What utter bull crap.. the default password is a BLANK field.. Open Enterprise manager, point it to a website port 1433, username "sa", password "" YOUR IN.. dont gimme that.. heh it makes me laugh my ass off so just dont go there, this is TOTALLY ms's fault.
A good portion of Open Source projects (im guilty..) Are just things you got an itch to do and instead of sitting down and documenting (Most programmer think of as boring) you went in there and started hacking out code.
It happens yes.
But the peer review thats not a joke... Its very real and if you just wrote a poor program it will eventually gain a reputation as such... *shrug* But your right a lot of time I never formally document or design little projects of mine and point and case, most projects have "documentation coming soon" all over their site but they have working somewhat functional programs....
Did whoever moderated this post even *READ* what I wrote??? This is exactly what the person who wrote the article was talking about.
Projects that sacrifice delivery time with proper development, its happening I was hoping to provoke a little discussion and gain some insight into the problem, instead I am modded down. Just GREAT I hate it when people moderate without reading the damn articles.
I am developing a *VERY* large and far reaching application as far as what it will do. We are writing the core system, Yesterday I was explaning arrays to my boss (Its a Web Application). I am the only one with any real experience and or practice doing things like algorithm analysis but he is a very smart guy with a lot of good ideas. But..
More over the entire *look* of the application is controlled by our 'marketing/PR/graphics arm'.
I am vaguely aware of how a properly structured software development firm should run, but it seems there are so few people out there who run big projects who still write quality software to teach. I have no problem learning and participating in these type of reviews. I think they are good I have even bugged my boss to do so a couple of times. Every morning we just come back in and start writing code. We are already behind schedule since he does many meetings so we have put off several meetings already in lieu of completeing more code (bad idea:-(
We were going to have an entire review and more in depth planning of our next set of components however that just has not happend its been abbreivated to sit down, sketh out the notes we talk about them for like 30 minutes and then I go hack some more... we had a week scheduled for planning.
I cant forcibly make code reviews happen and there is no really strong CS backgrounded people here to help... Someone please give some advice on how to rescue this project before it falls into the depths of unmaintainablility and I am a disgruntled hacker.. I have strong influence right now its just me and one other developer...
I totally agree, when Linuxis as consistent as MS is for its user interface guidelines and they have as much standards and documentation on how to write software then maybe the big players will adopt. If I want to create an Windows based app and I want to follow user interface guidelines on how to do so there is documentation that will allow my document to be standard and act and play like all the other MS apps just tomes of (THAT IS NOT A TROLL/FLAME!!!) ways to design an application.. Linux?????? Could someone get a clue? Thank you (Yes I klnow about Gnome foundation)
One of the major tenets of a big application and its development is full and complete documentation of it before you even write the first line of code... Why do you think things struggle with the interface so much, people tend to just hack code before really considering globally the implications of somethings.. anyways im digressing the point is things are just being done backwards and people are learning the hard way... We have all these non uniform apps. whereas if there was a document for people to follow on User Interface maybe we would have a bit more uniformity and apps taht wernet uniform could be shunned, if you guys want a cool toy then by all means keep Linux going in the direction it is but if you want to really take over the world. (who doesnt?) Then we have to keep things more structured.... anyways
It is the beggining of time Unix was created. Soon Unix guru's became discontent without a flame war going so they decided to create an editor purely in lisp more as a pissing contest than any sane reason we could find, they decided to pave the way for one of the first great holy wars
Ever since Unix gurus have carried this tradition by challenging each other to see who can create the biggest flamewar.
Different tools for different jobs are certainly needed.... RMySQl, PostgreSQL, (interbase|Firebird)
They all do different jobs and different things better than others, CHOICE especially *free* choices are always good why do people constnatly discourage this.
In Somethings (User interface) choice is not optimal, in others(RDBMS) Its good.
No doubt, I was just stupefied when I read "robot with gun", "controlled from internet"
The only way to make something secure is to unplug the damn thing from the internet.
The first time some script kiddie runs a root kit and ownz a robot and ends up killing someone.. oh boy... I wouldnt want to be responsible for the one with the idea to control the thing from the internet.
Right... I know about the relative (IN)security of the internet *chortle*
In explorer: Click the first file, hold down Ctrl, click the second file, click the third file. Press Ctrl-C. Scroll the bar up to find the "A:" icon. Click on it. Press Ctrl-V. Might be an easier way, but I had the work done in wincmd probably before the winslows user pressed Ctrl-C!!!
Bleh...
Click, Shift+Click CtrlC, CtrlV
Took me about 2 seconds to copy three files.. So uhm.. is that slow?
