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Sarcasm Useful For Detecting Dementia

An anonymous reader writes "Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, but Australian scientists are using it to diagnose dementia, according to a new study. Researchers at the University of New South Wales, found that patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia (FTD), the second most common form of dementia, cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic."

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  1. This will end badly... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Studies also found that old people who do not have dementia are likely to whack you with their canes for sassing them.

    Doctor: "Oh, yeaaaa, you're normal"
    Patient: "Why you little whippernapper! *WHACK* *WHACK*"
    Doctor: "No! Ow! No! It was a medical test!
    Patient: "I lived through 15 wars and 5 depressions, and I'm not going to let some damn young quack backtalk me in the name of science!" *WHACK* *WHACK*

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    1. Re:This will end badly... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I wonder if this is exactly why the behavior of being a smart-ass has evolved in children. We need some way for young people to be able to know if an elder is mentally competent enough. If someone with dementia can't detect sarcasm, it stands to reason that by being a smart-ass, you can tell if they're still capable of making leadership decisions. If they are, then they'll smack you, if not, you put them out on an ice floe.

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    2. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And I thought I was just an ass, turns out I'm a dementia detecting savant.

    3. Re:This will end badly... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Fascinating point.

      We need some way for young people to be able to know if an elder is mentally competent enough.

      I'd suggest that sarcasm would be one of the tools youngsters would use to gauge leadership mettle, as opposed to the only one.

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    4. Re:This will end badly... by jonaskoelker · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Fascinating point.

      If you're intrigued by his ideas, I'm sure you can find a subscribe button on his slashdot journal ;)

    5. Re:This will end badly... by E++99 · · Score: 1

      I'm not aware of any ancient cultures in which young people being smart-asses to the elders were well-tolerated. And I have an even harder time finding plausibility in youngsters offing elders that "didn't get" their smart-assness. ...or maybe there's some sarcasm at work here that I am failing to detect.

    6. Re:This will end badly... by gregbot9000 · · Score: 1

      Well obviously it doesn't work. Too many false positives. that must be why children seem to think that all old people can't make decisions.

      Or maybe it works spot on and we all really are crazy. Wait, maybe it's happening now! Was your post supposed to be sarcastic?!?! am I reading it right!! Maybe I have Dementia. Maybe you planed this ahead of time! Your out to get me I know it, YOU'RE ALL OUT TO GET ME...Wait, thats just paranoia, whew, I was worried there.

    7. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it.

    8. Re:This will end badly... by jeffasselin · · Score: 1

      We are all crazy.

      The question is how far from acceptable norms we are, and whether our craziness is bad enough to disallow living in society.

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    9. Re:This will end badly... by brianosaurus · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. Global warming is dramatically increasing the number of ice floes breaking off the poles. There's plenty of room for all of you. Or is it "us"?

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    10. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Cowboy Neil, you really are just an ass.

    11. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What happens when all the smart-assed kids grow up always being sarcastic. They may reply back with a smart ass response making it hard to detect that they are suffering from the disease.

      What about cultures with different styles of expression. Like someone from say a certain country is unable to detect sarcasm cause their culture is that clueless. Just like some people from certain counties don't laugh at any jokes.

    12. Re:This will end badly... by amam12 · · Score: 1

      I know who I will pass this on to.

    13. Re:This will end badly... by bark76 · · Score: 1

      The dementia whisperer?

    14. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, your comment was REALLY funny. One of the FUNNIEST I have EVER read. Seriously. You must REALLY be FUN at PARTIES. Yeahhhhh. I bet you have a TON of friends, and they all think you're a LAFF RIOT.

    15. Re:This will end badly... by gregbot9000 · · Score: 1

      Thank you, thank you very much, that means a lot to me coming from an AC, thats the nicest thing an AC ever said to me. Thank you. I have to say though, I have never been to a riot at the Los Angeles Film Festival.

    16. Re:This will end badly... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Fascinating point.

      No... really.

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    17. Re:This will end badly... by Swizec · · Score: 1

      It's not that. Smart-assery is the substitution for physical and economical weakness. Since you can't beat them at life you can at least pretend you're smarter and of quicker thought.

      Which since the brain gets dumber and slower with age you are. It's, so to say, a young person's single advantage over their elders. So they use it in the ever popular battles of supremacy between alpha figures.

    18. Re:This will end badly... by ceiling9 · · Score: 1

      So the article is saying that older people with dimentia may not recognize sarcasm, but you appear to recognize sarcasm when it's not actually there.

      Maybe this is another possible research topic?

    19. Re:This will end badly... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      that reminds of the summer i spent at a Buddhist temple/monastery in Taiwan. i was in junior high or just entering high school, i think, and I went there with a couple other Asian-American teenagers as part of a Buddhist/animal rights summer camp program that our parents enrolled us in.

      despite being pulled out of bed at 4 in the morning, not being able to eat meat, being made to do farm work (the monks grew most of their own food), and having to recite stupid mantras every morning, and even being locked in a urine-soaked livestock trailer in the baking sun for half an hour (yes, i'm serious.), it was a really interesting experience.

      but one of the more unexpected things to happen was learning that Taiwanese people aren't familiar with sarcasm. while we were socializing with a few of the younger monks (their ages ranged from mid-teens to early-20's) one of the American teenagers responded to a question from one of the monks with a sarcastic reply. and while it was pretty obvious to all of us Americans that he was being facetious, the monks were rather perplexed. we tried to explain it to them, but the culture gap was too big. to them there was no difference between being sarcastic and lying.

    20. Re:This will end badly... by G4Cube · · Score: 1

      From my experience most of what Ozzie's say is sarcastic.

    21. Re:This will end badly... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Like someone from say a certain country is unable to detect sarcasm cause their culture is that clueless. Just like some people from certain counties don't laugh at any jokes.

      Don't be scared, We knew you meant "America" and "Germany". Just come out and say it, what can they d*È@ N O C A R R I E R

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    22. Re:This will end badly... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Actually, I wonder if this is exactly why the behavior of being a smart-ass has evolved in children.

      Are you from New York? No offense, just curious. I think this is a cultural isomorphism, myself.

      The behaviour that evolved in Australia is for children to grow up being amused at smart-arses.

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    23. Re:This will end badly... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Just like some people from certain counties don't laugh at any jokes.

      What culture would that be? The Vulcans?

    24. Re:This will end badly... by Scott+Carnahan · · Score: 1

      but one of the more unexpected things to happen was learning that Taiwanese people aren't familiar with sarcasm.

      I think you might be overgeneralizing a bit, and your experience might have been an artifact of the monks' local culture. My mother grew up in Taiwan, and she said that her second grade teacher was sarcastic to the point of being rather unpleasant.

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    25. Re:This will end badly... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      well, i remember the monk we were talking to telling me that he didn't join the monastery until his senior year of high school. and none of my relatives (aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.) really ever use sarcasm in their speech. i know that one of my older cousins picked up on my sarcasm, but that may have been because we hung out a lot while i was in Taiwan, or it could just be that she's more laid back than most of my relatives.

      i don't know. maybe their sarcasm is more subtle or nuanced. but my experience is that sarcasm isn't a part of mainstream Taiwanese culture.

    26. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so Buddhists are not funny people?

    27. Re:This will end badly... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      i wouldn't go that far. they just don't use sarcasm in their humor. i mean, we still shared some laughs during my stay there. even the older monks cracked the occasional joke. but i suppose their ascetic lifestyle requires a lot of self-discipline, thus they project a stoic demeanor most of the time.

    28. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but one of the more unexpected things to happen was learning that Taiwanese people aren't familiar with sarcasm

      Filipinos are the same way. They have no clue about sarcasm for the most part.

    29. Re:This will end badly... by bh_doc · · Score: 1

      I'm curious if that had more to do with them being Taiwanese or them being monks.

    30. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I have another example.
      The majority of spainyards (in Spain) dont't recognize a sarcasm too, Especially the older 40 without a university formation. I think that a sarcasm is a test for a cultural development society in general, but not necessary rich society so in the Easter Europe and Russia the sarcasm is very popular :-).

    31. Re:This will end badly... by Thorwak · · Score: 1

      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you ;)

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    32. Re:This will end badly... by focoma · · Score: 1

      Oh, of course we don't. Everybody knows Filipinos are too mentally-retarded to understand sarcasm. ;-)

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    33. Re:This will end badly... by monkeybutter · · Score: 1

      I AM German, you insensitive clod!

    34. Re:This will end badly... by rubypossum · · Score: 1

      Technically, isn't the role of a monk partly giving the student a hard time? I studied under a Zen master and he generally spent most of the time giving me shit, which translated into challenging my preconceptions.

      I think mainly he did it for his own personal gratification, actually. But to this day I crack a little bit of a smile at the notion of him pretending to not understand sarcasm, just to perplex me.

      At the moment I remember him fondly, at the time I wanted to kill him.

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  2. Sarcasm mark by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I found this bit from the Wikipedia to be interesting:

    In certain Ethiopic languages, sarcasm is indicated with a sarcasm mark, a character that looks like a backwards question mark at the end of a sentence, similar to Alcanter de Brahm's proposed irony mark ().

    So did the fledgeling movement of Slashdotters who proposed using the tilde ~ as the sarcasm mark beat them to it?

    1. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ~yeah, ~as ~if ~that ~would ~work().

    2. Re:Sarcasm mark by BigJClark · · Score: 5, Funny


      Sarcasm has no place on the internet. period.

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    3. Re:Sarcasm mark by Andr+T. · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a friend who said once that you can give sexual meaning to any statement as long as you end it with "if you know what I mean". Something like:

      Now I will recompile my kernel, if you know what I mean.

      Maybe people could use a sentence like that to imply sarcasm... maybe 'Obviously'.

      ...if you know what I mean.

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    4. Re:Sarcasm mark by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      For the sarcastically challenged:

      This --> () was actually an upside-down question mark encased in parenthesis(which weren't part of the symbol) and it didn't translate from copy and paste. The proposed use of the tilde would follow a line like the [/sarcasm] tag.

      I see what you did there, smartass :) ~

    5. Re:Sarcasm mark by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      That's what she said.

    6. Re:Sarcasm mark by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      The tilde is a good choice in English; in logic the tilde is a common symbol for negation, and since sarcasm is basically negation, that makes sense.

      Likewise the upside down question mark (whose proper name is "signo de apertura de interrogacion invertido" which, yes, means "Upside down question mark" in Spanish) would be a poor choice in Spanish, since it's already used to indicate the beginning of a question.

      Basically, what I'm getting at is that the mark will just end up being another idiom to confuse people, and is unlikely to ever replace good old [sarcasm] tags.

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    7. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your smiley has a goatee.

    8. Re:Sarcasm mark by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 5, Funny

      As an octogenarian who has seen the negative effects of censorship across various media over many decades, I find your desire to absolutely deny peoples' right to express themselves in a particular way to be not only naive, but also -- oooh, look at the bird feeder, that hummingbird is back!!

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    9. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smartass~ = dumbhead?

      Wouldn't
      I see what you did there :)~, smartass
      Or
      I see what you did there :), smarthead~

      Be more appropriate?

    10. Re:Sarcasm mark by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      Say no more sir!
      Wink wink nudge nudge.

      Ah is your wife a goer?

