I have mod points, but I don't see the "-5 ethnocentric" choice. That's the whole problem with so many posts in so many articles. People fail to realize that the stories are often global in nature. Think outside the box. Think inside the globe. The world doesn't end at America's coastlines.
This guy should distribute this as a VirtualBox machine or so.
Why? Isn't Chrome available for your OS? ChromiumOS in a vm seems like a lot of work to just run Chrome/Chromium.
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You are right, of course. By the time I have downloaded an ISO, and told VirtualBox to create a new machine which will boot from that ISO, I am exhausted. I've spent AT LEAST 10 minutes inside of GUI's setting up the download, then creating the VM. At this point, I'm ready to take the rest of the week off.
Tell us, Node3 - how much experience do you have with VM's?
Well - don't tell anyone, or it may turn some people off. The dirty little secret is, Chromium is Linux. Go ahead, download it. Mount the image. Look around the file system. Any *nix nerd will feel quite at home. It's just Linux without the furniture. Add your own furniture, and you can have a full blown, fully functional Linux distro.
The year of the Chrome desktop really IS the year of the Linux desktop. Or, net top - or whatever.
Yes - you're missing the fact that China has been around a lot longer than some small bunch of European expat who decided to start their own country in the New World.
WTF makes people believe that the US constitution has any force outside the United States? Do you even have any idea how much world there is outside of the United States?
If RIAA or anyone else happens to see me on the street or on the net, and they record what they see, no big deal. But, RIAA wants to actively monitor your connection. They want the ISP to assist them with that active monitoring. Big difference.
The cops can't put me under surveillance, why should RIAA be able to do so?
"people should drop the concept that the Bill of Rights applies to private and/or corporate entities"
The Bill of Rights never was intended to apply to private and/or corporate entities. It was meant to apply to private, individual, CITIZENS. Entities aren't citizens, and no rights apply to them. You have that much right.
As for my own rights - I'm willing to defend my rights with force. If you don't appreciate your rights, and you don't care to defend them, why do you stay in the US? This is the land of the free, and the home of the brave. You must be uncomfortable here.
"boils down to the fact that the school officials will take little if any flack for over reacting in the name of safety, but they will lose their jobs and be raked through the mud if they fail to react to an "obvious" threat."
So - how do you define "ineptitude"? These are educators. These are people who interact with the kid, daily. These are the people who gave the kid an assignment. Presumably, they can ASK the kid what his project is meant to do. Presumably they can understand the basic concept when he explains it.
Inept asses who should never have graduated college, let alone become educators. Parents should consider pulling their kids out of that school, as the educators obviously have no common sense, poor judgement, and are unlikely to teach the kids anything worth knowing.
Very good point - one I probably should have made. Second to price in importance is CONVENIENCE. Ask any customer. We tech literate bemoan the fact that computer users in general don't want to think about ANYTHING - they expect the computer to read their minds, then lead them by the hands.
DRM is an inconvenience at some point to EVERYONE! Many posts have been made in the gaming section of slashdot, pointing out that even honest players who wish to obey the rules find games unplayable, so they download the pirated version of the game they just paid $50+ for. The pirate version JUST WORKS!!
With the entire industry conspiring to make the populace believe that this inconvenience is "necessary", the DOJ has a good case, without ever considering the price of music/games/software.
It's not the price, it's the collusion. The labels are supposed to be in competition with each other. Slashdot has repeatedly recognized that the business of a business is to make money - by whatever means possible. Without collusion and general agreement in the backrooms and lounges, one or more labels might actually become convinced that giving away lots and lots of music is the true route to fortune. Baen Books has learned that lesson - especially with older books. They release an out of print book, FOR FREE, and people not only start asking for that book, but they purchase even more books by the same author, and/or in the same genre.
In the case of the labels represented by RIAA, everyone is part of the Good Old Boy's club, everyone is in lockstep, with the same program, same menu, same tactics. They have a happy status quo, and no one is about to rock the boat with anything so barbaric as COMPETITION!!
I'm repeating myself from another story here on slashdot - but, if it's only the "unwashed masses", they why does Corporate America still lose and/or spend billions to malware and/or hacking?
