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Hospital Confirms Steve Jobs's Liver Transplant
CNet is reporting that the hospital where Apple's CEO reportedly got a liver transplant two months ago has now confirmed the truth of these reports. "Steve Jobs underwent his liver transplant about two months ago at Methodist University Hospital in Memphis, the hospital confirmed Tuesday. Jobs, who returned to work Apple's campus in Cupertino, Calif., on Monday after a six-month medical leave, 'is now recovering well and has an excellent prognosis,' according to a statement by Dr. James D. Eason, the program director of the Methodist University Hospital Transplant Institute. ... While Eason said the confirmation was being provided with Jobs's approval, he cited patient confidentially in saying that he could not reveal any further information on the specifics of Jobs's surgery."
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Nullius in verba
This is the second story in a few hours we've had talking about some guy's liver transplant. It makes me feel like a voyeur. Can we get back to something wholesome and uplifting, like bashing the RIAA?
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The iLiver. It's like your liver... but made by Apple! Easy to use, very fashionable, a little expensive, but totally worth it once your friends find out.
srsly?
I wonder how much trouble Apple may get into for calling Jobs' problem a "hormone imbalance" to their investors.
A hormonal imbalance is one thing, and a liver transplant is a completely different animal.
The same place Elvis Presley and Martin Luther King died.
A coincidence?
Or a conspiracy....
Beware the Reverse Vampires!
About the same time this buddy of mine, Eugene Victor Tooms went missing.
I record my sleeptalking
Yes, but the Steve Jobs update adds new features such as cut and paste, MMS, Spotlight search and an improved calendar!
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
Are you dense?
From your own quote:
While Eason said the confirmation was being provided with Jobs' approval ...
While Eason said the confirmation was being provided with Jobs' approval, he cited patient confidentiality in saying that he could not reveal any further information on the specifics of Jobs' surgery.
Read your own quote, dumbass.
was that Jobs underwent a brain enhancement procedure which enables him to sufficiently focus his mental RDF energy for use as a telepathic weapon.
Apple will house the new weapon, tentatively codenamed iDontThinkSo in an underground bunker beneath their Cupertino campus.
Because of Mr Jobs' prolific temper, executives were initially concerned about the potential for misuse the weapon presented and the possibility of its use against enemies who were not truly dire. For this reason, a killswitch was installed to be controlled remotely via Phil Schiller's iPhone.
Analysts predict the new weapon will bolster the company's share price by at least 20% and should by them enough time to complete the fully cybernetic Jobs 2.0.
Don't you just love kneejerk investors?
I bet some people with inside knowledge made some decent cash on this.
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
So much for HIPA
That would be 'dumbass, Sir!' to you... And thank Bhudda for /., where people can have a good old fashioned virtual pissing contest without mods getting in the way :)
Maybe now he'll understand why it's so important to be able to install third-party parts and he'll decide to loosen-up the licensing a little bit.
"Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
$10 says his old liver ends up on ebay.
My non-existent medical knowledge tells me there's a long wait for organ transplants. I wonder if Steve received accelerated care thanks to his status.
I'd tend to agree that this is useless voyeurism, except that there are some ethical issues that come up in transplants when the patient is very rich. The NY Times had an article about this today, and they specifically mentioned this hospital as one that had a very short average wait time of 3.8 months, compared to the national average of 12.3 months. "If you had access to a jet and had six hours to get anywhere in the country, you'd have a wide choice of programs," they quote one doctor as saying.
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"...saying that he could not reveal any further information on the specifics of Jobs's surgery"
Typical Apple secrecy.
And that was the last Terry Fox run I ever participated in.
Yes, we're all very impressed with your iLivers, iTransplant, iBloodType jokes. Frankly, iDontCare.
Replying to wipe bad mod. I'm with the mob - Read your own quote.
If I view the story here it's fine, but when viewing it at the 'friendly' url it spews crap all over the place. Namely those last three bars and that row of bubbles.
Come on Slashdot, if you at least fix this, I'll stop complaining about idle.
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The asshole "moved" to Tennessee to jump into a different organ transplant queue: 295 vs 1,615 people, and a wait of 48 days vs 306. Not only that, but there are no rules against entering multiple programs- so basically, you could enter every transplant program that would take you (and that you could afford), and virtually guarantee yourself an organ.
