving women a choice on pregnancy, even when it's a fundamental issue of safety. We have a long history, up until only 50 years ago, of murdering people one at a time for having the wrong religion or race! You think it's dangerous to mock Islam (out of nothing but sanctimonious hostility thinly veiled behind censorship arguments)? Imagine being Jewish and traveling through Mississippi in 1940. Hell, the cast of Top Gear was attacked down there just a couple years ago!
Get off your fucking racist, and Muslim, high goddamn horses people. No one superstition has more rights than any other, but if you're going to pretend it's all equal and fair in this country, you're pretending we live in a more diverse and more balanced world than we do.
How about a phone number for Viacom / Comedy Central? We all know (firsthand, frequently) how easy it is to filter garbage text. It's a lot harder to not hear the phone ring.
These might still be valid...
Cbs-viacom Stations Group Los Angeles, Ca 90028 (323) 460-3000
Viacom Productions Los Angeles, Ca 90024 (310) 234-5000
Viacom Stations Group Los Angeles, Ca 90028 (323) 460-3000
Viacom Station Sales Atlanta, Ga 30305 (404) 261-2227
Viacom Mtv Networks Chicago, Il 60611 (312) 836-0668
Viacom Inc New York, Ny 10036 (212) 258-6000
Comedy Cental 323-956-5000
Also, note that (afaik) viacom owns paramount owns comedy central
http://www.paramount.com/studio/divisions
Wanna know what I do when I meet a religious extremist? I do a little nice gesture, that makes their life better, and causes them to instantly like me.
You mean like Nick Berg?
"The truly and deliberately evil men are a very small minority; it is the appeaser who unleashes them on mankind; it is the appeaser's intellectual abdication that invites them to take over."
"Do not confuse appeasement with tactfulness or generosity. Appeasement is not consideration for the feelings of others, it is consideration for and compliance with the unjust, irrational and evil feelings of others. It is a policy of exempting the emotions of others from moral judgment, and of willingness to sacrifice innocent, virtuous victims to the evil malice of such emotions."
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway. In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit. In that transfusion of blood which drains the good to feed the evil, the compromiser is the transmitting rubber tube."
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/appeasement.html
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/compromise.html
I can't stand that show anymore. Removed it from the Tivo list.
While I have no problem with them poking fun at all things, they never get around to stating their own beliefs.
I think you have to take a stand, right or wrong, if you want your comedy to be important.
Otherwise you're just chucking eggs at people and calling it funny.
>.>
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No, the five branches of the US armed forces have snapped them all up.
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Censoring yourselves due to fear of violence is a quick way to the bottom. If any nutjobs can threaten you and you'll back down, you might as well just show Teletubbies all day (until someone complains of gay overtones, then you have to stick to static). Your network wants to think it's edgy by airing movies without bleeping a couple swears, but you can't even say one person's name. Just a name. That's it. All because there's some possibility that already unbalanced people (who probably already hate you anyway) will go off the deep end and commit violence? There's always the possibility that someone will commit violence against you, but you can't live in fear because of that. You can't hide your thoughts and hope that crazy people won't act crazy. You can't censor an idea just because someone might not like it. Because if you do, you'll just be giant fucking pussies waiting for the next person trying to fuck you.
"Yet we condemn them all."
who is "we"?
there are indeed a MINORITY of western morons who think that a violent fundamentalist muslim asshole represents the entire of islam faith
but i don't think that, and you don't think that, and plenty others understand this obvious point
so stop condemning ALL westerners/ americans/ media for committing a sin only a MINORITY commit
currently you are a massive hypocrite, because you are committing the same logical fallacy you condemn: that a few wester idiots represent all of western opinion
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
", we tend to give their faith, in this case baptist, the benefit of the doubt."
who is "we"?
there are indeed a MINORITY of western morons who think that a violent fundamentalist muslim asshole represents the entirety of islam, and violent fundamentalist christian assholes get a free pass
but i don't think that, and you don't think that, and plenty others understand this obvious point
so stop condemning ALL westerners/ americans/ media for committing a sin only a MINORITY commit
currently you are a massive hypocrite, because you are committing the same logical fallacy you condemn: that a few wester idiots represent all of western opinion
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I think the network censored the episode out of fear of violent Muslim reaction. I am confident that in the current political climate, I can get away with saying something mean-spirited about Muslims. I don't think many non-Muslims will rush to criticize me.
I didn't mind the censoring. As you said, it is their network, they decide what's put on it. That's the business of television. But I do mind a more general (even if informal) policy of not offending Muslims because it makes Muslims a protected group and forces everyone to bend to their cultural expectations. The nature of the offense also bothers me. It seems that groups like Revolution Muslim are more offended that non-believers discussed Mohammad in any context, positive or negative. I understand their faith has a rule that Mohammad cannot be depicted visually in any form. But that is their rule, not mine. And I'd rather not be censored from creating a cartoon of Mohammad -- good or bad, because of their own religious rule. I would be similarly angered if I was barred from eating meat on fridays or from eating at all during Rosh Hashanah.
