No I actually (gasp!) use IE. If it's okay for Opera to have problems (popup ads and look weird in early versions) and then to get much much better very quickly, then why can't IE? Do I HAVE to hate it just becausen it comes from M$?
None of those above issues you mentioned above has affected me since SP-2 which was last year, but I've said that before.
IE6 is close to the end of its lifecycle and M$ is thankfully taking their time before releasing the next version.
To me the quickness and professional look and feel of IE puts its ahead of Firefox. Most sites look better and perform better on IE. IMHO that's probably why people haven't been adopting Firefox as quickly after SP-2 than before. When Firefox is truly better OVERALL I will be one of the first to change.
But back to the original subject. For M$ to buy Opera is a joke. IE is the clear market leader which works great and they are about to release a new version which should please nearly everyone. M$ wants no part of Macintosh or Linux browser market. There is no money in it for them, and the article makes Dvorak look like someone out of touch with reality.
I have been a web designer for 10 years now and use the web on average of 10 hours per day. I test all browsers occasionally. Firefox is okay, but the rendering engine sucks IMHO in comparison to IE (it's not snappy, and the graphics slide in weird... and that's on Windows where it works best... don't get me started on Mac or Linux) and tabbed browsing is a vastly overrated gimmick IMHO. True, the CSS support is loads better in Moz and derivatives, but all they really tried to do was copy the usability of IE anyway. What do you think is so bad about IE usability? My mom uses it, so it can't be bad. Trust me, I am the LAST person to defend MS in any way (especially on the server side where they suck satans cock at an hourly rate), but I honestly wouldn't surf as much without it IE. Opera may have improved recently but it was pitiable the last time I used it. Now normally I say the masses are asses, but you can pry IE out of my cold dead hands. I say as I hand the devil himself my soul that I look forward to IE7 and hope that one day I can use an open source browser without closing the damn thing and running back to IE with my pitchfork between my legs. Maybe you've never used IE on and XP SP-2 machine? It's like silk pajamas.
I am normally on the open source side of the argument...
but I actually agree with AC and think he was unfairly modded down. When I read the headline, I immediately thought, "yeah, right." Love or hate MS, IE 6 usability and look and feel pretty much kicks ass. Once they plugged the vacuous security holes in Win XP SP-2, I only downloaded Firefox to test my sites on. IE will be the standard for a long time, and another reason to choose Windows over the 'competition'.
The last time I downloaded and tested Opera, which had large banner ads rotating in the application space, it was third rate to Mozilla's second rate, and I was like, l8rz.
And Dvorak seems to forget that MS has bought most of their good programs from other companies, including MS-DOS, the one that put the company into the big time. MS is vaccinated against "not-invented-here" syndrome. If anything they can't assimilate others faster enough... but not Opera (LOL)!
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CyricZ, who pays you to say such dumb troll stuff and can't you quit and get a real job like the rest of us?
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Thanks for calling this troll a troll. You should modded up to 7. He must be another ASP/PERL/JAVA programmer who is upset because of the mass exodus towards PHP. If anything about PHP needs a rant... it's not form security its Magic Quotes. Lose them, I say.
Hmm... so let me get this straight: Video games lead to violence. So there was no violence before video games, right? At least not in Germany anyway? Err.
IMHO the real cause of violence is religion and politics. Why not try to ban those? Oh wait... those are the people who are trying to ban video games.
GOOF! One more reason not to live in Germany.
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The process of installing Windows is long and complicated compared to most Linux and even BSD distros I've tried.
And instead of getting easier with each new version its getting more difficult. The last time I installed it a few months ago I had to spend 10 minutes on the phone punching codes in and then listening to a voice generate me an activation key. And since I called from Sweden the message was in Swedish. Nice one. You think normal serial codes are annoying? Now that was annoying. Enter your serial code, Bork Bork!
What's more, Windows typically does a worse job at auto-configuring than Linux. I remember a few months ago I couldn't even install Windows XP SP-1 which cost me $300 on a machine because the new hard drive I bought were serial ATA and I didn't have a floppy drive to load the 'special drivers'. Since it was a computer I was building on a budget, I refused to buy a floppy drive just so I can load some whack drivers. I mean, I haven't used a floppy drive since 1996.
