As you pointed out, "the link is incorrect".
I saved a quote by Jim Miller from the site it used to point to:
"But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C# and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis for this purpose."
hmm. "have agreed"? Verbal? Written? A spit and handshake? That doesn't sound legally binding to me.
Good points.. just thought I would add that the value of information is artificially created by copyright law. Without the government, music wouldn't have intrinsic value once distributed.
People want stuff because it has value. If it didn't have value, people wouldn't want it.
I disagree. J.S. Bach's music doesn't have intrinsic value anymore, yet people still want to listen to it.
I don't see anything there about Physical property. Seems to me intelectual property can be considered theft.
From what I've gathered, the phrase "Intelectual Property" isn't acurate. It's used by copyright/patent/trademark owners to make it sound like they own property. Legally, information is treated differently than property. though.. IANAL.
Expressions of views that do not involve a "clear and present danger of serious substantive evil" come under the protection of the Constitution, which guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
wtf is up with our goverment's usage of the word "evil"? It's getting very annoying.
Can someone point to where Microsoft has said that.NET/C# and all associated patents are royalty-free?
Jim Miller of Microsoft on the.NET patents
quote:
"But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went
further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C#
and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis
for this purpose."
uhh.. can I get that in writing, Jim?
I don't know about ya'll, but I'm sure as hell
not going to trust Microsoft. Especially when
they become backed into a corner by gnu/linux.
I think we need to mirror any apps developed with
mono. Mirrored in a "safe" language.
see Mono's FAQ#131 from the horses mouth.
They must be _insane_ to trust Microsoft.
This will not be a sign that we've "already lost", but rather a sign that we are willing to do what it takes to win.
And what did "winning" mean in the Vietnam war?
Stoping a possible communist democracy?!
Gee, how threatening. No wonder people didn't care about "winning".
Is this some sort of trick? I find it ironic that microsoft is giving allegiance to open source.
ALIEN (A Lawyer I Am Not)
Any modifications you make to it can be sold by Microsoft, but not you. It looks like they can even "embrace and extend" your modifications without giving their modifications back.
Prediction: Microsoft will release their stable kernel under this Shared Source license within the next two years. What do they have to lose?
Except for the person paying for the creation. They're paying money for something that everyone else gets for free.
I don't think it will be just one person. To keep from going too far off topic;
imagine a group of Universities (hundreds) funding the creation of copylefted text books.
But that's the way it is, and I dare you to suggest something that's better.
The only reason it's "the way it is", is because the government says so.
suggestion: People make money for creating information, not "owning" it.
If there is a need for something, people will pay to have it created.
Once created, everyone benefits.
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hrm... Fri Jun 18, '04 02:30 AM 1 4, Funny
attached to Kock Safely With portknocking_v1.0
hehe
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As you pointed out, "the link is incorrect".
I saved a quote by Jim Miller from the site it used to point to:
"But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C# and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis for this purpose."
hmm. "have agreed"? Verbal? Written? A spit and handshake?
That doesn't sound legally binding to me.
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"Advanced Unix Programming"
I believe you mean:
"Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment"
His "TCP/IP Illustrated" volumes 1-3 are also great.
I havn't read AUP, so I can't compare him to Stevens.
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Is anyone SERIOUSLY arguing for the right to disseminate the creations of other people for free?
Get paid to create information, not own it. Once it is distributed you cannot control it anymore.
Copyright law is hindering the world, not helping.
but you are right.. it won't happen unless there is a major social change.
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How Magnetic RAM Will Work
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Good points.. just thought I would add that the value of information is artificially created by copyright law. Without the government, music wouldn't have intrinsic value once distributed.
People want stuff because it has value. If it didn't have value, people wouldn't want it.
I disagree. J.S. Bach's music doesn't have intrinsic value anymore, yet people still want to listen to it.
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I don't see anything there about Physical property. Seems to me intelectual property can be considered theft.