And, I'll note here, I said "Microsoft products". I didn't limit myself to the operating system(s). Outlook and Office have contributed their share to the net losses to the corporate world. Anything else, that I'm neglecting? Microsoft has a lot of products, after all.
You're right, the most FREQUENT cause of data loss is the loose nut at the keyboard. And, every OS has it's loose nuts. But - when supposedly secure institutions which employ high dollar IT people to make things secure lose money, well, something isn't exactly right.
because some people choose a better price for a consumer product, they are parasites compared to people who shop in mom and pop stores. =================== Well - I've posted this many times, in many places. Take a consumer product. Just pick one. Find several samples from around the world. Really look at the quality of each sample. We know ahead of time, you can expect to find the best quality of some items in one locale, the best of another item somewhere else, etc. I'm going to pick knives and tools - something that I use a lot of.
Your standard open and box end wrench makes a good example. The market is flooded with cheap Chinese wrenches. I can buy an entire set of wrenches for the same price I pay for a single American made wrench. But - put those wrenches to work. The box end rounds out and slips after a short period of time - I look at it, it's CHINESE. I put the open end on a stubborn nut, and turn - just to have the wrench break in half. No big deal, you might say - except, when the wrench broke, I overbalanced and cracked my head into the machine I was working on. The doctor says I don't have a concussion - but he wants $100 for the office visit.
I could have bought three sets of American made wrenches for that office visit.
I mentioned knives. The US doesn't have the corner on good knives. Europe makes knives that are equal to anything we make. Get a good knife - Schrade, an older Buck, Case - pick a good knife. Walk through Wal-Mart, and pick up one of those cheap 2 to 5 dollar knives made in China. Take out your good quality US or Euro knife, and try carving pieces out of the Chinese knife. You bet your arse it will dull the good quality knife - but I can sharpen it up again. The Chinese knife? It might make good filler metal in a welded fitting, if you're not terribly demanding.
I kinda like knives - not a collector or anything, I just like them. I've seen some excellent knives from places that surprised me, starting with Japan, the Phillipines, South Africa. Strangely, I've never seen a single high quality knife made in China.
Dude - if you can't get basic metallurgy right, then how on earth can you get high tech right? Good steel isn't much more complicated than baking a cake, after all. You start with a proven recipe, measure carefully, take your time and get the heat right, mix properly - and the work is almost done. All that's left is cutting, rolling, forging, or otherwise shaping and forming.
Do Chinese bake? Come on - I'm sure you guys have breads, cakes, cookies, and other grain products. What's so hard about making good iron and steel? Maybe the problem is, no one really gives a shit.
Whatever. Quality. It isn't something a salesman puts into a product. It doesn't matter how much advertising hype Target puts out. When I walk into Target, and find a shirt with one sleeve longer than the other, it's a shit product. When we buy some milk chocolate, just to read headlines about melanine laced dairy products, it's a shit product. When homes are built with drywall from China which gives off corrosive fumes, that is a shit product.
But, "consumers" don't look at quality anyway. Don't mind me - I'm the odd man out in the US today. I expect things to perform, and to last. I don't look at the advertising, the packaging, or even the cosmetic finish of most products. I want performance and durability.
China's products are not known for either trait. Which is kinda funny. China has the most durable CULTURE in the world. (note, I didn't say government, or even society - I said culture)
That's one point of view. Another is, after 4 to 6 warnings, no one can claim to have been hit by a "drive by" without any warning at all.
"Look here, stupid. Firefox warned you TWICE that some unknown software could be malware. After which, Windows warned you twice. Look at the logs. You dismissed all four warnings, and purposefully installed this crap onto this machine. I think that we should go up front, and speak to the boss about your willful, and deliberate violation of company rules and policies."
An incident or six like this would probably motivate some people to READ the warnings, and give them at least a passing thought.
Alright - I read your question, then a couple responses - but it isn't clear here that you're asking the question correctly. Humor me for a moment, then decide whether you asked the right question.
You have access to the web, with a hardware router behind the modem. That hardware router services both wireless and wired LANs, right?