MSNBC did a nice job of putting all the facts together. In short: he had a complicating illness that normally would have ruled him out, he had the money to guarantee admittance into transplant program (whereas normal mere mortals are often denied coverage by their insurance companies, and cannot afford the 200K cost).
Oh yeah, and Apple lied to investors and the world: the man had cancer and a failing organ, and they claimed it was a "hormone imbalance." I hope the SEC is already working on this...
Please help metamoderate.
If he reads his own post, how will he be quick enough to get first post?
It's an iParadox
without mods? This is article about the messiah of the Apple cult. Wait till they release their mod army.
3...2...1...
Still absolutely amazed at this. Given Apple said it was a hormone imbalance... Isn't deliberately misleading investors the sort of thing the SEC takes a dim view of? Don't know my US stock market laws and all that but I can't imagine the guy who IS, to many people, Apple, being in a life threatening condition and the shareholders not being told being seen as a good thing. Yes it protected the share price, but didn't they lie?
Whatever, glad Jobs is okay. One of the few people in the tech industry I admire.
Glad to see I'm not the only one getting hit with this bug. I'd give you mod points, but I used my last one earlier in the thread.
Anybody want my mod points?
Liver transplant?
Think Different. (R)
Hormone Imbalance.
The USA has several organ-transplant centers. In theory, patients can enter their name into the waiting list of any or all centers.
Practically speaking, most patients enter their name into the waiting list of the single most accessible center. The patients then arrange to live near the center as their name approaches the top of the list. Physicians cannot just freeze a liver for a week until you can arrange a plane ticket to reach the center. Livers are perishable items.
Due to the aforementioned cost and logistical issues, patients are effectively restricted to only 1 center. However, Steve Jobs -- with his billions of dollars -- can enter his name into all the waiting lists of all the centers. He can hire a private jet service to take him to any center immediately.
Life just is not fair.
but they couldn't find his old one.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Replying to wipe bad mod. I'm with the mob - Read your own quote.
Excellent, then my drunk dumbass post might serve some purpose. Hopefully my post ends up -1 and the system remembers your equally stupid +1 mod and metamoderation will see to it that you will never get mod points again. It's clear you don't deserve them if you can't read a post before you moderate it.
I've no clue if that's how it works, I've never gotten mod points on this site but metamoderate all the time.
BTW, it's possible someone from that staff leaked that information to the WSJ (since their source was undisclosed) prior to Job's permission.
My work here is dung.
Please point me to all the other press releases where CEO announce they have health issues! The crowd say, "But Steve Jobs is more important to Apple, than other CEOs are to their companies". I say, then why are other companies paying them 10s of millions (and sometimes multiples of that) of dollars in salary then!!
Well a double-dumbass on you, sir!
---- Liquid was a patriot ----
On that girl a while back that had 6 months to live because she was dying of cancer.
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
Some people have more money and more power and better opportunities than others, but that doesn't make it automatically unfair. Would you cry "foul" if a sitting President took the same actions as Jobs? It's not like he cheated the system (as a President probably would). Would you be angry with a friend for buying a new TV or laptop that you wanted but couldn't afford?
Practically speaking, most patients enter their name into the waiting list of the single most accessible center. The patients then arrange to live near the center as their name approaches the top of the list.
Given that all centers were equally accessible to him, he did exactly what every patient does. He is smart enough to know that a queue of 295 is significantly lower than a queue of 1615, and all other things being equal the rational choice is to go for the shortest line. If you were in Jobs's place, what would you have done differently?
What is the point of having wealth if you don't use it to your advantage? Of course it can be misused, but you're going to have to work a lot harder to argue that that is the case here.
Your brain is not a computer.
Didn't hurt the stock that much.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
You're assuming Steve told Apple and gave them permission to tell others. Regardless of SEC rules, he's under no obligation to expose his HIPAA-protected data, nor are Apple, it shareholders, or the SEC is in a position to ask. Moreover, even if someone at Apple knew of his actual condition they can't legally reveal it to others without his consent.
So who is the person in Tennessee that didn't get a liver because Mr. Jobs conveniently "moved" there just to get one?
If we say longer term residency requirements on organ transplant lists then maybe some good could come of this. But I agree with the point you are making. I could also forgive him if he donated gobs of money to Tennessee health care, and someone else that couldn't afford a liver got one because he went there and donated money.
