"Death is as natural as life itself is. It is an eventuality. One can either go out on one's own terms, or one can sap the Estate for all that its worth as the State sucks it all in to maintain "healthfulness" at everyone's (including the patient) detriment."
Great post, you summed that up well.
Whatever you do don't blame yourself for someone else's suicide.
I have been haunted by the suicide of my closest friend for 25 years. Same method too. It is always easy to see the signs after the fact, but virtually impossible in some cases beforehand.
Another of my closest friends died of breast cancer (Metastisised) at 32 a few years ago. When she knew the end was near she went out and partied real hard, and died 2 days later. At least she went out how she lived with great spirit-and the best illegal drugs!
If she had stayed in Hospital she could have probably lived for another month at most, and we her friends would have had to watch her die slowly and painfully. Her bravery in not allowing her friends to suffer with her for a month was incredibly moving.
Despite all your baseless accusations and so called figures, which are laughably inaccurate, public health care is excellent in a lot of the places you mention.
You totally ignore the huge insurance permiums charged in the US and the fact that HMO accountants get to decide whether or not you get treated.
Speaking purley for Australia, the case you cited above would be allowed to have private tests at considerably less cost than the $400 you claim the patient would pay under your wonderful system. Anyone can join a private fund or choose to pay for the treatment themselves. There is no rule against paying and being treated privately in any of the countries you mention, so I fail to see whay your anecdotal friend could not have done so. It seems you ignore this option to advance your anti health care agenda.
Still, it gives the rest of us a good laugh to see how backward the US is in respect to health care, and most areas of social policy.
Your claim of 100% recovery rate from prostate cancer shows how truly deluded you are.
When your so called facts are corrected it seems you just parrot another Fox news lie, rather than presenting any facts or adressing the replies which point out your errors.
A very good friend committed to suicide due to depression some 20 years ago at 25 years old, for almost exactly that reason, he wrote he could not break what he called "the circle".
He was an whiz programmer, worked for defense dept as a research scientist.
I will never forget his first PC. All hand built, including keyboard of individual switches hard wired and a wooden case. Wrote his own OS in machine code at 17. Of course nobody had even heard of a mouse back then.
He would have loved Slashdot
Great musician too, such a loss.
I can relate to this quote from X05633511 post above.
"Not every depressed person drifts to suicide. Some of us just become miserable cynical bastards."
Long in the past when telecommunicatios was a govt monoploy here, many people complained about Telecom workers sitting arounf at times doing nothing. At that stage 90% of repairs in the counrty areas took less than 24 hours.
So we privatised. No one sits around now, and the waiting time is now more than 5 days for repairs.
Every time I hear someone bitching about govt workers this comes to mind.
If kept unpowered and cool capacitors should not be a problem. There was a period when large batches of faulty electros were made and used in motherboards, which lead to high failiure rates.
That issue is largely resolved now.
A more important issue may be the "Whisker growing" which occours in devices made from lead free solder.
I have seen guitar amps with electrolytic capacitors more than 40 years old and still fine.
When the published statistics say between 15 and 20% of people use drugs, your claims are insane.
Thats 1 in 5 people, so if you know only 4 people than maybe they dont use drugs. It seems highly unlikely that with your attitude, antone would dicuss their drug habits with you.
BTW you see that key next to the Z- It makes capital letters.
If you believe what you read on Wikipedia, I have a bridge you might like to buy-cheap too. To then quote the Daily mail clearly shows you do not have a clue about the veracity or bias of your sources.
The F22 was made purely with private funding, not paid for by the US govt eh?
Crap, the govt paid.
"Of course the individual can do everything better than the state."
*WHOOSH* For your benefit, this was sarcasm, foolishly I assumed you would be intelligent enough to understand that. Sorry, I wont assume any intelligence on your part in future.
As they say sarcasm is wasted on those to stupid to understand it.
Stinging tree story, See bridge above.
I am well aware that you do not have public health care in the US, as I am equally aware that 40 million US citizens have no health care, and can be and are thrown out on the streets from hospitals to die. How do they have the highest survival rates?