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    11. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a friend who said once that you can give sexual meaning to any statement as long as you end it with "if you know what I mean".

      Ironically, the same results can be achieved by ending statements with 'would you have sex with me.'

    12. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, like you really understand the difference between sarcasm and irony.

    13. Re:Sarcasm mark by swrona · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see...who patented it first? ;)

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    14. Re:Sarcasm mark by drspliff · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately it can also be a problem in real-life, generally when I'm being sarcastic I sound and act exactly as if I wasn't, combine this with my quirky personalty and it gets interesting.

      (while in a job interview)
      Interviewer: so what kind of hobbies do you have, apart from coding?
      Me: Well, rock climbing, some music production, necrophelia and subtle dark humor.

      I wanted to convey that he's just trying to make small-talk to cover up the fact that he's already decided they weren't going to employ me, instead his face twitched for a second and his mouth opened and you could see his brain clicking away trying to digest what I'd just said.

      Um yah, getting back ontopic you can be sarcastic on the internet if people know you well, we all understand subtle humour & emotions while reading what other people write, but for complete strangers that's pretty much impossible.

    15. Re:Sarcasm mark by Endo13 · · Score: 1

      ...if you know what I mean.

      We always know what you mean.

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    16. Re:Sarcasm mark by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everybody knows that sarcasm contains no iron.

    17. Re:Sarcasm mark by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      ~yeah, ~as ~if ~that ~would ~work

      Given that Mentor Graphic's Design Capture schematic utility (at least) uses tilde to indicate NOT (so that a bar appears over the letters indicated), your use here seems quite appropriate to me. Tildes before a letter only invert that letter, though; to do the entire word it must be at the end.

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    18. Re:Sarcasm mark by SydShamino · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or drool...

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    19. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do that, then the sarcasm isn't implied anymore, it's explicit. The whole point of sarcasm is that it's a sort of in-joke that can only be understood by those who realise it's sarcasm. And to realise that, a functional brain is often enough. Ending sarcastic comments with "oh and by the way I was being sarcastic" (or a "/sarcasm" pseudo-tag) just kills the joke and nothing more.

      ...I mean, that's like saying we should have words to indicate non-verbal cues, because some people suck at picking them up (if you know what I mean). Sound stupid? Yeah, because it is.

    20. Re:Sarcasm mark by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 1

      the upside down question mark (whose proper name is "signo de apertura de interrogacion invertido" which, yes, means "Upside down question mark" in Spanish) would be a poor choice in Spanish, since it's already used to indicate the beginning of a question

      The sarcasm mark is a backwards question mark, not upside down.

    21. Re:Sarcasm mark by E++99 · · Score: 1

      What if the inclusion of the sarcasm mark is itself sarcastic? ~

    22. Re:Sarcasm mark by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everybody knows that sarcasm contains no iron.

      It does if it's ferocious enough.

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    23. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      [rimshot]
      [shot to the head]

    24. Re:Sarcasm mark by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      Are you certain of that? Question mark?

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    25. Re:Sarcasm mark by gregbot9000 · · Score: 1

      NO this would be a goatse )o(

    26. Re:Sarcasm mark by gregbot9000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually i think this is better: EO3

    27. Re:Sarcasm mark by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean ;)

    28. Re:Sarcasm mark by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      to cover up the fact that he's already decided they weren't going to employ me

      Whether or not that's true, your comment certainly would have cemented him into that position. Self-fulfilling prophecy indeed.

    29. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your smiley has a goatee.

      Or far worse...

      Your smiley has a goatse.

    30. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, the same results can be achieved by ending statements with 'would you have sex with me.'

      And by same results, I assume you mean "slap in the face"?
      (sorry, yes, had to spell it out -- I'm new here, if you know what I mean)

      ps. Where was the irony in there? Is it just my being over 80, or did Alannis hide it somewhere?

    31. Re:Sarcasm mark by ezzzD55J · · Score: 1

      I never quite got that one btw. Can someone explain it to me :)

    32. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that hard

    33. Re:Sarcasm mark by gnick · · Score: 1

      I had an interviewer ask me the same thing after which we talked about rock climbing and poor attempts at playing guitar. Yes he was making small talk, but I got the job and I've been here ~7 years. Maybe he just wanted to see if you could relate with other human beings as well as you relate with computers and came to the conclusion that you could not.

      However, assuming that you're not in fact a necrophiliac, perhaps he could have concluded that your antisocial behavior was at least not a result of dementia.

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    34. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, where's the subtle dark humor?

      Oh wait, the "necrophilia" bit...

      Yeah, that was subtle and funny, yeah. Real subtle and funny.

      Ever wonder why you don't get hired? I sure don't.

    35. Re:Sarcasm mark by ezzzD55J · · Score: 2, Funny

      "that's what she said?"

      Hmm I guess I'm starting to get it.. ;)

    36. Re:Sarcasm mark by AviLazar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wanted to convey that he's just trying to make small-talk to cover up the fact that he's already decided they weren't going to employ me, instead his face twitched for a second and his mouth opened and you could see his brain clicking away trying to digest what I'd just said.

      More-then likely you shot yourself in the foot. I have interviewed many people and when I don't want to hire someone i try to end the interview fast with the least amount of questions. The small talk, as others have noted, was probably to get a personal feel for you to see if you can work well with others. Now what you should have done was make a joke and make the person laugh. That would have increased your chances at getting work...as opposed to going back to the unemployment line.

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    37. Re:Sarcasm mark by Mazzie · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope you weren't interviewing for a position as the webmaster of a funeral home's website.

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    38. Re:Sarcasm mark by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      For some reason I'm not finding single reference to "Temherte Slaq" in a document about unicode convincing evidence that anyone uses a "sarcasm mark".

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    39. Re:Sarcasm mark by Zwicky · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sarcasm is mostly down to the tone of voice, which is why the /sarcasm tag is sometimes necessary. That is, unless you are able to word what you are saying to be as unambiguously sarcastic as possible. "That's a workable solution /sarcasm" contrasted with "Yeah. Right. That's gonna work". Get it wrong on Slashdot and you get modded down. ;)

      Speaking of the tone of voice, I have a naturally-sarcastic tone of voice. This makes it sometimes tricky for others to tell whether I'm kidding or not. I remember talking to a professor who found it difficult to catch sarcasm at the best of times. It was a random conversation that cropped up as part of a lecture, in which he said, "but you can't be in two places at once" in an attempt to answer the question. Without thinking much about it I just blurted out, "well, you might not be able to" and I could almost see the cogs turning as he was trying to work it out. My rather stoic expression didn't help much either though. :)

      I'm great at funerals.

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    40. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. Even on the internet, sarcasm is easy to identify using context: in your example, "That's a workable solution" on its own is pretty much automatically sarcastic, especially if the context is something that's clearly a bad idea. Even with no context, it can still be identified as sarcasm because a serious person would have written "It's a workable solution because blah blah blah", or "It could be a workable solution, provided that blah blah blah".

      If you're going to use an explicit sarcasm tag, why not just say what you actually think? Saying "I loved that movie! /sarcasm" is plain useless, it's like saying "I loved that movie, but actually I mean I hated it". Just say you hated the movie for chrissakes! Or if you want to underline the sarcasm, say something like "I totally loved that movie, especially the part where you could almost here the director wiping his ass with the script!".

      Would the slashdot tag "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" make sense if it read "whatcouldpossiblygowrongloljustkiddingofcoursethingswillgowrong"?

      ...about your "two places at once" joke, I must say I didn't get it either. Were you referring to another person that actually can be two places at once? Were you implying that you were able to do that? What was the joke? I'd have been just as puzzled as that professor.

    41. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm definitely stealing your quote for my facebook profile!

    42. Re:Sarcasm mark by Digital+End · · Score: 1

      Anything can be made funny also by adding "In my pants" to the end of it.

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    43. Re:Sarcasm mark by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      While your "wiping his ass" example is clearly a more linguistically clever way of getting the point across, I don't have any big problem with plain old sarcasm tags being used to compensate for a non-audible medium. Those are good points though, and they are duly noted. We'll just agree to disagree on how bad the tags are.

      ...about your "two places at once" joke, I must say I didn't get it either. Were you referring to another person that actually can be two places at once? Were you implying that you were able to do that? What was the joke? I'd have been just as puzzled as that professor.

      It's the tone of voice that gave it away. ;)

      It wasn't so much a 'joke' joke, in the classic sense; it was quite subtle humor involving an implied put-down of the hearer and relying on them focusing more on what was said rather than how it was said so as to recognize the silliness; especially as he had no visual clues such as me grinning. (Something similar to Monty Python (ish)). Think: "Well you might not be able to [but I certainly can]; I win".

      However, because my natural tone of voice sounds sarcastic it was obviously quite tricky for him to decide whether I was joking or not, despite the absurdity of the statement that implies that I could seriously be in two places at once.

      For what it's worth, my sense of humor has been described as dry and has been known to get me into trouble before, particularly with colleagues who take offense.

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    44. Re:Sarcasm mark by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call that example sarcasm per se. It's more like an absurdity. Sarcasm tends to have an underlying meaning that is in direct contradiction to the statement.

      FWIW, how you answer questions not related to the position in question can determine whether you get hired or not. If I was an interviewer (which I once was for a brief period of time) and I had two equally or nearly-equally qualified candidates, I'd rather hire the more open, friendly person than the smartass. The latter candidate will be a troublesome hire.

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    45. Re:Sarcasm mark by glittalogik · · Score: 1

      Was your friend perhaps the American version of Whose Line Is It Anyway?

    46. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or... :)~o ... a penis.

    47. Re:Sarcasm mark by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      No, that's Mr Bobbitt's impression of goatse. The real goatse would be EO3~

    48. Re:Sarcasm mark by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      ezzzD55J passes to ezzzD55J, who sets it for ezzzD55J, who spikes it!! And the moderators go WILD!!!

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    49. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say no more sir!
      Wink wink nudge nudge.

      Ah is your wife a goer?

      A wink's as good as a nod, to a blind man.

      Say no MORE, sir, say no more.

    50. Re:Sarcasm mark by LateArthurDent · · Score: 1

      Whether or not that's true, your comment certainly would have cemented him into that position. Self-fulfilling prophecy indeed.

      Not really. After the interviewer's brain finished clicking, he would have put together "subtle dark humor" with "necrophelia" regardless of whether or not it sounded sarcastic.

      It's also quite well known among people who interview well that a sense of humor is far more important than being qualified for the job. It's sad, but it's true in most places. That joke could actually have landed him the job.

    51. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      genius!

    52. Re:Sarcasm mark by aldo.gs · · Score: 1

      Hmm I guess I'm starting to get it.. ;)

      That's what she said!

      Oh, wait...

    53. Re:Sarcasm mark by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're assuming that the interviewee in this scenario didn't have any power in the interview process. You're also assuming that because he was being interviewed, he was unemployed already. Those two assumptions, although probably correct for most job applicants, tells us more about your mindset and your station in life than anything about him and his.

    54. Re:Sarcasm mark by aqk · · Score: 1

      Fuckin' young octos...

      We nonagenarians tend to catch and EAT the hummingbird!
      Good fer the libido.
      Not to mention the digestion.
      -
      And to hell with Al Gore.
        -
        PS- don't eat the beak.
      .