And when Revolution Muslim issues a statement that says I will die or should die or may possibly die as a result of not following one of laws of their religion, that makes me less willing to engage with Muslim culture in a positive way.
we don't take minority wingnut christians seriously because they are few and isolated. They don't control entire countries. they aren't formed into a large, organized terrorist organization which has overthrown governments and carried out numerous terrorist attacks.
well without getting into a debate on your twisted views that these people committing these horrible acts even claim to be christians (although some of them admittedly do, but your making a stretch on many of those), I think the main reason people associate the whole muslim religion with the acts of these few, is because they celebrate the acts. How often when some terrorist blows up something they deem to be of American importance do you see people celebrating in the streets in Iran, Saudi, Irac, etc? All the time of course, but 99.999% of Christians will in fact condemn some nut job for shooting an abortion doctor in the head.
Yes, yes, yes, Christians have bad people too. We get it. But that's not what this is about. It's about knee-jerk reactions to the very limited depiction of a holy figure in a cartoon. A holy figure that most people have no idea what he looks like anyway, so we basically have to put his name with an arrow pointing at the figure to tell who it might be.
If you want this to slip into a "well, Christians have bad people too" thing, South Park makes Jesus Christ a recurring character all the time. The number of protests against those episodes have been relatively limited. No attempts by Christian assassins have been reported on the lives of either Matt Stone nor Trey Parker. The Scientologists pretty much had the biggest tiff against South Park, and even that was more of a huff than a "march in the streets burning things in effigy" thing.
We all know there are bad people in all religions. But the point of this is about humorous depiction, and all religions in the world have had their figures depicted humorously at times. But only one religion seems to put out a death sentence on anyone who does it to their major figure, even though almost no one even knows exactly what he looked like and generally has to be drawn as a crude stereotype with his name pointed at him for anyone to know. Which is also really sad, and I don't mean that in a mocking way, in a lot of ways.
It's coming right for us!
Cheers, Chris
so I thought I'd comment on this. 1) RevolutionMuslim.com is as you say a "radical website," although from my understanding the majority of Muslims and Islamic scholars do not agree with the ideas promoted by this website. 2) Every religion/system of beliefs/philosophy etc has extremists willing to violently get their objectives done. 3) According to Islam as interpreted by authentic Islamic scholars, Muslims living in a non-Muslim state must abide by its laws as they have signed an agreement (citizenship, green card, etc.) with the country to do so. The only exception is with laws which require a Muslim to violate the Shariah (Islamic law). (Living in the United States all my life, I haven't found any such laws and am commonly told by Muslim immigrants that practicing Islam in the United States is easier than in some Muslim countries.) 4) Such demands made by salafi-jihadi Muslims are primarily for rhetoric purposes (i.e. to "scare" people) and will most likely have no basis in reality. Of course, that said, I'm not going to be an apologist. The creators of South Park should obviously have more concern and sensitivity towards Muslim sentiments. The members of a pluralistic society should learn to respect one another and not deliberately provoke / intimidate one another. Somehow it seems to me that people only selectively have the Western belief "I can do whatever I want, as long as I don't hurt others." When it comes to insulting Muslims or Islamic beliefs, "freedom of speech" is cried, yet "respect for all people" is forgotten. Muslims often take their way of life more seriously than Christians or Jews. Islam is a complete way of life, not a ritual that's done once a week.
Really? you want to compare Islamic Terrorists to Fundamentalist Christians? Seriously? The hate towards Christianity is strong in this one.
If a depiction of Mohammed is so wrong, I just don't understand why it's perfectly acceptable (and very common) for muslim men to name themselves Mohammed. You would thing that doing such a thing is just as bad. How can a mere mortal dare take the prophet's name as his own?
You just made the Prophet [bleep]'s name a freeking curse word.
Now whenever someone uses a bleep on Comedy Central they are gonna get bombed because it could have been [bleep]'s name.
http://www.revolutionislam.com/
"we do not condemn the entire congregation, or the baptist faith"
Speak for yourself. There are plenty of us who criticize all organized religion, recognizing it as the work of Satan on Earth.
I don't know why there is not more christian violence.
It's because we got out of the dark ages and you fucking nutjobs want to stay. No one is afraid of 10 or 20 whackjob patriot groups in montana because these groups have no money, no real backing outside of their immediate families IF THAT, they don't organize with each other and for the most part don't have the ability to conduct more than a random shooting.
Muslim extremists have tens of billions of dollars to spend on jyhad, tens of thousands of active members, the passive and sometimes active support of several governments, a complicated communication regime, and are capable of doing hundreds of billions of dollars in damages via 9/11 style attacks and millions in plane and building bombings.
But other than that, yeah, they're almost identical.
I'm not a christian, nor a jew, nor a muslim, nor an atheist. I'm just an ordinary secular heathen with a personal belief which doesn't concern anybody and this is my message.
Fuck you, fuck anyone who modded you up, and fuck islam.
Wait that's wrong.
Kill you, kill anyone who modded you up, and eradicate islam.
That's better.
And yes you're all begging for it. You can pretend whatever you want and no one will care as long as you die.
Muslims are brainwashed to believe that Islam is above the Nation.
For Hindus, Casteism is above the Nation.
Now Christian missionaries are brainwashing ppl like Brahmins did for Hindus.
I'd like to buy homeland for our 10 million people. http://twitter.com/mahadiga
..I mean what would John Stewart have to say about all this..this.. Comedy?
and you assume hose were all christians... why again?
because they claimed association?
Let me know when you find the Christian word for Jihad.