Guess what... a standard Debian Linux CD-ROM which I downloaded and burned for free could see and format the Serial ATA drives with no problem. It got all my drivers right as well because it just automatically downloaded the latest versions as necessary from one of about 100 mirrors around the world.
As for software, a Windows installation can take a whole day and cost thousands of dollars as you install your productivity applications and whatnot each of them with a separate serial code and a reboot of your computer. With BSD or Linux distros you just pick the apps you want and they install and auto-configure along with the rest of the operating system. I think I rebooted my Debian box one time when I was editing my FSTAB file.
That, my friend, is what is so unfriendly with a Windows install. It takes longer, it is tedious, and loads up a bunch of marketing crap that maybe 5% people think they want. Oh yeah, and you have to speak Swedish if you install Windows in Sweden. So no traveling, okay?
Here are the top 10 reasons people choose IIS over Apache:
10. Because they don't know what they are doing. 9. Because their customers don't know what they're doing. 8. Because they are partnered with MS. 7. Because they are racist against Native Americans. 6. Because they get some orgasmic thrill from spending money on slower, inferior products and services. 5. Because the same reason they use Hotmail over Gmail. 6. Because they are really using Apache... but configure it to report itself as IIS to confuse attackers. 5. Because they are originally from another dimension where IIS works better than Apache. 4. Because they were playing a practical joke on their users and then died suddenly. 3. Because they are brainwashed from listening to too many Steve Balmer speeches. 2. Because really all those IIS servers out there are just Microsoft's own servers trying to keep MSN.com running. 1. Because they smoke a lot of crack.
I love these questions that presume PHP/MySQL won't scale as well as a Win or Java based architectures. The answer is... on the same hardware yes it will scale and it perform as well if not much better due to the 'no-frills' 'no nonsense' nature of the beast.
You think those web hosts out there who offer php/mysql accounts for $9.95 a month are doing so because it doesn't scale well? Most of them are running hundreds of databases and websites on each server with millions of hits per day under managable loads.
GUESS WHAT? MOODLE PROBABLY SCALES THE PISS OUT OF BLACKBOARD OR WEBCT. AND IF IT DOESN'T SCALE FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN TUNE IT OR FIX IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SOURCE CODE. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK YOU CAN GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
If you ask Blackboard or WebCT if they scale they will send over two grinning salesmen to scream "SURE!" and then send you a bill for $50,000 to buy more server licenses. Want your money back if it doesn't work? Tough luck.
I find it odd that if Windows is so fast that the performance of Hotmail is so atrocious when compared to Gmail or Yahoo which both run off of Unix based systems.
I mean Hotmail page loads often quit right in the middle!
Riddle me that one.
Knowing MS they probably optimized the OS for the benchtest in favor of providing their customers some real world performance.
How many times are you planning on changing the database your application runs on?
Since MySQL is open source and cross-platform independent... I cant see why you would plan on changing it unless you picked the wrong one to start with.
And if God forbid you DID have to change the database... it might take a few days at most. And if you wrote the application using PEAR... then it would take 5 seconds.
I am sick of people blaming MySQL for faults that are true of every other database. I have developed for years on MySQL and never suddenly needed to change the database. Who does this and why?
God those screenshots look terrible. The first thing I did when I saw XP is disable all that fancy crap and go to Classic view.
I am astounded that XP overall is such a step down from 2000 in terms usability, design and layout, speed, well just about everything.
I will stick to 2000 on the desktop and FreeBSD or Linux on the server side. I really hope they make longhorn as stable and fast as 2000 or I might migrate my ass over to something else.
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Sorry if i've unfairly vented my anger. It's just that every time someone posts a good PHP article I have to wade through a million ROR posts.
I for one am sick of ROR people on this site slamming PHP.
Like I am gonna learn some new language because a bunch of trolls spam post to every PHP article.
No I actually (gasp!) use IE. If it's okay for Opera to have problems (popup ads and look weird in early versions) and then to get much much better very quickly, then why can't IE? Do I HAVE to hate it just becausen it comes from M$?
That's your last punch, calling me a Front Page user? Them's fighting words.