Pretty sure liver problems make hormone imbalances
Things will never be completely fair, but the way to make them more fair is to help everyone become more rich and powerful.
To paraphrase Bill Cosby (on "mind-expanding" drugs): But what if you're an asshole?
The same applies here:
Most people are the ones I see littering, driving like idiots, buying stupid junk, getting drunk and vomiting in my sunroof, etc.
Do I want them to be any more powerful than they are? Hell, no!
Futurist Traditionalism
Hah! If Job's body wasn't a multitasking environment he obviously wouldn't have had this system crash :P :rolls eyes:
I make liber in sugary, and need openatin. How can make appel to fourm me liber?
That's not exactly how it went down.
On January 5th, Jobs said that he had a hormone imbalance. On January 14th, he said that he had "learned [his] health issues are more complex than [he] originally thought".
A Whipple procedure really screws up your digestive system and almost everyone afterwards has bouts of weight loss, etc. It's altogether possible that his doctors thought that was going on until metastases were discovered between Jan 5th and Jan 14th.
It's a complicated matter, you know-- how much are stockholders entitled to know versus an executive's right to privacy in his medical information.
...if the liver came from a PC user.....
This is going to go well with Fava beans and a nice Chianti
Task Mangler
My wife is a nurse. She was on the same unit as Jobs at another hospital. I know things I can never say and it drives me nuts. It truly is a small world. Don't ask.
What does installing parts have to do with licensing?
The OS X EULA doesn't say anything to forbid replacing parts or upgrading. You can replace, upgrade, or swap out anything you can get your hands on inside that case. In the towers, that's usually a no-screwdriver task, too.
Maybe the stockholders should be given a file about the donor what with the potential of genetic memory influencing Jobs' decisions now. ;)
PM
This isn't your fucking business. Steve jobs is not Apple --- I don't care how silly you money hungry jerks get to feeling when you think he might be sick --- its not your fucking business. If you think your investment actually matters based on the health of a person, its probably not a good investment. Get over it and get out of the man's personal life.
And F' to your counter arguments based around MONEY. I don't care, and any sane person that isn't self interested (said 'greedy') would recognize that the man's privacy is much more valuable than all of Apple.
"Plus really, considering that Apple has plans to appoint a new CEO if Jobs dies, they have done all they need to for their shareholders."
Today's Wall Street Journal made the argument that it is in fact more important to hang onto the guy that's been running the shop in Jobs' absence. Tim Cook has now run Apple twice in Jobs' stead, and has impressed both times. Jobs will inevitably retire (or die) sooner rather than later, and there seems to be no doubt that they want to keep the captain's chair for Cook. While he was never given the "interim CEO" title, the Journal notes that he's pretty much done the CEO job this past year, including negotiations with AT&T on iPhone issues. He's already on Nike's board, and again, according to the same story, Motorola and Dell both tried to snatch him a year ago. Right now, he's making a pittance compared to Jobs, and under his watch, Apple's stock has gone up 60% since January. I agree with the Journal here, and I think Apple would be wise to cough up a lot of cash to keep this guy. Pretty much everyone agrees the guy is indispensable.
WSJ: Stand-In shines at Apple
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
It makes me wonder, will I automatically now get cancer in my pancreas when I use Apple products?
Given Apple's history when Jobs was not at the helm it's understandable that so many people would take an interest in his health. Again, given history, it's a safe bet Apple will do well while controlled by Jobs and will do quite poorly should he remove himself. Many people are aware of the past.
Personally I'm inclined to agree with you as I don't care about Apple, I should say, I don't like Apple for many of the same reasons I don't like Sony and have issues with Microsoft. Anti-competitive, litigious, and a pain to integrate. I'm not sure where the law stands on a publicly traded company when it comes to the health of it's board members though. Of course investors can do use any means to help themselves justify their investments so while Jobs may not be legally obligated to share the information it would have been a good idea as investors were being mislead. If management is changing the board is supposed to be notified and if his condition worsened and he actually died then investors may have had a valid claim that they were mislead. Of course that didn't happen and I'm sure he'll be fine and Apple will continue on like it has.
The powerful become powerful with the power of money. If you have the strong financial status then you will do whatever you want. HPV Treatment
A apple a day, doesn't keep the doctor away.
Slashdot. News for livers. Stuff that (hardly) matters.
