I got another analogy! Imagine a few restaurants. Linux, Apple, and Microsoft. Apple has employees go to a food bank to pick-up free packaged/canned/etc foods(GNU), only they 'add to it' by cooking it/preparing it and adding herbs and spices(which no one argues are meaningless) they actually did buy(oh, the water is free). Something already done by the 'food pantry'/charity(Linux) for free, but now there's a charge involved. They don't pass that savings on, Apple is charging just as much, if not more, as the next restaurant(Windows) that buys/produces all its own food/herbs/spice(code). In fact, Mac charges per ingredient(minor upgrades), and there's a steep cover charge to get in(Apple-branded hardware). Ingredients Microsoft, which actually 'buys all their food'(paying programmers for code), give you for free with the 'meal'(OS)!
This is either the best analogy ever or inedible. I seem to like food analogies though!
I'll try to respond to the replies so far.
I think the integration of closed-source with high dependence on 3rd party open source is somewhat taking advantage of the spirit of all the programmers who contributed and did not receive any monetary compensation for their hard work. On the flip-side, Apple investors are profiting heavily. To create an analogy.... The food pyramid. Grains, vegetables, fruit, meat, and diary... represent OSS, the sweets/fats represent the Apple contribution. Only there are certainly lots of sweets/fats. I personally wouldn't mind using a Mac if I could disable more of the animations/glitz(time-wasters), and those drop shadows which make resizing a window rather sluggish. For instance, instead of a genie/scale/drain effect, I'd like a more-or-less identical option to cmd-h, hide. Which is instant, but requires using the keyboard, which requires me to, 99% of the time, look at the keyboard, wasting more time. Which is frustrating! Though the dock, after some tweaking, is quite usable.
91degrees, I agree. Most tech companies jump at the chance to exploit FOSS, even if they don't know what they're doing (there's a funny Dilbert comic about this).
Basically I dislike most of Apple's license agreements. Like when they released Safari for Windows. Technically the legalise stated you could only run it on Apple-branded computers. How can anything be in the spirit of OSS when restricted to a single hardware vendor(that's like MS making Windows run exclusively on MS hardware...) Which is somewhat ironic that a proprietary OS runs on nearly any x86.. but an OS(and many other Apps, not all) based largely on OSS do not? Where's the openness? Safari wouldn't exist without webkit. And OS X wouldn't exist without BSD/NEXT. I'm sure there's more, but I'm unaware. My problem is not a single Apple product, but I have a problem with their corporation as a whole. Which is why I'll never purchase any Apple product(to save any trolls that 'suggestion'). I quit my last job because I was refused the choice of OS. I was forced to use Apple OS X. Ever used Filemaker? It's owned by a subsidiary of Apple. Even Mac users I speak with think it's horrible.
I don't mean to rant endlessly, so I'll stop now.
Typically work computers are out-dated. I had a Mac mini at an old job. It'd averaged 3-5 minutes to boot to where I could USE it to actually clock-in(FileMaker didn't help this). Windows(avg) tends to boot quickly, 1-3 minutes on comparable hardware to a Mac Mini, but you don't have a responsive system at that point! The hard drive is still likely being thrashed for upto 3-5 minutes after power on. This is based on my experiences with my 3 Windows PCs(athlon xp 1600+,p4 2.4Ghz, and p4 3Ghz, all using ATA 100/133, 7200 RPM, 8+ MB caches to boot off). And I don't have a lot of start-ups on any of them.
Maybe you'd have no excuse on a modern RAID0 SATA with a quad core and 16 GB of RAM or whatever.... But for the rest of us, you'd be lucky to find hardware better than a ~2 Ghz (a GB of RAM if you're lucky) and cheap IDE drives that may not even be in UDMA mode 5 or 6.
This is probably the proper legal ruling. Though I disagree with Apple profitting off OSS which they did not initially create. They might as well be Linspire, in that regard.
Apparently you have not used a Mac. I had a job using one with OS X.5. It would kernel panic weekly. On the flip side, my Windows NT5 computer hasn't has a BSOD in a very, very long time.
BTW: any modern OS supports virtulization! In Apple-land it's just more of a requirement.
You believe it has a clean interface and performs well. You are not fussing with simple stuff? Most people, like me, do. And it's constant. Mac users don't understand that. But non-Apple users who have tried it understand all too well.
Yea extended function keys? Like printscreen? Nope. Home and End functionality...? Horrible.
I don't see how ANY seasoned non-Apple programmer could work with the functionality of home and end going to the end and start of documents instead of the current line. Try to change it, or other keyboard functionality to a more non-Apple paradigm? It's inconsistent at best, and you go back to Apple's way. The feeling of being defeated by a Apple computer is soul-crushing.
Who cares what version they call it, as long as it increments...? Seriously. I care about it crashing NUMEROUS times a day! And I hate the awesome lame bar.