Those assholes have had it coming for a long time. And by "had it coming" I mean that the show isn't funny or insightful in the slightest and just rehashes jokes that a lot of other shows do better. I'm not really for censorship but it sure would be great if they'd stir up more bad publicity for Comedy Central and get taken off the air.
The question of sensitivity is not one sided!
Do you make mockery of holocaust or September 11th victims with cartoons? Absolutely not! That is sacred and Muhammad for you!
Depicting Muhammad in a cartooned is the same as above for Muslims. People need to understand that when they want to become ONE village, it is not that all need to become us or we become them. We need to live in a harmony. So Muslims, respect holocaust victims and we respect your rules of not drawing prophet's picture.
Please bear in mind that discussing Muhammad or holocaust both are part of free speech. The only thing I am opposed is crossing the very decisively sensitive lines that are close to hate incite and very provocative.
Non sequitor, my friend. In a mostly Christian country like ours, it's no wonder that many crimes are committed by Christians. Look how many stonings and honor killings there are in Muslim countries for a fair comparison. Also, the problem with Islamic terrorism is that it is done in the name of the religion. Most of the Christians you point to are just wingnuts who kill for a reason divorced from Christianity whereas the Islamic terrorists kill because they want to make Mohammed happy. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
A NYC lawyer blogs. http://www.chuangblog.com/
it says that online advertising is more profitable more per viewer. This is not at all the same as making more money total.
Sign today the open death threat to Slashdot admins and make them put an end to their ridiculous moderation system.
I haven't seen any reports of attempts on their lives by Islamic assassins either, for whatever that's worth...
Slashdot needs a "-1, Wrong" moderation option.
The Urban Hippie
oh shut up
Anyone seen 'The Daily Show' tonight, there's a great opening with Jon Stewart talking about this and ending his speech with the "Go F*** Yourself" choir, absolutely hilarious.
I call shenanigans. If they have 10% of the US defense budget, squadrons of members, and tacit government support, why is their best effort in the past 8 years a guy with a bomb in his jockstrap?
Seriously, it's not difficult. You get a guy here over one of our incredibly porous borders, give him a gun, and with a little creativity he could take out a major bridge or a city block. It takes a special brand of crazy, of course, but they should be able to find a couple hundred people out of the tens of thousands, and if even a quarter of those succeed they could shut our entire economy down for months.
The fact that they haven't would seem to indicate that they're not as batshit insane, and the conflict isn't so black and white as you try to paint it. Or at least that they're not nearly as well funded and organized as that.
Honestly, even the Militias you're so quick to dismiss could shut down our economy if they really wanted to. They're already here, they've already got the guns and grenades. Want to guess what would happen if five of them hijack gasoline trucks, stop in a major bridge or tunnel, and drop a grenade in? McVeigh already proved how much damage one asshole sociopath can do, and the latest Militia had a couple dozen at least.
Slashdot needs a "-1, Wrong" moderation option.
The Urban Hippie
What you describe is a problem with other muslims not distancing themselves enough from the radicals. Every time a radical christian does something heinous almost every other christian immediately distances themselves and condemns their actions(*). How often do you see muslims doing that in the public sphere?
(*) Which isn't necessarily enough per se, but religion tends to give nurture to loons, so what are you gonna do?
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1. One random web site claiming to be X is not necessarily representative of all people claiming to be X, or even one other person claiming to be X;
2. One random threat on the Internet is about as scary as any other;
3. But it makes great publicity for TP/MS/CC to pretend that (1) and (2) are false;
4. It makes even more sense for TP/MS to disclaim responsibility for the response to the threat (the Man's keeping us down, man!) - if they really weren't happy on principle, they wouldn't provide episodes, but I don't see them putting principle above contract fees;
And finally:
5. Strong free speech, the same sort of free speech which allows SP to libel and mock daily, includes the right to make threats, as long as those threats aren't carried out. What gives you the right to decide that the threat is any less parody than the libel, petty censor?
Either you're right, and it's all a fairy tale, or you're wrong and you'll burn in Hell.
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs." -- 1 Corinthians 13:4-5
Big apple, new Yorik, undig it, something's unrotting in Edenmark.
I would say that the key difference in these cases is that mainstream (read: a large majority) of Christian's denounce the violence brought on by the outlying factions, whereas this has yet to be seen with Islam.
While it's nice that Matt & Trey stick up for things like freedom of expression, the problem is that few other people do. A scandanavian cartoonist and two animators are about all there is. Three people on the whole planet? Who really cares then?
Of course things would be different if anonymous people everywhere were drawing and labeling Mohammed on stickers and sticking them everywhere. How would the anonymous terrorists deal with the anonymous illustrators? Threaten to kill all Americans? They've already done that with virtually no success. It seems like an easy problem to solve, no?
But of course it will never happen. People love to rant, but nobody has the guts to put an actual sticker in a public place. Matt & Trey are sticking up for utopian ideals, not implementable American beliefs. Most Americans, myself included, are totally happy letting Mohammed go incogneto. With no data on what he looked like, there's no chance the illustration would look anything like the real guy anyway. So why bother?