Heh not exactly, I doubt many people really qualify for the caliber of art director they are looking for...
The company we are spinning off from has an amazing team and the art director there is really great at creative stuff such as drawing/design of advertisements etc. He really knows his stuff.
It takes a lot of practice and a good deal of creativity/natural talent to be really good. (Yes I know anyone can learn it but natrual talent helps) I just dont see tons and tons of people applying for this.
Have you ever heard of LiteStep? Its a small replacement for the current for the windows graphical shell... Gee you cant customize it tho..
When people post without really understanding the parts of an operating system they are critisizing its pretty sad dont you think?
The threat for people who just do simple things who check their email is so much more than laughable, these are the people who are gonna be happy with a web appliance that will run.. a non MS Operating system most likely.
Not the desktop market perse but.. Its not an MS Operating system, its all coming and rabid zealots like you who run around spouting this utter bullshit are just gonna piss people off.
Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
The variety that currently exists amongst un*x mail clients makes them secure. How does a variety of clients make them more secure?
That is like saying since there are 10 different flavors of Unix they are more secure! *COUGH* Please explain how having more clients makes them more secure. Maybe from your average script kiddie only... *shrugs*
Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
I said this before but I think its important enough to say it again.
Those TPC Benchmarks are not going to provide you a whole hell of a lot of useful information if you are using PostgreSQL or an open source database.
That leads to this:
You need to analyze something and see if it can meet your needs.
It can be quite difficult without some sort of real world gauge to determine if a total port of your application to something like PostgreSQL will meet your needs so...
The best thing to do honestly is seriously and rigourusly test these things for yourself. Things like the TPC benchmarks are just rigged pissing contests to me, its not data I you can effectively use when there are just so many factors besides who can toggle a number to be bigger than another companies.. It just dont help you out
A *real* world test for me is going to be spending two of three weeks porting most of an application to PostgreSQL strapping it into a staging cluster and running a stress test utility on it. Who cares about TPC marks if the database backend holds up to the load my production environment currently experiences. Who cares if when I test it for scalability it scales? I really wish I could find the time to do such a test because when you do things like this the things you learn along the way generally 'make/break' a product in your mind as to whether or not its usable.
Thats all, is reading a simple OR complex benchmark gonna tell me how productive im gonna be writing Stored procedures in PostgreSQL? Is that benchmark going to tell me the amount of tuning time required to get a database to the point where it could perform at said level? Is it going to tell me anything? No not really.
They are just numbers that are very weakly linked to some words. *sighs*
I know im bringing up a lot of points so here is the correlation.
Benchmarks are more in theory not in practice. If you have a serious project you cant just use benchmarks to guide your way, you have to use products you are effecient in and products that meet your needs and or potential needs.
I just get real worked up over benchmarks like this, they just dont matter, as Pete pointed out on a previous post, Its apples and Oranges when your talking ANSI92 compliant and Not ANSI92 compliant. Its just such a mindbendingly unfair benchmark. I dont really even believe there is a safe way to benchmark databases except for your own testing. I will stop rambling now:)
Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
Thanks, that article explained more than I have read on/. articles the whole time:)
Quantum computing *IS* cool and it will be incredibly useful but if this kind of thing doesnt turn you on I woudlnt worry overmuch.. By the time I am retired it may be relevant they have a whole lot of research to do it took them several years to even determine if this was possible beyond 'theory' you know in theory and in practice are such different things.
In theory I should never work more than 40 hours a week since im salaried right *cough cough* this is just something really cool to watch out for IMO:) I dont wanna learn Quantum Mechanics, I dont wanna research it keep the gory details far from me:)
Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignornace
Correct me if I am wrong but doesnt stock usually *drop* when companies change helms? heh it would be rather telling if he is publicly thought of that badly.
If you think education is expensive, try ignornace
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I guess I was right, though 80 gigs really does seem excessive, at least for right now. Give (Microsft|Linux|Xyz) Developers more time.. HEHE :)
No one will need more than 640K......
Jeremy
That is a really easy one to fix to. It most often occurs when you are using a variable for say your ID field.
To fix you have to make sure you do some validation on your fields... its more or less common sense..
Jeremy
What utter bull crap.. the default password is a BLANK field.. Open Enterprise manager, point it to a website port 1433, username "sa", password "" YOUR IN.. dont gimme that.. heh it makes me laugh my ass off so just dont go there, this is TOTALLY ms's fault.
Here I cannot help but imagine decent administration and power conditioning and backups can prevent things such as this...
One of their comments said it all.