You really swallowed the lies about public health care didnt you?
And as for your amusing attempt at trying to cast Bush as left wing, I thought he was a member of the Republican party, those silly right wing neanderthals certainly supported him by voting regularly for his legislation in congress did they not?
Are you saying the republican support socialism?
Wikipedia in my opinion is useless as a reference for any definitions. Use a decent dictionaryy and the story is different to that presented in your link. You can stamp your little feet and throw insults as much as you like but thats the way it is.
As for public utilities, I can only go by my own experiences, where electricity rose 30% when privatised, repairs for telephones in country areas went from 90% within 24 hours to 90% within 2 weeks. No conjecture, actual experience, and accounts to show it.
I have never heard of any AU citizen being refused treatment or drugs at a hospital on a cost basis under the Medicare and PBS.
Even the poorest get excellent treatment for any ailment-not just life threatening ones as is the rule in the US.
What gives you the idea you can comment on a system about which you are so obviously ignorant.
Your paranoia and complete lack of understanding of socialism is amusing to say the least.
Better go get some medication for it.
Try and do something about that naivete of yours too.
Was there some part of "in any other country" that was not clear.
The poster I was replying to wrote;
"he is the classic 60's derivative Marxist Socialist"
By any sensible standards-even US ones-he is not.
Quoting wikipedia does your case little to no good really. A credible source would be better. (-:
Was not the previous US adminstration the most statist in living memory, you remember Bush don't you? I thought he was a bit right wing what?
Of course the individual can do everything better than the state.
Chusk Norris could have won WW2 all by himself.
I just designed a better fighter than the F22 Raptor on the back of an envelope.
In just a few minutes I could have saved the allies heaps of effort and resources by doing the entire Manhattan project in my kitchen.
If I am bored tommorow I might send someone to the moon. (-:
Some things are naturally better done collectively.
In every case here (.au) of a public utility (Water, sanitation, gas, communications, electricity) we have ended up worse off in terms of both price and quality of service after handing them to be run privately.
Most of the rest of the western world has decent public health administered by the govt.
I miss token ring you know, one of the great pleasures in life was to tell the boss/customer we had lost the token, and ask him to look around his office for it........
Ah AC troll, you really have no idea of what a socialist is. Obama in any other country would be in the mid range of right wing. Nowhere near socialist.
If you had any courage in your convictions you would post logged in and accept yuour karma hit.
They were one of the few groups of artists who showed any integrity or courage at all.
The bulk of the music industry was cowardly in the extreme in not protesting a war (Iraq) that anyone in the world should have known was based on false pretences. (At the time surveys showed 75% of the worlds population was against the war in Iraq)
I remember thinking that John Lennon would have been spinning in his grave at craven cowardice shown by most artists.
At least the Presidents stood up, with the excellent American Ididot.
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"Death is as natural as life itself is. It is an eventuality. One can either go out on one's own terms, or one can sap the Estate for all that its worth as the State sucks it all in to maintain "healthfulness" at everyone's (including the patient) detriment."
Great post, you summed that up well.
Whatever you do don't blame yourself for someone else's suicide.
I have been haunted by the suicide of my closest friend for 25 years. Same method too. It is always easy to see the signs after the fact, but virtually impossible in some cases beforehand.
Another of my closest friends died of breast cancer (Metastisised) at 32 a few years ago. When she knew the end was near she went out and partied real hard, and died 2 days later. At least she went out how she lived with great spirit-and the best illegal drugs!
If she had stayed in Hospital she could have probably lived for another month at most, and we her friends would have had to watch her die slowly and painfully. Her bravery in not allowing her friends to suffer with her for a month was incredibly moving.
"My sister likes to watch The Ellen DeGeneres Show,"
Your sister eh? Sure.......
Despite all your baseless accusations and so called figures, which are laughably inaccurate, public health care is excellent in a lot of the places you mention.
You totally ignore the huge insurance permiums charged in the US and the fact that HMO accountants get to decide whether or not you get treated.
