Containing antimatter, if you had it in bulk quantities, would be much easier than containing a plasma, since it doesn't have to be superhot like a plasma.
I don't mean to pick at stuff or anything, but I can go down the street (maybe 300 yards?) and hang out with a bunch of the other physics nerds and play with plasmas under the eye of Dr. Thomas (Auburn) pretty much whenever.
That's not to say it's like 'poof!' and there's a plasma, it does take a bit of tweaking the pressure, using the right gas, a vacuum chamber, etc, but they aren't so difficult to create (they're only a fourth state of matter, rather than being the opposite thereof)
They did fix it - in order to exploit it, you had to send a message through AOL's servers. Harmful messages are now blocked at AOL's servers, so the exploit is no longer effective.
I think it's pretty much given that this is the most reasonable course of action - AOL is primarily for people who aren't that great with computers, and very well could have difficulties upgrading, if they decided to do so, so instead of forcing all of their millions of users to fix it themselves (that's basically what it would come across as to most users - they don't know what's really going on), so AOL can simply block it themselves and fix the client in the next round of upgrades. And that leaves out the cost of extra bandwidth, people rushing to upgrade before they get hit, etc.
Obscurity would imply that they hid it; what they in fact did was block the exploit completely.
We're sorry, but this kind of behavior will no longer be tolerated for a girl of your age - 13 years old, and still trying to be a geek imposter. It's simply not right, and I will not stand for it.
This isn't meant to be a flame, but more of a wondering-if-you're-here-to-troll-or-not kind of thing, so please don't take this to heart or anything.
RTM. Seriously. The -ac trees and -mjc trees have their purpose well-documented. For example, if you search the lkml for 'Cohen', his post about the branch comes up, and (in it and a follow-up) he makes it clear what he's doing: bringing a bunch of patches together so you don't have to worry about all of that stuff and can just go to one place. He also states that he wants to keep his branch as close to the stable branch as possible.
About what to do when there's a bug - just save your config (.config - it's in the docs - you did read those, right?) and download/recompile while you're eating dinner or sleeping, copy the new one into place, add a couple of lines into lilo.conf, run lilo, and reboot. Simple as that.
If you're just looking for simplicity and not losing much time, don't upgrade to XFS or worry about which VM you want, but it seems like you want all the exotic new stuff to be already completed, stabilized, and integrated into the kernel. Without having to look at the different branches to see if they've already got it in place. Good luck, you'll need it.
Believe it or not, FreeBSD is also imperfect - it has bugs from time to time (which you said you didn't like about Linux), and (unlikely) security holes (which Linux has also). The fixing process is the same. As long as you just stuck with a stable branch and didn't go for the not-yet-accepted stuff.
And for the rest of the post, that fits the guidelines for troll pretty well (A does this thing better/a different way than B, so A is better than B, etc).
Anyway, please don't take any of this personally, I just get annoyed easily by a lot of stuff like this.
Is -mjc going to keep up with the performance related patches added to 2.5, and backport them?
Most of the performace patches (pre-emptible, etc) are just patches to the current kernels that the stable kernel's maintainer hasn't accepted, for one reason or another. Chances are, they will go straight into 2.5 so that they can be tested and improved upon.
The reason for -mjc is to allow people to use the performance patches without having to worry about conflicts between the patches, applying them, etc - it looks just like a normal kernel package, except with -mjc at the end.
The -ac series follows the same guidelines - it tends to have slightly fancier features, newer drivers, etc. Every once in a while, when the stable kernel's maintainer decides that the -ac series is stable enough, a lot of the patches that went into -ac are put into the stable series, to get all the new drivers in there.
I doubt that will happen the same way for -mjc, since the patches are more along the lines of getting every little bit of performance possible, instead of having a wide testing ground for new drivers, vm's, etc.
It's not the end of the world. AUI adapters are easy to find and are pretty cheap (mine was ~$10 from a store that sells random computer cables/adaptors; they can be had online for about the same).
Also, using AUI makes a fair amount of sense - it *is* simpler, so you don't have to worry about the signals as much, so it's easier to make at home:)
Now, compare the price of parts plus the AUI adapter (I'll let you do that one) to the price of a cheap (though crazy fast) commercial link, and it should make sense why this is good. Also, as someone else already stated, there's the simple fact that you're using your very own homemade optical datalink;)
Perphaps you should consider taking a course in American Government sometime? Law enforcement agencies quite often auction off property used evidence in criminal cases - a fairly good example of this is in the speedboats used to traffic drugs from Cuba to Florida.