I used to be a Mormon, and although I initially found South Park's episode on Joseph Smith to be offensive, it got the gears turning enough for me to check their claims. Guess what - they were legit. So I now feel grateful to South Park for helping me (in part) to free myself from that system of indoctrination. My life is better now. Happier. I realize there are a lot of happy Mormons out there - more power to 'em. I'm just thrilled that I no longer have to waste so much time, energy, and money, on what I now believe is a delusion.
So even if South Park offends you, give it a chance. Think about the underlying message. Most of the time it's pretty insightful.
Crusade.
Man, am I getting tired of atheists being offended. Hey, atheists...
Man, am I getting tired of blacks being offended. Hey, blacks...
Man, am I getting tired of gays being offended. Hey, gays...
Yes, devil's advocate ahoy.
The people making death threats, to say nothing of the ones carrying them out, are vying for the bottom rung of humanity. Nevertheless, Earth is stuck with over a billion Muslims, and a number of them are failing miserably to adjust to the modern era, to their new neighbors, to their new surroundings. The Renaissance missed their culture; liberalism missed their culture; postmodernism missed their culture. Now, they're trying to shift into the modern era without a clutch. The Internet showed up practically yesterday, and now everyone -- their kids, their heretics, their women -- has a cell phone. The true believers keep their noses in their prayerbooks, but all the punch-clock faithful are seeing answers beyond the Koran, authorities more reliable than the religious patriarchs. What's worse, nobody's doing anything about the porn, about the hedonism, or about the heresy being published online. Such blasphemy! Businesspeople, white ones, are swooping in by the bushel to buy up their resources and boss them around as if it was their birthright. Politicians are sending troops from thousands of miles away to make war on their lands, and aren't even having the dignity to fight in person, but with machines. Such impudence! Such cowardice! And now, the Westerners want to tell them what their holy books really say, that they're morally wrong for defending the name of their savior. Unforgivable. No, that's not all Muslims, but it's a LOT of them, and it doesn't help matters that there are serious, real-world problems to be sorted out, even (especially) in areas that the West doesn't worry nearly as much about -- state/religion bifurcation, water rights, rule of law. Their civil law system is crippled (potentially fatally flawed), their economies are barely functional, and their educational apparatus is a travesty. Despite that, the majority of Muslims will manage to modernize to a great extent; give them three generations or so and much of the worst of the idiocy will fade like an undesirable accent. The rest, however, remain the globalized world's problem to deal with. One cartoonist can spark global riots; one band of morons committing suicide on a few planes can make an entire nation forget its moral backbone. Asymmetrical warfare indeed.
Weighing in at all on this topic is to speak in a paternalistic tone; my own thoughts here do so as well. Unfortunately, that's going to continue until both sides are willing and positioned to approach each other fraternally, as equals. Right now, there remains a significant distance between the economic might of the (for want of a more effective term) global North and the turbulent destitution of the global South, between the liberty, fraternity, and equality that spawned the French and American revolutions and the tight-knit moral strictures of Muslim "brotherhood." Just saying, "life sucks, then you die" isn't going to help bridge the gaps. Again, fuck terrorists; if there's a hell, they damn well go there when they die to stare eternally at a hundred virgins that aren't interested in them. And, the no-masturbation thing is ENFORCED. Beyond them, a lot of people need help joining the 21st century, and it doesn't just consist of teaching them how to use Facebook.
Not only that, but it's South Park, no one who is easily offended (read: religious fanatics) should be watching it in the first place.
People and their stupid religions... Chef is gone after getting all hot and bothered about some scientology skit and now this. It sucks balls.
Southpark insults everyone. Comparatively they treated Islam with kids gloves. The big point being made was that Islam is immune to criticism. This is a big deal, people have died from depicting Muhammad. While I agree that there was provocation, it is not enough to warrant that kind of reaction.
O totally concur that intimidation is a really bad thing.
On to the last part... whats up with your last sentence?... after the whole chat about "members of a pluralistic society....."?
I don't think it means what you think it means.
However, because koran is the 'unchanged' word of god (so says islam), it is unobjectionable.
As for the answer to your question - get a group of Catholics and Protestants together (preferably North Irish ones) for a debate on that. Try to get some Orthodox Christians and Mormons as well. And Jews.
Results of the said debate might provide some well needed insight into the subject of religious groups splintering into several smaller groups with opposite believes and views on certain topics which are based on their common religious tracts.
This, a million times this!
yes I'm shouting. Who the fucking hell do these cunts think they are. Any minority ie less than 50% who think they can tell me what I can enjoy or laugh at can go and shove their fucking beliefs up their fucking arses - because that's where they belong - in a pile of shit, Fuck off religious nutters of any persuasion.
Like you said - "WE'RE ALL OFFENDED! ALL THE TIME!".
Did Comedy Central censor some other episode cause someone else (everyone else) was offended or had insinuated that something bad will happen to the creators of the show? No.
I think that you are looking for your "whining, gutless, fucking pussies" in all the wrong places. Try here.
Let me know when you find the Christian word for Jihad.
"Crusade". There, that was easy enough.
The difference is those 'bad' christians most of the time do whatever they do not because of their religion, but coz they are wingnuts like you say. I bet there are muslims that are like that too and those are not counted in the numbers of religous fanatics, that like someone mentioned are so eager to do the god's work for him. They are blowing people up on the daily basis to please their god in some way... i dont think i've heard christians doing that (there were middle ages and crusades, etc. but i'm talking about current day).