As someone suggested, can we pay a little less attention to the health of Mr. Jobs and get along with ol'-skool tech news? Seriously, this is probably the third piece of article devoted to the health of the latter. No disrespect to the man at all, he's a proven tech guru and visionary, and I feel sorry for his health issues.. But still, do we need to get through the same pro-Jobs vs. anti-Apple narrative each and every time?
Slashdot has turned into a bastard offspring of a medical journal, a political propaganda rag, and Web 2.0 testing ground.
Perhaps the intention is to turn Slashdot in to a technological tabloid? Sad day..
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Frankly, I find all the "me too, I agree" comments in reply to the parent rather disturbing. Is this the same Slashdot that fiercely "defends" privacy and yet when a corporation publicly states their CEO is suffering from one ailment when it later surfaces that he had a liver transplant, all hell breaks loose and we all demand truth-telling? Honestly, guys, let's be reasonable here: Even CEOs deserve privacy--particularly of medical records. Would you want all of your medical history being released just because you happened to be on the board of a large corporation?
I didn't think so.
Imagine if it were Steve Ballmer. Why, everyone would be rejoicing! Either that or everyone would label him as easily replaceable and it wasn't any of the board's business. (Which I doubt. His chair-throwing prowess is without equal.)
For those of you claiming that Apple was out-right lying, I seriously call into question whether any of you have had or know someone who has suffered from an unusual and difficult to diagnose ailment. Sometimes the symptoms are all the doctors have to go by and for all we know, perhaps it really was a hormonal imbalance! Yes, it was most probably caused by his troubled liver, but there's no silver bullet in medicine for unusual circumstances. Given Jobs' previous battle with cancer, it's certainly no stretch to imagine that his doctor may not have immediately suspected a failing liver until other symptoms began to arise. Hence, what we have received in the past is true. His liver transplant is also true. We have never as a species ever been blessed with perfect knowledge--hell, science is based on what essentially amounts to partial knowledge which is then built upon by subsequent discoveries.
I'm glad people like you aren't in charge of privacy laws in this country. This stuff is seriously none of our business--shareholders or otherwise.
(Disclosure, I'm not an Apple fanboy, and the only Apple device I have ever owned is an iPod. Nevertheless, I feel it is important to defend Jobs' right to privacy.)
He who has no
What the hell happened to HIPAA ?!?
Here's the Guardian's take on the New York Times' reporting of the Wall Street Journal's story.
The world has changed and we all have become metal men.
Steve Jobs is another example of how wealth buys health and an easy life.
Yeah, cause being rich kept him from getting pancreatic cancer in the first place, right?
Oh, wait.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
This just proof my theory that too much apples are bad for the liver.
I dunno about everyone else but when I heard "hormonal imbalance", and Steve Jobs had dropped out of sight, I figured he was in big trouble.
;) ).
e.g. cancer or AIDS or something else as serious as that.
You don't announce a hormonal imbalance that's not serious that way (he couldn't even appear in public!). Well unless he was changing gender (either voluntarily or involuntarily
So if you would sell/buy Apple stock just because Jobs is very sick, you should have done it the day they said "hormonal imbalance". But most "investors" won't do that - they'll just wait for someone to start first.
It's just like when Alan Greenspan says "irrational exuberance". He's not going to come out and say "Uh everyone, sell! Sell! Sell!". That would be irresponsible and stupid of him.
You want the sheep to move in a particular direction, but not rush off the cliff together.
Still waiting to hear when Jobs gets a HEART transplant. ...wait, scratch that - I mean IMPLANT!
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well, we all have a right to everything equally... i'm not gonna get into the you have more money thing. i think jobs should sue the pants off the hospital who released this HIPAA info.
Yeah, and investors who would sell just because Jobs is really sick should have sold when they read this line:
:).
"During the past week I have learned that my health-related issues are more complex than I originally thought"
What else do you need? Especially after getting that "hormonal imbalance thing" and no public appearance of Jobs.
What do they want? Jobs to tell them "Hey stupid sheep, if you're going to sell, sell NOW!"?
On the bright side, that means there's money to be made
...slashdot was a tech news service, not a tabloid. Changing profile?
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What ever happened to hipaa?
Apple recently introduced a new exclusive product, the iDonor card. While more expensive than existing cards, its stylish design and unique branding ensured there was a queue of fanbois stretching round the block at every Apple store on the planet.
