You seem to have the wrong idea about Wayland. It's not meant to do any of that, but to provide a slim connector between the hardware and the applications.
Putting all that stuff in one giant library is what led to X and it's persistence in the first place, nobody wants to repeat those mistakes.
Drag and Drop / Clipboard are more sent to helper programs, UI toolkits, D-Bus, etc. That way it's much easier to maintain and improve.
That's what the UNIX philosophy was all about form the beginning, one tool should do one thing, and it should do it right.
It's OK, runs fairly stable, but it also locks up once in a while and does some aggressive disk I/O. No idea what exactly, probably housekeeping, but it's somewhat irksome, could use some more fine tuning.
The main problem with btrfs right now is that it lacks fsck tools, so in case of havoc there is little chance to recuperate, which is not good for server like systems.
As for ZFS, it's not the tech that's keeping it from Linux but the restrictive licensing. Unless that gets fixed (probably won't happen), it is off limits, and Linux folks will do their own thing, like the always do.
..and their tendency to abuse every software paradigm.
As I see it, app stores / software centers are meant to unify application sources and updates. This implies to me, that there should be one of it and probably the best place is on the platform level: the OS.
If we start pushing in app stores on all other software stack levels (browsers, random websites, company specific app stores - I'm sure Adobe is working on something like that -, probably more will show up) then the whole idea misses it's point. Could as well go back to downloading random apps and installing it.
This is the same crap that happened with OpenID. Suddenly we had 16 different, incompatible OpenID providers, and it's hardly useful at all any more.
I picture the scenario where my uncle asks me for help over the phone and I tell him to please install app x/y from the software center.. and then I have to detail which one of the 15.
Except that Google and many other tech companies don't pay out dividends at all.
Corporate tax is the equivalent of income tax for corporations. So if everyone has to pay their income tax, why should corporations be exempt of that?
You seem to have a strangely optimistic fate that the corporations will do good with the money, but fail to present a good reason why they should do so.
Employees are just assets/liabilities of them, but don't really belong in the same bucket with the obligations of their income.
I have genius ideas around 3 times a day. Nobody gives a damn, ideas are plenty everywhere.
Are we really going to start nitpicking that someone had the idea of one or the other successful product someone else made successful?
Facebook did something people enjoy and long for with it. Good for them. The guy that thought of it first obviously failed with that for about 7 years.
I know, it's just random trolling on the front page, but it irks me.
Disclaimer: I don't have a Facebook account, nor am I very found of them. I don't own an Apple device or product either.
And you think our average Joe even knows what the Windows Update Center is, goes there, checks the optional updates, selects the software and installs it?
Really? I'd like to see that.
IMO, unless that thing comes as a critical update, that installs without question, it could as well not be there at all. Make nearly no difference.
No, TFA said (before it went down) that some registers have to be filled with defined values through hardware means to enter debug mode. In short, you won't stumble into it. And neither will any harmful software.
Orbital flight is still future talk for them. The WhiteKnight/SpaceShipTwo combos can only do sub-orbital flights (around 100 km, half of orbital flight). But they are also quite cheep at $200k. Maybe in a few years they'll offer leo/geo flights too, or maybe even further.
Well, maybe not really. I can understand that folks are overwhelmed by all the personalized shit that's thrown at them at an increasing pace, without them ever having to get a chance to understand the art of manipulation (I blame poor schooling).
Non the less, I get the impression that actual information content in our daily data stream gradually reduces. I guess what these people don't understand is that they are reduced to a commodity, and it's only possible because they never learned to sort through the shit that's coming their way.
I see this as another indication that our time will be seen as a very dark one in the information society.
Based on the current trends and some numbers pulled out of my rectum, I'd say the realization point and adaption of general consciousness will happen in around 150 years. Man, I hope I'm worng!
IBM is hugely successful, but it would take Microsoft something they don't have to come where IBM is..