       

    55. Re:Sarcasm mark by instarx · · Score: 1

      He was probably trying to figure out if you actually thought that was subtle humor.

      Ten to one you didn't get the job and attributed the reason to their lack of humor. Now that's funny.

    56. Re:Sarcasm mark by Snaller · · Score: 1

      The Ethiopic languages beat them to it.

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    57. Re:Sarcasm mark by drspliff · · Score: 1

      Irregardless of if they were going to offer me the job or not, to me it was yet another ill fitting position the recruiter had found and not something I really had my heart set on (bashing together classic ASP/VBScript stuff for an intranet is not my idea of fun).

    58. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then all readers of your comment should logically draw the conclusion that they are in the early stages of dementia.

      So don't do that.

    59. Re:Sarcasm mark by kauttapiste · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah, I get your joke! Coding and rock climbing, that just does not compute!

    60. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (while in a job interview)
      Interviewer: so what kind of hobbies do you have, apart from coding?
      Me: Well, rock climbing, some music production, necrophelia and subtle dark humor.

      Perfect. I would immediately have given you the job.

      Then again, I'm not a recruiter.

    61. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. Even on the internet, sarcasm is easy to identify using context: in your example, "That's a workable solution" on its own is pretty much automatically sarcastic

      Hmm? No. "That's a workable solution" only is automatically sarcastic by EFL engineers, or engineers who are as fluent in English (culture) as in their own language. Pretty much the same as "we'll get around to it", when spoken by an Englishman, means "we're not interested". But everyone non-English will assume that their case/issue is still being looked in to.

      Problem is, if I'm reading a text on the Internet, how do I know whether the author is an engineer? Or rather, how do I know anything about the identity of its author? The only place where I would even think of regarding that comment as sarcastic is here on /. - but that is because my sarcasm detector is inverted here.

      ...about your "two places at once" joke, I must say I didn't get it either. Were you referring to another person that actually can be two places at once? Were you implying that you were able to do that? What was the joke? I'd have been just as puzzled as that professor.

      You is both singular and plural, and the professor was addressing a group of students?

    62. Re:Sarcasm mark by sbryant · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately it can also be a problem in real-life, generally when I'm being sarcastic I sound and act exactly as if I wasn't

      So, you're English?

      I've noticed that the English like to be very straight-faced when being sarcastic, and if you don't get it they'll say more and more outrageous things just to see how far they can go before you cotton on.

      Here in Germany they don't use sarcasm so much, but I think that's OK. Do you really want your car made by a bunch of clowns?

      A friend (American) complained to me that when he was in London and asked people if they knew the time, they said, "Yes." I had to explain to him about the differences in humour and humor, and that using straight-faced humour against people who are unlikely to get it is a national sport.

      -- Steve

    63. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Wikipedia, "temherte slaq" is not actually used.

      Although never known traditionally in Ethiopia, a sarcasm mark has been introduced in the Unicode set of Ethiopian characters Ethiopic languages,[1] (Â). Its use is not yet documented in writing Amharic or any other Ethiopian language. In fact, there is no documentation that such a mark is used in any language in the world, only a proposal by people such as Greenman [2], whose proposal was on a page headed "Dubious and far-fetched ideas".

      In opposition to that, the Unicode proposal says it

      is used to indicate an unreal phrase, often sarcastical in editorial cartoons. Temherte Slaq is also important in children's literature and in poetic use.

      Maybe including it in Unicode was just an instance of sarcasm?

    64. Re:Sarcasm mark by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Likewise the upside down question mark (whose proper name is "signo de apertura de interrogacion invertido" which, yes, means "Upside down question mark" in Spanish) would be a poor choice in Spanish, since it's already used to indicate the beginning of a question.

      No, you don't say!

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    65. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Freud was still around he would've been like, "Oh snap, bitches!"

    66. Re:Sarcasm mark by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      You forgot the wedding ring: €O3

      (sorry!)

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    67. Re:Sarcasm mark by s0l1dsnak3123 · · Score: 1

      Thats what she said.

      Ahh damn it, someone beat me to the punchline!

      Talk about original humour. Crap.

    68. Re:Sarcasm mark by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Here in Germany they don't use sarcasm so much, but I think that's OK. Do you really want your car made by a bunch of clowns?

      It depends really, how many of us are actually buying German cars these days?

      I'm not. If I were you, I'd start investing in some make-up, a big red nose, and a good pair of ridiculous over-sized shoes. If you guys can't be naturally funny, at least you might as well try dressing the part.

    69. Re:Sarcasm mark by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that the interviewee in this scenario didn't have any power in the interview process. You're also assuming that because he was being interviewed, he was unemployed already. Those two assumptions, although probably correct for most job applicants, tells us more about your mindset and your station in life than anything about him and his.

      Actually since the interviewee is applying for the job, the interviewer has the power. It is rare to be the other way around - typically if the interviewee is a well known expert in the field and people are bombarding him/her with high-end positions.

      But do tell - what mindset and station in life am I in?

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  3. Obligatory by PinkyDead · · Score: 3, Funny

    <sarcasm>Really?</sarcasm>

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    1. Re:Obligatory by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Boy, that post was so original and completely not predictable!

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    2. Re:Obligatory by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      I don't get it????

      --
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    3. Re:Obligatory by travdaddy · · Score: 1

      Really! It's quite fascinating actually.

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    4. Re:Obligatory by Aphoxema · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder if whoever called sarcasm the lowest form of wit was demented.

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    5. Re:Obligatory by operagost · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you could do better!

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    6. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    7. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, really.

    8. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the only comment so far that made me laugh

    9. Re:Obligatory by tenton · · Score: 1

      I wonder if whoever called sarcasm the lowest form of wit was demented.

      Or being sarcastic. :P

    10. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if whoever called sarcasm the lowest form of wit was demented. (sarcasm)No, just a punster trying to justify his bad jokes as being better than my bad jokes. (/sarcasm)

    11. Re:Obligatory by SimonInOz · · Score: 1

      I feel the real problem here is that it would be easy to conclude some 95% of Americans are, in fact demented.

      Oh course, deciding whether this is true, or the whole of America is having one big joke on the rest of the world, is quite another question.

      [Note - to all Americans who though this funny - nice to meet you. To all who thought it insulting, proceed directly to old folks home, do not pass Go, do not collect $200)

      (Yes, I am English)

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    12. Re:Obligatory by ElDaffo · · Score: 1

      (Yes, I am English)

      If your sig

      "Cats like plain crisps"

      didn't give it away

    13. Re:Obligatory by SimonInOz · · Score: 1

      see http://www.wussu.com/squatting/grimages/grcats.jpg

      Mind you, I live in Sydney Australia, where it is mostly warm and pleasent, as opposed to London where it is usually cold and dark, at least in winter - and whilst those other 2 days are nice, it just wasn't enough.
      So I guess I'm not as English as I was, sorry.

      --
      "Cats like plain crisps"
  4. This just in... by Daravon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...90% of the internet is demented.

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    1. Re:This just in... by onion2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fortunately Slashdot is in the other badger.

    2. Re:This just in... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Fortunately Slashdot is in the other badger.

      Badgers???!!! We don' need no steenking badgers. :-P

      Cheers

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  5. Ooo.. nice. by onion2k · · Score: 4, Funny

    What a great idea.

    If you're wondering if you've got dementia, and you thought this comment was sarcastic, then you have because it wasn't.

    If you're not wondering if you've got dementia, then you have too because it totally was sarcastic.

    Or maybe it's me who has dementia. I don't know if I'm being sarcastic. Oh dear.

    1. Re:Ooo.. nice. by syousef · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's me who has dementia. I don't know if I'm being sarcastic. Oh dear.

      No that just shows that this test fails to distinguish between dementia and social ineptitude ;-)

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  6. What? by jbeaupre · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I don't get it.

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  7. Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by istartedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since sarcasm is notoriously difficult to convey online, does this mean the Internet is a dementia simulator? Actually, that would explain a lot of things...

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    1. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not difficult to convey online. You're just having dementia.

    2. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off-topic: Shouldn't your sig read "For all intents and purposes"?

    3. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by B3ryllium · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Kid, your FACE would explain a lot of things.

    4. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by chubs730 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, he only wants it to apply in high stress situations.

    5. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since sarcasm is notoriously difficult to convey online

      It's DIFFICULT to convey sarcasm online if the person who reads it is an IDIOT. There happen to be a lot of idiots in the world (for some reason we allow them to reproduce) and the most notable trait of an idiot is that they do not believe that they are an idiot (they also assume that their first interpretation of a thing is the correct one). These two facts combine to produce cute yet totally inaccurate sayings like that bit about it being "difficult to convey sarcasm online" because it's more acceptable to the general populace than "shut the fuck up, you're an idiot". So am I being sarcastic or not? Why don't you tell me, you idiot?

    6. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Simulator? More like a stimulator!

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    7. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by pipatron · · Score: 1

      So am I being sarcastic or not?

      I hope not, because what you say is sadly too true.

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    8. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by mangu · · Score: 1

      Off-topic: Shouldn't your sig read "For all intents and purposes"?

      I think he's being sarcastic

    9. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by BCGlorfindel · · Score: 1


      Since sarcasm is notoriously difficult to convey online, does this mean the Internet is a dementia simulator? Actually, that would explain a lot of things...

      I don't know how you got here but I want you kids out of my living room right now!

    10. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he's making a statement.

      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares?"

    11. Re:Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by nomad-9 · · Score: 1

      Since sarcasm is notoriously difficult to convey online, does this mean the Internet is a dementia simulator? Actually, that would explain a lot of things...

      <sarcasm> Right, the internet is a dementia simulator.</sarcasm>

  8. They recognize it by mangu · · Score: 1

    But they call it "irony"

    1. Re:They recognize it by diskofish · · Score: 5, Funny

      Irony. The opposite of wrinkly.

    2. Re:They recognize it by ronaldb · · Score: 1

      I thought irony was like silvery, but worth considerable less.

    3. Re:They recognize it by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Funny

      Irony. It's like goldy or bronzy, only it's made of iron.

    4. Re:They recognize it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got that from Shirt.Woot!?

    5. Re:They recognize it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humour stolen from shirt.woot.com. :(
      http://shirt.woot.com/Friends.aspx?k=5642

  9. Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, Right.

  10. such as... by PDAllen · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, you're not senile, everyone forgets to zip down sometimes...

  11. If TFA is right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Empathy issues ...
    They find it difficult to interact with people, they don't pick up on social cues, they lack empathy [and] they make bad judgements," he said.

    Oh, fsck, and there I was hoping it was only my lack of social skills.. I better prepare for my demented future.

  12. What do they call it when... by Tarmus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You assume EVERYTHING is sarcasm?

    1. Re:What do they call it when... by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 1

      freak

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    2. Re:What do they call it when... by gregbot9000 · · Score: 1

      Puberty?

    3. Re:What do they call it when... by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 1

      Puerile, senile and sterile.

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  13. Slashdot by pzs · · Score: 1

    Wow. I never knew there were so many demented people on Slashdot.

  14. Astonishing implication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently everyone I know has dementia.

  15. House by Andr+T. · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe sarcasm is good to identify other diseases as well. That's why House is so good!

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  16. Kids in The Hall by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

    No, seriously, I really do have this medical problem that really does make me have to sound like I'm being sarcastic all the time. I really mean what I'm saying. I'm really not trying to sound like this.