I was asked to remove my wallpaper of the 'motherly' woman wearing the BSOD shirt... the reason... it 'focused' on her ample bosom. So I found the zoomed-out version with her face in it. They didn't like that either. Found one with a flat-chested woman. They didn't like that either. Why? Some ugly, fat, whining, bitch!!!
Yea.... When your nation's major business model involves revolves around charging for information... Most of which is bad information... but regarded as divine... you became America.
Wow.... This remind me of that comic with the ambiguous superhero... 'I think my common sense is tingling!'. Then below it... Common sense... so rare it's a fucking super power.
Seriously, patents are fucking stupid. So is IP(intellectual property). Get rid of these, and world peace would happen over night.
Once again, the real purpose of product activation is to screw over the paying customer who wants to install the OS he paid for on both of his systems.
Insightful? Delusional.
Exercise does not cause obesity.
Obese is not just weight. It's a ratio measurement. Starving gets you no where. Your body is designed for starvation. And cuts back fat expenditure greatly during times of famine (by lowering your metabolism). So then you eat... with this low metabolism... and BAM, your calories do NOT get burned, but stored.
You're your own Oroboros.
Balance is required.
I have an AMD Athlon processor, but my next system will likely be Intel/Nvidia.
I upgraded from a Radeon 9000 to a GF7600GT recently. Woah boy! Several times increase in performance, and paid the same price, essentially(5-6 years later). It has a nice price tag($100 after rebate), and better driver support and better performance than comparable ATI (~HD2600) cards. That's enough reason for me to switch. I didn't need anything 'uber' in my AGP 2.0 compliant slot that maxes at a mere 4x, just a little someting to keep this system 'in the game' for another few years. Biggest motivation was DX9 and Shader Model 3. I have no plans to run Vista, even though my system can now!
You're confusing digital with physical. Don't feel bad, law makers do it religiously.
This is the internet. If I allow anonymous access to my FTP... then allow full (777) privleges on everything. It's my fault if anything bad happens.
Where is the personal responsibility?
The owner of the WAP has complete control over it. If the owner bothered calling the support number for the WiFi Router... a customer service rep would gladly assist the owner in securing his WiFi network.
An unsecured(open) WAP should be 100% legal to connect and use. Now then, even if you know the key to a secured network you should not be permitted to access it with authorization.
I got another analogy! Imagine a few restaurants. Linux, Apple, and Microsoft.
Apple has employees go to a food bank to pick-up free packaged/canned/etc foods(GNU), only they 'add to it' by cooking it/preparing it and adding herbs and spices(which no one argues are meaningless) they actually did buy(oh, the water is free).
Something already done by the 'food pantry'/charity(Linux) for free, but now there's a charge involved.
They don't pass that savings on, Apple is charging just as much, if not more, as the next restaurant(Windows) that buys/produces all its own food/herbs/spice(code). In fact, Mac charges per ingredient(minor upgrades), and there's a steep cover charge to get in(Apple-branded hardware).
Ingredients Microsoft, which actually 'buys all their food'(paying programmers for code), give you for free with the 'meal'(OS)!
This is either the best analogy ever or inedible. I seem to like food analogies though!
I'll try to respond to the replies so far.
I think the integration of closed-source with high dependence on 3rd party open source is somewhat taking advantage of the spirit of all the programmers who contributed and did not receive any monetary compensation for their hard work. On the flip-side, Apple investors are profiting heavily.
To create an analogy.... The food pyramid. Grains, vegetables, fruit, meat, and diary... represent OSS, the sweets/fats represent the Apple contribution. Only there are certainly lots of sweets/fats. I personally wouldn't mind using a Mac if I could disable more of the animations/glitz(time-wasters), and those drop shadows which make resizing a window rather sluggish. For instance, instead of a genie/scale/drain effect, I'd like a more-or-less identical option to cmd-h, hide. Which is instant, but requires using the keyboard, which requires me to, 99% of the time, look at the keyboard, wasting more time. Which is frustrating! Though the dock, after some tweaking, is quite usable.
91degrees, I agree. Most tech companies jump at the chance to exploit FOSS, even if they don't know what they're doing (there's a funny Dilbert comic about this).
Basically I dislike most of Apple's license agreements. Like when they released Safari for Windows. Technically the legalise stated you could only run it on Apple-branded computers. How can anything be in the spirit of OSS when restricted to a single hardware vendor(that's like MS making Windows run exclusively on MS hardware...) Which is somewhat ironic that a proprietary OS runs on nearly any x86.. but an OS(and many other Apps, not all) based largely on OSS do not? Where's the openness?
Safari wouldn't exist without webkit. And OS X wouldn't exist without BSD/NEXT. I'm sure there's more, but I'm unaware.
My problem is not a single Apple product, but I have a problem with their corporation as a whole. Which is why I'll never purchase any Apple product(to save any trolls that 'suggestion').