Home fucking is killing prostitution.
This is bullshit. Everyone knows that Jobs has AIDS. This is just a ploy by Apple executives and by extension apple fan boys to downplay the fact with someone that sound serious. Sure when Jobs does of AIDS you can just say he died of complications instead of saying the common cold killed him. I don't see what the big deal is, he liked to fuck men in the arse, which isn't any more dangerous than women but he just didn't wear the right protection. I guess in this day and age it is considered bad form to get AIDS. All I can say is he had a good run and I hope the years of buttsex paid off. BTW I love fucking trannies but I always used the proper precautions.
So can we get MacBooks with replaceable ibatteries please.
...6 months ago, Jobs offered Woz $3150 if he'd sell him his liver. Looks like Jobs finally got sick of waiting for Woz to "think about it".
If I have seen further it is by stealing the Intellectual Property of giants.
On the 5th of January it was announced he had a minor hormonal imbalance, on the 14th it was announced that things had become more complex and Jobs was taking extended leave with no elaboration given.
On the 5th the diagnosis was hormonal imbalance caused by nutritional issues, between then and the 14th that diagnosis changed. Everyone with more than 2 brain cells worked that out, they just weren't told until now exactly what had changed.
confidentially? Doesn't anybody proofread this stuff or do we just accept the INS (Idiocracy News Service)?
Steve Jobs isn't as productive as you imply. Put on a desert island on his own at the age of twenty, were we to visit him thirty years later, there would have been no computer, no Next Step, no Mac OS. You would be lucky to find a rudimentary hut to protect him from the elements... that's if he did not die from starvation in the first few weeks of his incarceration.
It takes a team to produce wealth, and a huge team of tens of thousands to produce huge wealth (and that's before we even get to consider the need for customers). The CEO becomes wealthy by taking a bigger share from the pot. It is open to debate whether that larger share is warranted.
Steve Jobs is a clever man, who has had some clever ideas, and I admire the way he has led the company, but if you think that we don't need postmen, labourers, bus drivers, bricklayers, road sweepers, shop assistants, hairdressers, nurses, teachers, cleaners, gardeners, cooks, bakers and plumbers just as much as this world needs Steve Jobs, or that none of those people work just as hard at their job as Steve does, then you are mistaken.
I like Steve Jobs and wish him well. Good for him, but on his own, he would be nothing - just like the rest of us.
What do they want? Jobs to tell them "Hey stupid sheep, if you're going to sell, sell NOW!"? On the bright side, that means there's money to be made :).
Gee, that would have been stupid: AAPL +52.78% since Jan 14th - ohh, you mean money to be made for smart people who buy.
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
This isn't your fucking business.
If it's not 'our business' then why did Apple make public pronouncements on it, which now look postively misleading? If it's private Apple should have said 'no comment'. It was their and Steve Job's partial and misleading statements that made this into a public/shareholder issue.
Rehab is for quitters
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
In my experience (I'm a doctor), almost all cancer patients go into denial and will downplay the severity of their symptoms. Steve Jobs is a billionaire, a tech guru, and all that, but he's also a human being. Based on what's publicly known, I'd say that his pancreatic islet cell cancer spread to his liver and that his liver tumour was non-resectable, and now he's ended up with a new liver by way of getting rid of the metastases. He describes his situation as a 'hormone imbalance' because that's one of the consequences of his condition, but the underlying diagnosis is far worse than that. Bottom line is that he's a very sick man... a cancer patient with a liver transplant has a limited life expectancy, and his role is now going to be figurehead/part time inputter of ideas more than being the day-to-day boss. Richard
He went to the head of the line and in return, they will recieve millions in donations - and name a building after him too. And every doctor, specialist, and nurse who royally attended to him hand and foot will never have to buy another Apple trinket again.
The man is a cancer survivor, and got a liver transplant. Why have I read in the media and on the forums and even here on the Slashdot rather inhumane, mean-spirited and sometimes even ill-conceived suppositions as to what happens to Apple if Mr. Jobs dies. I have not read not one, NOT ONE comment that would express concern and well wishes. So even though I am not a Mac user and I could care less about Apple or NeXT or all the "i*" products, I pray for speedy and good and painless recovery for Steve Jobs and many more wonderful and happy years in life.