Speaking purley for Australia, the case you cited above would be allowed to have private tests at considerably less cost than the $400 you claim the patient would pay under your wonderful system. Anyone can join a private fund or choose to pay for the treatment themselves. There is no rule against paying and being treated privately in any of the countries you mention, so I fail to see whay your anecdotal friend could not have done so. It seems you ignore this option to advance your anti health care agenda.
Still, it gives the rest of us a good laugh to see how backward the US is in respect to health care, and most areas of social policy.
Your claim of 100% recovery rate from prostate cancer shows how truly deluded you are.
When your so called facts are corrected it seems you just parrot another Fox news lie, rather than presenting any facts or adressing the replies which point out your errors.
A very good friend committed to suicide due to depression some 20 years ago at 25 years old, for almost exactly that reason, he wrote he could not break what he called "the circle".
He was an whiz programmer, worked for defense dept as a research scientist.
I will never forget his first PC. All hand built, including keyboard of individual switches hard wired and a wooden case. Wrote his own OS in machine code at 17. Of course nobody had even heard of a mouse back then.
He would have loved Slashdot
Great musician too, such a loss.
I can relate to this quote from X05633511 post above.
"Not every depressed person drifts to suicide. Some of us just become miserable cynical bastards."
(-;
My sedan car, with occcasional use of a tralier does all the things you mention easily, has better brakes handling and economy than an SUV.
Long in the past when telecommunicatios was a govt monoploy here, many people complained about Telecom workers sitting arounf at times doing nothing. At that stage 90% of repairs in the counrty areas took less than 24 hours.
So we privatised. No one sits around now, and the waiting time is now more than 5 days for repairs.
Every time I hear someone bitching about govt workers this comes to mind.
That would be "identity copyright breach" wouldn't it?
(-:
Users are their own worst enemy
Quite so. I dont know where I read it but the quote below sums it up nicely.
The average user wouldn't know a security issue if it was parading down the main street naked carrying a large sign saying "I am a security issue"
If kept unpowered and cool capacitors should not be a problem. There was a period when large batches of faulty electros were made and used in motherboards, which lead to high failiure rates.
That issue is largely resolved now.
A more important issue may be the "Whisker growing" which occours in devices made from lead free solder.
I have seen guitar amps with electrolytic capacitors more than 40 years old and still fine.
*Whooooosh*
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI
You say that like you know what you are talking about.
Some time ago I bought some hemp jeans, They were at least as comfortable, if not more so than cotton.
They lasted (5 Years) at least 10 times longer than cotton jeans do. If they became available again I would never buy cotton again.
You are right in one way, there would be no competition, cotton would not have a chance.
When the published statistics say between 15 and 20% of people use drugs, your claims are insane.
Thats 1 in 5 people, so if you know only 4 people than maybe they dont use drugs. It seems highly unlikely that with your attitude, antone would dicuss their drug habits with you.
BTW you see that key next to the Z- It makes capital letters.
If you believe what you read on Wikipedia, I have a bridge you might like to buy-cheap too. To then quote the Daily mail clearly shows you do not have a clue about the veracity or bias of your sources.
The F22 was made purely with private funding, not paid for by the US govt eh?
Crap, the govt paid.
"Of course the individual can do everything better than the state."
*WHOOSH* For your benefit, this was sarcasm, foolishly I assumed you would be intelligent enough to understand that. Sorry, I wont assume any intelligence on your part in future.
As they say sarcasm is wasted on those to stupid to understand it.
Stinging tree story, See bridge above.
I am well aware that you do not have public health care in the US, as I am equally aware that 40 million US citizens have no health care, and can be and are thrown out on the streets from hospitals to die. How do they have the highest survival rates?
You really swallowed the lies about public health care didnt you?
And as for your amusing attempt at trying to cast Bush as left wing, I thought he was a member of the Republican party, those silly right wing neanderthals certainly supported him by voting regularly for his legislation in congress did they not?
Are you saying the republican support socialism?
Wikipedia in my opinion is useless as a reference for any definitions. Use a decent dictionaryy and the story is different to that presented in your link. You can stamp your little feet and throw insults as much as you like but thats the way it is.