I quit my last job because I was refused the choice of OS. I was forced to use Apple OS X. Ever used Filemaker? It's owned by a subsidiary of Apple. Even Mac users I speak with think it's horrible.
I don't mean to rant endlessly, so I'll stop now.
Typically work computers are out-dated. I had a Mac mini at an old job. It'd averaged 3-5 minutes to boot to where I could USE it to actually clock-in(FileMaker didn't help this). Windows(avg) tends to boot quickly, 1-3 minutes on comparable hardware to a Mac Mini, but you don't have a responsive system at that point! The hard drive is still likely being thrashed for upto 3-5 minutes after power on. This is based on my experiences with my 3 Windows PCs(athlon xp 1600+,p4 2.4Ghz, and p4 3Ghz, all using ATA 100/133, 7200 RPM, 8+ MB caches to boot off). And I don't have a lot of start-ups on any of them.
Maybe you'd have no excuse on a modern RAID0 SATA with a quad core and 16 GB of RAM or whatever.... But for the rest of us, you'd be lucky to find hardware better than a ~2 Ghz (a GB of RAM if you're lucky) and cheap IDE drives that may not even be in UDMA mode 5 or 6.
This is probably the proper legal ruling.
Though I disagree with Apple profitting off OSS which they did not initially create. They might as well be Linspire, in that regard.
Apparently you have not used a Mac. I had a job using one with OS X.5. It would kernel panic weekly. On the flip side, my Windows NT5 computer hasn't has a BSOD in a very, very long time.
BTW: any modern OS supports virtulization! In Apple-land it's just more of a requirement.
You believe it has a clean interface and performs well. You are not fussing with simple stuff? Most people, like me, do. And it's constant. Mac users don't understand that. But non-Apple users who have tried it understand all too well.
Yea extended function keys? Like printscreen? Nope. Home and End functionality...? Horrible.
I don't see how ANY seasoned non-Apple programmer could work with the functionality of home and end going to the end and start of documents instead of the current line. Try to change it, or other keyboard functionality to a more non-Apple paradigm? It's inconsistent at best, and you go back to Apple's way. The feeling of being defeated by a Apple computer is soul-crushing.
Have the criminals turn in each other!
Who cares what version they call it, as long as it increments...? Seriously. I care about it crashing NUMEROUS times a day! And I hate the awesome lame bar.
demand a refund! Teach fuck-ups a lesson.
I was asked to remove my wallpaper of the 'motherly' woman wearing the BSOD shirt... the reason... it 'focused' on her ample bosom. So I found the zoomed-out version with her face in it. They didn't like that either. Found one with a flat-chested woman. They didn't like that either. Why? Some ugly, fat, whining, bitch!!!
It's called Vista. Duuuuuuh.
USA has a one trillion dollar trade deficit.
Opera is more secure than either IE or FireFox.
FireFox crashes on me daily.
Opera crashes less.
I can't recall the last time IE crashed on me.
This is not endorsement, just reflection.
Yea.... When your nation's major business model involves revolves around charging for information... Most of which is bad information... but regarded as divine... you became America.
Hah. Nice.
Seriously, patents are fucking stupid. So is IP(intellectual property). Get rid of these, and world peace would happen over night.
Cuz it's the fun?
SO... we're not closed systems? Cancer isn't caused by nutritional deficencies? And speghetti monsters rule the universe!
Hah. Flamebait is the best.
That's piracy, genius!
Insightful? Delusional.
Exercise does not cause obesity.
Obese is not just weight. It's a ratio measurement.
Starving gets you no where. Your body is designed for starvation. And cuts back fat expenditure greatly during times of famine (by lowering your metabolism). So then you eat... with this low metabolism... and BAM, your calories do NOT get burned, but stored.
You're your own Oroboros.
Balance is required.
You are what you eat. Extend this. A chicken is what it eats. You are becoming what the chicken ate, by eating the chicken.
Lets examine what prejudice means... ahh fuck it.
I upgraded from a Radeon 9000 to a GF7600GT recently. Woah boy! Several times increase in performance, and paid the same price, essentially(5-6 years later). It has a nice price tag($100 after rebate), and better driver support and better performance than comparable ATI (~HD2600) cards. That's enough reason for me to switch. I didn't need anything 'uber' in my AGP 2.0 compliant slot that maxes at a mere 4x, just a little someting to keep this system 'in the game' for another few years. Biggest motivation was DX9 and Shader Model 3. I have no plans to run Vista, even though my system can now!
This is the internet. If I allow anonymous access to my FTP... then allow full (777) privleges on everything. It's my fault if anything bad happens.
Where is the personal responsibility?
The owner of the WAP has complete control over it. If the owner bothered calling the support number for the WiFi Router... a customer service rep would gladly assist the owner in securing his WiFi network.
An unsecured(open) WAP should be 100% legal to connect and use. Now then, even if you know the key to a secured network you should not be permitted to access it with authorization.