    Or something like that. I gotta youtube that later.

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    1. Re:Kids in The Hall by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      Aha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjMYQyhjiYA

      Nothing like I remember but still fun.

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  17. In other, related news... by loganljb · · Score: 1

    Australian scientists have determined that a disproportionate percentage of Anonymous Cowards suffer from dementia.

    1. Re:In other, related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not false. We all taste yellow better than worm slippers.

  18. Apparently. . . by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

    . . .all of my professors are already demented, then.

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  19. Got Dementia? by senorpoco · · Score: 1

    Does that mean 97% of Americans have dementia?

    1. Re:Got Dementia? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Are you being sarcastic?

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    2. Re:Got Dementia? by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      New research suggests that the highest functions of our brains handle the lowest form of wit.
      The research has found that the ability to understand sarcasm depends on a carefully orchestrated sequence of complex cognitive skills in specific parts of the brain.
      Sarcasm is related to our ability to understand other people's mental state and is not just a linguistic form, it is related to social cognition.
      The research revealed that areas of the brain that decipher sarcasm and irony also process language, recognise emotions and help us understand social cues.
      So an underdeveloped sarcasm-detector could also be a function of American education and culture, not just normal dementia~;-).

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    3. Re:Got Dementia? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Dementia is a condition where the brain function degrades until it's not functioning anymore. Having a non-functional brain to start with is another condition. In literature this is often referred to as zombie-ism.

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    4. Re:Got Dementia? by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      So when little kids are telling potty jokes, they are actually exercising the highest functions of their brains? Worse: when my kid says he's going to pee on me, do I scold him or encourage him?

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    5. Re:Got Dementia? by afaik_ianal · · Score: 1

      Nah. They have nothing to worry about.

    6. Re:Got Dementia? by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      Q: So when little kids are telling potty jokes, they are actually exercising the highest functions of their brains?

      A: Only if they're being sarcastic

      Q: When my kid says he's going to pee on me, do I scold him or encourage him?

      A: Depends, do you like being peed upon?

      YT
      Dr. Phil

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    7. Re:Got Dementia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now dont be uneccesarily insulting, it is only 85%!

  20. You know how to really screw with people then? by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    Practice being sarcastic in a way that sounds a lot like how you normally talk. When you do it more with body language and word choice than tone of voice, it's amazing how many people will fail to pick up on it.

    1. Re:You know how to really screw with people then? by Sparton · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I already do that. Without trying.

      At all.

      This is not sarcastic.

    2. Re:You know how to really screw with people then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole point of being sarcastic is to convey the sarcasm. If you're concealing it then you're just failing.

    3. Re:You know how to really screw with people then? by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      So you mean blatantly lying and hope people pick it up from context alone?

      I know people that do that, in real life. It's just annoying and unfunny.

      Nobody likes people who do that.

      Nobody.

    4. Re:You know how to really screw with people then? by Zwicky · · Score: 1

      Are you British by any chance?

      I'm not being inflammatory here at all; nay, I think it's wonderful. The Brits are really masterful practitioners of this. I think because it's so ingrained to look at the world with a healthy amount of sarcasm and by extension, self-deprecation. It's a major driving force behind much of British humor after all.

      It's an amazing sight to see somebody being verbally cut down to size, but sadly it appears to be a dying art what with the politically correct brigade and all; you really have to be careful what you say these days around some folks.

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    5. Re:You know how to really screw with people then? by Sparton · · Score: 1

      Are you British by any chance?

      Actually, I'm not. I'm Canadian, but I do have a fair bit of British background in me, and I've also watched and enjoyed a fair bit of British humour.

      It's an amazing sight to see somebody being verbally cut down to size, but sadly it appears to be a dying art what with the politically correct brigade and all;

      Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the whole PC thing. I suppose anyone who can utilize sarcasm and dodge the PC bullet most of the time would be talented indeed.

  21. Alternate title by elashish14 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doctors Recommend Reading Slashdot to Diagnose Dementia.

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    1. Re:Alternate title by Idbar · · Score: 1

      So that's why we're all getting now 10 modding points. The "Dementia feedback program".

  22. Dang... by rodney+dill · · Score: 1

    Then I'm good to go.

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    You're on earth, there's no cure for that
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  23. Sarcasm is a Scourge by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    I am tired of people trying to appear insightful by
    stating an obvious irony in a sneering and sometimes exaggerated way,
    but this research will be of immediate use to all of humanity.

    So I say God's speed to those brave Australian scientists and their noble cause.
    The world salutes you!

    1. Re:Sarcasm is a Scourge by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am tired of people trying to appear insightful by stating an obvious irony in a sneering and sometimes exaggerated way

      I bet you're fun at parties.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    2. Re:Sarcasm is a Scourge by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1

      Sarcasm is actually different from irony, but it is ironic that you didn't know the difference.

    3. Re:Sarcasm is a Scourge by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      I bet you're fun at parties.

      Ha! Dementia detected.

    4. Re:Sarcasm is a Scourge by maxume · · Score: 1

      He just bobbles. Knocks 'em dead.

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    5. Re:Sarcasm is a Scourge by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Twice, even.

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    6. Re:Sarcasm is a Scourge by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Twice, even.

      Damn! Those dingo herders are on to something.
      In my defense, Nurse Ratchet has not been by with my daily meds yet.

  24. I know younger people by Landshark17 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Who can't detect sarcasm either. One of my friends can't pick up sarcasm in the least.

    One of our favorite pastimes is going over to his dorm and saying all the sarcastic things we can think of and watching him freak out. Good god, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

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    1. Re:I know younger people by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sarcasm works wonders with native Japanese. ^_^

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    2. Re:I know younger people by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      They don't even have a word for it in their language. It's not a part of their culture. So, yeah, naturally...

    3. Re:I know younger people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried a dictionary? There are words for it, 'hiniku', for example.

    4. Re:I know younger people by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about, nor have any idea the cultural background to the language. Suffice to say the word means "sarcasm", but it also means things like cynicism, irony, and satire. Those are NOT the same thing, nor does the word mean sarcasm except in a few cases. Look before you leap, buddy.

    5. Re:I know younger people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So would you say Japanese also lacks a word for 'blue' because the overlap with the English term is not identical?

    6. Re:I know younger people by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      I would say you've never spoken to a real Japanese person and tried sarcasm out - the concept is so completely removed from the Western one that you could hardly call it the same thing. That you keep arguing only reinforces that.ãLet me give you a hint: you can't know everything about a language by just looking things up in a dictionary.

      And besides, in modern usage, "aoi" is almost exclusively blue, so your point is almost a non sequitur.

      (Also, if you're going to check your own AC posts, why not just get a username?)

    7. Re:I know younger people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spent time at a university in Tokyo and have had at least one conversation with a Japanese person trying to explain the concept of American/western sarcasm. 'Hiniku' came up and I am aware of its nuances. I agree sarcasm has a very different place in Japanese culture than in American, but I think that to say "there is no word for sarcasm in Japanese" is taking it too far.

      There are many differences in Japanese and English (and most likely in any languages of different families) and there is rarely a 1:1 relationship between words, but I think calling a term in either language 'untranslatable' or to say one culture or language lacks the concept is the result of exotification.

      My knowledge of Japanese is not merely based on dictionaries, but I consider them useful references. They are not often wrong. I might also "give you a hint" that ad hominem attacks and a refusal to state your opinion calmly suggest to me that your argument wouldn't hold up otherwise.

      (Too lazy to log in; procrastinating on a paper.)

    8. Re:I know younger people by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      I spent time at a university in Tokyo and have had at least one conversation with a Japanese person trying to explain the concept of American/western sarcasm. 'Hiniku' came up and I am aware of its nuances. I agree sarcasm has a very different place in Japanese culture than in American, but I think that to say "there is no word for sarcasm in Japanese" is taking it too far.

      There's no word for the western concept of sarcasm. I'm glad your argument has brought you around to agreeing with me.

      There are many differences in Japanese and English (and most likely in any languages of different families) and there is rarely a 1:1 relationship between words, but I think calling a term in either language 'untranslatable' or to say one culture or language lacks the concept is the result of exotification.

      Not untranslatable, just lacking a single word to encompass the same concept. English doesn't have a single word to represent "killing someone to test a new sword" for example. Same situation.

      My knowledge of Japanese is not merely based on dictionaries, but I consider them useful references. They are not often wrong. I might also "give you a hint" that ad hominem attacks and a refusal to state your opinion calmly suggest to me that your argument wouldn't hold up otherwise.

      They're not often wrong, but without any kind of frame of reference, you'll end up with misunderstandings.

      As well, the internet being filled to the brim with people who are awful at Japanese yet style themselves experts, and considering your first comment was "have you checked a dictionary?", I could only assume you were in this group - assuming I've never even looked in a dictionary and was just spouting nonsense. So, yes, my argument holds up plenty well, I just don't have this kind of time to waste.

    9. Re:I know younger people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *head pat*

    10. Re:I know younger people by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      One of my original comments was going to be "condescending to the point of ridiculousness". I now regret changing that.

    11. Re:I know younger people by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      One of our favorite pastimes is going over to his dorm and saying all the sarcastic things we can think of and watching him freak out. Good god, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

      You really sound witty and mature.

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  25. Wow, sarcasm! by DeadPixels · · Score: 1

    That's original!

  26. Take my wife, please by GottliebPins · · Score: 0, Troll

    I've known my wife was demented for years

  27. (eyeroll)Really?(eyeroll) by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Do tell, bright light.

  28. Sarcasm Lowest Form? by camperdave · · Score: 1, Informative

    Whoever said that sarcasm was the lowest form of wit never lived with my former room-mate. He could hardly ever get a sentence out without some word play mixed in. It was constant pun-ishment.

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    1. Re:Sarcasm Lowest Form? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Wordplay/Punning != Sarcasm.

      *Some* sarcasm will make use of wordplay, but typically sarcasm is saying the opposite of what you mean, in a manner that conveys to the listener that you do not mean what you are saying.

      The best sarcasm, IMO, is dry sarcasm, where you do not tip off the listener... they need to be actually listening and involved in a conversation in order to get the 'joke'. I often use very dry sarcasm to determine if my partner in the conversation (or my student, if I am teaching) is actively listening... now I know that I need to rule out dementia before I can say they aren't actively listening :).

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    2. Re:Sarcasm Lowest Form? by Xtifr · · Score: 2, Informative

      **Whoosh!**

      He was saying (and I fully agree) that puns are a lower (much, IMO) form of humor than sarcasm.

      Actually, what many people refer to as sarcasm is really irony or satire. Sarcasm implies scorn or contempt. It does not imply "saying the opposite of what you mean". That's a particular form of irony. It may be sarcasm if the intent is to wound or disparage, but if it's simply done in good humor, then it's not sarcasm at all.

      Dry irony is actually one of my favorite forms of wit, although I tend to prefer when it's not too sarcastic.

      Of course, we may be witnessing the evolution of language in action here. I'll be fascinated to see what the dictionaries say about sarcasm in another ten or twenty years.