In honor of Job's return, the geniuses at your local Apple store will be handing out complimentary jello shots to everyone (with purchase of a Macbook Air or other qualifying Apple product, see store for details)
Take the same generic stuff that we all already have, slap it in a trendy new case, and all of us sudden it's big news....
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
Things will never be completely fair, but the way to make them more fair is to help everyone become more rich and powerful. The only way that can happen is if everyone is more productive: imagine if everyone accomplished in their life things similar to what Steve Jobs has done.
Disclaimer: I am a conservative. So I recognize the above as a variation on "the free market cures all ills" and the conservative notion that more wealth will make all of society better.
It won't.
The reason is basic economics. If everyone were rich and powerful; if everyone could create cool things like Steve Jobs does, then being a CEO would pay minimum wage. Compared to the rest of the world, America is rich on a GDP basis. However, compared to the rest of the world on a quality of life basis, America does little better than some third world countries. Consider:
I went to college. I made the grade. But so did millions of others. Every three years, the US University system grants college degrees to the equivalent of the population of Chicago. These are the people with whom I compete for jobs. Even though my father was an unskilled laborer, he had far less competition and enjoyed a far greater standard of living than I do. Yes, we're all educated now. Did our education solve the problem of limited resources? No, it just allows us a greater understanding of economics, of why, after decade of career preparation, we are now worse off than our parents' generation.
Does the rising tide lift all boats? Sure, to some degree. I can afford gadgets that would have amazed my parents' generation. But yet, for all my education - for changing careers from programming to engineering to get a better salary; in spite of doubling my net worth in the last decade - I am still struggling to afford the basic necessities of life. It means little to be able to buy that killer laptop when I can't afford to put a roof over my head. This isn't an education problem; it isn't a problem of productivity. It is a problem of economics and of corporate greed.
In the 90's, the conservative harping about the loss of morality fell on deaf ears. Who cared if couples opted not to marry and have children? Who cared if corporations became greedy? (Greed was good, right?) Now we reap the harvest we've sown: corporate greed has reduced the effective wages to poverty level, and we're now finding that the economic boom dependent on an ever increasing consumer base is unsustainable, largely in part because the necessary consumers were never born.
I find myself in the oddest of paradoxes: I can afford whatever electronic toys I wish, yet cannot afford the basic necessities of family life.
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MOD PARENT UP!!
Thanks. In my opinion, that's the most sensible discussion of Steve Jobs' illness that I've seen.
Jobs has a great sense of design. It seems to me that he has also helped create a culture of abusiveness at Apple, and that there may be a connection between his abusiveness and his illness. See the comment, Deliberately dishonest?, and the comments added beneath that comment.
...Carrottop. In fact, he made it his life-long goal to make people happy.
Many clowns do that very thing too.
And let us not even go in to the realm of adult industry entertainers and workers.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Just click on "Change", underneath the story, without or with changing something, and the junk goes away.
But... What is Slashdot management thinking???
MOD PARENT UP!!
Thanks for bringing some logic into the conversation.
I did not think that third party upgrades were approved
Cut and paste operations are enabled in the newest version.
Pretty sure brain cancer gives headaches.
I am the lawn!
If it's private Apple should have said 'no comment'.
They did. Repeatedly. The press hounded them until they felt compelled to say something.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
He may not have been a great candidate for this, since the anti-rejection drugs may make it more likely he has additional cancer issues down the road.
I do suspect Jobs hasn't come to terms with his own mortality, and he has the money to try to stave off the inevitable. And that's fine - as long as he didn't end up with an organ that could have gone to someone with a better chance for a positive outcome.
I'd certainly vote Steve Jobs as the "most likely to end up as a Futurama-style Head in a Jar".
Wow, I'm surprised this hasn't made the mainstream news. When did Apple open/buy a hospital?
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The parent was noting the mis-wording... confidentially rather than confidentiality.
This piece has nothing to do with science.
According to the hospital press release. The score depends on how ill you are and how well the available organ matches. Steve probably had the advantage he could be on more center lists than the average patients due to access to transport.
Good luck, Steve. Get well.
So since Steve Jobs was placed on a shorter waiting list does that mean everyone in front of him who was an exact same match for the liver go before him?
Maybe because he is such a public figure that we judge the actions of his wealth. I guess since there are no other stories to compare to this expedient and miraculous transplant and his wonderfull recovery that we make him a pariah of what wealth can produce?