As for public utilities, I can only go by my own experiences, where electricity rose 30% when privatised, repairs for telephones in country areas went from 90% within 24 hours to 90% within 2 weeks. No conjecture, actual experience, and accounts to show it.
I have never heard of any AU citizen being refused treatment or drugs at a hospital on a cost basis under the Medicare and PBS.
Even the poorest get excellent treatment for any ailment-not just life threatening ones as is the rule in the US.
What gives you the idea you can comment on a system about which you are so obviously ignorant.
Your paranoia and complete lack of understanding of socialism is amusing to say the least.
Better go get some medication for it.
Try and do something about that naivete of yours too.
What a pity the facts of the case bear nor resemblance to your rant.
Is there some part of 'He was only permitted to release the passwords to the mayor' you dont understand?
Was there some part of "in any other country" that was not clear.
The poster I was replying to wrote;
"he is the classic 60's derivative Marxist Socialist"
By any sensible standards-even US ones-he is not.
Quoting wikipedia does your case little to no good really. A credible source would be better. (-:
Was not the previous US adminstration the most statist in living memory, you remember Bush don't you? I thought he was a bit right wing what?
Of course the individual can do everything better than the state.
Chusk Norris could have won WW2 all by himself.
I just designed a better fighter than the F22 Raptor on the back of an envelope.
In just a few minutes I could have saved the allies heaps of effort and resources by doing the entire Manhattan project in my kitchen.
If I am bored tommorow I might send someone to the moon. (-:
Some things are naturally better done collectively.
In every case here (.au) of a public utility (Water, sanitation, gas, communications, electricity) we have ended up worse off in terms of both price and quality of service after handing them to be run privately.
Most of the rest of the western world has decent public health administered by the govt.
I miss token ring you know, one of the great pleasures in life was to tell the boss/customer we had lost the token, and ask him to look around his office for it........
Theres no need to curse, using the "B" word.
Unless your after the most gratuitous use of the B word in a serious screenplay.
Ah AC troll, you really have no idea of what a socialist is. Obama in any other country would be in the mid range of right wing. Nowhere near socialist.
If you had any courage in your convictions you would post logged in and accept yuour karma hit.
The Dixie Chicks shoulda got a medal.
They were one of the few groups of artists who showed any integrity or courage at all.
The bulk of the music industry was cowardly in the extreme in not protesting a war (Iraq) that anyone in the world should have known was based on false pretences. (At the time surveys showed 75% of the worlds population was against the war in Iraq)
I remember thinking that John Lennon would have been spinning in his grave at craven cowardice shown by most artists.
At least the Presidents stood up, with the excellent American Ididot.
A hew cliche is a cantradiction in terms I think you will find.
Sir Desmond Galzebrook one said:
"You cant change horses mid straem or you will be up the creek without a paddle, and then the balloon goes up"
He only talks in cliches. He would talk in cliches until the cows come home.
Yes Priminister.
Some of us even regard decent public health care as a defining issue as to whether a country is civilized.
Well said Sir. For all its failings I find Slashdot
great for its range of viewpoints and moderation.
Whilst the moderation can be bad sometimes, its still much better than other forums I have visited,
as is th equality oif the good posts.
Worst of which is the namby pamby vastly overmderated whirlpool forum in au.
Does the rest of the world have the right to ignore your opinion? Yes.
The only thing you learn fro history is thaty no one ever learns from history.
Great post oh ancient (4 digit ID) wise badger.
Perhaps they dont care what shallow people think?
They dont necesarily go out of their way, they just have no dress sense, or dont care about looks.
When the drummer in my band, who looks fairly "Evil" shaves his goatee, everyone makes fun of him, his wife tells him he loks gormless.
Still as I said above one should check ID of any unexpected commercial caller at your door, regarless of how they look.
Strangely, sometimes the guy in the suit and tie is the evil one.
I have met more assholes wearing suits than I have guys who look as you so cutely put it anti-social who are assholes.