Maybe we are approaching the parallelization thing in a wrong way.
How about instead of adding more cores, we add more duplicate components to the MoBo? Such that we can access 2 or more I/O operations per cycle, etc.
I mean, right now we have systems with multiple cores, multiple video cards, multiple hard drives, multiple various other stuff. Why not multiple north/southbridges, and other things I'm not aware of modern-day MoBos?
How difficult it is to scale down the solutions used for parallelization by big data-centers to a consumer-grade single system? I honestly have no idea, but maybe it's something worth researching. No?
Agreed. Most of the music I listen to are 128-196 MP3's over some nice quality monitor-like speakers and Sennheiser headphones, and when hearing the same music but from vinyl instead the difference is clear on both speakers. Vinyl is much much better. At least with all the electronic music I've ever heard it's the same.
1) You are not really good playing those games, or
2) Have not seen the really really really good guys play before.
The pro players can queue a *lot* of orders, buildings, units and still know where they should attack/defend, etc, in half the time it would take for you to say one order AND the computer to process it correctly 97% of the time (pro players rarely click where they are not supposed to, and if they do it's correctable very fast).
Almost certainly in terms of produced cars versus sold cars. The Carrera GT will have a 99.9% selling rate, while the Fiesta won't. That's the problem with figures. It depends on the relation between what the figures represent, not just the number.
Kind of. The monopoly is no longer a complete monopoly in terms of market share. A lot of the infrastructure used by some competitors actually belong to Telmex but has to, by law (iirc), rent them at reasonable prices.
I have no idea exactly what kind of arrangement was negotiated for them to rent their infrastructure, but it's obvious that they didn't get the worst end of the deal.
On the other hand, now with triple-play products being offered by cable companies, you have access to a VoIP based phone line, 1Mbps Internet and basic cable service (think around 20 channels with 5 or 6 garbage ones) for around 40 USD with much cheaper phone rates...The problem is, customer service and reliability is very bad. Imagine losing your Internet connection when it rained heavily (which in some places, like the place I used to live, was pretty often), unplayable packet loss in games like Quake3 (think 80% PL), Bit Torrent speeds never over 10-20k on 1Mbps, cost for 2Mbps and up prohibitive in price (over 80-90USD for 2Mbps) etc etc.
That's why I say it is a monopoly of sorts. Also, things don't seem to be changing soon except for lower prices and crappier service for both sides...zomg
I never thought someone on/. would understand this thing. The country where I live in, Mexico, has had this phenomenon for years. A lot of low-income people buying cellphones seemed crazy at first, but after some reflection it looks obvious that the cost/benefit ratio is pretty good.
People that have very little money to spend/invest actually tend to make much more conscious choices when it comes to using that very rare resource. You may think that they stay poor because of bad financial management, and while true in a lot of cases, the majority stay poor because of other *million* different factors which don't come into discussion.
I really wish you would try to live a single day with 8 USD. That's *twice* the daily minimum wage here. I'm not kidding. Granted, some things are cheaper than in the States (think fruit, vegetables), but overall, how can you afford a land-line with such rates? The cheapest land-lines cost around 30USD a month. Including a 100 local calls limit (extras are payed at 0.10 USD a call), national long-distance runs at about 0.25 *a minute*. 1Mbps Internet is 20USD minimum shooting to about 200-300 for a 4Mbps (that's asymetrical, i.e. 1/256 and 4/1 up/down). And a long etcetera.
The thing about cellphones being bought by low-income people is because of the prepaid card options. A lot of friends and people I know love the way they can limit their phone expenditures. You buy a 10USD card and it *has* to last for a whole month. If it doesn't, then you have to manage without making calls but you can stay 3 months without buying a single card and still keep the number and be reachable. That's something you have no idea how it's valued down here at least.
Did anyone else think about M.C. Escher after reading this post?
I'm not going to argue about the technical accuracy as certainly everyone has different sources. What I want to say is, the post created an impressive image in my brain about P2P peers downloading things from each other in the same fashion as Waterfall - 1961. This way, like the parent says, everyone is always downloading, i.e. the water is always going down. Endlessly.
I agree totally. In the article, not *once* they mention if there would be charges or sentence for the violence. It's obviously bad enough that this kids stole something (vritual or not), but I would think that the important part was the violent one.
Does anyone know how many kids are bullied in schools everywhere by someone, so they can get their epic ultra-leet items? and getting away with it?