I can say with all honesty that I am only jealous of the fact he was able to get on the list (Which we don't know how long he was on it)while a good friend of mine floundered in the system of Red tape and died before she got hers.
"He who has the gold makes the rules"
OPTN Statement Regarding Liver Transplant Waiting Times and Allocation: http://www.unos.org/news/newsDetail.asp?id=1265 Release Date: 06/24/2009
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
Jobs, who returned to work Apple's campus...
The Jobs-meister, working the campus!
FYI, TFA has the word "at" inserted in that sentence.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
I thought you couldn't upgrade apple products; you just threw them out and bought a new one...
Steve Jobs 4G! Now with more gigs of brain and DRM!
How many people screaming about how unfair and silly this is would have been on the other side of the fence if this had happened to Gates back in the day? If I were a shareholder, I wouldn't care what company it was- concealing a freaking liver transplant of the highly charismatic lead of the company seems like a pretty big deal.
---Vote None of the Above---
By the way, if we allowed payment for the sale of organs, there would be a lot more of them available and a lot fewer people dying due to lack of organs!
Here is a link to the case for selling human organs.
And F' to your counter arguments based around MONEY. I don't care, and any sane person that isn't self interested (said 'greedy') would recognize that the man's privacy is much more valuable than all of Apple.
What does that even mean? Jobs should be able to run the company into the ground rather than step down or disclose his health problems? Not that that's what happened here, but this is the sort of overinflated rhetoric that prevents us from having rational discussions about these subjects. No, my privacy is not infinitely valuable, and neither is my life.
How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
Especially when one willingly steps into the public spotlight. There's a difference between public figures such as Jobs and someone like me. I can keep these type of secrets without repurcussions because people's livelihoods are not on the line. Jobs is different, he took a public role willingly. He needs to communicate with people that he effects, everyone else he can give the shine.
For instance, if the President of the US is sick, do US citizens deserve to know? Yes of course because it effects them. Details can be vague, but he/she must at least be honest with the citizens. Downplaying the issue is most likely not a good idea. The reality comes out and then it appears dishonest. It's called the "whole truth" for a reason.
I've no clue if that's how it works, I've never gotten mod points on this site but metamoderate all the time.
You really never get mod points? That's astonishing. What is your karma level?
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So there's nothing like "Full Disclosure" or anything to force them too? Interesting. That's why I said I didn't know how it worked and wondered if Apple had done anything wrong.
that he is so important that he gets newscoverage because of a liver transplant , and even more, no matter who he is. Does he WANT that attention ?
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
I'm actually impressed by the trollishness of your post. And you managed to fool the moderators! You are quite the master troll. Let's take a look at your post:
Just because you are jealous of someone elses assets and position in life doesn't mean your life sucks, it just means your perspective sucks and you're a whiney little bitch.
Ah, the hook. Infer jealousy and call someone names in the first paragraph. Normally, this would be a sure sign that you're a troll, but you managed to do it with such elegance that you fooled the moderators. Good job! I'd give you +2 for overgeneralization and stupid platitudes. You deftly transformed the GP's concern for his family into a matter of jealousy and whining. A good turn, perhaps not as subtle as it could have been, but good nonetheless.
No Americans life is hard...
Now this is a little disappointing. You pull out the straw man, "You wouldn't be comparing yourself to someone with real issues..." instead of going for the throat. You could have gone on for a bit longer, and perhaps suggested that the GP had never worked a day in his life, never had to suffer loss like ${FAMOUS DEAD PERSON}, never had to overcome obstacles like [Normandy|Bataan|Auschwitz|Paralysis|Blindness| etc...], but you didn't. I must admit, I'm rather disappointed, and somewhat confused that you forfeited this paragraph. So it's -1 for this bit, and perhaps you can do better later.
Your father enjoyed a better life because he had perspective, which you do not
Okay, so you're starting to recover. Again, the name calling. This is classic troll, not a lot of originality here. I must say, you started off good, and then faltered - next time, try using an implication of something undesirable, rather than an outright attack.
Try managing your money better...
Now you're really getting going here. You've deftly obscured the argument here - you've transformed an argument about economic conditions into one about money management, personal character, and managed to blame the victim, all in one paragraph. This is truly a work of art - it requires a certain ignorance of the world to get this part of a troll correct. To keep creating work like this, you're going to have to avoid anything, however slight, that suggests the world is more complicated than a set of over-generalized, good-sounding platitudes. For reducing an otherwise intellectual argument to a mundane question of the personal fitness of the poster, I grant you +5. Truly remarkable.