It's a year 2010 and i'm surprised how many people like some cavemen believe in fairy tales that there is a god in the sky that is so almighty, but cant do sh*t about all unjust happening to innocent people, even though he pretends to care about us... Our own technological achievments beat "powers" of those impotent non existing gods, and if one believes or prays to god... well we're all more or less ignorant about something, but when their ignorance gets to the level where they threaten lives of other people... all i can say those people are mentally ill and it's sad that they actually manage to bring terror to normal people.
Freedom of Speech means allowing people to say things you Disagree and Hate.
Who would object to things they like and agree with anyway?!?
There was the "Freedom fo Speech" we you have today in Nazy Germany and the Soviet Union. You could say anything you wished as long as it was Politicaly Corect ... or else.
in place of Kenny. It would be much fun to see the Simpsons help out, with Bart writing on the blackboard I will bleep out all spoken references to Mohamed
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
After watching the episode, I'm not convinced it's not a joke or hoax.
For one thing, "beeping" offensive material is a pretty old way of removing offensive material (I think it comes from the old days of "beeping" out offensive material in live broadcasts). Today, you'd imagine the would have blanked the audio rather than beeping it. Using beeps just seems a little rigged.
Second, if you watch the closed captions, the beeped audio shows as "[BEEP]". This also seems planned to me.
Finally, if the show was so offensive that Comedy Central felt it had to beep nearly a minute of speeches at the end, I am surprised they just didn't pull the show.
It makes me sad to think that the beeped-out version is considered something to be angry about. I thought the beeps were great and actually made this "masterpiece" complete - if they are "real", even better, that gives it a special touch. I was laughing my ass of when I watched the conclusion in the end: "I learned something today *beeeeeeeee*". And I'm sure, I'm not the only one. Can't imagine whatever has been in place of the beeps would have been more fitting or funny. I know I didn't stop laughing before the first long beeping sound ended and I started again, when Jesus and Santa started "beeping". And it's just so extraordinarily ironic, we'll never know what we should have "learned" from those incidents due to the censorship (And that "Jesus" isn't allowed to talk about you-know-what - this theme has already be in the episode before). Is there anything more useful to learn than those circumstances in themselves? *g*
It's just so incredibly fitting. Wow. Maybe Parken & Stone are just angry because they didn't have the idea themselves or decided against it, while Comedy Central managed to do it by accident? Best episode ever ;). Whatever person did the censoring deserves a medal, even though I'm not entirely sure if for doing a great job by censoring the episode without ruining it or just for being too ignorant to look at his work again afterwards and think: "wait, that just made it even funnier maybe I should start over".
...does their contract expire? Anyone want to start taking bets when they will head to Fox?
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." General James Mattis
I think we need Mohammad to be depicted in your low budget Phillipino/NYC Horror Movie.
This is just sad, I guess some people can't stand it when there is nothing else to get pissed off about.
Islam is the biggest threat to Occident since Nazism and Communism.
yes sir, sir!
it's an honor sir!
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and I am sure Jewish and Hindu would be ignored.
Sorry, who?
This is nothing more than the good old policies of liberal lore where certain races are predisposed to violence, theft, or just need help getting an education because they don't have the ability to do good on their own.
um. how are these liberal policies? I would have thought that the assumption that
...certain races are predisposed to violence, theft, or just need help getting an education...
smacks of the kind of racism conservatives are generally associated with.
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Someone please inform SouthParkStudios.com that they should come up with a way to let Europeans read their news... I'm from Norway so when I try access that site I'm immediately redirected to southparkstudios.no, where there are no news except an RSS feed link. I don't know if these articles presents the 'whole package'.
I call shenanigans. If they have 10% of the US defense budget, squadrons of members, and tacit government support, why is their best effort in the past 8 years a guy with a bomb in his jockstrap?
10% of the us defense budget is not tens of billions, it's trillions. The number above was total fundraising, not annual.
Also, the biggest thing they've done in 8 years was NOT no-nad the barbarian. They've killed 1,000s of soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan, and that's just US Military deaths. And while they hate the infidel US, they REALLY hate the jews and spend large portions of their efforts working against them.
Total membership in Al Qaeda was in the 5-figure range.
A gun won't take out a major bridge, and neither will a bomb that's easily acquired. You can't just go get a ryder truck and load it up with a fertilizer bomb. The feds figured that out.
Nothing will happen because they're built to withstand oil trucks spilling and catching fire. a grenade won't do shit to any sort of major tunnel. You wouldn't shut down the economy even if you did manage to blow up the five biggest bridges anyways.
As to why there isn't more attacks over here, which you touched on:
AQ is well funded and organized. But the agencies fighting them - the CIA, FBI, Mossad, NATO, to name a few - are much better funded and much larger.
Before everything went to hell completely, Mexico used to police it's borders, and as an overwhelming christian country, they didn't particularly like the arabs either.
You'll only encourage them by censoring shit. A constructive response to islamic protects against depicting Mohammed would be depicting Mohammed eating pig feces. :)
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The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
Yes, they follow the old testament more than the new testament, true. But they're still christians, their actions reflect upon christianity, etc.
The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
Not to nit pick but you gotta look at the numbers also, for every one of your examples there are about 5,000 for the Muslims.