    3. Re:Sarcasm Lowest Form? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dry irony is actually one of my favorite forms of wit, although I tend to prefer when it's not too sarcastic

      Stop it, this is getting me all tangled up. It must have been sarcastic, right? But then, you probably mean it because I never tasted a drier comment on Slashdot. Please tell me you were just pulling our legs. And don't try to trick us, ok?

      +5 for the +3 Informative for the parent's parent.

    4. Re:Sarcasm Lowest Form? by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 1

      Yes, I believe puns are usually described as the lowest form of wit. Although given Shakespeare himself could not resist, its seems hard to justify. As he almost said "Get thee to a punnery",

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  29. Humorless bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Studies also found that old people who do not have dementia are likely to whack you with their canes for sassing them.

    Doctor: "Oh, yeaaaa, you're normal" Patient: "Why you little whippernapper! *WHACK* *WHACK*" Doctor: "No! Ow! No! It was a medical test! Patient: "I lived through 15 wars and 5 depressions, and I'm not going to let some damn young quack backtalk me in the name of science!" *WHACK* *WHACK*

    People really eat this shit up, don't they? Not a god damned thing was funny about this, but it still got the mandatory +5 Funny like too many other lame unoriginal jokes.

    1. Re:Humorless bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      People really eat this shit up, don't they? Not a god damned thing was funny about this, but it still got the mandatory +5 Funny like too many other lame unoriginal jokes.

      Jesus Christ! Did your dog die or something?

    2. Re:Humorless bastards by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People really eat this shit up, don't they? Not a god damned thing was funny about this, but it still got the mandatory +5 Funny like too many other lame unoriginal jokes.

      Talking about the moderation is sooooo insightful.

      If you can read and understand this, you don't need glasses^Wa fix for dementia.

    3. Re:Humorless bastards by Theoboley · · Score: 0

      No, someone pissed in his cherrios this morning.

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    4. Re:Humorless bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're grammar is awesome.

    5. Re:Humorless bastards by nizo · · Score: 1

      Sarcastic irony, the best form of humor.

    6. Re:Humorless bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My puppy was stillborn, you insensitive clod!

    7. Re:Humorless bastards by Wild+Bill+TX · · Score: 1

      If sarcasm is the lowest form of humor, irony must be pretty up there considering sarcasm + irony > all.

    8. Re:Humorless bastards by Skrapion · · Score: 1

      It's like infinity + 1, which, as you know, is the biggest number in the world.

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    9. Re:Humorless bastards by steelfood · · Score: 1

      So what's the mental disorder associated with detection of irony (or the lack thereof)?

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    10. Re:Humorless bastards by Bruce+Losis · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Being a US Citizen?

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    11. Re:Humorless bastards by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      So what's the mental disorder associated with detection of irony (or the lack thereof)?

      Wrought irony. That's kind of like regular irony, but twisted.

      Or maybe it was Goldy or Brassy. I forget.

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    12. Re:Humorless bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He must have dementia.

    13. Re:Humorless bastards by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Jesus Christ! Did your dog die or something?

      He must have dementia.

      Do you mean Jesus Christ, or the dog?

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  30. A good idea for early detection of mental illness by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, but Australian scientists are using it to diagnose dementia, according to a new study. Researchers at the University of New South Wales, found that patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia (FTD), the second most common form of dementia, cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic."

    I have suffered from Paranoid Schizophrenia since the age of 15. I'm 33 now, and I can say from my own personal experience that this is very true.

    One of the many reasons I have trouble 'fitting in', especially at social gatherings, is my inability to detect sarcasm. It can be terrifying when someone says something that could be interpreted 'literally' as demeaning or cruel but is only 'joking around' etc.

    I'm better now than I was, but usually only after getting to know a person well. Surprisingly however, even people I've known for 5+ years can still be sarcastic occasionally and it will go right over my head. They know about my illness however, and on occasions like those do me the favor of pointing out they were just being sarcastic, which helps.

    I think the approach in the article could be a great diagnostic tool for early detection of these types of mental illness...I suffered from schizophrenia without knowing I had it for almost 10 years. My life fell to pieces; that and my family and friends (the few I had left) finally convinced me I had a problem. I was the last to know I had schizophrenia...and it has been very very difficult coming to terms with it.

    Maybe if it was detected earlier I could have been treated earlier, and the damage to my life and my state of mind might have been mitigated considerably. I don't know.

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  31. In related news... by yorgo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...parody is being used to detect Alzheimer's disease, and satire to detect lupus.

    1. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is clearly false. Significantly more people are incapable of detecting satire than have lupus.

    2. Re:In related news... by crowne · · Score: 0

      funny + 1 : lmao

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    3. Re:In related news... by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not lupus.

    4. Re:In related news... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      ...parody is being used to detect Alzheimer's disease, and satire to detect lupus.

      Meanwhile observational humour is being used to detect herpes.

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  32. Hammer by mosb1000 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The hammer is my penis.

    1. Re:Hammer by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      The hammer is my penis.

      Gives a whole new meaning to "Stop...Hammertime!"

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      This guy's the limit!
    2. Re:Hammer by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      For those you who don't get it, watch Dr. Horrible's sing-along blog.

    3. Re:Hammer by DeadPixels · · Score: 1

      Or else.

    4. Re:Hammer by ZosX · · Score: 1

      Or else what?

  33. Ignoring Sarcasm Useful For Ending It by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    Can you detect when people are purposefully ignoring it? The quickest way to get people to stop being sarcastic is to take them literally.

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  34. Comic Book Guy would approve... by daskrabs · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Oooh, a sarcasm detector. That's a really useful invention."

  35. They might have dementia... by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

    ...or they might be autistic. Nice of them to jump to conclusions.

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    1. Re:They might have dementia... by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah, that's possible. Somebody spontaneously gains AUTISM at 65. Happens all the time. Hell, happened to my granny a few years back. We though it was dementia, but nope, the doc said it was late-activation autism. Tragic, really.

    2. Re:They might have dementia... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Maybe autism is early-onset dementia, and the victims are without years of experience and habit to fall back on to appear normal.

    3. Re:They might have dementia... by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice of you to jump to the conclusion that a psychiatrist only uses a single factor in testing for a mental illness. 'Cause the DSM IV is just FULL of illness that only have a single symptom which is NEVER a sign of another illness.

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    4. Re:They might have dementia... by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

      I stopped accepting the DSM-IV as a legitimate reference when they allowed Big Pharma to place the imaginary condition called ADHD in there just so they could push neurotoxins at children.

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  36. I propose... by Emb3rz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hereby propose that the customary "whoosh" be replaced with "You may have Frontotemporal Dementia. Please see your physician."

    1. Re:I propose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hereby propose that the customary "whoosh" be replaced with "You may have Frontotemporal Dementia. Please see your physician."

      That would never fit on my Nikes.

    2. Re:I propose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .*  <- Sarcasm

      .@  <- Frontotemporal dementia detected.
      /H\
      / \

    3. Re:I propose... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I hereby propose that the customary "whoosh" be replaced with "You may have Frontotemporal Dementia. Please see your physician."

      Yeah, because that's real snappy.

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    4. Re:I propose... by DirePickle · · Score: 1

      I think "Whoosh!" is my favorite thing about Slashdot. Googling for "whoosh" with various numbers of os gives so many awesome comment threads.

  37. Speak as a Masshole by raddan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    with a great love of sacrasm, I've noticed that there is a definite geographical component to it. For example, while traveling in the South, I discovered that my use of sarcasm was frequently either taken at face value, or misinterpreted as me just being an asshole. For instance, saying something like "nice weather today" (when it clearly is not) is an icebreaker that works across socioeconomic lines in a place like MA. However, [in my experience] in the South, uttering something so baldly wrong often earns you the you-are-an-idiot look. So while this test may be useful in cultures that actually use/value sarcasm, I think it may be less useful in ones that do not.

    1. Re:Speak as a Masshole by theredshoes · · Score: 1

      I am not trying to be mean or confrontation to Slashdot people, but honestly if dementia is related to sarcasm then people on this site are in trouble, at least with the dementia patients. Dementia is actually a very sad degenerative disease, where of course cognition is jumbled, making it difficult to even know what year it is, much less if someone is toying with you. People love to be witty on the internet though, and I think this site actually does a good job in general because there are a lot of people on here with well thought out responses which makes this site interesting to read. Well at least so far. :)

    2. Re:Speak as a Masshole by sunking2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's a wicked good observation.

    3. Re:Speak as a Masshole by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Actually, it just means the test must be administered by a local. It needs to be calibrated for the local sensibilities and responses judged likewise. Someone from the area could probably use the test to good effect, and have the same experience with abject failure when visiting MA.

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    4. Re:Speak as a Masshole by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You probably would get the exact same look if you said something not sarcastic with a MA accent.

      I found that after a few days in the south I started talking with a drawl. Strangers became much friendlier to me.

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    5. Re:Speak as a Masshole by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 0

      I think maybe you are generalizing the South by a single, or perhaps very limited experience. I live in the South and have heard and said that exact expression many times and it was never taken the wrong way.

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    6. Re:Speak as a Masshole by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      Well, if we believe the article, that means that all Southerners are demented.

      Nah, that couldn't possibly be true.

    7. Re:Speak as a Masshole by raddan · · Score: 1

      Most of my experience was hiking from Georgia to Maine on at the AT. I was in contact with lots of people, especially southerners, since the majority of people hiking on the trail are from the South. I figure that the amount of time I spent south of the Mason-Dixon line to be about 4 months. But I also have family in the south, and I've had quite a lot of contact with them-- and they love to bring up these kinds of conversation in particular.

      But another poster pointed out that it may have been my northern accent that threw people off. This is entirely possible, since I was frequently referred to as a "Yank", even by friends. This didn't bother me in the slightest, but it was clear that there was a lot of historical resentment behind the utterance of that word.

      BTW, I didn't mean to denigrate southern people in any way-- I just meant to point out that one's appreciation of humor is firmly seated in one's cultural context. In general, northerners and southerners are not that different, but there are some occasional gotchas. Like, it is completely unacceptable in the north-- or at least in Boston-- to speak to someone in the checkout line like you know them. But people tend to be a bit more friendly in the south.

    8. Re:Speak as a Masshole by neil-ngc · · Score: 1

      Has it occurred to you that all southerners may suffer from dementia? What with the inbreeding and all?

    9. Re:Speak as a Masshole by twmcneil · · Score: 1

      That's because we ancestral victims of the War of Northern Aggression are convinced that every Yankee is an idiot. You don't know the difference between an alligator and a crocodile. You drive slow in the left lane, crowd our restaurants during season and you think a gopher is a rodent.

      It's just like how you mentally deduct 20 points from your estimate of my IQ when you hear my Southern Accent.

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    10. Re:Speak as a Masshole by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I've lived in this shithole for almost 15 years, and I've still got my NY accent. Odd, really, considering I keep very little contact with friends/family from NY.

    11. Re:Speak as a Masshole by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      NY accents can be tough to dodge. I knew a lady with the classic NY Jewish accent who spent 20 years speaking French in Africa. She sounds like anyone speaking French, but when she switches to English I could pick her out of a noisy crowd without trying.

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    12. Re:Speak as a Masshole by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      For instance, saying something like "nice weather today" (when it clearly is not) is an icebreaker that works across socioeconomic lines in a place like MA. However, [in my experience] in the South, uttering something so baldly wrong often earns you the you-are-an-idiot look.