I have no idea about the latter, but it's sure as hell not anywhere near 0%. So stealing virtual items it's not really news, but doing it with so much violence.
The problem, me thinks, it's not really the sentences, but who and when they are applied. That's called judiciary guarantee. Meaning that, it doesn't matter what the punishment is, it's not gonna be of any use if there's no one to apply it reliably. I'm used to it down here in Mexico, where we have a 70 year sentence for kidnappers...and guess how many of them actually serve that much time?
There are so many legal loopholes, corruption, etc, that there's no point in making harsher punishments if none of them are ever applied.
I'm guessing in the US, although corruption is different that here, must be suffering from the same phenomenon. What good is it to hang every spammer, if they have lots of money to buy their freedom, or to buy out super lawyers that can get you out on a technicality?
I know a lot of people would be interested in trying this at home. Could you provide a tutorial for setting this thing up? I bet even a simple one would suffice. I'm already cloning the git repository but after that I have no idea what to do. Is it an image I burn and install as a regular distro or I have to recompile the kernel with some extra stuff?
It would be really nice to poke and play with it at home;) Thanks
I'm not bashing you or anything, but I stopped doing that same thing some years ago when I thought that maybe the amount of resources saved by turning my computer off had much greater impact than a very very long-term goal like those you list.
The thing is, even when you are indeed helping solve whatever problem you choose to participate in, in reality the design of those projects is to take advantage of the unused cycles of a PC while doing its "regular" scheduled work. That is, to maximize the usage of the PC.
By leaving your computer on only because of the @home projects you are doing the opposite, ie. not maximixing PC usage, because you are indeed "creating unused cycles" for idle time work. I see it like trying to maximize the electricity use at home by running a garbage-burning generator (just for the sake of the example), and then "creating" garbage on purpose just to "take advantage" of it. That's not really what the original intent of the generator was and thus is not maximizing anything.
Of course in the end it's your choice, just maybe something you could think about from a different perspective.
Maybe you are right on the rejections by Nintendo and how no one complains about it, but, as far as I know, I've never seen news about how they are rejecting games that compete with Mario Bros, since that's one of their flagship products.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nintendo has said in the past that they reserve the right to license new games only because they don't want to have low-quality games or not-for-children ones running wildly on the console market. I'm not saying EVERY game for a Nintendo console is great, but then again, I'm not the one making the quality policies over there.
Imagine the uproar of videogamers if, say, a game developer was rejected for trying to develop a Nintendo-console game that portrayed a male character and was platform based...
Nevertheless, I concede that I have no idea if we've never heard of this because they've had NDAs since the begining of their videogames operation.
Call me silly, but I think that's a colateral effect that's gotta be positive for the military guys. I mean, if nowadays you can get away with lots of stuff not permitted by military law, even when someone has to *actually* do whatever is illegal, imagine how easy its going to become later on.
Really, you can establish any number of rules and regulations to try to hold someone accountable if shit happens, but how many lawyers will be able to convice the jury that it was a "computer bug", something not forseen by the engineers, erc...I can even imagine some sleazy lawyer saying "CouldnÂt it be that this robot displayed a spark of volition and tried to defend itself? Are you willing to send someone to jail for murder one on behalf of some machine that, as far as we know, could have triggered the gun by itself?"
Maybe AL can clear this up. I don't think prior art would apply because Sealand never actually became a datacenter per se.
The Principality of Sealand is the micro country that houses HavenCo.. I think Google's idea is different, starting with the energy system. Besides, I hardly think this
quallifies as a data center. Even if nowadays is completely restored and operational I just can't find that much similarities among them.
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"South Korea, Japan, India, Mexico and Brazil, all strong democracies"
Mexico a strong democracy? Uhhh...no..
Someone has been sniffing glue...cheap glue.
Maybe we are approaching the parallelization thing in a wrong way.
How about instead of adding more cores, we add more duplicate components to the MoBo? Such that we can access 2 or more I/O operations per cycle, etc.
I mean, right now we have systems with multiple cores, multiple video cards, multiple hard drives, multiple various other stuff. Why not multiple north/southbridges, and other things I'm not aware of modern-day MoBos?
How difficult it is to scale down the solutions used for parallelization by big data-centers to a consumer-grade single system? I honestly have no idea, but maybe it's something worth researching. No?