STOP BUYING...
Now this part is required for every troll. You suggest the solution to the problem is so simple that only a moron could have missed it. I'm personally not impressed by this; you didn't execute it well (CAPS? - what were you thinking?!), and there's nothing particularly spectacular about it. Yes, it contains the implications of incompetence, and the inevitable name calling, but is otherwise lackluster in execution. Experienced trolls would scoff as such a poorly executed invective. -1, bad form.
The problem here is you, sorry.
Gah! What was that?! You had such a good troll going, and then you blew it! There's no subtlety here. It's plain as day you're just trolling. Seriously, spend some time with the masters. Learn the Apple troll. No, wait - that's too advanced for you. Go with the Steven King is Dead troll, and start from there. Be patient. Let the feelings flow. But - learn self control; learn subtlety. S-U-B-T-L-E-T-Y. -10, giving up without a fight. You're 13 down by now.
You finally grew up and had to start dealing with responsibility...
And the recovery is slow, and painful. At this point, your best bet is to convince the reader that you are really sincere. You go on like this for a few more paragraphs, a few more straw men, a few more conflations. After this point, you're about even. And then:
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The society for a thought-free internet welcomes you.
I pay about a dollar to go to the doctor. Any doctor of my choice. Emergency procedures are covered at 100%, and our doctors are damned good. With my third-party private insurance that covers extras not covered by government insurance, I also get 100% free dental and eye coverage. I can get a free pair of eyeglasses every single year (so long as I have a prescription for them, and getting that prescription is free).
What is this non-mythical first-world country I live in?! Why, it's France!
Sure, life isn't fair. But sitting there barking "life isn't fair! get over it!" is pretty damned lazy when it IS possible to do something to help make it more fair. No one decides "oh hey, I think I'd like to get breast cancer today" or "damn! I'm so happy that guy ran a red light and turned me into a quadraplegic!" So why the hell should their lives be ruined, when all it takes is everyone pooling a bit of money? For eff's sake, I only pay 80 euros a month towards national health care and 20 a month for the private insurance. One hundred euros a month. That's it. And I get to choose my doctors, my hospitals, my laboratories, everything.
As for the inevitable cries of "omg socialism!!" Americans (I am one, so don't anyone take it the wrong way) seriously need to grow up and realize that in the case of European democracies, they are, um, you know, DEMOCRACIES. As in the people voted for governments that set up these programs, and continue to vote for them.
...Michael Dell was found today at a Memphis hotel in a bathtub full of ice with strange incisions on his body.
>If we were all just as productive ... We might have green coal plants
I don't know about you, but I was kind of expecting the fusion guys in the 1980s to have developed
workable fusion power plants by now.
I guess 'Back to the Future' wasn't inspirational enough.
>>You like OS X and Cocoa?
>>That was the kind of platform that Xerox PARC had developed in the 1970's,
>>only what PARC had was even easier to develop for and better integrated.
>Troll please. I'm not even reading the rest of this comment.
That's a shame, because the new generations keep repeating the mistakes of the old. If re-use was really happening, how many versions of Unix would we need?
As Santyana said: "'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
$5,000 for a normal delivery? Kinda crazy.
We paid $10 for our first baby (1990): $10 was the office visit copay for the first office visit to the OB/GYN).
We belonged to a non-profit HMO that had two clauses in their provider contracts:
1) Capitated claims payment - our copay was for an "episode of care", we paid monthly premiums, but
we weren't nickle and dimed for ancillary providers who we never saw.
2) Providers were not permitted to send us a bill, since the premium + copay was divided up among providers based on their participation in our care. We never got a bill, except for the time Cincinnati Children's Hospital lost their minds and sent us a bill for $0.01 in late 1997.
If the 'public option' for healthcare reform isn't set up this way, then there's no reason you couldn't set up non-profits in each state to re-form networks of HMOs again. The HMO we belonged to was acquired by a for-profit firm in 1997, and things fell apart at that point.
He's worked hard and he's added a lot to society. If we tried to cut him down so things were more fair, then it would be a loss to all of us.
Yeah, but all I want is to be able to replace the battery in my iPod myself.
It's not liking am asking to do my own liver surgery....