Our of 800,000 Domains on Solaris Machines, 180,000 are one TWO machines!!
Where as the million something are on who knows how many Linux boxen
Jeremy
Maybe they are filtering OUT refers from /.... G...
:) HMMMN
I typed int he URL into my browser and got their fine.. heh
Jeremy
Some people would have us believe that.. *grin*
I agree, and im not anonymous ;)
A good portion of Open Source projects (im guilty..) Are just things you got an itch to do and instead of sitting down and documenting (Most programmer think of as boring) you went in there and started hacking out code.
It happens yes.
But the peer review thats not a joke... Its very real and if you just wrote a poor program it will eventually gain a reputation as such... *shrug* But your right a lot of time I never formally document or design little projects of mine and point and case, most projects have "documentation coming soon" all over their site but they have working somewhat functional programs....
Documentation *IS* a part of a program.
Jeremy
Did whoever moderated this post even *READ* what I wrote??? This is exactly what the person who wrote the article was talking about.
Projects that sacrifice delivery time with proper development, its happening I was hoping to provoke a little discussion and gain some insight into the problem, instead I am modded down. Just GREAT I hate it when people moderate without reading the damn articles.
I am developing a *VERY* large and far reaching application as far as what it will do. We are writing the core system, Yesterday I was explaning arrays to my boss (Its a Web Application). I am the only one with any real experience and or practice doing things like algorithm analysis but he is a very smart guy with a lot of good ideas. But..
:-(
More over the entire *look* of the application is controlled by our 'marketing/PR/graphics arm'.
I am vaguely aware of how a properly structured software development firm should run, but it seems there are so few people out there who run big projects who still write quality software to teach. I have no problem learning and participating in these type of reviews. I think they are good I have even bugged my boss to do so a couple of times. Every morning we just come back in and start writing code. We are already behind schedule since he does many meetings so we have put off several meetings already in lieu of completeing more code (bad idea
We were going to have an entire review and more in depth planning of our next set of components however that just has not happend its been abbreivated to sit down, sketh out the notes we talk about them for like 30 minutes and then I go hack some more... we had a week scheduled for planning.
I cant forcibly make code reviews happen and there is no really strong CS backgrounded people here to help... Someone please give some advice on how to rescue this project before it falls into the depths of unmaintainablility and I am a disgruntled hacker.. I have strong influence right now its just me and one other developer...
Jeremy
I totally agree, when Linuxis as consistent as MS is for its user interface guidelines and they have as much standards and documentation on how to write software then maybe the big players will adopt. If I want to create an Windows based app and I want to follow user interface guidelines on how to do so there is documentation that will allow my document to be standard and act and play like all the other MS apps just tomes of (THAT IS NOT A TROLL/FLAME!!!) ways to design an application.. Linux?????? Could someone get a clue? Thank you (Yes I klnow about Gnome foundation)
One of the major tenets of a big application and its development is full and complete documentation of it before you even write the first line of code... Why do you think things struggle with the interface so much, people tend to just hack code before really considering globally the implications of somethings.. anyways im digressing the point is things are just being done backwards and people are learning the hard way... We have all these non uniform apps. whereas if there was a document for people to follow on User Interface maybe we would have a bit more uniformity and apps taht wernet uniform could be shunned, if you guys want a cool toy then by all means keep Linux going in the direction it is but if you want to really take over the world. (who doesnt?) Then we have to keep things more structured.... anyways
Jeremy
Come now, we all know the real reason..
People just couldnt be happy without flamewars.
It is the beggining of time Unix was created. Soon Unix guru's became discontent without a flame war going so they decided to create an editor purely in lisp more as a pissing contest than any sane reason we could find, they decided to pave the way for one of the first great holy wars
Ever since Unix gurus have carried this tradition by challenging each other to see who can create the biggest flamewar.
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Different tools for different jobs are certainly needed....
RMySQl, PostgreSQL, (interbase|Firebird)
They all do different jobs and different things better than others, CHOICE especially *free* choices are always good why do people constnatly discourage this.
In Somethings (User interface) choice is not optimal, in others(RDBMS) Its good.
Jeremy
No doubt, I was just stupefied when I read "robot with gun", "controlled from internet" The only way to make something secure is to unplug the damn thing from the internet.
The first time some script kiddie runs a root kit and ownz a robot and ends up killing someone.. oh boy... I wouldnt want to be responsible for the one with the idea to control the thing from the internet.
Right... I know about the relative (IN)security of the internet *chortle*
Jeremy
If they start charging for IE Mozilla is still alive.. we have the source it will never go away.