You guys are realist, I am sure somebody could always do a 'per capita' count on the extremist there and compare it to extremist Christians.
The parrot response around here when talking about Muslim extremist always seems to be the Oklahoma City Bombing, come on really. I don't know if that is a sad statistic or that he was more efficient at killing more people in Oklahoma City Bombing than any other Muslim attack till 9/11.
Also the silence by their majority doesn't help their cause also, it only creates a boiling environment of non stop hate and lies to gain popularity with the population.
You can't just go get a ryder truck and load it up with a fertilizer bomb. The feds figured that out.
But you COULD fill a container with explosives and run it up into a harbor, then blow it up while it's in customs, and cripple a port. There's a ton of such [relatively] low-tech attacks which could be pulled off. Using portable plasma cutters or even just cutting torches (they call small acetylene tanks "burglar bottles" for a reason) you could drop critical high-tension lines and have big portions of the country out of power for days to weeks. The truth is that there are very few terrorists.
Before everything went to hell completely, Mexico used to police it's borders, and as an overwhelming christian country, they didn't particularly like the arabs either.
Mexico has a different kind of border policing going on now; it's become an even more incredibly dangerous place than it always has been. I can't help but think this is by design, but it's not intended to keep anyone out of the USA, but to keep Americans in as the economy goes to shit. The US has been shitting directly on Mexico for about as long as it's been a single entity and before that, others were doing it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
That's why I rarely watch Comedy Central, and avoid funny movies on that channel like the plague. They always censor heavily, and usually what's cut is the funniest part of a movie.
They're not the only offenders, or even the worst. I refuse to watch any movie rated more than G on TV; I'll rent the DVD instead and the morons and their advertisers can go to hell. Show it or don't, but damn it DON'T CENSOR!!
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Yes, but there haven't been any open threats or thinly-veiled "warnings" either. There also isn't a recent precedent of non-believers being threatened and/or murdered over such depictions either. Bottom line, religious fundamentalists are assholes in general, but only one particular religion's fundamentalists have gone this far in recent memory.
I like to think of online DRM as something akin to a college -- you pay for lessons until you learn something.
"I'm not buying anything with your logo on it until you sort this out." Why would they care if you think they're pussies? Why would they care if they're producing mediocre content? All they care about is filthy, filthy mammon.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
you say "entire media organisations and even political parties" commit the fallacy of ascribing to all of islam the crimes of a few kooks. really?
"entire media organization and even political parties"
why is this any different than citing "entire religions and even nationalities"?
it's the same logical error: you've ascribed to huge diverse groups the opinion of a tiny fringe. you're part of the problem. you're a blind partisan: you've stopped seeing issues and you have begun to attack people in groups. you're guilty of prejudice, of labeling and then attacking. you're as bad as the problem you describe
and with that, you've lost all credibility, because you see a monolithic block where there is only a fringe few acting badly, which is doubly a vile error you've made because it is the exact same crime you accuse someone else of
complete hypocrisy. you wind up using language and thought processes that you condemn. in pretty much the same sentence. you are 100% guilty of the same heinous error in thought you are trying to expose: stereotyping
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Well the way christianity is taught in the US doesn't include the whole "spread Islam with the sword" and "kill the unbelievers" lessons. When the actual dogma is immersed in violence you have a license to brand everyone who claims to believe in it as violent and brutal.
Anyone who has ever read the koran and still claims that Islam is a religion of peace is being intellectually dishonest. At lest the old testament has the new testament to partially undo the "infallible word of god" from the first rendition and get a little hippy peace and love action into the religion.
Unless they release the unedited version, I say this is BS. If the original version had no big black "censored" block, then how would the joke have worked when Tom Cruise got the goo and his own censored block? Can anyone explain how that joke would have made sense without a censored block?
Matt and Trey have a history of subversive comedy. When Bush was president, they said in an interview that it wasn't radical to oppose Bush, but saying "Bush is awesome" is hard-core. Come on, they love this stuff.
I don't believe this any more than I believe the credits of "John Doe" were because they were afraid of being sued by Scientology.
I can see them laughing at all the over-reaction (f---ing Muslims!) here and elsewhere. Andy Kaufman would be proud.
On a side note, the problem is not Muslims, the problem is a--holes who issue death threats and do other nasty things. A lesser problem is people who think the problem is Muslims.
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I don't know why there is not more christian violence.
There is not more Christian violence because Christianity in no way permits it. "But they claim to be Christians!" Yeah, and they probably are. But being a Christian does not make somebody righteous. And it definitely doesn't cure stupid or fix mean.
People are quick to implicate Islam because they are xenophobic or they have been led to believe that Islam is a violent religion. (I've never read the Koran, I have no idea) They don't blame Christianity because most people know enough Christians personally or have heard enough of the Bible to know that violence is not approved of.
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Fundamentalists are people who base their religion on an unmovable foundation: Generally this means a text which they believe to be 100% true.
So Christian fundamentalists believe that the bible is the word of God and thus 100% true (generally that bible is the KJB, since translations have essentially made Christian fundamentalism impossible without creating a fundamental text by fiat) are fundamentalists. Those that don't aren't. Those that say they are that don't believe some text is completely true are wrong about what they are. Those that do believe the text is 100% true but say "I'm not a fundamentalist" are deluding themselves.