The thing about CD burners is that you can't go back and change things - you can add to the end of it, but that doesn't help much if you want to correct a number you put on something you're about to take to a friend's house - you have to re-burn it instead.
I just finally got version 2.0.34 to not make my toaster oven radiate green antimatter. I've heard that 2.4.15-pre14 has this feature built in if I remount my disks enough without syncing and doing lots of little changes to my filesystem - I guess it'd be a bit unorthodox to use that method to make my toaster stop, but it should theoretically work. Does the 2.5 series have this problem solved?
I kind of got frustrated after trying to patch it for a while, and just let it eat stuff before I finally made myself fix it, but when I sent in the patch, he said it was too big and obfuscated (I'm not quite sure what he meant - BettyLuJane could read it fine if I held her head on for her), but now I have to try all over again? 2.1 or 2.2 I think I could get done before it starts eating the sofa again, but 2.5? It'd eat all the way through the safety systems on all my Acme stuff, and I don't want that to happen again.
I mean, 2.5 just sounds really big. Does it mean I have to use real names for my variables instead of just my favorite letters? Also, I don't think my toaster liked gcc. It said something about being incompatible with M$ PROPRIETARY ANTIMATTER-GENERATING TOASTER's. I still don't know where that came from, but it all went away when I rewrote the kernel in Visual Basic 2.0+.
Well, thank you for your time. If you have any suggestions (or if you want to send me a new toaster - I can't really afford a new one quite yet), my email is gheiste.strauss@mickeymouse.com.
P.S. If it does fix the antimatter problem, does that mean I don't have to worry about it destroying the city anymore? (these guys in suits wouldn't take me seriously when I told them I couldn't figure out what was going on, and they let me go after a couple of years, but I don't like them anymore - they aren't as polite as they used to be)
They still have them - I had to teach the admin at my school how to make an autorun.inf so they could put cd's in them to make our web site pop up when they were giving tours for the accreditation people. I believe they still make them, too - my mom is a media specialist at a new school and mentions them a bunch.
Just to demonstrate your point, the story of a long-ago-found Solaris bug in some random service:
There was a completely unknown security in an early version of Solaris which allowed remote root compromise, etc. It was used with class (VERY sparingly), as to avoid detection. Eventually the guy got too comfortable with it, and The Admins That Be noticed there was a lot of traffic going to that port for no reason, and it was known to be secure, so they took a look into it. Eventually, after doing a full audit, they found the bug that the guy had been using all along.
The hole had been very obscure, but security was out the window as soon as one skilled [h/cr]acker found it. Whether or not he made it widely known didn't matter - there was a hole.
Try $450,000 + 27*$250,000. $7.2 million dollars is a pretty stinkin' good income for what it took to get them - far more than what it took to catch them.
I posted a longer comment earlier (#2690933) about this... But basically, law enforcement can make money off of prosecuting these guys, so they get a return off of what they put in, so they can fund more serious crimes.
But if we should put *the whole* FBI into safeguarding lives, the FBI wouldn't be able to support itself nearly as well, and would have to seriously cut back (or congress would have to give them more money).
Bust first, a view disregarding economics: Law enforcement is there to enforce the law. If it ignores too many counts of people breaking the law, breaking the law becomes the norm, law enforcement finds that it can no longer enforce the law to any pointful degree, and we have anarchy. I'm not mentioning specific crimes, since it's easily debatable over whether they're right or not (and that's for the courts to decide, or law enforcement in the case that they choose not to enforce it, i.e. playing checkers on the corner on sunday in some towns in Alabama/Mississippi or riding a bike on a sidewalk in many states), law enforcement must make itself known or there will be anarchy.
Now, say the FBI can auction off confiscated stuff that they found on crime scenes and used as evidence. Say $5,000 - a few nice computers, etc. That's $450,000 income (not to even mention what they would recover from software piracy fines!)... Now, add the max criminal fine from the SPA's web site ($250k; in reality most likely a lot less, but still a fair amount), and that's a TON of money that the FBI could use to support itself. And the terrorist investigations.
Also, just to put the terrorist thing into perspective: 5000 people died, and we should NEVER forget that. But it's simply not reasonable to run around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to kill them all without thinking of why they acted. They did it because (as Osama Bin Laden stated in his Fatwah) we were, and increasingly are, killing their people by the thousands, occupying (and even attacking them from) their most holy lands, and taking away their freedoms and culture. They only acted because we pushed them into a corner and they could do nothing else to strike back at us for it, simply because we are the gorilla of world politics and firepower.