From what I've gathered, the phrase "Intelectual Property" isn't acurate. It's used by copyright/patent/trademark owners to make it sound like they own property. Legally, information is treated differently than property. though.. IANAL.
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Found here: http://www.fcc.gov/parents/content.html
Expressions of views that do not involve a "clear and present danger of serious substantive evil" come under the protection of the Constitution, which guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
wtf is up with our goverment's usage of the word "evil"? It's getting very annoying.
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But the fact is musicians can't work for free and at some point we need to start paying or the whole industry will die.
Pay musicians to create music instead of paying people that "own" music.
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Can someone point to where Microsoft has said that
Jim Miller of Microsoft on the
quote:
"But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C# and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis for this purpose."
uhh.. can I get that in writing, Jim?
I don't know about ya'll, but I'm sure as hell
not going to trust Microsoft. Especially when
they become backed into a corner by gnu/linux.
I think we need to mirror any apps developed with mono. Mirrored in a "safe" language.
see Mono's FAQ#131 from the horses mouth.
They must be _insane_ to trust Microsoft.
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This will not be a sign that we've "already lost", but rather a sign that we are willing to do what it takes to win.
And what did "winning" mean in the Vietnam war?
Stoping a possible communist democracy?!
Gee, how threatening. No wonder people didn't care about "winning".
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ENCYCLOPIZZA -- Guide to Creating Great Pizza and Pizzerias
has an insane amount of information on pizza. Check out the dough making foumulas.
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All we have to do is wait for The Weather Channel to upgrade their video cards..
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reading and writing to /dev/null is handled in:
/dev/null does absolutely nothing.
linux-2.4.23/drivers/char/mem.c:368
(The following is GPL'd code. Copyright (C) 1991, 1992 Linus Torvalds)
static ssize_t read_null(struct file * file, char * buf, size_t count, loff_t *ppos)
{
return 0;
}
static ssize_t write_null(struct file * file, const char * buf, size_t count, loff_t *ppos)
{
return count;
}
In other words, reading from and writing to
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Kuni: What's it going to be, Weaver?
Phyllis Weaver: I'll take the box! The box!
Kuni: You took the box! Let's see what in the box!
Kuni: Nothing! Absolutely nothing!! Stupid!! You're so stupid!!!
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
We need an animated version to the tune of the original radio broadcast.
They could easily do Beeblebrox's two heads that way.
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Everyone remember the old enlightenment versions?
screenshot1
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Great show.
correction: They returned a few grams, not kilograms, of lunar soil on the second try.
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not a once sided diatribe against all things capitalist.
Information isn't property. The "one sidedness" is with copyright law, not capitalism.
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Is this some sort of trick? I find it ironic that microsoft is giving allegiance to open source.
ALIEN (A Lawyer I Am Not)
Any modifications you make to it can be sold by Microsoft, but not you.
It looks like they can even "embrace and extend" your modifications without giving their modifications back.
Prediction: Microsoft will release their stable kernel under this Shared Source license within the next two years. What do they have to lose?
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"Mono" means "monkey" in Spanish. Presumably, it's because of Miguel's heritage..
;)
Damn, dude. That's harsh..
I suppose Miguel should just climb back up the tree he came from..
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Networks air PSA's for free
White House buys Super Bowl anti-drug spots
2 anti-drug ads at 1.6 million dollars a piece.
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Except for the person paying for the creation. They're paying money for something that everyone else gets for free.
I don't think it will be just one person. To keep from going too far off topic;
imagine a group of Universities (hundreds) funding the creation of copylefted text books.
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But that's the way it is, and I dare you to suggest something that's better.
The only reason it's "the way it is", is because the government says so.
suggestion: People make money for creating information, not "owning" it.
If there is a need for something, people will pay to have it created.
Once created, everyone benefits.
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But it makes sense too - it gives content creators a reason to CREATE content!
IMO, people should be paid for creating information, not owning information.
If the universities want better text books, then they should get together and pay someone to create those textbooks.
See? Copyright isn't necessary.
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