ahhh, my geeky brethren, then you would have a trike. As I grew up riding trikes and quads, I can say they are inherently unstable. So what to do? Add a... fourth.. wheel... oh... maybe the car isn't such a bad design;)
Meanwhile temperatures still are subzero in Edmonton, Alberta, and there is still a foot of snow on the ground. I believe this whole 'global climate change' when I take my parka off.
Well DUH. My patience is getting cut short. How are you supposed to play an Internet online game, without the Internet in the first place, that your steam account can connect to!!??!
Oh, let me guess, you'd prefer your own little island. Come and go as you please. Well, welcome to version hell my friend. Are you sure your client version is sync'd with server version? Or is there any method of banning hackers besides IP? (hacker jumps server, or changes computer, IP rotates etc)
I'm not saying its perfect, and I'm not a fanboy. I've had my own fair of troubles with it. I'm just saying, for the parent to spout off about steam not being playable under whatever circumstances he/she listed, is ignorant.
Yes, you can. I commonly play SP games on my laptop during my travel, in offline mode. I have no experience with Vista, but XP it works fine. I've never once had a problem. I'm not aware of any "call home" functionality, or limited offline time limits. In fact, I used to play CS:source without steam. There used to be some command line jargon you fed it, and it started just fine.
Even better, I have one steam account, and its installed on many computers. I can play whenever I want, wherever I want. On whatever computer I want. As long as I want. With or without internet connection. I bought it. Its mine. There are no CD rom checks, no version issues regarding online play. I can sell my steam account to anybody. I can backup my games and offsite them.
If that is DRM, then the definition is lost on me.
Awesome. You get modded insightful for your, ahem, less than fully educated post.
First off, steam can be run in offline mode. You don't need servers to play your fusking game. You can play offline, LAN, do whatever you want.
Second, Gabe himself said that if steam were ever to go down, he would remove any and all restrictions from playing your game, without the steam servers.
Become educated instead of braying along with the masses. Its cool.
Fine, codger together some assemblance of data storage using notepad, access, abacuses, whatever. If, heaven forbid, these "startups" ever took hold and gained any significant size, this "new model" will break, and I can't even imagine the hell it would be to merge, the "new model" into classical rdbms.
Sorry kids, you've bitten off more than you can chew, should have stayed in school and actually attended a class in db modelling. Good luck with this "eventual consistency", you'll need it.
Don't quote me on this, but after a protracted battle between Sony and 'Beatallica', they now release CD's for sales. I have to imagine a royalty kickback for 'beatallica' as they are the artists behind the creation.
I'm actually surprised beatallica hasn't been mentioned in context of this discussion, as they've set the high water mark for mashups, and have battled through all the IP issues, but then again, I didn't RTFA.
That is exactly how we do it. It also grants us a very distinct separation from the two, meaning in a few years we can rollout a brand spanking new UI, and ever have to touch the DB code.
1) Debugging/logging through Oracle is one of the largest pain in the arses I've ever undertaken. I don't even bother to debug code through toad anymore, its primarily just trace statements, that when "debug" mode is turned on, it traces pretty much every single operation, much like java stack tracing.
2) We manage source control through Oracle Designer, which isn't as nice as some of the fancy java source control apps, but it does handle versioning, which is all I really care about.
3) Deploying in PLSQL is just like Java, if not easier. As we have all of our tiers, when the decision to rollout to production environment, we schedule an outage, open our Oracle server in restrict mode, execute the rollout scripts, recompile the entire database, and then reopen the Oracle. As we are contractually obligated to be 24/7, we have to work closely with our clients (in this case, the Government, I won't get any more specific) and generally it should take no longer than 5min.
But you hit the nail on the head with triggers. Triggers are nasty little beasties that can cause bugs like you wouldn't believe. Having old triggers fire at obscure times, under changing circumstances is such a headache. It requires a strict adherence to naming conventions, standards, and above all, intelligent people to preventing trigger abuse.
Ahhh, no I'm not joking:) Sorry for being vague. Inserts/Updates/Deletes are handled from the view as well. We have an instead-of trigger on the view that manages our "business rules" and the base tables. Locking is completely handled by the Oracle, and as a DBA, I know that the Oracle manages this by issuing a RX lock, which allows other sessions to insert/update/query on the resource(table). Perhaps a small example.