      It's not the blatant incorrectness. It's the implied attitude problem. It's one thing to use that line with friends, which would usually get a laugh, but it's another to bring negativity to a perfect stranger in the South. It's not that it's offensive; it just starts the conversation off on the wrong mood in what's generally a place where people are expected to begin contact on a friendlier note.

      This is true even though you might be trying to be friendly by showing that you share the same irritations. Hard to explain. I'm a naturally sarcastic person myself, but I'd be hesitant to greet someone new with sarcasm unless I was trying to irritate them or just *knew* that a person was pre-inclined to laugh about the situation. It's just abrasive, even if you don't mean it to be.

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    13. Re:Speak as a Masshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the article: "...countries not renowned for their appreciation of sarcasm or irony..."

      Which renowned countries? Would they be Nordic?

    14. Re:Speak as a Masshole by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      For example, while traveling in the South, I discovered that my use of sarcasm was frequently either taken at face value, or misinterpreted as me just being an asshole. For instance, saying something like "nice weather today" (when it clearly is not) is an icebreaker that works across socioeconomic lines in a place like MA. However, [in my experience] in the South, uttering something so baldly wrong often earns you the you-are-an-idiot look.

      Much depends on your tone - I'm from the South and can say "nice weather today" (when it's clearly not) and have it be accepted as sarcasm, but then I know how (and more importantly when and to who) to deliver the line. Just because it you can make it work across socioeconomic boundaries in one culture, doesn't mean you can make it work across cultural boundaries in a different culture. Southern icebreakers don't tend to use sarcasm, and sarcasm verges on being bad manners - and bad manners are acceptable only in certain specific circumstances and *decidely* offensive when coming from a stranger. You got a 'you-are-an-idiot' look because you (wrongly) presumed to use a familiarity you weren't entitled to.

    15. Re:Speak as a Masshole by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 1

      I was in a product training class in Minnesota. I taught a classmate from Houma Louisana how to ski. He had a KILLER sarcastic sense of humor that went way over the heads of the Minnesotans.

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    16. Re:Speak as a Masshole by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      Is it really that way in the South? What a shame! I'm in England at the moment, and it's a delight on a freezing, rainy day to be able to say cheerfully 'lovely weather we're having' and expect an even reply like 'I may do a spot of gardening later', or perhaps 'can't stop and chat, I must swim off to work'. A dry exchange of absurdities is a great way to convey agreement that the situation is less than ideal, but what can we do except persevere?

      Of course, you'll still get a filthy look if you try that line while you're warm and dry but the other person is soaking wet.

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    17. Re:Speak as a Masshole by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      I kind of imagine that someone from England and someone from Massachusetts have a slightly different approach to absurdity & sarcasm. You have to deliver the line with a big smile to pull it off in the South instead of the surliness Massachusetts is infamous for. It's all about delivery.

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  38. Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh really?

  39. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  40. This is a relief.... by TheBunnyGirl.com · · Score: 1

    At least I know now that my parents aren't showing any early signs.... and if using sarcasm is a good indicator that someone is not at immediate risk, then my mother should never have to worry.

  41. This test has to be relative... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people just can't detect sarcasm (and they largely overlap with people with slow wits). Children are also known to fail to understand sarcasm until they hit a certain level of intellectual maturity.

    In order for this test to work, you'd have to be checked regularly.

  42. Detecting sarcasm is not easy by technienerd · · Score: 1

    I can never claim I'm a master of sarcasm. I tend to accept things at face value unless someone says something that's completely out of character or nonsense. I can't help it that's just the way I am. Over time as I learn a person's personality I tend to anticipate sarcastic remarks. It takes me a while to pick up on tone of voice, and body language associated with sarcasm because each person's presentation is unique. Frankly I don't know how most people read sarcasm. I'm not demented and I tend to think of myself as being reasonably smart, so I tend to believe mastering sarcasm is not universal human trait so measuring dementia based on lack of perception of sarcasm cannot be that accurate. I will say that my inability to read sarcasm, among other things, causes many of my friends and colleagues to claim that I seem to have Asperger's syndrome but I haven't been diagnosed with it by a physician.

    1. Re:Detecting sarcasm is not easy by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      It also doesn't help that a lot of people make sarcastic comments as an childish emotional response and the comment could be equally acceptable taken in either manor. I'm probably more sarcastic than most, but for the sake of communication I lay it on pretty thick or not at all.

  43. My poor family by PapaSmurph · · Score: 1

    My whole family must be suffering from frontotemporal dementia. They had to stoop to the level of giving me a sarcasm sign so they would know I'm being sarcastic.

    And what about Dr Sheldon Cooper, PhD? I thought he was a genius, not demented.

      I always knew they were a little nuts

  44. Why so? by Haralampi · · Score: 1

    "Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit..." - why so? Just because sarcasm is viewed as offensive in the Western society doesn't mean it is the lowest form of wit.

    1. Re:Why so? by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      To me, the reason it is considered the lowest form of wit is because that almost anyone of reasonable intellectual capacity can say something in a sarcastic tone and to try and make someone look inferior. It takes a person who is more educated to actually disprove something someone is saying or to point out there flaws in a more graceful manner.

      It's sooo hard to understand, isn't it?

      See?

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    2. Re:Why so? by Neoprofin · · Score: 2, Informative

      The assumption that the only use of sarcasm is to make others look inferior or express dislike without any actual thought is the exact reason I look on anyone who looks down on it as just as stupid. The language is what it is, you can belittle and hurt just as easily with well formed, detailed criticism, you can be graceful or not. Sarcasm has never been the problem, assholes are the problem, and they were the problem long before they gave sarcasm a bad rap.

    3. Re:Why so? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      Sadly, no matter how cruel and vicious one's invention, there will always be some sickly do-gooder who finds a way to abuse it for the good.

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    4. Re:Why so? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      The only people who commonly say that "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" are typically those who are too stupid to appreciate the irony of any given situation or those who have such a narrow and specific world view they are unable to appreciate anything which falls outside of it.

      Most normal people realise there isn't actually a universal scale of wit and particular types of wit aren't restricted to a particular band on this nonexistant scale because the nonexistant scale doesn't exist.

  45. if you doubt your sanity by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    you are most probably sane

    if you are certain of your sanity, you very well coudl be insane

    sarcasm is an outward expression of doubting that which is said with certainty

    and so in the end the act of doubting yourself is the only grasp any of us have on our sanity

    long live sarcasm

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  46. Riiiiiight.... Sure it is.... by Phizzle · · Score: 1

    Wait! Who the hell are you people?! GET OFF MY LAWN!

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  47. TBBT by ianalis · · Score: 1

    So Sheldon has dementia?

  48. ~I have dementia by Zarf · · Score: 1

    ~According to this I have dementia.

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    1. Re:~I have dementia by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      -1 for use of uncommon sarcasm punctuation. ( ~ )

  49. That was uncalled for... by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

    GP> those do me the favor of pointing out they were just being sarcastic

    Parent is just being sarcastic. I think you've heard what parent said plenty of times, and hopefully you've learned that it's a joke.

    But if not, just to avoid you worrying: they're not out to get you. Parent is sarcastic.

    [My conscience said someone had to say it. You can all move along now]

    1. Re:That was uncalled for... by pipatron · · Score: 1

      NOTE: Parent is being sarcastic.

      --
      c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */
  50. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by dword · · Score: 1

    First of all, I feel very sorry for you and I hope you don't take it the wrong way, but what are you doing on Slashdot, man?!? This place is full of socially challenged idiots pretending to be smart by using sarcasm (ummm... yeah, I realize I'm part of the crowd, but I don't care). Unfortunately, today's Slashdot coolness is often confused with funny sarcastic comments, instead of serious insightful comments.
    I'm also curious, how do you detect sarcasm in writing, if it's not specially marked, as one of the first comments suggests? Honestly, I have a small problem with sarcasm, too: in speech, I use too much sarcasm and other people often don't understand me, but when someone uses it I find it difficult to understand them. On the other hand, I'm close to the average when it comes to reading/writing.

  51. Not just for dementia by Pingo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From my own experience I have noticed that people
    in the very start of a psykosis episode also suffers from not beeing able to understand sarcasm.

    This is before they show any real signs of the mental illness.

    I lived together with a woman many years that had this kind of problems and I used sarcasm to check her up so to speak. It never failed to indicate when she was about to have a new episode and to be prepared to help her out.

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    1. Re:Not just for dementia by IMightB · · Score: 1

      I have lived with my wife for many years and let me tell you sarcasm with her NEVER does any good to shorten when she has an "episode". Sarcasm only prolongs a women's "episodes" in my expierience

  52. How do I wrote sarcasm? by xonar · · Score: 1

    I dunno lol

  53. Did you read the article? by argent · · Score: 1

    All the way to the last sentence?

    When questioned about the applicability of the test to people from countries not renowned for their appreciation of sarcasm or irony, Hodges said the test could be modified.

    Or was that sarcasm?

  54. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  55. goodluckwiththat by volpe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks!

  56. It's official, I'm demented. by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

    I'm terrible at dealing with sarcasm. At work, I'm very straight forward, and all but the most extreme bits of sarcasm are usually lost on me. I'll take what you say at face value and work from there.

    It's worked out well for me, but maybe I'm just being demented.

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  57. Well I suppose... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That makes Matthew Perry a walking dementia detector.

  58. Lowest Form of Wit by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit...

    Never, never begin a submission with a clever aside. You're absolutely begging to be contradicted!

    Here's the kind of wit that's lowest in my esteem, in rough order of lowness. Oddly enough, they're all popular on Slashdot!

    1. Proctological exhibitionism
    2. A Slashdot signature designed to trick people into logging out.
    3. Saying "automagically" instead of "automatically".
    4. Retooling worn out jokes to fit the current situation ("I, for one, welcome our new sarcastic overlords").
    1. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Neoprofin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Puns. Goddamn puns.

    2. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by pipatron · · Score: 1

      5. ????
      6. Profit!

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    3. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by ezzzD55J · · Score: 1

      Haha, you're asking to be pun-ished with that one.

    4. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      1. Proctological exhibitionism
      2. A Slashdot signature designed to trick people into logging out.
      3. Saying "automagically" instead of "automatically".
      4. Retooling worn out jokes to fit the current situation ("I, for one, welcome our new sarcastic overlords").
      5. Pretending to fix a grammatical/spelling error while introducing something new.

      There, fixed that for you.

    5. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure he's not being sarcastic?

    6. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Being a grammar or spelling Nazi is pretty obnoxious, even when your "corrections" aren't wrong. But I don't see anything witty about it. Quite the opposite.

      But you did remind me of a real candidate for #5: "There, fixed that for you."

    7. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you only use puns in a sarcastic manner?

    8. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5. Profit!

    9. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by taucross · · Score: 0

      I get it

      --
      "In the absence of the ability to establish the attribute of truth they tried to establish the noble attributes."
    10. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they just aren't punny anymore guys!

    11. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by instarx · · Score: 1

      Where are my mod points when I need them!

      I used to cringe at meetings when people would say "automagically", thinking themselves great wits.

    12. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      Where are my mod points when I need them ?

      Well, where did you have them last ?

    13. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by knutkracker · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, they're all popular on Slashdot!

      Yes, but you're on Slashdot too, so maybe you like them as well and you're just being sarcastic.