You are probably a Macintosh user or something.
What, so it's like IE now?
None of those above issues you mentioned above has affected me since SP-2 which was last year, but I've said that before.
IE6 is close to the end of its lifecycle and M$ is thankfully taking their time before releasing the next version.
To me the quickness and professional look and feel of IE puts its ahead of Firefox. Most sites look better and perform better on IE. IMHO that's probably why people haven't been adopting Firefox as quickly after SP-2 than before. When Firefox is truly better OVERALL I will be one of the first to change.
But back to the original subject. For M$ to buy Opera is a joke. IE is the clear market leader which works great and they are about to release a new version which should please nearly everyone. M$ wants no part of Macintosh or Linux browser market. There is no money in it for them, and the article makes Dvorak look like someone out of touch with reality.
I guess we disagree about usability.
I have been a web designer for 10 years now and use the web on average of 10 hours per day. I test all browsers occasionally. Firefox is okay, but the rendering engine sucks IMHO in comparison to IE (it's not snappy, and the graphics slide in weird... and that's on Windows where it works best... don't get me started on Mac or Linux) and tabbed browsing is a vastly overrated gimmick IMHO. True, the CSS support is loads better in Moz and derivatives, but all they really tried to do was copy the usability of IE anyway. What do you think is so bad about IE usability? My mom uses it, so it can't be bad. Trust me, I am the LAST person to defend MS in any way (especially on the server side where they suck satans cock at an hourly rate), but I honestly wouldn't surf as much without it IE. Opera may have improved recently but it was pitiable the last time I used it. Now normally I say the masses are asses, but you can pry IE out of my cold dead hands. I say as I hand the devil himself my soul that I look forward to IE7 and hope that one day I can use an open source browser without closing the damn thing and running back to IE with my pitchfork between my legs. Maybe you've never used IE on and XP SP-2 machine? It's like silk pajamas.
I am normally on the open source side of the argument...
but I actually agree with AC and think he was unfairly modded down. When I read the headline, I immediately thought, "yeah, right." Love or hate MS, IE 6 usability and look and feel pretty much kicks ass. Once they plugged the vacuous security holes in Win XP SP-2, I only downloaded Firefox to test my sites on. IE will be the standard for a long time, and another reason to choose Windows over the 'competition'.
The last time I downloaded and tested Opera, which had large banner ads rotating in the application space, it was third rate to Mozilla's second rate, and I was like, l8rz.
And Dvorak seems to forget that MS has bought most of their good programs from other companies, including MS-DOS, the one that put the company into the big time. MS is vaccinated against "not-invented-here" syndrome. If anything they can't assimilate others faster enough... but not Opera (LOL)!
CyricZ, who pays you to say such dumb troll stuff and can't you quit and get a real job like the rest of us?
Thanks for calling this troll a troll. You should modded up to 7. He must be another ASP/PERL/JAVA programmer who is upset because of the mass exodus towards PHP. If anything about PHP needs a rant... it's not form security its Magic Quotes. Lose them, I say.
Gee, really gonna hate to see you go.
I left the USA for Sweden. I feel much better ;) America you are up yer own ronson!
You see... there was no violence in Germany before video games... so banning video games will solve the problem.
Nice one.
Next they are going to ban free speech to do away with poverty.
Hmm... so let me get this straight: Video games lead to violence. So there was no violence before video games, right? At least not in Germany anyway? Err.
IMHO the real cause of violence is religion and politics. Why not try to ban those? Oh wait... those are the people who are trying to ban video games.
GOOF! One more reason not to live in Germany.
The process of installing Windows is long and complicated compared to most Linux and even BSD distros I've tried.
And instead of getting easier with each new version its getting more difficult. The last time I installed it a few months ago I had to spend 10 minutes on the phone punching codes in and then listening to a voice generate me an activation key. And since I called from Sweden the message was in Swedish. Nice one. You think normal serial codes are annoying? Now that was annoying. Enter your serial code, Bork Bork!
What's more, Windows typically does a worse job at auto-configuring than Linux. I remember a few months ago I couldn't even install Windows XP SP-1 which cost me $300 on a machine because the new hard drive I bought were serial ATA and I didn't have a floppy drive to load the 'special drivers'. Since it was a computer I was building on a budget, I refused to buy a floppy drive just so I can load some whack drivers. I mean, I haven't used a floppy drive since 1996.