Isn't there a saying that goes
... Kill a man and you will be called a murderer. Kill a million and you will be called a hero.
??
Substitute for money..and there you go. No?
Or...
1 cubic meter of water = 1,000 kilograms..
Yes..that's a lot..
But the question is...can you convert to LOC's units?
Agreed. Most of the music I listen to are 128-196 MP3's over some nice quality monitor-like speakers and Sennheiser headphones, and when hearing the same music but from vinyl instead the difference is clear on both speakers.
Vinyl is much much better. At least with all the electronic music I've ever heard it's the same.
Without trying to bash you, either:
1) You are not really good playing those games, or
2) Have not seen the really really really good guys play before.
The pro players can queue a *lot* of orders, buildings, units and still know where they should attack/defend, etc, in half the time it would take for you to say one order AND the computer to process it correctly 97% of the time (pro players rarely click where they are not supposed to, and if they do it's correctable very fast).
"The little boat...flipped over." - Mr. The Plague
OpenOffice 2.4.1 on my Ubuntu 8.04 machine, when putting =GAME("Star Wars") in any cell actually displays the text "say what?".
I guess someone actually removed it after all.
Point well taken.
How about sending this stuff to the Sun? I'm not joking. Not now of course, but how about when launching things to space becomes cheaper?
We can store it here in the meanwhile, but why not send it to a place where there would be absolutely no harm done?
If you don't agree, please explain why not. I would really be interested in the drawbacks of doing this sort of stuff.
You just get swoooshed. :)
Since IE is such an integral part of Windows, I believe they will just delete the shortcut to it and add the one for the "new" browser.
;)
Why would you make a fundamental change when you can just keep bloating the software?
Almost certainly in terms of produced cars versus sold cars. The Carrera GT will have a 99.9% selling rate, while the Fiesta won't. That's the problem with figures. It depends on the relation between what the figures represent, not just the number.
Kind of. The monopoly is no longer a complete monopoly in terms of market share. A lot of the infrastructure used by some competitors actually belong to Telmex but has to, by law (iirc), rent them at reasonable prices.
I have no idea exactly what kind of arrangement was negotiated for them to rent their infrastructure, but it's obvious that they didn't get the worst end of the deal.
On the other hand, now with triple-play products being offered by cable companies, you have access to a VoIP based phone line, 1Mbps Internet and basic cable service (think around 20 channels with 5 or 6 garbage ones) for around 40 USD with much cheaper phone rates...The problem is, customer service and reliability is very bad. Imagine losing your Internet connection when it rained heavily (which in some places, like the place I used to live, was pretty often), unplayable packet loss in games like Quake3 (think 80% PL), Bit Torrent speeds never over 10-20k on 1Mbps, cost for 2Mbps and up prohibitive in price (over 80-90USD for 2Mbps) etc etc.
That's why I say it is a monopoly of sorts. Also, things don't seem to be changing soon except for lower prices and crappier service for both sides...zomg
I never thought someone on /. would understand this thing. The country where I live in, Mexico, has had this phenomenon for years. A lot of low-income people buying cellphones seemed crazy at first, but after some reflection it looks obvious that the cost/benefit ratio is pretty good.
People that have very little money to spend/invest actually tend to make much more conscious choices when it comes to using that very rare resource. You may think that they stay poor because of bad financial management, and while true in a lot of cases, the majority stay poor because of other *million* different factors which don't come into discussion.
I really wish you would try to live a single day with 8 USD. That's *twice* the daily minimum wage here. I'm not kidding. Granted, some things are cheaper than in the States (think fruit, vegetables), but overall, how can you afford a land-line with such rates? The cheapest land-lines cost around 30USD a month. Including a 100 local calls limit (extras are payed at 0.10 USD a call), national long-distance runs at about 0.25 *a minute*. 1Mbps Internet is 20USD minimum shooting to about 200-300 for a 4Mbps (that's asymetrical, i.e. 1/256 and 4/1 up/down). And a long etcetera.
The thing about cellphones being bought by low-income people is because of the prepaid card options. A lot of friends and people I know love the way they can limit their phone expenditures. You buy a 10USD card and it *has* to last for a whole month. If it doesn't, then you have to manage without making calls but you can stay 3 months without buying a single card and still keep the number and be reachable. That's something you have no idea how it's valued down here at least.
Did anyone else think about M.C. Escher after reading this post?
