Well of course they don't. "Anonymous" isn't an organization, its just random people. People from every country and with every opinion. It's about as organized as a riot. If this had been Obama they'd have done the same thing. If this had been ANYONE they would have done the same thing.
That doesn't change the fact that it was ballsy. The guy who did that knew damn well he was getting into something big, and posted it anyway. That's brave.
My only regret is that they didn't forward every email to a dummy account and then post them. I support what was done.
Oh... wait... he found it wasn't working so now he's a cut-throat asshole just like the rest of them who will lie at the drop of a hat?
Of course you'll read this and say "Well he's keeping things even" and frankly I don't give a damn anymore, I'm tired of it all and no one changes anyone elses opinion, vote for whoever you want... just don't get your facts backwards
No, this was *chan (Anon, whatever you want to call them). I was there when everyone was discussing it. (Site used to be funny, I still drop in now and then for a laugh).
I had nothing to do with the actuall hacking of course, but frankly I agree with them doing it. #1, what dumb ass does government business at "gov.palin@yahoo.com"... seriously... and #2, if she IS for some reason a danger to her position then america should know that before electing her.
Regardless of what's in there, I still say anyone who's never been outside the US before is going to be a nightmare to forign policy (alright she took a vacation to mexico last year, and they shipped her to an army base for a few hours in iraq... well... near iraq)
Anonymous isn't a group any more then the western hemisphear is a group. There's not exactly an application.
All this means is someone from 4chan got into her account and posted it for a laugh.
Also: " It would be one thing if they found evidence of corruption, but this is merely digital tabloid fluff. " You won't find anything if you don't look.
Stem cells
Stem cell research advocates say it may successfully lead to treatments for many chronic diseases and injuries, saving lives, but opponents argue that using embryos as a source for stem cells destroys human life. What is your position on government regulation and funding of stem cell research?
John McCain
While I support federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, I believe clear lines should be drawn that reflect a refusal to sacrifice moral values and ethical principles for the sake of scientific progress. Moreover, I believe that recent scientific breakthroughs raise the hope that one day this debate will be rendered academic. I also support funding for other research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research which hold much scientific promise and do not involve the use of embryos. I oppose the intentional creation of human embryos for research purposes and I voted to ban the practice of âoefetal farming,â making it a federal crime for researchers to use cells or fetal tissue from an embryo created for research purposes.
Barack Obama
Stem cell research holds the promise of improving our lives in at least three waysâ"by substituting normal cells for damaged cells to treat diabetes, Parkinsonâ(TM)s disease, spinal cord injury, heart failure and other disorders; by providing scientists with safe and convenient models of disease for drug development; and by helping to understand fundamental aspects of normal development and cell dysfunction.
For these reasons, I strongly support expanding research on stem cells. I believe that the restrictions that President Bush has placed on funding of human embryonic stem cell research have handcuffed our scientists and hindered our ability to compete with other nations. As president, I will lift the current administrationâ(TM)s ban on federal funding of research on embryonic stem cell lines created after August 9, 2001 through executive order, and I will ensure that all research on stem cells is conducted ethically and with rigorous oversight.
I recognize that some people object to government support of research that requires cells to be harvested from human embryos. However, hundreds of thousands of embryos stored in the U.S. in in-vitro fertilization clinics will not be used for reproductive purposes, and will eventually be destroyed. I believe that it is ethical to use these extra embryos for research that could save lives when they are freely donated for that express purpose.
I am also aware that there have been suggestions that human stem cells of various types, derived from sources other than embryos, make the use of embryonic stem cells unnecessary. I don't agree. While adult stem cells, such as those harvested from blood or bone marrow, are already used for treatment of some diseases, they do not have the versatility of embryonic stem cells and cannot replace them. Recent discoveries indicate that adult skin cells can be reprogrammed to behave like stem cells; these are exciting findings that might in the future lead to an alternate source of highly versatile stem cells. However, embryonic stem cells remain the âoegold standard,â and studies of all types of stem cells should continue in parallel for the foreseeable future.