Guess what... a standard Debian Linux CD-ROM which I downloaded and burned for free could see and format the Serial ATA drives with no problem. It got all my drivers right as well because it just automatically downloaded the latest versions as necessary from one of about 100 mirrors around the world.
As for software, a Windows installation can take a whole day and cost thousands of dollars as you install your productivity applications and whatnot each of them with a separate serial code and a reboot of your computer. With BSD or Linux distros you just pick the apps you want and they install and auto-configure along with the rest of the operating system. I think I rebooted my Debian box one time when I was editing my FSTAB file.
That, my friend, is what is so unfriendly with a Windows install. It takes longer, it is tedious, and loads up a bunch of marketing crap that maybe 5% people think they want. Oh yeah, and you have to speak Swedish if you install Windows in Sweden. So no traveling, okay?
Yeah, your mom had you using IIS and that's why you're so slow and insecure.
Here are the top 10 reasons people choose IIS over Apache:
10. Because they don't know what they are doing.
9. Because their customers don't know what they're doing.
8. Because they are partnered with MS.
7. Because they are racist against Native Americans.
6. Because they get some orgasmic thrill from spending money on slower, inferior products and services.
5. Because the same reason they use Hotmail over Gmail.
6. Because they are really using Apache... but configure it to report itself as IIS to confuse attackers.
5. Because they are originally from another dimension where IIS works better than Apache.
4. Because they were playing a practical joke on their users and then died suddenly.
3. Because they are brainwashed from listening to too many Steve Balmer speeches.
2. Because really all those IIS servers out there are just Microsoft's own servers trying to keep MSN.com running.
1. Because they smoke a lot of crack.
I love these questions that presume PHP/MySQL won't scale as well as a Win or Java based architectures. The answer is... on the same hardware yes it will scale and it perform as well if not much better due to the 'no-frills' 'no nonsense' nature of the beast.
You think those web hosts out there who offer php/mysql accounts for $9.95 a month are doing so because it doesn't scale well? Most of them are running hundreds of databases and websites on each server with millions of hits per day under managable loads.
GUESS WHAT? MOODLE PROBABLY SCALES THE PISS OUT OF BLACKBOARD OR WEBCT. AND IF IT DOESN'T SCALE FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN TUNE IT OR FIX IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SOURCE CODE. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK YOU CAN GET YOUR MONEY BACK.
If you ask Blackboard or WebCT if they scale they will send over two grinning salesmen to scream "SURE!" and then send you a bill for $50,000 to buy more server licenses. Want your money back if it doesn't work? Tough luck.
Figures I just bought the game last week.
Yeah right. As if Google would use MS servers to serve Google. Probably referring to Sun or some other Unix vendor.
I find it odd that if Windows is so fast that the performance of Hotmail is so atrocious when compared to Gmail or Yahoo which both run off of Unix based systems.
I mean Hotmail page loads often quit right in the middle!
Riddle me that one.
Knowing MS they probably optimized the OS for the benchtest in favor of providing their customers some real world performance.
I think they are using the Service Pack 2 firewall utility.
When lightning fast, cross platform, free, RBDMs become obsolete Ill worry about that or move my app to another server who still appreciates them.
How many times are you planning on changing the database your application runs on?
Since MySQL is open source and cross-platform independent... I cant see why you would plan on changing it unless you picked the wrong one to start with.
And if God forbid you DID have to change the database... it might take a few days at most. And if you wrote the application using PEAR... then it would take 5 seconds.
I am sick of people blaming MySQL for faults that are true of every other database. I have developed for years on MySQL and never suddenly needed to change the database. Who does this and why?
God those screenshots look terrible. The first thing I did when I saw XP is disable all that fancy crap and go to Classic view.
I am astounded that XP overall is such a step down from 2000 in terms usability, design and layout, speed, well just about everything.
I will stick to 2000 on the desktop and FreeBSD or Linux on the server side. I really hope they make longhorn as stable and fast as 2000 or I might migrate my ass over to something else.