Well, I guess I don't have much choice of whether to tell my story or not - I'm 18 now, so I fully qualify myself as old (relative to what I used to be, mind you!)... So here she is:
Back in my junior year of high school, our school's roof was being re-tarred. My friend Matt, a very mischevious fellow, is pretty quick to act once he figures out something cool (which he's really good at, too). So one day he was walking home from school (he lives across the street from school), and he thought about this tar-sprayer-thingy he saw while he was wandering around skipping class that day. Needless to say, he figured out that if he put a match in front of it as he turned it on, it worked like a flamethrower. So I came by his house after Cross Country practice, and went downstairs to his room. He wasn't there (surprising since his latest car was still in one piece in his driveway). So I headed back upstairs. Then, before I got to the stairs, I saw him outside his basement doors (they were those glass sliding ones), so I walked in his direction to see what he was up to this time. Right about when I could see what he was doing, and before I sprinted away, he lit it. 15 feet of pure flameage. Never before and never since have I been so scared in my entire life.
Anyway, instead of giving a good ending, I'm going to sleep now:)
I'm not trying to crash in on everything, but you gotta remember:
There could be a 4000 year time difference here. That's not to say that it's wrong, but there's a fair chance it could be something completely different/seperate.
But, the question is: did you leave the power supplies like that, or did you finish the job and hack them too? (they're pretty small compared to their boxes - most likely for ventilation, but a setup like this couldn't use very much power - you're running off of MB's and floppies, so using very underpowered power supplies would be a sweet option if you could get them for low enough cost)
If you modify one constant, you have to modify them all, so that the universe doesn't fall apart.
One of the biggest questions of my physics professor's PHD-question-thingies (and he went to MIT and got his Ph.D. at 23, so it's no small thing, either) was if we would know if all the constants in the universe were one day simply cut in half. Since all constants are defined in relation to each other, the only possible way it could be done would be to find some non-dimensional quantum constant, which currently doesn't exist yet.
So it really wouldn't matter whether the speed of light was (or is, for that matter) just 2*10^8 m/s. We wouldn't know the difference.
I thing it goes the other way around. No offense or anything, but there are different kinds of beauty. Some people look nice, and some have "good personalities". I think we all know which one he fits into.
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I don't mean to pick at stuff or anything, but I can go down the street (maybe 300 yards?) and hang out with a bunch of the other physics nerds and play with plasmas under the eye of Dr. Thomas (Auburn) pretty much whenever.
That's not to say it's like 'poof!' and there's a plasma, it does take a bit of tweaking the pressure, using the right gas, a vacuum chamber, etc, but they aren't so difficult to create (they're only a fourth state of matter, rather than being the opposite thereof)
Anyone else notice what the message reads in the second shot?
You mean yours doesn't?
Crazy newfangled moms....
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They did fix it - in order to exploit it, you had to send a message through AOL's servers. Harmful messages are now blocked at AOL's servers, so the exploit is no longer effective.
I think it's pretty much given that this is the most reasonable course of action - AOL is primarily for people who aren't that great with computers, and very well could have difficulties upgrading, if they decided to do so, so instead of forcing all of their millions of users to fix it themselves (that's basically what it would come across as to most users - they don't know what's really going on), so AOL can simply block it themselves and fix the client in the next round of upgrades. And that leaves out the cost of extra bandwidth, people rushing to upgrade before they get hit, etc.
Obscurity would imply that they hid it; what they in fact did was block the exploit completely.
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We're sorry, but this kind of behavior will no longer be tolerated for a girl of your age - 13 years old, and still trying to be a geek imposter. It's simply not right, and I will not stand for it.
This isn't meant to be a flame, but more of a wondering-if-you're-here-to-troll-or-not kind of thing, so please don't take this to heart or anything.
RTM. Seriously. The -ac trees and -mjc trees have their purpose well-documented. For example, if you search the lkml for 'Cohen', his post about the branch comes up, and (in it and a follow-up) he makes it clear what he's doing: bringing a bunch of patches together so you don't have to worry about all of that stuff and can just go to one place. He also states that he wants to keep his branch as close to the stable branch as possible.
About what to do when there's a bug - just save your config (.config - it's in the docs - you did read those, right?) and download/recompile while you're eating dinner or sleeping, copy the new one into place, add a couple of lines into lilo.conf, run lilo, and reboot. Simple as that.
If you're just looking for simplicity and not losing much time, don't upgrade to XFS or worry about which VM you want, but it seems like you want all the exotic new stuff to be already completed, stabilized, and integrated into the kernel. Without having to look at the different branches to see if they've already got it in place. Good luck, you'll need it.