A java front-end requires customer vital data: DOB, first/last name, city. This information for all customers is stored in a view. Lets say this view is composed of two tables. Table person inner joined with table status. When the java developer wishes to query existing information, he queries the view. When he wishes to insert a new customer, the instead-of trigger kicks in, and manages inserting into the base table (Oracle handles view insertion nicely, its possible to insert into a view w/o an instead-of trigger, but this example is exceedingly simple, and not how I would model it).
Essentially what has happened, is there is a communication layer between business and the tech side. Its easy for a business analyst to say, "I wish we could add postal code" and add a new column in a our view, that maps to an existing column in the underlying table. It makes changes incredibly easy, and dare I say, agile;)
I can go into much more detail if you would like. I have time; another benefit is like I said above, its quick/easy to do changes, which leaves people like me with a lot of time on their hands:)
Custom made map implementation? You mean a view?:)
This is why I like our new company architecture model. Essentially the application developers only see a view. The view should closely match the "screen" of the application. The view is designed, and optimized by architects, and then, of course, all these views are available in our DBMS, managed by our DBA's. Never should developers make complex queries; they just query the view. Although some definitely have the touch, the majority routinely do things incorrect or inefficient. The architects are a group of highly trained individuals who optimize the heck out of the view, and of course the DBA's ensure uptime, backup and DBMS tuning.
Rarely does the DBMS have to be tuned, after its go.
Its a great model and it has allowed a much less dependence on developers, who are the equivalent of educated transient gypies;)
I have similar qualifications, and dare I say it, using the xcode/IB almost became intuitive after a few hours of usage. Although, I am admittedly one of the ObjC bigots. Why stray so far from the beaten path?
I can't say the same thing about VS, and I've been using it for years...
This I know. But, heaven forbid you open your database like that, and you are screwed. I believe this oversight has been correct in Oracle 11g, but I'm not entirely sure, as I'm trained in 10g. We tend to keep our OLTP databases relatively clean via purge processes, and offload required data to our OLAP. As we have to maintain 7 years for litigation purposes on tape backup, having the EXP is basically yeah, the only thing I trust. It has never taken over 24hrs to perform an EXP, and this meets our daily backup requirement. It hasn't happened yet, but if we ever had to recall data from 7 years ago, I would re-install the old oracle version, IMP the data and present. I'm not entirely sure I can do this with RMAN.
Agreed. We have a mirror that we do weekly EXPorts from, as not to slow production environment. On prod have a second safety net of RMAN, but I've never trusted it. I've taken all the bloody courses, it just seems too failure prone. Heaven forbid you open your database with reset logs. It mucks the SCN up, or something irrevocably small. I'm still not confident about changing Oracle versions and have backwards compatibility.
In short, yeah, exp is tried and tested for recovery.
Seek medical attention? Good lord, does your mommy still make your lunch for you? Its a plastic toy, that doesn't require any sort of fret stretching, thumb usage, finger callus, right hand cramping.... warning labels on plastic guitars... haha, now THATS funny
Will undoubtedly get lost in the myriad of other posts. I doubt my tiny voice will be heard. I am a DBA, and my take on personality tests, is they exist for the sole reason of giving the employer a reason to not hire you.
Rationale being, since the potential employee requires a valid reason for not being hired (for litigation purposes), the management staff needs a reason to not hire this person besides colour of skin, food in teeth, showing up late etc etc.
The personality test has nothing to do with the hiring of this person, its a trick to get around litigation.
The fact that there is a market for it? Here's a clue, stop buying the penis enlargers and viagra pills and this market will dry up. The only reason spam exists, is because, golly, its working. Dumb people are buying these dumb products.
I actively pay attention to in-game ads. I then go out of my way not to buy products from these companies. Ergo, the more money a company pays for advertising, the less profit they'll generate from me.
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Didn't you know? 79% of people make up statistics as they go.