Jeremy
In explorer: Click the first file, hold down Ctrl, click the second file, click the third file. Press Ctrl-C. Scroll the bar up to find the "A:" icon. Click on it. Press Ctrl-V. Might be an easier way, but I had the work done in wincmd probably before the winslows user pressed Ctrl-C!!! Bleh...
Click, Shift+Click CtrlC, CtrlV
Took me about 2 seconds to copy three files.. So uhm.. is that slow?
Point taken :) yer right
Heh not exactly, I doubt many people really qualify for the caliber of art director they are looking for...
The company we are spinning off from has an amazing team and the art director there is really great at creative stuff such as drawing/design of advertisements etc. He really knows his stuff.
It takes a lot of practice and a good deal of creativity/natural talent to be really good. (Yes I know anyone can learn it but natrual talent helps) I just dont see tons and tons of people applying for this.
Jeremy
Funny you mention Afterstep.
Have you ever heard of LiteStep? Its a small replacement for the current for the windows graphical shell... Gee you cant customize it tho..
When people post without really understanding the parts of an operating system they are critisizing its pretty sad dont you think?
The threat for people who just do simple things who check their email is so much more than laughable, these are the people who are gonna be happy with a web appliance that will run.. a non MS Operating system most likely.
Not the desktop market perse but.. Its not an MS Operating system, its all coming and rabid zealots like you who run around spouting this utter bullshit are just gonna piss people off.
Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
The variety that currently exists amongst un*x mail clients makes them secure. How does a variety of clients make them more secure?
That is like saying since there are 10 different flavors of Unix they are more secure! *COUGH* Please explain how having more clients makes them more secure. Maybe from your average script kiddie only... *shrugs*
Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
Thats one of those skills, not crying when you have to fire people. I guess not all of them are heartless bastards, but im sure its a perk ;)
If you think education is expensive, try ignornace
If you think about it, with a couple GIG of ram on a server why *not* load the entire database to ram? :)
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
I said this before but I think its important enough to say it again.
:)
Those TPC Benchmarks are not going to provide you a whole hell of a lot of useful information if you are using PostgreSQL or an open source database.
That leads to this:
You need to analyze something and see if it can meet your needs.
It can be quite difficult without some sort of real world gauge to determine if a total port of your application to something like PostgreSQL will meet your needs so...
The best thing to do honestly is seriously and rigourusly test these things for yourself. Things like the TPC benchmarks are just rigged pissing contests to me, its not data I you can effectively use when there are just so many factors besides who can toggle a number to be bigger than another companies.. It just dont help you out
A *real* world test for me is going to be spending two of three weeks porting most of an application to PostgreSQL strapping it into a staging cluster and running a stress test utility on it. Who cares about TPC marks if the database backend holds up to the load my production environment currently experiences. Who cares if when I test it for scalability it scales? I really wish I could find the time to do such a test because when you do things like this the things you learn along the way generally 'make/break' a product in your mind as to whether or not its usable.
Thats all, is reading a simple OR complex benchmark gonna tell me how productive im gonna be writing Stored procedures in PostgreSQL? Is that benchmark going to tell me the amount of tuning time required to get a database to the point where it could perform at said level? Is it going to tell me anything? No not really.
They are just numbers that are very weakly linked to some words. *sighs*
I know im bringing up a lot of points so here is the correlation.
Benchmarks are more in theory not in practice. If you have a serious project you cant just use benchmarks to guide your way, you have to use products you are effecient in and products that meet your needs and or potential needs.
I just get real worked up over benchmarks like this, they just dont matter, as Pete pointed out on a previous post, Its apples and Oranges when your talking ANSI92 compliant and Not ANSI92 compliant. Its just such a mindbendingly unfair benchmark. I dont really even believe there is a safe way to benchmark databases except for your own testing. I will stop rambling now
Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
Thanks, that article explained more than I have read on /. articles the whole time :)
:) I dont wanna learn Quantum Mechanics, I dont wanna research it keep the gory details far from me :)
Quantum computing *IS* cool and it will be incredibly useful but if this kind of thing doesnt turn you on I woudlnt worry overmuch.. By the time I am retired it may be relevant they have a whole lot of research to do it took them several years to even determine if this was possible beyond 'theory' you know in theory and in practice are such different things.
In theory I should never work more than 40 hours a week since im salaried right *cough cough* this is just something really cool to watch out for IMO
Jeremy
If you think education is expensive, try ignornace
Correct me if I am wrong but doesnt stock usually *drop* when companies change helms? heh it would be rather telling if he is publicly thought of that badly.
If you think education is expensive, try ignornace