Believe it or not, FreeBSD is also imperfect - it has bugs from time to time (which you said you didn't like about Linux), and (unlikely) security holes (which Linux has also). The fixing process is the same. As long as you just stuck with a stable branch and didn't go for the not-yet-accepted stuff.
And for the rest of the post, that fits the guidelines for troll pretty well (A does this thing better/a different way than B, so A is better than B, etc).
Anyway, please don't take any of this personally, I just get annoyed easily by a lot of stuff like this.
Most of the performace patches (pre-emptible, etc) are just patches to the current kernels that the stable kernel's maintainer hasn't accepted, for one reason or another. Chances are, they will go straight into 2.5 so that they can be tested and improved upon.
The reason for -mjc is to allow people to use the performance patches without having to worry about conflicts between the patches, applying them, etc - it looks just like a normal kernel package, except with -mjc at the end.
The -ac series follows the same guidelines - it tends to have slightly fancier features, newer drivers, etc. Every once in a while, when the stable kernel's maintainer decides that the -ac series is stable enough, a lot of the patches that went into -ac are put into the stable series, to get all the new drivers in there.
I doubt that will happen the same way for -mjc, since the patches are more along the lines of getting every little bit of performance possible, instead of having a wide testing ground for new drivers, vm's, etc.
It's not the end of the world. AUI adapters are easy to find and are pretty cheap (mine was ~$10 from a store that sells random computer cables/adaptors; they can be had online for about the same).
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Also, using AUI makes a fair amount of sense - it *is* simpler, so you don't have to worry about the signals as much, so it's easier to make at home
Now, compare the price of parts plus the AUI adapter (I'll let you do that one) to the price of a cheap (though crazy fast) commercial link, and it should make sense why this is good. Also, as someone else already stated, there's the simple fact that you're using your very own homemade optical datalink
Personally, I came from my mom :)
Perphaps you should consider taking a course in American Government sometime? Law enforcement agencies quite often auction off property used evidence in criminal cases - a fairly good example of this is in the speedboats used to traffic drugs from Cuba to Florida.
The thing about CD burners is that you can't go back and change things - you can add to the end of it, but that doesn't help much if you want to correct a number you put on something you're about to take to a friend's house - you have to re-burn it instead.
I just finally got version 2.0.34 to not make my toaster oven radiate green antimatter. I've heard that 2.4.15-pre14 has this feature built in if I remount my disks enough without syncing and doing lots of little changes to my filesystem - I guess it'd be a bit unorthodox to use that method to make my toaster stop, but it should theoretically work. Does the 2.5 series have this problem solved?
I kind of got frustrated after trying to patch it for a while, and just let it eat stuff before I finally made myself fix it, but when I sent in the patch, he said it was too big and obfuscated (I'm not quite sure what he meant - BettyLuJane could read it fine if I held her head on for her), but now I have to try all over again? 2.1 or 2.2 I think I could get done before it starts eating the sofa again, but 2.5? It'd eat all the way through the safety systems on all my Acme stuff, and I don't want that to happen again.
I mean, 2.5 just sounds really big. Does it mean I have to use real names for my variables instead of just my favorite letters? Also, I don't think my toaster liked gcc. It said something about being incompatible with M$ PROPRIETARY ANTIMATTER-GENERATING TOASTER's. I still don't know where that came from, but it all went away when I rewrote the kernel in Visual Basic 2.0+.
Well, thank you for your time. If you have any suggestions (or if you want to send me a new toaster - I can't really afford a new one quite yet), my email is gheiste.strauss@mickeymouse.com.
P.S. If it does fix the antimatter problem, does that mean I don't have to worry about it destroying the city anymore? (these guys in suits wouldn't take me seriously when I told them I couldn't figure out what was going on, and they let me go after a couple of years, but I don't like them anymore - they aren't as polite as they used to be)
They still have them - I had to teach the admin at my school how to make an autorun.inf so they could put cd's in them to make our web site pop up when they were giving tours for the accreditation people. I believe they still make them, too - my mom is a media specialist at a new school and mentions them a bunch.
Just to demonstrate your point, the story of a long-ago-found Solaris bug in some random service:
There was a completely unknown security in an early version of Solaris which allowed remote root compromise, etc. It was used with class (VERY sparingly), as to avoid detection. Eventually the guy got too comfortable with it, and The Admins That Be noticed there was a lot of traffic going to that port for no reason, and it was known to be secure, so they took a look into it. Eventually, after doing a full audit, they found the bug that the guy had been using all along.