Correlation acknowledgement: Though IBM is a monstrosity for its self, they managed to focus and innovate in their new found corporate sector. They are still higher ranked in the Fortune 500, they are accommodating to reality and will have an adequate future.
In comparison, Microsoft as an IT technology company lacks a few traits that would enable them to become something like IBM on a longer time scale (like 100 years): 1, their not a hardware company, and never be, so no go where IBM went there; 2, though they managed to get the software hype for 20 years, they built it on a *non adaptive* model (lock in), so that's no go either (their current development models have severe limits, mostly because of marketing decisions - the some thing that keeps them on top suffocates them from the improvement they need to become *sustainable*. One of the reasons you don't see a reasonable Windows tablet, they shit money like few others, but they still are not able to do it); 3, Microsoft is building on their monopoly position in OS market, which is getting weaker (single point of failure, thanks to their competition like Google and even Apple it's slowly becoming a commodity -- except in South Korea). IBM never did this "one thing or break it all" model, with is certain suicide in the fast changing tech business.
Yes, Microsoft is still here, and they will stay for a while (though I doubt it will last long,.. it could, but they will probably screw up - ironically because of the same reasons of which they manage to currently keep their position).
I'm neither fan of any of either companies, though IBM got better lately in my favor, despite their activities in the 30's and 40's, different people there now..
Anyway, if you managed to decipherer my comment before giving up because of my grammar, you probably are familiar with the concept of paradoxes. Don't listen to my grumblings, just extrapolate from what you know.
She was a former flatmate. Good friend, but absolutely not my type for romantic engagements, never was. Also, she is married to someone else.
I just wanted to point out my interesting experience about people encountering Ubuntu. I highlighted this because of the astonishing success in Ubuntification.
ps. Please restrain yourself from stupid suggestive comments next time, moron.
I join this opinion. Just kidding, I'm actually sharing it.
I use Linux since quite some time as a primary OS in various forms too and I also did complete system compiles, assembling every bit and bolt. It's fun, and I very informative.
Lately I'm in the camp of getting things done though, which Ubuntu is quite helpful to achieve. I'm installing it and be done with it for the next half a year (yea, I'm still somewhat experimental, have to try the new versions).
I also did install it on the machines of some of my friends, not techies at all, and I got some very positive feedback. Hell, I just showed a live CD to one of my female friends, doubting that she'd have any interest in in. After seeing the CD she practically forced me to install it and she is very happy about it, now a year afterwards too.
And even though the UI is streamlined and the system is just doing it's thing, I still have the power to just open up a terminal and do all that wizzy things that come to my mind (I must admit, I hang around the terminal a lot, just too useful).
More info would be good - any other prominent techs saying this?
This is not exactly new one, but I read a pretty reasonable article about the effect of James Watt's patents (steam engine) on the industrial revolution - basically how it was delayed by a few decades.
That was 18th century, things moved slower then. Now-a-days within our 5 year obsolescence cycle things completely moved out of whack of course.
* Cleverly forget to mention Microsoft disasters such as Bob, the Zune, Windows Mobile, or Vista
My favorite in this category is still the disaster that TradeElect was. Remember all the marketing / ads that were run with this saying LSE decided to use SQLServer? Wonder why they did not do the same when the whole thing went down the crapper and the whole platform got dumped.
At least put some though in your trolling!
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I really don't mind some well written trolling, but this is just pathetic.
Linux on the desktop is fine and better than ever. No, it's not mainstream (and I actually hope it stays so, I don't think more than 20% market share is healthy for any OS). It's fine in a way that there is an increasing user base. Also technically it's quite mature, and exceeds most of the competition in many ways (I'd list them, but it gets repetitive).
Now granted, apps on Linux, especially commercial ones need some more work. And it's being done, slowly. Just from the distribution I see (Ubuntu), there are big strides to include this into the Software Center (yes, we have that already). It's still in test mode for the next half a year, but I think with a high probability that it will attract a lot of commercial interest.