You want to set up a router behind that router? You still won't be able to monitor traffic going through that hardware router. You need to put your *nix router between the modem and the hardware router, so that you become the gateway for all traffic going to and from the internet.
Of course, that is still not satisfactory if you wish to monitor traffic within the LAN. For that, you want to eliminate the hardware router entirely. Install the hardware to make your *nix router serve the WIFI and the wired LAN, and eliminate that hardware router entirely.
You can only monitor and control traffic that is being gated through your router, so you want it ALL to be routed through your box!
And, "some of us" find these posts amusing. The FACT is, Microsoft products are the primary vector for every malware known to man.
Using your logic, we should go back to dumping sewerage in the streets. I mean, yeah, it's kinda nasty, but plenty of people lived to be old aged in medieval Europe, right? They were probably the people who didn't click on purple apes too. Just forget about that plague thing. Over-hyped nonsense.
"According to TFA, this vulnerability was in IE6."
TBH, I haven't read TFA. If TFA says the vulnerability was in IE6 alone, then I think TFA errs. I've read through 3 different related articles before seeing it come up here on slashdot. The vulnerability is also in IE7 and IE8. The fix is really simple - put your IE security settings up to maximum to prevent any DirectX from running, unless you specifically approve of it.
Of course, having your security settings on max is a real hassle. On my XP virtual machine, when I download an executable, I'm asked/reminded 4 times that the file COULD BE malware. That's a lot of time. But, I don't change it. Running an executable SHOULD be a minor pain. Given the opportunity, I'd make everyone click through a half dozen warnings.
Google isn't the first, nor the last, company to decide it isn't worth it to do business in China.
Everything that comes into the country belongs to the "people". And, of course, the "people" means the government. You wanna do business? Fine - sign your ass away to us, then fall into line, chump.
There shouldn't even be an Air Force. The Army Air Corps were some ballsy sons of bitches, innovative, and part of the entire team. That Army Air Corps invented close in ground support for the grunts fighting on the ground, among other things. Their pilots would often come back to base with mud, grass, and blood and gore on their windshields.
The Air Force? What the HELL do they do, that the Army and the Navy can't do better? (Lest anyone get upset that I've "forgotten" the Marines - they are part of the Department of the Navy. Marine Corps, Medical Corps, Supply Corps - I don't forget my brothers.)
"It's a godsend, especially to lower income people living in small towns, that WalMart has broken up that operation."
Shortsighted people are always happy to save a dime, or a dollar. Those who can see further than the length of their noses look around to see where the money goes, and how it works after it's out of their pockets.
Money spent at Wal-Mart does your community no good. Money spent at Mom & Pop's all goes back into your community - minus restocking costs, of course.
Likewise, money spent on Chinese goods all goes to help China boot strap itself into the next "super power". Money spent on US goods goes right back into the United States.
I know - this is terribly complicated, and it might take months of study for the average consumer to understand this. But, this is why they are "consumers" and not "producers". Parasitic morons.
Now, if Monsanto is making genetically modified BARLEY, then we have something to worry about. FFS, I'll be might pissed if they start messing with one of life's few clean vices! How about lagers and ales? I won't drink American piss water - I could ferment dirty oily rags, and come up with something better than most American beers!
"If we only relied on our senses, we could assume that it's safe to live next to Chernobyl ffs!"
Maybe. On the other hand, relying on your senses alone, you can determine that the fuana and flora around Chernobyl aren't exactly "right", and decide to live elsewhere.
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Real men (not to mention wannabes and dykes) prefer real boots - not fake fur gay shit.
http://www.wolverine.com/US/Gallery/N/WORK.aspx
Take your homoerotic crap elsewhere.
I have mod points, but I don't see the "-5 ethnocentric" choice. That's the whole problem with so many posts in so many articles. People fail to realize that the stories are often global in nature. Think outside the box. Think inside the globe. The world doesn't end at America's coastlines.
This guy should distribute this as a VirtualBox machine or so.
Why? Isn't Chrome available for your OS? ChromiumOS in a vm seems like a lot of work to just run Chrome/Chromium.