      How can I tell which...

      Oh dear.

    14. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounding much like it, in Portuguese the word "pum" means fart.

      Yea, nobody likes that either.

    15. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...except for the author ;-)

  59. Explains a lot... by Slomaniac · · Score: 0, Troll

    No wonder my wife can never tell when I am joking...

  60. I can't wait for the comments... by suggsjc · · Score: 1

    Wait, what was I doing here?!?

    --
    When I have a kid, I want to put him in one of those strollers for twins and then run around the mall looking frantic.
  61. EMT technique? by localman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know if this is common or not, but an EMT seemed to use this once to tell if I was going to pass out. I had broken my upper arm and at some point I guess I was looking whiter than usual (according to my friends). After putting the arm in a sling the EMT looked at me very seriously and said something like "What's the problem? You're a big guy. What's the big deal?" I was confused for a moment, then I realized he was being sarcastic and I laughed. When I did, he smiled, patted me on the (other) shoulder and announced "Yeah, he's okay. He'll be fine."

    I thought that was a pretty good way to tell how out of it I was. Of course some people don't get sarcasm at all, so it might not work all the time.

    1. Re:EMT technique? by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      I thought you just hit the injured part really hard, and if the patient screams tell them "if you can feel the pain you're not going to die, so quit whining."

      Maybe I've just been unlucky.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    2. Re:EMT technique? by aldwin · · Score: 1

      Naw, that's not EMTs, that's doctors.

      (Yes, IAAD)

  62. simpsons... by Rip+Dick · · Score: 0

    "A sarcasm detector... that's a REAL useful invention." [BOOM]

  63. Will this site's name change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /.~ looks good to me

    Also, the tilde could be automatically applied to first posts everywhere. Now this is true automation at work.~

  64. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by demi · · Score: 1

    This is a really interesting perspective, thank you. I don't know a lot about schizophrenia but now that you point it out, of course this would be a problem, because as a schizophrenic it would be hard for you to know what is reasonable for someone to be saying and what is not.

    A poster below asks, "how can you detect sarcasm in writing?" It's the test of reasonability. It's harder with strangers but it is part of reading comprehension to determine from tone and context what it would be reasonable for someone to put forward.

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  65. sarcasm is cultural.... by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Informative

    sarcasm is cultural.... I grew up in Jamaica, after moving to the US I had a very hard time understanding sarcasm which is very common here. In my experience growing up in Jamaica sarcasm wasn't common at all.

    1. Re:sarcasm is cultural.... by aqk · · Score: 1

      uhh, OK.
      So-
      Did you finally grow up? //
        . .
          -

    2. Re:sarcasm is cultural.... by superswede · · Score: 1

      Good luck going to Australia then ;)

  66. I must protest by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    No, *puns* are the lowest form. Sarcasm is the tool of the enlightened.

  67. great news by curtix7 · · Score: 1

    "I am REALLY sorry you are going through this grandma"

  68. Why keep referencing a Slashdottable site? by macraig · · Score: 1

    Why are there repeat references to articles at cosmosmagazine.com when it's already been established recently that it can't handle Slashdot traffic? A quick Google search with "sarcasm dementia" shows that there are TONS of other sources reporting this same news. Please reference another source that can actually handle the traffic so we can actually RTFA, okay?

  69. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Interesting. I had the displeasure of working for a sociopath once, and noted that he was utterly unable to process humor normally. He literally had to look around at others to figure out whether he should be laughing...

  70. Autism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about false positives among people with Autism? Their decreased ability to detect sarcasm could easily throw up some red flags on this test.

    (Off-Topic: My CAPTCHA is "condom".

  71. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have suffered from Paranoid Schizophrenia since the age of 15. I'm 33 now, and I can say from my own personal experience that this is very true.

    One of the many reasons I have trouble 'fitting in', especially at social gatherings, is my inability to detect sarcasm. It can be terrifying when someone says something that could be interpreted 'literally' as demeaning or cruel but is only 'joking around' etc.

    I think your friends are being passive agressive and there's nothing wrong with you. KILL THEM ALL.

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    echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
  72. Asperger's connection...? by macraig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From TFA:

    "(FTD) patients present changes in personality and behaviour. They find it difficult to interact with people, they don't pick up on social cues, they lack empathy, they make bad judgements."

    That sounds almost like a textbook description of Asperger's Syndrome. Hmmmm....

    1. Re:Asperger's connection...? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      "(FTD) patients present changes in personality and behaviour. They find it difficult to interact with people, they don't pick up on social cues, they lack empathy, they make bad judgements."

      That sounds almost like a textbook description of Asperger's Syndrome. Hmmmm....

      You're being sarcastic, right?

    2. Re:Asperger's connection...? by macraig · · Score: 1

      Not entirely. There might be causal overlap there.

      Oh, wait... you were being sarcastic! I failed, didn't I? So... am I demented or just autistic?

    3. Re:Asperger's connection...? by springbox · · Score: 1

      The definition of Asperger's is so broad that it's entirely too easy to diagnose incorrectly unless you specialize in treating such conditions.

  73. Oh my god! by msoori · · Score: 1

    This article just helped me to realize that I have dementia!

    1. Re:Oh my god! by dtolman · · Score: 1

      Why? This article wasn't being sarcastic... was it?

  74. AHHHH Happiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember Yall happiness is a North Bound Yankee!

    For you Yankees

    ~Happiness is a North Bound Yankee

  75. I guess they're safe. by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

    At least they are safe from the evil of Doug Piranha. If we could just get Dinsdale to stop nailing their heads to the floor, we'd be set.

  76. !Culturally based by eleuthero · · Score: 1

    Sarcasm in an individual culture does reflect the styles of speech / humor of that culture. Thus someone from Mexico who is a native speaker of Spanish is less likely to get a joke told by someone in France in French even if the Mexican knows French. At the same time, a joke told in Spanish by a Mexican to this same Mexican is likely to be understood. Humor and sarcasm are closely related and they are culturally based. The problem is that if the tests are modified to be based on people who grew up in a given culture with sarcastic remarks made by someone from the same culture, then they likely have relevance as noted in the article.

  77. ObSimpsons by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    Marge: Where's Bart? I haven't seen him since you came home.
    Homer: [Sarcastically'] Oh, you haven't seen Bart for a few hours, so you automatically assume I let something terrible happen.
    Marge: I didn't say that.
    Homer: [still sarcastic] I know what you think... when stupid Homer wasn't looking, Bart got kidnapped by a monkey.
    Marge: [concerned] I could never think of something that horrible!
    Homer: [still sarcastic] And now I'm using sarcasm to confess the whole thing, so later I can say that I already told you!
    Marge: Sorry I asked. [leaves.]
    Lisa: Dad, you can't keep this up for long.
    Homer: [still sarcastic] Oh, you're so right, I guess I should be more concerned with Bart's safety than covering my own butt! And maybe I'm talking like this, because I can't stop! HELP ME LISA! I HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS!

  78. PSA: automagic = automatic + magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    automagical is defined as:

    Etymology
    Blend of automatic and magical

    Adjective
    automagical (comparative more automagical, superlative most automagical)
          1. Automatic, but with an apparent element of stage magic. Commonly used in computer and other technology fields, referring to complex technical processes hidden from the view of users or operators. Includes a connotation of specialness and often implies pride on the part of the process creator (especially when the person using the word is the process creator). Sometimes, also used in sarcastic way, ironically implying an impossible process.

    The more you know...

  79. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A shot in the dark, but is anybody else reminded of the premise of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni?

  80. Gullible Girlfriend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My girlfriend is pretty gullible at times should I be concerned?

  81. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Pingo · · Score: 1

    Nice to learn that you are better.

    In an earlier post I revealed that my spouse had a problem with psykosis episodes that started after her first childbirth. I noticed that before every episode she was unable to understand sarcasm and after a few episodes I used that to check her out by using sarcasm.

    Interstingly, when she was completly well she understood sarcasm easily but in the very very beginning of an episode she wouldn't understand sarcasm and I used that as an indicator to get ready to help her out.

    We no longer live together and she is an old woman now and all her psykosis episodes is just a memory and she is now very well.

    I'm curious to learn if there was periods when you were able to understand sarcasm like my former spouse?

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  82. Re: Which is it? by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 0

    I agree. It's important and educational to talk about moderations. His first sentence is probably not coprophobic, despite the fact that that's the usual troll first post about half the time.

    His second sentence contains a multiplicity of clauses. You begin with attempting to descrive God Damning something, which might be the highest form of blasphemy in the fewest possible number of letters. Last I knew that amount of gravity in that small a space was a recipe for creating a black hole.

    Now, do I try to fly a kite on the backdraft of the whoosh accusation, or do I get a +1 Ben Stein mod?

    (Always talk to the mods in a post. It makes them happy.)

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  83. perhaps not suffering from dementia? by namekuseijin · · Score: 1

    What about people from Betelgeuse? :P

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    I don't feel like it...
    1. Re:perhaps not suffering from dementia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they'll work again. the movie wasn't all that bad

    2. Re:perhaps not suffering from dementia? by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      You mean a smaal planet somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse. Thats exactly what I thought! (-:

      HHGTTG rules !

  84. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry for being off topic, but I'd like to thank you grumpy for sharing that! I find these kinds of posts very interesting.

  85. This is Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It opens all sorts of new career possibilities for Don Rickles.

  86. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by corbettw · · Score: 0, Troll

    I have suffered from Paranoid Schizophrenia since the age of 15. I'm 33 now

    Wow, you've been using the Internet for quite awhile then!

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  87. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    Well, he is making fun of someone with a legitimate mental illness who had the courage to stick his neck out there. We all got the joke, but that's kind of like kicking a puppy in terms of basic human decency.

    I wouldn't worry so much about the humor-impaired as the humanity-impaired.

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  88. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by TimothyDavis · · Score: 1

    I recall an experiment I read about many years ago where the subject had their hearing artificially impaired. This person was put into a situation with people he or she did not know. These other people were having a humorous conversation - unrelated to the subject. Since the subject could not hear the conversation, he or she made the assumption that the conversation was about him/her. This fed into paranoia and resentment.

    I don't suffer from either paranoia or schizophrenia (my other personality does, har har) - but I can only imagine how difficult it would be. I guess I would really need to build a system of benefit of the doubt in order to cope.

  89. Re:Speak as a Masshole - Ob. Family Guy by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Oh ho! He say "Nice day," but he covered with rain!
    He say this when your know is not really nice day.
    Yes. He say the opposite. Is funny.
    -Vlad, the foreign guy from work who taught Peter about sarcasm.

  90. Well, this finding explains things... by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

    We all wondered how satirist Stephen Colbert was invited to the 2006 White House correspondents dinner, now we know;
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4973617448770513925

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  91. 20/20..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Researchers at the University of New South Wales, in Sydney, found that patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia (FTD), the second most common form of dementia, cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic."

    -I guess this means that most cops are suffering from dementia.

    This handy dandy little piece of information would have been helpful to know a while ago, especially before I told that Highway Patrolwomen she could put me in handcuffs anytime she wanted to.

    --
    Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
  92. Sorry for this one... by ejd3 · · Score: 1

    Really?

  93. difference between autism and dementia? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Us Asperger types (speaking only for myself) arent very good at detecting and reacting to other people's emotion. This sounds quite like early dementia.