I also run a site with international audience (mostly the U.S. and China, + 67 other countries with 2k+ visitors a day, mostly private users) and the Linux share is at 2.88% there. This is much better than one or two years ago.
So anyone telling me that the OS I currently write from is not existent or does not evolve is full of BS IMO. And the troll article was not even written in a way that would be fun to read (and we Linux folks have humor if you hit some valid points). Bad editor, grow some spine!
Why Microsoft? Easy. Limited possibilities, so you don't have to think much, or solve real problems. Many mediocre job opportunities.
Why not? Difficult, you are faced with real challenges, which some folks find positive. Also much better pay and growing market. You also get much less dispensable at some random downsizing. Ethically correct.
Our magnetic field deflects most of the mean stuff that comes from our parent star, and greatly contributes to the circumstance that we are not fried on a daily basis. Does this planet has something like that, or is the surface like a microwave oven, which would sterilize it effectively?
I don't think that the parent measured their wealth by the living standards of the majority population. I think he was summing up the cash pile that the country has altogether, most of it in the hands of very few, politically engaged individuals, companies and the political party.
And yes, he is probably right. China owns most of the United States debt (they are not buying more though, too volatile), they are building up a big pile of gold, invest in raw material producing industries abroad, they have an immense market production capacity for electronics and consumer goods and well established production chains backed by local mining / resource supply sources.
They also engage in R&D abroad and at home very actively, and they also study the products that are produced in their factories contracted by foreign companies. And they are starting to apply the knowledge.
The political leadership there does not give a flying fuck about the average Chinese Joe though, who lives in a horribly polluted environment (part of the reason why nobody can compete with them) on a very tight budget (another reason) and can only buy crap in shops (merchandise in China is often very sub-par to our standards).
Please don't confuse social wealth / a somewhat evenly distributed wealth system with a huge pile of assets, even if it is only owned by very few.
I'm generally against subsidies too, and hope there is another solution.
The problem that needs to be solved, is that most of the processing chain is done in China too (they don't really allow to export the raw ore), so you are looking at a process of kick-starting an entire industry supply chain from ore to alloy. That takes decades.
Normally free market would still work if the supply would reduce slowly, but if China one day says: "Ok, that's it guys, no more rare earths, get of our lawn..", we'd be in very deep shit.
Their form at late with software is getting much better. Windows 7 was great, Office 2010 was great as well... Microsoft are finally waking up in face of some competition.
Whenever I see someone say this, I have to wonder... how?
It manages to eat up 5x more space (than XP) on the hard disk (around 20GB) without an application installed. Now you have a good excuse to buy new, bigger hard drives.. and RAM, lots of RAM.
Seriously, I don't get it. I know developer time is more valuable than hardware now a days, but if someone is authoring an OS, I think it's still important to allocate resources more efficiently. 20GB for the OS, come on - I'd expect more than there is to that amount of data.
This completely misses the point of what that little percentage that iOS represents: people with money and the notion to spend it. All the craze that is going on about the Apple AppStore is because apps sell there much better than anywhere else.
This has the consequence, that a lot of the web content also adapts to non-flash/silverlight/java content to cater to this audience.
Though I'm personally not a fan of Apple, I like the way things go. HTML5 based apps make the life of browser developers / security maintainers much easier (I'm not in that group either).
I personally welcome this trend, because I hate to be forced to install one or the other, proprietary peace of crap just to see a website. Especially when it drains all resources, brings a bunch of security and stability issues and integrates horribly into the user experience.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against proprietary applications. What I hate with a passion are proprietary infrastructure applications. They are just a crime against the free market and democracy.
I stopped watching regular programming on TV shortly after the millennium, because it turned to crap. There are series that I want to watch though, just not with the annoying ad's and from international sources (US, Europe, Asia) - via my computer screen or TV. But I can't. There is a jungle of legal restrictions that disable international TV. Everything is region specific. Who ever makes policy in the entertainment sector: go to hell. I just want to watch TV - would also pay for it..