Its true.
yeah, favorite. movie. ever.
ahhh, my geeky brethren, then you would have a trike. As I grew up riding trikes and quads, I can say they are inherently unstable. So what to do? Add a... fourth.. wheel... oh... maybe the car isn't such a bad design
Meanwhile temperatures still are subzero in Edmonton, Alberta, and there is still a foot of snow on the ground. I believe this whole 'global climate change' when I take my parka off.
Are you listening Mr Suzuki?
Well DUH. My patience is getting cut short. How are you supposed to play an Internet online game, without the Internet in the first place, that your steam account can connect to!!??!
Oh, let me guess, you'd prefer your own little island. Come and go as you please. Well, welcome to version hell my friend. Are you sure your client version is sync'd with server version? Or is there any method of banning hackers besides IP? (hacker jumps server, or changes computer, IP rotates etc)
I'm not saying its perfect, and I'm not a fanboy. I've had my own fair of troubles with it. I'm just saying, for the parent to spout off about steam not being playable under whatever circumstances he/she listed, is ignorant.
Yes, you can. I commonly play SP games on my laptop during my travel, in offline mode. I have no experience with Vista, but XP it works fine. I've never once had a problem. I'm not aware of any "call home" functionality, or limited offline time limits. In fact, I used to play CS:source without steam. There used to be some command line jargon you fed it, and it started just fine.
Even better, I have one steam account, and its installed on many computers. I can play whenever I want, wherever I want. On whatever computer I want. As long as I want. With or without internet connection. I bought it. Its mine. There are no CD rom checks, no version issues regarding online play. I can sell my steam account to anybody. I can backup my games and offsite them.
If that is DRM, then the definition is lost on me.
Awesome. You get modded insightful for your, ahem, less than fully educated post.
First off, steam can be run in offline mode. You don't need servers to play your fusking game. You can play offline, LAN, do whatever you want.
Second, Gabe himself said that if steam were ever to go down, he would remove any and all restrictions from playing your game, without the steam servers.
Become educated instead of braying along with the masses. Its cool.
Fine, codger together some assemblance of data storage using notepad, access, abacuses, whatever. If, heaven forbid, these "startups" ever took hold and gained any significant size, this "new model" will break, and I can't even imagine the hell it would be to merge, the "new model" into classical rdbms.
Sorry kids, you've bitten off more than you can chew, should have stayed in school and actually attended a class in db modelling. Good luck with this "eventual consistency", you'll need it.
I read that as, "the pious fight to the death the hardest"
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Don't quote me on this, but after a protracted battle between Sony and 'Beatallica', they now release CD's for sales. I have to imagine a royalty kickback for 'beatallica' as they are the artists behind the creation.
I'm actually surprised beatallica hasn't been mentioned in context of this discussion, as they've set the high water mark for mashups, and have battled through all the IP issues, but then again, I didn't RTFA.
That is exactly how we do it. It also grants us a very distinct separation from the two, meaning in a few years we can rollout a brand spanking new UI, and ever have to touch the DB code.
1) Debugging/logging through Oracle is one of the largest pain in the arses I've ever undertaken. I don't even bother to debug code through toad anymore, its primarily just trace statements, that when "debug" mode is turned on, it traces pretty much every single operation, much like java stack tracing.
2) We manage source control through Oracle Designer, which isn't as nice as some of the fancy java source control apps, but it does handle versioning, which is all I really care about.
3) Deploying in PLSQL is just like Java, if not easier. As we have all of our tiers, when the decision to rollout to production environment, we schedule an outage, open our Oracle server in restrict mode, execute the rollout scripts, recompile the entire database, and then reopen the Oracle. As we are contractually obligated to be 24/7, we have to work closely with our clients (in this case, the Government, I won't get any more specific) and generally it should take no longer than 5min.
But you hit the nail on the head with triggers. Triggers are nasty little beasties that can cause bugs like you wouldn't believe. Having old triggers fire at obscure times, under changing circumstances is such a headache. It requires a strict adherence to naming conventions, standards, and above all, intelligent people to preventing trigger abuse.