Rather than restrict the funding of such research, I favor responsible oversight of it, in accord with recent reports from the National Research Council. Recommendations from the NRC reports are already being followed by institutions that conduct human embryonic stem cell research with funds from a variety of sources. An expanded, federally-supported stem cell research program will encourage talented U.S. scientists to engage in this important new field, will allow more effective oversight, and will signal to other countries our commitment to compete in this exciting area of medical research.
tl;dr version
McCain: Stem Cells bad, you kill baby, no kill baby. Why science want to eat baby? No care if you sick.
Obama: Stem Cells good, only use already dead baby, not live baby. We watch them, make sure they not eat your babys. You not have to be sick.
And the extreamist suicide bombers are a tiny fraction of the world over there... doesn't stop us from judging the whole of their society based on their actions.
I saw a post on here about 'testable results' and can't find it, so I'm being lazy and starting a new thread.
Evolution DOES have testable and predictable results. The problem is you have to know every peice of enviromental factors to predict where evolution will take a species. You can't exactly say "Well, this bug will be purple in 8924 generations" because in order to know what's going to happen you have to know everything about it's situation between now and then. In the wild, that's difficult. In the lab it's still tricky, but possible.
To give an example, evolution would predict that if a large population were poisoned in a way that all were exposed but it was only killed 50% of them (weak poison for example, or only a short term exposure) then the 50% survivors would breed and their children would have more resistant children. If this repeated every generation or ten, then eventually the whole population would be resistant or immune.
We see this all the time, it's why hospitals are having trouble with super resistant illnesses. Your treatment kills 99.9% of a microbe, that.1% who were strong enough to survive now have tough children just like them. Next time, your soap kills 99%... then 95%... soon those surivors are getting tougher and tougher.
And don't give me that microevolution crap. We control evolution on a daily basis. Dogs, Cats, Cows, Horses... any number of other cases where WE chose what traits get to breed, and which ones don't. You think that pomeranians were the natural 'next step' in survivablility in wolves? When you breed dogs for a specific trait, you're altering their evolution manually... all the theory of evolution states is that this form of breeding happens naturally (the best fit for their enviroment survive to breed again) taken over a LONG ASS TIME (I think this is the part people really can't grok) cause a species to change.
crap, this is turning into a rant...
I really wish I could tie down creationists, tape their eyes open clockwork orange style, and force feed them facts untill they woke up. Most of them are good people, just overly defendent of what they grew up hearing...
Yes, in the philosophy that "Nothing can be proven" or whatever nonsense, no, it's not 'false'. I could say the same of FSM or the pet dragon I have in my house
What it IS though, is untrue in our world. It didn't happen, we know this. That's my view of the word false
It's the key you buy when you buy a game with a key.
If you lose the key, you lost the product. Imagine this from their point of view. Every key is a copy of that game. So if they are handing them out, people are going to call up about how their key was "Stolen" all day long. Why even BUY the game if you can keep calling them for a free copy?
Granted, this system is flawed as hell, that's why steam moved away from that stupidity (valve ftw)... however, it's the best system they could come up with at the time.
Wait now... you're blaming them for someone taking your CD key?
yeah... name one developer that has a good system to help you out of that one.
Crappy luck, but there's no way around that problem from the ages of CD keys. If you get something thru steam there's no CD key, it just links to your account, and 5 years from now you still have the thing. They have a great system. If you are judging steams current system by a flaw in the pre-steam system (the same system every other idiot company uses) by this weird ass situation (What are the odds of someone GUESSING your CD key?) then you really don't understand what happened to you.
As for the WoW/Wrath thing, they don't need security, it connects to the game server to work... every time you connect you have to have an account, and that's where they make their money. Hell, I legaly own it and I've downloaded WoW several times after reformatting because I've lost the disks. Doesn't matter because you have to pay monthly for it anyway.
You're right... much better to let some asshole who wants to funnel off school funds, or change peoples grades, or whatever he had access to find it. It's always best to bury your head in the sand and pretend the server is perfectly secure.
I'm sure that a letter saying "I think I can get into your system" wouldn't have been thrown on the pile of wackjobs if he had mailed them about it. People in IT check every single case of "I might be able to hack you" they get right?