  94. Also good for finding replicants by tillerman35 · · Score: 1

    Investigator: And in this picture, you see a woman holding a limp puppy in her lap next to an autocopter with a red smudge on the hood. Isn't that cool? Someone totally wiped out that puppy! Potential Replicant: No! It's awful. That poor woman and her poor little puppy! Investigator: Replicant! You're a replicant because you didn't understand that I was using sarcasm about it being cool that the puppy was hurt. And furthermore, you didn't show empathy with the woman. Oh wait...

  95. Sarcasm is the HIGHEST form of humor! by hellfire · · Score: 1

    Please! Sarcasm is the highest form of humor. It requires a good deal of intelligence to understand well crafted sarcasm.

    Note the list of people who have trouble detecting sarcasm:

    Dementia sufferers
    Aspergers syndrome sufferers
    Autism sufferers
    Rednecks
    Republicans
    Fundamentalists .NET programmers

    And it's quite obvious that all these people are suffering from mental disorders so it makes sense why they can't detect sarcasm.

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  96. Subtle Sarcasm - the dangerous type! by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

    Yeah, there are times to pull out the sharpest of sharp wit and make a mockery of the intellect of those around you, as they clamber for footholds trying to sort out what was just said and what was actually implied, but doing so during an interview might not be the most opportune time. Why on earth would a manager want to hire someone smarter and better than them, and happy to flaunt it.

    The problem with sharp wit - especially combined with a good poker face is that it very often leaves new aquaintances struggling to work out whether you are being a total wad or a comedic miracle.

    A funny story I remember was at a friends birthday party, I was introduced to some guests, one of which was a reasonably muscular and certainly trim man. The conversation was about a diet that he had started to lose some weight (I again point out that he was in really good physical shape by all appearances) and I was asked if he needed to lose more. I put on my sarcastic hat and said along the lines of "Yes, he totally needs to lose some pounds, look at him, I mean, such a fatty boombalada, it's bordering on gross." There were a few uncomfortable laughs. I didn't think much more of it until I was quietly asked by the birthday girl (who had been introducing me to the others) if I also thought that she was fat. After a brief pause, it appeared that even though she knew me quite well, surprise sarcasm may not always be either obvious to the audience and can backfire if it isn't picked up. (Once I turned down the sit meter from "subtle sarcasm" to "loud and sometimes crude" the evening went smashingly though, with a highlight being convincing a girl to - no less - snort parmesan cheese through a $20)

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  97. Shit! by Snaller · · Score: 1

    I can't detect sarcasm! I'm done for!

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    If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
  98. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at it this way: At least you're not in denial. That's probably the biggest hurdle, and that you overcame it at such a young age meant you saved yourself from a significant amount of pain and suffering later on.

    Paranoid schizophrenia is one of the most difficult mental illnesses to acknowledge, so kudos to you for being able to do it.

    The effectiveness of various coping techniques vary by personality, but one thing I have learned is that the paranoia portion is typically tied to some form of insecurity. Getting rid of that will at least solve half of the equation (for example, if somebody says something blatantly untrue, the insecure and confused person would say nothing and stay confused, but the merely confused person would ask for confirmation, e.g. "You're kidding right?").

    The other half, well, I've found that the ability to differenciate between dream and reality, and the acknowledgment that the brain is an imprecise memory device, probably are pretty good places to start.

    But considering that you've been coping with this for some 18 years, you probably already know this, so I'd say the above was more intended for the people who aren't so sure now that they've read this article.

  99. hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the scientists are just proving we're all f-ed in the head. :D

  100. Uber Sarcasm by residents_parking · · Score: 1

    "Patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia (FTD), the second most common form of dementia, cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic."

    Also known as ignorance. The best sarcasm is only marginally detectable. It's not wit, it's snobbery.

  101. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by againjj · · Score: 1

    One of the many reasons I have trouble 'fitting in', especially at social gatherings, is my inability to detect sarcasm. It can be terrifying when someone says something that could be interpreted 'literally' as demeaning or cruel but is only 'joking around' etc.

    A lot of normal people have problems understanding others' intentions; I know I sometimes do. I usually respond with some form of "Are you joking?", "You're joking", or some such. I also will simply not respond if that is possible, like when in a group.

    I also tend not associate with those who say things I do not like. That tends to fall out of me being rather open with how I think: a possibly mean/joking comment sometimes gets a "That's not nice" in a light-hearted tone, which is taken as a joke by those who were joking and a rebuff by those who were serious.

    Oh, and thank you for your post. I find it very instructive to know how others think/feel. It helps me understand the world and how to make it a better place. And good luck.

  102. Scott Adams figured it out first by Livius · · Score: 1

    Isn't cluelessness with respect to sarcasm also a pointy-haired boss trait?

    1. Re:Scott Adams figured it out first by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I thought the PHB is clueless with respect to everything!

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  103. But there are other reasons by ka5s · · Score: 1

    Many of us suffer from autism or Asperger's syndrome, sometimes undiagnosed, and have had to study and learn the cues of sarcasm and other social interactions. It is easier for some of us, and harder for others. Some may be good enough to pass for normal. Some of us may simply have been raised according to Spock. Not Doctor. Mister.

  104. yet another danger by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 1

    yet another danger of humoring rude doctors.

  105. that is one way to look at it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctors Recommend Reading Slashdot to Cause Dementia.

    There, I fixed that for you.

  106. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I was the last to know I had schizophrenia"

    Are you sure the other you wasn't the last? INSERTOBLIGATORYJUSTKIDDINGDISCLAIMERSOASTOAVOIDHURTING$RANDOMPERSON'SFEELINGS.

  107. Re: Which is it? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

    +1 for pointing out that a word exists for fear of feces.

  108. Ironic? by DarkRecluse · · Score: 1

    Ironic?

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  109. Re: Which is it? by aqk · · Score: 1

    You begin with attempting to descrive God Damning something,

    Speaking as a possibly sometimes demented coprophagous antiquarian, I must protest your descrivtion (sic) of us older anally retentive (or sometimes all too anally expressive) folk.

    Multiplicity of clauses? Migod!

    The planet Earth's orbit (OK, the northern hemisphere) is approaching the winter solstice!

      There is only ONE Claus! Our savory Saviour.
      Give it a break, you 2-bit punk. Go back to digg more sarcasm.

    Bah! Fuckin' junior blasphemoids...Let Gravity swallow you up in its awesome non-forgiving black hole!

          .

  110. they're going to hate you anyway by misanthrope101 · · Score: 1

    You probably got a dirty look just because you were a northerner criticizing southern weather. Pretty much anything you say, apart from "Man, I wish I was born down here--it's much better!" is going to be taken as disrespectful, insulting, and so on. The south has a huge inferiority complex (well-earned, IMO), and they'll assume you're talking down to them even if you aren't. I was born/raised in Texas, BTW. Now where did I leave that Dr. Pepper...

  111. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the post. I have at least two people in my (not close however) proximity, that suffer from schizophrenia and I just do not know how to communicate with them. Now I see, where the problem might be - my favorite way is usually based on irony/sarkasm.

  112. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

    A lot of normal people have problems understanding others' intentions; I know I sometimes do.

    Me too, or at least I used to before I realised I could understand exactly what their intentions were, the confusing part was why they are always lying about them.

  113. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Actually I'm not. His friends are being passive aggressive if they do stuff that pisses him off and then tell him they are just joking and it's his fault that he doesn't 'get it'. Fuck those guys, they're the ones with a problem, not him.

    He seems pretty coherent here so I assume he's able to grasp that killing people is a bad idea and thus that I was joking.

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  114. Why stop separate Sarcasm from Satire... by tyrione · · Score: 1

    when one can embrace a sardonic view and have the best of both edges?

  115. Re:A good idea for early detection of mental illne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously you have dementia, as the sarcasm in the GP's post is the most oblivious form. Even the blunt ``You are a socially inept nerd who can't knot his shoes and will never get laid!'' on /. isn't as anvilicious!

  116. I thought that Dementia... by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 1

    ...was where the demons live. What can we diagnose with puns?

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  117. Thanx for the insight... by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 1

    I will be more observant/sensitive when flexing my wry sense of humor around new acquaintances.

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  118. No drawl needed... by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...just add fixin' to your lexicon. Wait, isn't lexicon in Massachusetts?

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    ...Lorenzo / I'm into kinky crustaceans. I just discovered internet praWn.
  119. The lowest form of wit... by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 1

    ...is the pun. And I spent three years in the punitentiary!

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    ...Lorenzo / I'm into kinky crustaceans. I just discovered internet praWn.
  120. Izzat finger food... by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 1

    ...made with those little tinned fish? Be careful you don't cut yourself, Mordechai!

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  121. Is This For Real? by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or are you just pulling my leg?

    Anyway, people with dementia also serve to fill in the missing pieces by making things up ("confabulation" is the unnecessarily obtuse term for it), frequently accusing people of saying or doing things against them when in fact they had no such intention. Thus, people with dementia should also often mistake plain statements for sarcasm.

    Humor, now, that one would be hard to mistake. You may not think it's funny, but you get it or you don't. No mistaking it being personally directed. Much better diagnostic IMO.

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  122. pathetic micro dick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the above pathetic AC post the word nigger should be replaced by "this poster" in all cases.

    I for one am sick of these fucking moron racists.

    Free speech or not these kind of posts should be removed completely, they contribute nothing to the discussion.

    WHy dont you fuck off back to 4chan where pea brains like you belong.

    If you had any courage at all, you would not hide behind an anonymous login.

    FOAD assholes.

  123. Right, that'll work real well. by ReedYoung · · Score: 1
    Great, now all sarcasm is funny, no matter how unoriginal or obvious. If you don't find it funny, the "joke"-teller just diagnoses you demented. Wonderful. In the era of Will Farrell and Adam Corolla, even lower standards for sarcastic "humor" are exactly what has been missing from the entertainment industry, and now they're being smuggled into medicine, as well.

    Researchers began studying the role of sarcasm in detecting FTD, because it requires a patient to spot discrepancies between a person's words and the tone of their voice, Hodges said.

    I wonder how they separated the demented patients from the ones who are merely tone deaf. In the diagnosed-Alzheimer's group, we should assume some have varying degrees of hearing loss as well, but that their diagnosis is less likely to be a spurious result of their hearing loss. Because shouting five times a day for lunch would be as reliable for diagnosing Alzheimer's as asking five times a day for lunch, in a normal voice. An Alzheimer's diagnosis does not seem likely to be confused with hearing problems, even though they are likely to be coincident in many cases, just because of advanced age. In the suspected-dementia group, however, controlling for hearing loss would seem to be absolutely necessary, especially because they are proposing to diagnose dementia on an ability that relies directly on tone detection. Nothing in the article says the researchers didn't do that, it just doesn't say anything about it at all.

    1.5 pages is a respectable length for an abstract, not a summary of a funded scientific study, of pretty much any research topic. Slashdot science articles are generally fascinating, but ultimately, unsatisfying without access to the original. Not that I'd always go to the trouble of reading through the entire thing, but often I'd want to Ctrl+F for at least one string to see whether the research included _____.

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  124. lowest form? by dnrck · · Score: 1

    The lowest form!?! Sarcasm is the purest form of humour.