If he says he's a fundamentalist, and he knows what that word means, then he's a fundamentalist. It doesn't have to mean a baby-killer. There are plenty of very nice fundamentalists in the world. (I find their take on reality a little annoying, but virtually all the fundies I know are very nice people who wouldn't dream of blowing anyone up.)
Fundies are deranged, yes, but we all are in some ways. Very, very few of them are dangerous.
The weird thing about being a fundie is that it seems like all religious texts contradict themselves any number of times (especially if you assume any particular 10 words means 100 words, and that the post-hoc analysis which expands the short text must be completely true) and yet, it must ALL be true, so they wind up having to come up with little intellectual dances to make the whole thing consistent.
Trey and Matt could move the show to HBO, that will show Comedy Central. If that doesn't work, hell they could probably move it to the Playboy Channel and people would sign up. If we can pay for naked people maybe if we pay enough someday we can hear words and watch cartoons without censorship.
Why would they head to Fox when their contract expires? Don't Fox have that rule about cancelling shows if they are any good?
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they just want no liability whatsoever over any actions that can befall over them a la don't-shoot-the-messenger style... say the executives responsible for the programming/airing being kidnapped and have their throats slit by a not too sharp knife, have the family raped or their property set on fire (insert catastrophe here) by any extremists. Freedom of speech is great but if you use it to offend a rabid bunch of fanatics you might want to consider the consequences. So if it was your ass, and your friends and families you'd certainly want to tread lightly, I don't think is about terrorists using fear to censor media, its about the media machinery (in money making business) not wanting to endure a (rather unlikely but possible) shitload of hurt because some pricks (audience) have lousy taste in comedy that finds making fun of other cultures (as old or "wrong" as they may find them) funny.
I watched the edited version of the show last night and read Revolution Muslims various websites. This is obviously a hoax by Matt and Trey, although I do believe that Comedy Central wasn't in on it and they added the beeps out of fear.
You do realize that part in the bible about "turning cheeks" had to do with petty insults, right?/You do realize that part in the bible about "turning cheeks" had to do with petty insults, right?
Maybe that is what you want it to mean. The reality is that Christian theologians have argued for a long time about the exact meaning of the phrase "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.". See Wikipedia : Turn the other cheeck
Note the rest of the quote: "If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back.". That philosophy is about as far from the American firearm lobby and their ideals of "protecting your property with lethal force" as it is possible to be.
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The guy in the bear suit wasn't even Muhammed. As became clear in episode 201, it was fucking Santa Claus.
They have gone too far. Depicting our beloved Santa Claus in a bear suit! We will hunt you down Mr Parker and Mr Stone. You will experience our wrath!
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Is there a version of this link (http://www.southparkstudios.com/news/3878) that doesn't redirect UK viewers to the UK website, where the article isn't visible?
No colour or religion ever stopped the bullet from a gun
There is one. It's "crusade."
Is she back up here? I had no idea...
Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
Why are people saying that terrorist have won? So now everybody who's a muslim is a terrorist?
First of all don't be mad because muslims have respect for their religion, unlike Christians.
They DON'T CARE that Jesus was looking up pornography in the episode or that Buddha was snorting cocaine. Why?
As you can see the South Park creators don't even have RESPECT towards their own religion, how are they going to have respect for other religions?
You say it's freedom of speech, but it's NOT THAT!
Nobody is stupid.
Somebody wrote about the Danish cartoon 'controversy'. The Danish cartoonist drew the prophet muhammed with a bomb as a turban,
he also drew his face as a pig face. Who would not be offended after publishing something like that?
Do muslims draw jesus and buddha and try to insult them? NO!
Freedom of Speech can only go so far. It's not like the rest of the world is happy with America. As you can see why.
It's a whole bunch of ignorant users on here bashing the Islamic religion, this is supposed to be news for nerds(smart people)
I don't see anything smart in your comments. Just hate speech.
if you prepare for the worst, you can't prepare for the best. when you prepare for the worst, that's exactly what you get
and yes: optimists ARE disappointed, most of them. a few succeed. no pessimists succeed
so basically you are asking me to choose between near certainty of failure, and certainty of failure. obviously, to try and lose is far better a life experience than openly choosing to lose and doing exactly that
the world belongs to the optimists. pessimists, this is a merely psychologogical solace for those who freely and openly choose not to matter in this world. fucking pathetic
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
99% chance of failure is better than 100% chance of failure
that's why you should always try, no matter how bleak the circumstances
pessimism is guaranteed loserville. optimism is mostly loserville. and psychologically, you're simply a happier nicer person to be around if you tried, and lost, rather than never tried at all: who wants to be around such a wormy slavelike self-powerless mind?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
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I think the episode was produced with the censor bars and bleeping in the first place. It is both funny and has (obviously) drawn more attention to this episode's message than there would have been otherwise. As usual, Trey and Matt display their genius.
success is a matter of hard work and luck
you can work hard, and still not succeed due to bad luck, but how do you succeed f you don't work hard? how do you work hard if you don't believe you will succeed? where't he motivation?
i would say that i suppose a successful pessimist is someone who just had good luck (since he certainly wouldn't have worked hard), but even then, most pessimists wouldn't even buy that lottery ticket
no: life is mostly made up of your own self-fulfilling philosophy. and if you are pessimistic, of your life, you reap exactly what you sow. pessimism is merely the ideology and psychological solace of the slave
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I think we need Mohammad to be depicted in your low budget Phillipino/NYC Horror Movie.