He did this to prove it was possible, and once he know it was, he told them about it. I'd much rather encurage benificial hacking then live in the fairy land of magical secure servers to feel better about it.
Looking at it from this point of view, I'd have mailed them, waited a month, and then hacked it. Then you have a record of telling them and proof that you were 'on their side' so to speak. Probably still wouldn't have mattered, but it would go a lot farther to prove your case.
(all of this is assuming a lot of course about the situation, I wasn't there and don't know the details)
and the fun part is individual citizens of the city now have to pay for this legal case, and they aren't getting their internet... if it takes years, the people will only see that their goverment isn't getting anything done and vote them out... then either the telco gets their way with the newly purchased (er... elected) government, OR they do get the network and the new governer gets credit for the work this one put in.
Our lawyers need to grow up and stop being such babies about interpreting the letter of the law
Yeah... that'll happen. You see, if lawers stopped doing that, then we won't need lawers to protect us from that. I'm sure an entire line of work would admit they are their own problem.
An athiest would say: Our scans of mars show there are no elephants. We feel that the studies we have done, coupled with our understanding of biology, show beyond a doubt there are none there.
A thiest would say: There are elephants on mars. The reason we have not seen them is they are behind rocks and the studies where done in the wrong places. You can't disprove the exsistance of elephants on mars, so there are elephants on mars.
An agnostic would say: You can't know for certain one way or the other.
Funny thing though, is according to the bible, if you doubt for even a second it's unforgivable... even if you're really sorry and really believe afterward. So yeah, anyone who claims to have honestly thought about it is going to hell anyway.
My advice; Avoid hell. Throw out your computer and tv, burn your books, move into the woods. Let us sinners enjoy our 80 years like the fools we are... then after the rapture, you'll spend the first billions of billions of years laughing at us all.
He's saying it's inaccurate.
I think something like "Athiesm is to faith as bald is to hair color" or "Athiesm is to faith as naked is to fashion" would be better
My grasp of physics is much better than my limited knowledge of biology.
And yet you feel the need to open your mouth and proclaim doom.
Can we mod this guy +5 kickass?
So damn sick of people who have no idea how something works lending their halfassed opinions to the matter and expecting people to listen. Yes this is more directed at the LHC Lawsuits then this guy, but the point stands.
Can you imagine how stupid these people sound to the real experts?
"Well the car's not working. Now I know nothing about cars, but I was told when they're running it blows air out of the tailpipe. As you can see, it's not blowing air right now, so it stands to reason that if we suck on the tailpipe the car will be fixed."
lot scarier if you're a reporter... you hear about that crap? You'd think that reporters being arrested and protests might be a hint that you're doing something wrong.
Next we'll be changing our military uniforms to stormtrooper outfits with crosses on the chest.
Here's hoping a telepathic farmboy, an old man, and a drug runner bail us out.
haha, yeah given the current state of 4chan I can understand where you're comming from. Place went to hell about 2-3 years ago. Was fun while it lasted though.
The biggest problem was when it went from "Normal people acting stupid" to "Stupid people acting stupid". Once the stupidity was real, it crashed.
I stand by my statement though, that was funny as hell:P
Slashdot Mirror
Well of course they don't. "Anonymous" isn't an organization, its just random people. People from every country and with every opinion. It's about as organized as a riot. If this had been Obama they'd have done the same thing. If this had been ANYONE they would have done the same thing.
That doesn't change the fact that it was ballsy. The guy who did that knew damn well he was getting into something big, and posted it anyway. That's brave.
My only regret is that they didn't forward every email to a dummy account and then post them. I support what was done.
And this crazy bitch using her yahoo account to do illegally hide government business, so... yeah I think that the first fuckup was on her side.
a few brave people are risking to break the law to expose what this woman is doing, and you're just bitching... I don't understand americans
Yeah, because McCain's still doing that 'straight shooter' nonsense.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080913/pl_politico/13412
Oh... wait... he found it wasn't working so now he's a cut-throat asshole just like the rest of them who will lie at the drop of a hat?