How long will it take until they change it again, 2 months? I'm not exactly sure developers rejoice in such a dynamic legal landscape. Can't they just work it out right one time and stick to it?
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You seem to have the wrong idea about Wayland. It's not meant to do any of that, but to provide a slim connector between the hardware and the applications.
Putting all that stuff in one giant library is what led to X and it's persistence in the first place, nobody wants to repeat those mistakes.
Drag and Drop / Clipboard are more sent to helper programs, UI toolkits, D-Bus, etc. That way it's much easier to maintain and improve.
That's what the UNIX philosophy was all about form the beginning, one tool should do one thing, and it should do it right.
It's OK, runs fairly stable, but it also locks up once in a while and does some aggressive disk I/O. No idea what exactly, probably housekeeping, but it's somewhat irksome, could use some more fine tuning.
The main problem with btrfs right now is that it lacks fsck tools, so in case of havoc there is little chance to recuperate, which is not good for server like systems.
As for ZFS, it's not the tech that's keeping it from Linux but the restrictive licensing. Unless that gets fixed (probably won't happen), it is off limits, and Linux folks will do their own thing, like the always do.
..and their tendency to abuse every software paradigm.
As I see it, app stores / software centers are meant to unify application sources and updates. This implies to me, that there should be one of it and probably the best place is on the platform level: the OS.
If we start pushing in app stores on all other software stack levels (browsers, random websites, company specific app stores - I'm sure Adobe is working on something like that -, probably more will show up) then the whole idea misses it's point. Could as well go back to downloading random apps and installing it.
This is the same crap that happened with OpenID. Suddenly we had 16 different, incompatible OpenID providers, and it's hardly useful at all any more.
I picture the scenario where my uncle asks me for help over the phone and I tell him to please install app x/y from the software center.. and then I have to detail which one of the 15.
Except that Google and many other tech companies don't pay out dividends at all.
Corporate tax is the equivalent of income tax for corporations. So if everyone has to pay their income tax, why should corporations be exempt of that?
You seem to have a strangely optimistic fate that the corporations will do good with the money, but fail to present a good reason why they should do so.
Employees are just assets/liabilities of them, but don't really belong in the same bucket with the obligations of their income.
I have genius ideas around 3 times a day. Nobody gives a damn, ideas are plenty everywhere.
Are we really going to start nitpicking that someone had the idea of one or the other successful product someone else made successful?
Facebook did something people enjoy and long for with it. Good for them. The guy that thought of it first obviously failed with that for about 7 years.
I know, it's just random trolling on the front page, but it irks me.
Disclaimer: I don't have a Facebook account, nor am I very found of them. I don't own an Apple device or product either.
And you think our average Joe even knows what the Windows Update Center is, goes there, checks the optional updates, selects the software and installs it?
Really? I'd like to see that.
IMO, unless that thing comes as a critical update, that installs without question, it could as well not be there at all. Make nearly no difference.
There is also http://www.wreckamovie.com/
No, TFA said (before it went down) that some registers have to be filled with defined values through hardware means to enter debug mode. In short, you won't stumble into it. And neither will any harmful software.
Orbital flight is still future talk for them. The WhiteKnight/SpaceShipTwo combos can only do sub-orbital flights (around 100 km, half of orbital flight). But they are also quite cheep at $200k. Maybe in a few years they'll offer leo/geo flights too, or maybe even further.
The fastest single GPU consumer card available. TDP 244W! You can safely scrap your room heater now!
Well, maybe not really. I can understand that folks are overwhelmed by all the personalized shit that's thrown at them at an increasing pace, without them ever having to get a chance to understand the art of manipulation (I blame poor schooling).