The hole had been very obscure, but security was out the window as soon as one skilled [h/cr]acker found it. Whether or not he made it widely known didn't matter - there was a hole.
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Try $450,000 + 27*$250,000. $7.2 million dollars is a pretty stinkin' good income for what it took to get them - far more than what it took to catch them.
I posted a longer comment earlier (#2690933) about this... But basically, law enforcement can make money off of prosecuting these guys, so they get a return off of what they put in, so they can fund more serious crimes.
But if we should put *the whole* FBI into safeguarding lives, the FBI wouldn't be able to support itself nearly as well, and would have to seriously cut back (or congress would have to give them more money).
Bust first, a view disregarding economics: Law enforcement is there to enforce the law. If it ignores too many counts of people breaking the law, breaking the law becomes the norm, law enforcement finds that it can no longer enforce the law to any pointful degree, and we have anarchy. I'm not mentioning specific crimes, since it's easily debatable over whether they're right or not (and that's for the courts to decide, or law enforcement in the case that they choose not to enforce it, i.e. playing checkers on the corner on sunday in some towns in Alabama/Mississippi or riding a bike on a sidewalk in many states), law enforcement must make itself known or there will be anarchy.
Now, say the FBI can auction off confiscated stuff that they found on crime scenes and used as evidence. Say $5,000 - a few nice computers, etc. That's $450,000 income (not to even mention what they would recover from software piracy fines!)... Now, add the max criminal fine from the SPA's web site ($250k; in reality most likely a lot less, but still a fair amount), and that's a TON of money that the FBI could use to support itself. And the terrorist investigations.
Also, just to put the terrorist thing into perspective: 5000 people died, and we should NEVER forget that. But it's simply not reasonable to run around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to kill them all without thinking of why they acted. They did it because (as Osama Bin Laden stated in his Fatwah) we were, and increasingly are, killing their people by the thousands, occupying (and even attacking them from) their most holy lands, and taking away their freedoms and culture. They only acted because we pushed them into a corner and they could do nothing else to strike back at us for it, simply because we are the gorilla of world politics and firepower.
Well, I guess I don't have much choice of whether to tell my story or not - I'm 18 now, so I fully qualify myself as old (relative to what I used to be, mind you!)... So here she is:
:)
Back in my junior year of high school, our school's roof was being re-tarred. My friend Matt, a very mischevious fellow, is pretty quick to act once he figures out something cool (which he's really good at, too). So one day he was walking home from school (he lives across the street from school), and he thought about this tar-sprayer-thingy he saw while he was wandering around skipping class that day. Needless to say, he figured out that if he put a match in front of it as he turned it on, it worked like a flamethrower. So I came by his house after Cross Country practice, and went downstairs to his room. He wasn't there (surprising since his latest car was still in one piece in his driveway). So I headed back upstairs. Then, before I got to the stairs, I saw him outside his basement doors (they were those glass sliding ones), so I walked in his direction to see what he was up to this time. Right about when I could see what he was doing, and before I sprinted away, he lit it. 15 feet of pure flameage. Never before and never since have I been so scared in my entire life.
Anyway, instead of giving a good ending, I'm going to sleep now
I'm not trying to crash in on everything, but you gotta remember:
There could be a 4000 year time difference here. That's not to say that it's wrong, but there's a fair chance it could be something completely different/seperate.
Peace
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> information is at risk that organization can be
> forced go entirely offline?
Remember: there was an investigation into it, it's not like they just came up with a random, ungrounded claim.
Pretty :)
But, the question is: did you leave the power supplies like that, or did you finish the job and hack them too? (they're pretty small compared to their boxes - most likely for ventilation, but a setup like this couldn't use very much power - you're running off of MB's and floppies, so using very underpowered power supplies would be a sweet option if you could get them for low enough cost)
But you have to remember:
If you modify one constant, you have to modify them all, so that the universe doesn't fall apart.
One of the biggest questions of my physics professor's PHD-question-thingies (and he went to MIT and got his Ph.D. at 23, so it's no small thing, either) was if we would know if all the constants in the universe were one day simply cut in half. Since all constants are defined in relation to each other, the only possible way it could be done would be to find some non-dimensional quantum constant, which currently doesn't exist yet.
So it really wouldn't matter whether the speed of light was (or is, for that matter) just 2*10^8 m/s. We wouldn't know the difference.
About the cowboyneal thing:
I thing it goes the other way around. No offense or anything, but there are different kinds of beauty. Some people look nice, and some have "good personalities". I think we all know which one he fits into.
Poof! the old vm disappears