Of course you'll read this and say "Well he's keeping things even" and frankly I don't give a damn anymore, I'm tired of it all and no one changes anyone elses opinion, vote for whoever you want... just don't get your facts backwards
No, this was *chan (Anon, whatever you want to call them). I was there when everyone was discussing it. (Site used to be funny, I still drop in now and then for a laugh).
I had nothing to do with the actuall hacking of course, but frankly I agree with them doing it. #1, what dumb ass does government business at "gov.palin@yahoo.com"... seriously... and #2, if she IS for some reason a danger to her position then america should know that before electing her.
Regardless of what's in there, I still say anyone who's never been outside the US before is going to be a nightmare to forign policy (alright she took a vacation to mexico last year, and they shipped her to an army base for a few hours in iraq... well... near iraq)
Anonymous isn't a group any more then the western hemisphear is a group. There's not exactly an application. All this means is someone from 4chan got into her account and posted it for a laugh. Also: " It would be one thing if they found evidence of corruption, but this is merely digital tabloid fluff. " You won't find anything if you don't look.
Aliens just turned on their LHC
tl;dr version
McCain: Stem Cells bad, you kill baby, no kill baby. Why science want to eat baby? No care if you sick.
Obama: Stem Cells good, only use already dead baby, not live baby. We watch them, make sure they not eat your babys. You not have to be sick.
THAT explains why they want creationism in schools so bad. It's anti-terror to stupid up the nation.
Forgot about that rule, my mistake
And the extreamist suicide bombers are a tiny fraction of the world over there... doesn't stop us from judging the whole of their society based on their actions.
I saw a post on here about 'testable results' and can't find it, so I'm being lazy and starting a new thread.
.1% who were strong enough to survive now have tough children just like them. Next time, your soap kills 99%... then 95%... soon those surivors are getting tougher and tougher.
Evolution DOES have testable and predictable results. The problem is you have to know every peice of enviromental factors to predict where evolution will take a species. You can't exactly say "Well, this bug will be purple in 8924 generations" because in order to know what's going to happen you have to know everything about it's situation between now and then. In the wild, that's difficult. In the lab it's still tricky, but possible.
To give an example, evolution would predict that if a large population were poisoned in a way that all were exposed but it was only killed 50% of them (weak poison for example, or only a short term exposure) then the 50% survivors would breed and their children would have more resistant children. If this repeated every generation or ten, then eventually the whole population would be resistant or immune.
We see this all the time, it's why hospitals are having trouble with super resistant illnesses. Your treatment kills 99.9% of a microbe, that
And don't give me that microevolution crap. We control evolution on a daily basis. Dogs, Cats, Cows, Horses... any number of other cases where WE chose what traits get to breed, and which ones don't. You think that pomeranians were the natural 'next step' in survivablility in wolves? When you breed dogs for a specific trait, you're altering their evolution manually... all the theory of evolution states is that this form of breeding happens naturally (the best fit for their enviroment survive to breed again) taken over a LONG ASS TIME (I think this is the part people really can't grok) cause a species to change.
crap, this is turning into a rant...
I really wish I could tie down creationists, tape their eyes open clockwork orange style, and force feed them facts untill they woke up. Most of them are good people, just overly defendent of what they grew up hearing...
Yes, in the philosophy that "Nothing can be proven" or whatever nonsense, no, it's not 'false'. I could say the same of FSM or the pet dragon I have in my house
What it IS though, is untrue in our world. It didn't happen, we know this. That's my view of the word false
Suddenly I get images of "KILL THE MUSLIMS" bullshit in the US
"Known Terrorist"
Who isn't now days?
It's the key you buy when you buy a game with a key.
If you lose the key, you lost the product. Imagine this from their point of view. Every key is a copy of that game. So if they are handing them out, people are going to call up about how their key was "Stolen" all day long. Why even BUY the game if you can keep calling them for a free copy?
Granted, this system is flawed as hell, that's why steam moved away from that stupidity (valve ftw)... however, it's the best system they could come up with at the time.