I'm not going to argue about the technical accuracy as certainly everyone has different sources. What I want to say is, the post created an impressive image in my brain about P2P peers downloading things from each other in the same fashion as Waterfall - 1961. This way, like the parent says, everyone is always downloading, i.e. the water is always going down. Endlessly.
I agree totally. In the article, not *once* they mention if there would be charges or sentence for the violence. It's obviously bad enough that this kids stole something (vritual or not), but I would think that the important part was the violent one.
Does anyone know how many kids are bullied in schools everywhere by someone, so they can get their epic ultra-leet items? and getting away with it?
I have no idea about the latter, but it's sure as hell not anywhere near 0%. So stealing virtual items it's not really news, but doing it with so much violence.
The problem, me thinks, it's not really the sentences, but who and when they are applied. That's called judiciary guarantee. Meaning that, it doesn't matter what the punishment is, it's not gonna be of any use if there's no one to apply it reliably. I'm used to it down here in Mexico, where we have a 70 year sentence for kidnappers...and guess how many of them actually serve that much time?
There are so many legal loopholes, corruption, etc, that there's no point in making harsher punishments if none of them are ever applied.
I'm guessing in the US, although corruption is different that here, must be suffering from the same phenomenon. What good is it to hang every spammer, if they have lots of money to buy their freedom, or to buy out super lawyers that can get you out on a technicality?
I know a lot of people would be interested in trying this at home. Could you provide a tutorial for setting this thing up? I bet even a simple one would suffice. I'm already cloning the git repository but after that I have no idea what to do. Is it an image I burn and install as a regular distro or I have to recompile the kernel with some extra stuff?
;) Thanks
It would be really nice to poke and play with it at home
I'm not bashing you or anything, but I stopped doing that same thing some years ago when I thought that maybe the amount of resources saved by turning my computer off had much greater impact than a very very long-term goal like those you list.
The thing is, even when you are indeed helping solve whatever problem you choose to participate in, in reality the design of those projects is to take advantage of the unused cycles of a PC while doing its "regular" scheduled work. That is, to maximize the usage of the PC.
By leaving your computer on only because of the @home projects you are doing the opposite, ie. not maximixing PC usage, because you are indeed "creating unused cycles" for idle time work. I see it like trying to maximize the electricity use at home by running a garbage-burning generator (just for the sake of the example), and then "creating" garbage on purpose just to "take advantage" of it. That's not really what the original intent of the generator was and thus is not maximizing anything.
Of course in the end it's your choice, just maybe something you could think about from a different perspective.
Maybe you are right on the rejections by Nintendo and how no one complains about it, but, as far as I know, I've never seen news about how they are rejecting games that compete with Mario Bros, since that's one of their flagship products.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nintendo has said in the past that they reserve the right to license new games only because they don't want to have low-quality games or not-for-children ones running wildly on the console market. I'm not saying EVERY game for a Nintendo console is great, but then again, I'm not the one making the quality policies over there.
Imagine the uproar of videogamers if, say, a game developer was rejected for trying to develop a Nintendo-console game that portrayed a male character and was platform based...
Nevertheless, I concede that I have no idea if we've never heard of this because they've had NDAs since the begining of their videogames operation.
Call me silly, but I think that's a colateral effect that's gotta be positive for the military guys. I mean, if nowadays you can get away with lots of stuff not permitted by military law, even when someone has to *actually* do whatever is illegal, imagine how easy its going to become later on.
Really, you can establish any number of rules and regulations to try to hold someone accountable if shit happens, but how many lawyers will be able to convice the jury that it was a "computer bug", something not forseen by the engineers, erc...I can even imagine some sleazy lawyer saying "CouldnÂt it be that this robot displayed a spark of volition and tried to defend itself? Are you willing to send someone to jail for murder one on behalf of some machine that, as far as we know, could have triggered the gun by itself?"
The problem is...
"Dog don't eat dog"
Maybe AL can clear this up. I don't think prior art would apply because Sealand never actually became a datacenter per se.
The Principality of Sealand is the micro country that houses HavenCo.. I think Google's idea is different, starting with the energy system. Besides, I hardly think this quallifies as a data center. Even if nowadays is completely restored and operational I just can't find that much similarities among them.
Well, you could always put some sort of "cover" to this laser beam, such that no spider can get in front of it.
:)
Right?