Non the less, I get the impression that actual information content in our daily data stream gradually reduces. I guess what these people don't understand is that they are reduced to a commodity, and it's only possible because they never learned to sort through the shit that's coming their way.
I see this as another indication that our time will be seen as a very dark one in the information society.
Based on the current trends and some numbers pulled out of my rectum, I'd say the realization point and adaption of general consciousness will happen in around 150 years. Man, I hope I'm worng!
IBM is hugely successful, but it would take Microsoft something they don't have to come where IBM is..
Correlation acknowledgement: Though IBM is a monstrosity for its self, they managed to focus and innovate in their new found corporate sector. They are still higher ranked in the Fortune 500, they are accommodating to reality and will have an adequate future.
In comparison, Microsoft as an IT technology company lacks a few traits that would enable them to become something like IBM on a longer time scale (like 100 years): 1, their not a hardware company, and never be, so no go where IBM went there; 2, though they managed to get the software hype for 20 years, they built it on a *non adaptive* model (lock in), so that's no go either (their current development models have severe limits, mostly because of marketing decisions - the some thing that keeps them on top suffocates them from the improvement they need to become *sustainable*. One of the reasons you don't see a reasonable Windows tablet, they shit money like few others, but they still are not able to do it); 3, Microsoft is building on their monopoly position in OS market, which is getting weaker (single point of failure, thanks to their competition like Google and even Apple it's slowly becoming a commodity -- except in South Korea). IBM never did this "one thing or break it all" model, with is certain suicide in the fast changing tech business.
Yes, Microsoft is still here, and they will stay for a while (though I doubt it will last long,.. it could, but they will probably screw up - ironically because of the same reasons of which they manage to currently keep their position).
I'm neither fan of any of either companies, though IBM got better lately in my favor, despite their activities in the 30's and 40's, different people there now..
Anyway, if you managed to decipherer my comment before giving up because of my grammar, you probably are familiar with the concept of paradoxes. Don't listen to my grumblings, just extrapolate from what you know.
She was a former flatmate. Good friend, but absolutely not my type for romantic engagements, never was. Also, she is married to someone else.
I just wanted to point out my interesting experience about people encountering Ubuntu. I highlighted this because of the astonishing success in Ubuntification.
ps. Please restrain yourself from stupid suggestive comments next time, moron.
I join this opinion. Just kidding, I'm actually sharing it.
I use Linux since quite some time as a primary OS in various forms too and I also did complete system compiles, assembling every bit and bolt. It's fun, and I very informative.
Lately I'm in the camp of getting things done though, which Ubuntu is quite helpful to achieve. I'm installing it and be done with it for the next half a year (yea, I'm still somewhat experimental, have to try the new versions).
I also did install it on the machines of some of my friends, not techies at all, and I got some very positive feedback. Hell, I just showed a live CD to one of my female friends, doubting that she'd have any interest in in. After seeing the CD she practically forced me to install it and she is very happy about it, now a year afterwards too.
And even though the UI is streamlined and the system is just doing it's thing, I still have the power to just open up a terminal and do all that wizzy things that come to my mind (I must admit, I hang around the terminal a lot, just too useful).
This is not exactly new one, but I read a pretty reasonable article about the effect of James Watt's patents (steam engine) on the industrial revolution - basically how it was delayed by a few decades.
That was 18th century, things moved slower then. Now-a-days within our 5 year obsolescence cycle things completely moved out of whack of course.
My favorite in this category is still the disaster that TradeElect was. Remember all the marketing / ads that were run with this saying LSE decided to use SQLServer? Wonder why they did not do the same when the whole thing went down the crapper and the whole platform got dumped.
I really don't mind some well written trolling, but this is just pathetic.
Linux on the desktop is fine and better than ever. No, it's not mainstream (and I actually hope it stays so, I don't think more than 20% market share is healthy for any OS). It's fine in a way that there is an increasing user base. Also technically it's quite mature, and exceeds most of the competition in many ways (I'd list them, but it gets repetitive).