Wait now... you're blaming them for someone taking your CD key?
yeah... name one developer that has a good system to help you out of that one.
Crappy luck, but there's no way around that problem from the ages of CD keys. If you get something thru steam there's no CD key, it just links to your account, and 5 years from now you still have the thing. They have a great system. If you are judging steams current system by a flaw in the pre-steam system (the same system every other idiot company uses) by this weird ass situation (What are the odds of someone GUESSING your CD key?) then you really don't understand what happened to you.
As for the WoW/Wrath thing, they don't need security, it connects to the game server to work... every time you connect you have to have an account, and that's where they make their money. Hell, I legaly own it and I've downloaded WoW several times after reformatting because I've lost the disks. Doesn't matter because you have to pay monthly for it anyway.
You're right... much better to let some asshole who wants to funnel off school funds, or change peoples grades, or whatever he had access to find it. It's always best to bury your head in the sand and pretend the server is perfectly secure.
I'm sure that a letter saying "I think I can get into your system" wouldn't have been thrown on the pile of wackjobs if he had mailed them about it. People in IT check every single case of "I might be able to hack you" they get right?
He did this to prove it was possible, and once he know it was, he told them about it. I'd much rather encurage benificial hacking then live in the fairy land of magical secure servers to feel better about it.
Looking at it from this point of view, I'd have mailed them, waited a month, and then hacked it. Then you have a record of telling them and proof that you were 'on their side' so to speak. Probably still wouldn't have mattered, but it would go a lot farther to prove your case.
(all of this is assuming a lot of course about the situation, I wasn't there and don't know the details)
and the fun part is individual citizens of the city now have to pay for this legal case, and they aren't getting their internet... if it takes years, the people will only see that their goverment isn't getting anything done and vote them out... then either the telco gets their way with the newly purchased (er... elected) government, OR they do get the network and the new governer gets credit for the work this one put in.
Yeah... that'll happen. You see, if lawers stopped doing that, then we won't need lawers to protect us from that. I'm sure an entire line of work would admit they are their own problem.
An athiest would say: Our scans of mars show there are no elephants. We feel that the studies we have done, coupled with our understanding of biology, show beyond a doubt there are none there.
A thiest would say: There are elephants on mars. The reason we have not seen them is they are behind rocks and the studies where done in the wrong places. You can't disprove the exsistance of elephants on mars, so there are elephants on mars.
An agnostic would say: You can't know for certain one way or the other.
Funny thing though, is according to the bible, if you doubt for even a second it's unforgivable... even if you're really sorry and really believe afterward. So yeah, anyone who claims to have honestly thought about it is going to hell anyway.
My advice; Avoid hell. Throw out your computer and tv, burn your books, move into the woods. Let us sinners enjoy our 80 years like the fools we are... then after the rapture, you'll spend the first billions of billions of years laughing at us all.
Seriously. Go. Leave.
He's saying it's inaccurate. I think something like "Athiesm is to faith as bald is to hair color" or "Athiesm is to faith as naked is to fashion" would be better
Can we mod this guy +5 kickass?
So damn sick of people who have no idea how something works lending their halfassed opinions to the matter and expecting people to listen. Yes this is more directed at the LHC Lawsuits then this guy, but the point stands.
Can you imagine how stupid these people sound to the real experts?
"Well the car's not working. Now I know nothing about cars, but I was told when they're running it blows air out of the tailpipe. As you can see, it's not blowing air right now, so it stands to reason that if we suck on the tailpipe the car will be fixed."
lot scarier if you're a reporter... you hear about that crap? You'd think that reporters being arrested and protests might be a hint that you're doing something wrong.
Next we'll be changing our military uniforms to stormtrooper outfits with crosses on the chest.
Here's hoping a telepathic farmboy, an old man, and a drug runner bail us out.
haha, yeah given the current state of 4chan I can understand where you're comming from. Place went to hell about 2-3 years ago. Was fun while it lasted though.
:P
The biggest problem was when it went from "Normal people acting stupid" to "Stupid people acting stupid". Once the stupidity was real, it crashed.
I stand by my statement though, that was funny as hell