That's apparently been in production for, oh, 6 years or so. :)
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If they're going to do this for Islam then I expect the same treatment for Christians, Scientologists, etc. Muslims are not special in anyway. They are equal. That means they get all the good parts of life in America and all the bad bits too.
Why is this shit modded up?
We still have Christian extremists who burn crosses to scare people they don't like.
Are you suggesting that the KKK is some sort of devout Christian order? Don't they have a history of bombing Christian churches? This doesn't seem to make much sense.
Anyway, the point is that some Christians kill too, and most Muslims don't.
This used to be the case in the middle ages, but I don't think it stands up as a 'fact' today. Christians will kill you if you're an abortion doctor, but not because of what you believe, but because of the perceived threat to unborn children. It really isn't the same thing at all, I don't think. They're not trying to convince people to believe as they do through violence, they're merely trying to preempt what they see as killing of innocents. (For the record I disagree with their viewpoint, but it isn't precisely a religious point of view as it is an exigent one.)
Maybe you have other recent examples, though?
The rest of your post is fine.
> Are you suggesting that the KKK is some sort of devout Christian order? Don't they have a history of bombing Christian churches? This doesn't seem to make much sense.
I admit that I haven't researched the KKK, but its "avowed purpose is to protect the rights and further the interests of White Americans of the Protestant faith by violence and intimidation." (Source: Wikipedia.) (emphasis added).
And I agree. It doesn't make much sense at all.
As to the distinction between convincing people to believe through violence and doing it for some other reason, ultimately I think people do it because they want to or they're trained to or they have an economic motivation, and then they justify it in one of several ways.
In this case, though, we're also not talking about a belief, but an action: depicting Mohammed. It's not murder, but it's still not merely holding a belief--it's acting on a belief.
-- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
Who is this Muhammed? I remember decades of hearing about Mohamed, the prophet, and I currently know about 8 people with that name.
My friends are what we used to call Moslems. There must be hundreds of books referring to Moslems, but today the media has forgotten that word.
Is nothing sacred any more?
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South Park is a great show, and has insulted or portrayed in a rude way many religions, races, ways of life and celebreties etc. Everyone understood just how to laugh and get on with it. it's a funny show, now Just because the Muslims Prophet Muhammed has come into the picture they get upset and angry, did christians get in such a state when jesus was shown uncensored multiple times on many of the South Park Episodes? No, we just laugh. Another example to use is Russel Peters, i'm sure most of you have seen some of his shows. His acts are mainly about the different religions and races of the world, and makes fun about them. noone cares then. Why should this be different?
So as an avid South Park fan I've been reading quite a bit about this, and apparently some group called RevolutionMuslim is behind the threats that caused CC to censor the episode in question. RevolutionMuslim.com, their main website, seems to have been slashdotted to oblivion for the time being. However, the dude's blog is serving as their main website now, and that is at revolutionmuslim.blogspot.com On it is dude's e-mail, revolutionmuslim@gmail.com . You should all spam the shit out of him with death threats, and replace his blog with gay porn. A poster below put up CC's contact info, you should all also write them and tell them they lack balls of any kind.
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i wrote this to comedy central just now, thought id share it.
This is going to be a little long, it has to be. I understand you feared reprisal from extremist Muslim jihadists, you have family fear is part of the human condition, but matt and trey knew the consequences of their actions, they produced the episode knowing them and not being intimidated, and they deserve to have their message shown how it was intended. forums are flooded with hate for the censorship your network forced onto this show, even going so far as to censor a long speech given at the end of the episode that was about intolerance and fear. (not once mentioning Muhammad)i had originally thought this a joke as the name Muhammad was repeatedly censored throughout the episode, in what id assumed was typical trey and matt over the type style, only to learn it was an act of cowardice. in closing, i know i don't mean much to a huge company like comedy central, im just one man, and i understand WHY it was done, but in America, we still have freedom of expression, and censoring that because a group of radical extremists might get their feelings hurt, is tantamount to giving them the keys to the oval office.
and I am sure Jewish and Hindu would be ignored
That depends on the issue. I'm pretty sure if they made an holocaust denying episode, they'd end up having to yield too though probably not due death threats. That's the thing with political correctness. Give society a few years of the direction it's taking now and you'll probably have death threats for hurting the feelings of polar bears or sea turtles and firms of lawyers specializing in that stuff too. All in the name of political correctness.
The price of being controversial is rising daily. It used to be that one had the right to think freely, say what they think and publish what they say. The left side of that of that statement is being eroded so fast that you'll soon find yourself without the right to think. Why can't people satisfy with their right to think... differently? It's okay to disagree guys, no need to sensor or kill each other over it.
I am posting as a Anonymous Coward xD
Anyway, The way its going, I dont think we will see a Uncensored version of this episode, Unless it does leak, I dont think offically it will be released, Unless Dvd lol....
ITs available to watch in hd here south park episodes But this is the Censored version.
Well, It seems there was a car bomb found just opposite the comedy central headquarters, In my opinion it maybe related to the sp episode This episode is still available on the wolrd wide web in multiple places, Example South Park Episodes