Now granted, apps on Linux, especially commercial ones need some more work. And it's being done, slowly. Just from the distribution I see (Ubuntu), there are big strides to include this into the Software Center (yes, we have that already). It's still in test mode for the next half a year, but I think with a high probability that it will attract a lot of commercial interest.
I also run a site with international audience (mostly the U.S. and China, + 67 other countries with 2k+ visitors a day, mostly private users) and the Linux share is at 2.88% there. This is much better than one or two years ago.
So anyone telling me that the OS I currently write from is not existent or does not evolve is full of BS IMO. And the troll article was not even written in a way that would be fun to read (and we Linux folks have humor if you hit some valid points). Bad editor, grow some spine!
Why Microsoft?
Easy. Limited possibilities, so you don't have to think much, or solve real problems. Many mediocre job opportunities.
Why not?
Difficult, you are faced with real challenges, which some folks find positive. Also much better pay and growing market. You also get much less dispensable at some random downsizing. Ethically correct.
Our magnetic field deflects most of the mean stuff that comes from our parent star, and greatly contributes to the circumstance that we are not fried on a daily basis. Does this planet has something like that, or is the surface like a microwave oven, which would sterilize it effectively?
I don't think that the parent measured their wealth by the living standards of the majority population. I think he was summing up the cash pile that the country has altogether, most of it in the hands of very few, politically engaged individuals, companies and the political party.
And yes, he is probably right. China owns most of the United States debt (they are not buying more though, too volatile), they are building up a big pile of gold, invest in raw material producing industries abroad, they have an immense market production capacity for electronics and consumer goods and well established production chains backed by local mining / resource supply sources.
They also engage in R&D abroad and at home very actively, and they also study the products that are produced in their factories contracted by foreign companies. And they are starting to apply the knowledge.
The political leadership there does not give a flying fuck about the average Chinese Joe though, who lives in a horribly polluted environment (part of the reason why nobody can compete with them) on a very tight budget (another reason) and can only buy crap in shops (merchandise in China is often very sub-par to our standards).
Please don't confuse social wealth / a somewhat evenly distributed wealth system with a huge pile of assets, even if it is only owned by very few.
I'm generally against subsidies too, and hope there is another solution.
The problem that needs to be solved, is that most of the processing chain is done in China too (they don't really allow to export the raw ore), so you are looking at a process of kick-starting an entire industry supply chain from ore to alloy. That takes decades.
Normally free market would still work if the supply would reduce slowly, but if China one day says: "Ok, that's it guys, no more rare earths, get of our lawn..", we'd be in very deep shit.
This completely misses the point of what that little percentage that iOS represents: people with money and the notion to spend it. All the craze that is going on about the Apple AppStore is because apps sell there much better than anywhere else.
This has the consequence, that a lot of the web content also adapts to non-flash/silverlight/java content to cater to this audience.
Though I'm personally not a fan of Apple, I like the way things go. HTML5 based apps make the life of browser developers / security maintainers much easier (I'm not in that group either).
I personally welcome this trend, because I hate to be forced to install one or the other, proprietary peace of crap just to see a website. Especially when it drains all resources, brings a bunch of security and stability issues and integrates horribly into the user experience.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against proprietary applications. What I hate with a passion are proprietary infrastructure applications. They are just a crime against the free market and democracy.
I stopped watching regular programming on TV shortly after the millennium, because it turned to crap. There are series that I want to watch though, just not with the annoying ad's and from international sources (US, Europe, Asia) - via my computer screen or TV. But I can't. There is a jungle of legal restrictions that disable international TV. Everything is region specific. Who ever makes policy in the entertainment sector: go to hell. I just want to watch TV - would also pay for it..
How long will it take until they change it again, 2 months? I'm not exactly sure developers rejoice in such a dynamic legal landscape. Can't they just work it out right one time and stick to it?