Ahhh, no I'm not joking
A java front-end requires customer vital data: DOB, first/last name, city. This information for all customers is stored in a view. Lets say this view is composed of two tables. Table person inner joined with table status. When the java developer wishes to query existing information, he queries the view. When he wishes to insert a new customer, the instead-of trigger kicks in, and manages inserting into the base table (Oracle handles view insertion nicely, its possible to insert into a view w/o an instead-of trigger, but this example is exceedingly simple, and not how I would model it).
Essentially what has happened, is there is a communication layer between business and the tech side. Its easy for a business analyst to say, "I wish we could add postal code" and add a new column in a our view, that maps to an existing column in the underlying table. It makes changes incredibly easy, and dare I say, agile
I can go into much more detail if you would like. I have time; another benefit is like I said above, its quick/easy to do changes, which leaves people like me with a lot of time on their hands
Custom made map implementation? You mean a view?
This is why I like our new company architecture model. Essentially the application developers only see a view. The view should closely match the "screen" of the application. The view is designed, and optimized by architects, and then, of course, all these views are available in our DBMS, managed by our DBA's. Never should developers make complex queries; they just query the view. Although some definitely have the touch, the majority routinely do things incorrect or inefficient. The architects are a group of highly trained individuals who optimize the heck out of the view, and of course the DBA's ensure uptime, backup and DBMS tuning.
Rarely does the DBMS have to be tuned, after its go.
Its a great model and it has allowed a much less dependence on developers, who are the equivalent of educated transient gypies
I have similar qualifications, and dare I say it, using the xcode/IB almost became intuitive after a few hours of usage.
Although, I am admittedly one of the ObjC bigots. Why stray so far from the beaten path?
I can't say the same thing about VS, and I've been using it for years...
I won't even rant on about how one could purchase maps at the corner store. The funnier response would be terrorists would just attack blurry images..
This I know. But, heaven forbid you open your database like that, and you are screwed. I believe this oversight has been correct in Oracle 11g, but I'm not entirely sure, as I'm trained in 10g. We tend to keep our OLTP databases relatively clean via purge processes, and offload required data to our OLAP. As we have to maintain 7 years for litigation purposes on tape backup, having the EXP is basically yeah, the only thing I trust. It has never taken over 24hrs to perform an EXP, and this meets our daily backup requirement. It hasn't happened yet, but if we ever had to recall data from 7 years ago, I would re-install the old oracle version, IMP the data and present. I'm not entirely sure I can do this with RMAN.
Agreed. We have a mirror that we do weekly EXPorts from, as not to slow production environment. On prod have a second safety net of RMAN, but I've never trusted it. I've taken all the bloody courses, it just seems too failure prone. Heaven forbid you open your database with reset logs. It mucks the SCN up, or something irrevocably small. I'm still not confident about changing Oracle versions and have backwards compatibility.
In short, yeah, exp is tried and tested for recovery.
Seek medical attention? Good lord, does your mommy still make your lunch for you? Its a plastic toy, that doesn't require any sort of fret stretching, thumb usage, finger callus, right hand cramping.... warning labels on plastic guitars... haha, now THATS funny
Will undoubtedly get lost in the myriad of other posts. I doubt my tiny voice will be heard. I am a DBA, and my take on personality tests, is they exist for the sole reason of giving the employer a reason to not hire you.
Rationale being, since the potential employee requires a valid reason for not being hired (for litigation purposes), the management staff needs a reason to not hire this person besides colour of skin, food in teeth, showing up late etc etc.
The personality test has nothing to do with the hiring of this person, its a trick to get around litigation.
The fact that there is a market for it? Here's a clue, stop buying the penis enlargers and viagra pills and this market will dry up. The only reason spam exists, is because, golly, its working. Dumb people are buying these dumb products.
Sarcasm has no place on the internet. period.
I actively pay attention to in-game ads. I then go out of my way not to buy products from these companies. Ergo, the more money a company pays for advertising, the less profit they'll generate from me.
Fear, deadspace, Left4Dead.. all great shining examples of recent survival horror, not to mention the silent hills, resident evils and doom clones.
Dare I say it, but survival horrors are still lurking behind every corner
Well, not every corner...
I'm glad someone gets it. I was JUST about to send of a request that slashdot institute the mandatory IQ test as part of their user filtering