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You are right, of course. By the time I have downloaded an ISO, and told VirtualBox to create a new machine which will boot from that ISO, I am exhausted. I've spent AT LEAST 10 minutes inside of GUI's setting up the download, then creating the VM. At this point, I'm ready to take the rest of the week off.
Tell us, Node3 - how much experience do you have with VM's?
Well - don't tell anyone, or it may turn some people off. The dirty little secret is, Chromium is Linux. Go ahead, download it. Mount the image. Look around the file system. Any *nix nerd will feel quite at home. It's just Linux without the furniture. Add your own furniture, and you can have a full blown, fully functional Linux distro.
The year of the Chrome desktop really IS the year of the Linux desktop. Or, net top - or whatever.
Yes - you're missing the fact that China has been around a lot longer than some small bunch of European expat who decided to start their own country in the New World.
WTF makes people believe that the US constitution has any force outside the United States? Do you even have any idea how much world there is outside of the United States?
If RIAA or anyone else happens to see me on the street or on the net, and they record what they see, no big deal. But, RIAA wants to actively monitor your connection. They want the ISP to assist them with that active monitoring. Big difference.
The cops can't put me under surveillance, why should RIAA be able to do so?
"people should drop the concept that the Bill of Rights applies to private and/or corporate entities"
The Bill of Rights never was intended to apply to private and/or corporate entities. It was meant to apply to private, individual, CITIZENS. Entities aren't citizens, and no rights apply to them. You have that much right.
As for my own rights - I'm willing to defend my rights with force. If you don't appreciate your rights, and you don't care to defend them, why do you stay in the US? This is the land of the free, and the home of the brave. You must be uncomfortable here.
"We're all for net neutrality, except that we hate the concept and it should be changed to reflect this."
How about a little fix?
"We're all for net neutrality, so long as it can be modified to fit into the perfect police state."
"It isn't necessarily ineptitude"
"boils down to the fact that the school officials will take little if any flack for over reacting in the name of safety, but they will lose their jobs and be raked through the mud if they fail to react to an "obvious" threat."
So - how do you define "ineptitude"? These are educators. These are people who interact with the kid, daily. These are the people who gave the kid an assignment. Presumably, they can ASK the kid what his project is meant to do. Presumably they can understand the basic concept when he explains it.
Inept asses who should never have graduated college, let alone become educators. Parents should consider pulling their kids out of that school, as the educators obviously have no common sense, poor judgement, and are unlikely to teach the kids anything worth knowing.
Very good point - one I probably should have made. Second to price in importance is CONVENIENCE. Ask any customer. We tech literate bemoan the fact that computer users in general don't want to think about ANYTHING - they expect the computer to read their minds, then lead them by the hands.
DRM is an inconvenience at some point to EVERYONE! Many posts have been made in the gaming section of slashdot, pointing out that even honest players who wish to obey the rules find games unplayable, so they download the pirated version of the game they just paid $50+ for. The pirate version JUST WORKS!!
With the entire industry conspiring to make the populace believe that this inconvenience is "necessary", the DOJ has a good case, without ever considering the price of music/games/software.
It's not the price, it's the collusion. The labels are supposed to be in competition with each other. Slashdot has repeatedly recognized that the business of a business is to make money - by whatever means possible. Without collusion and general agreement in the backrooms and lounges, one or more labels might actually become convinced that giving away lots and lots of music is the true route to fortune. Baen Books has learned that lesson - especially with older books. They release an out of print book, FOR FREE, and people not only start asking for that book, but they purchase even more books by the same author, and/or in the same genre.
In the case of the labels represented by RIAA, everyone is part of the Good Old Boy's club, everyone is in lockstep, with the same program, same menu, same tactics. They have a happy status quo, and no one is about to rock the boat with anything so barbaric as COMPETITION!!
Ditto. Yes, this story makes me so happy, I'm willing to be a dittohead for awhile. Enjoy while you can! ;^)
I'm repeating myself from another story here on slashdot - but, if it's only the "unwashed masses", they why does Corporate America still lose and/or spend billions to malware and/or hacking?
And, I'll note here, I said "Microsoft products". I didn't limit myself to the operating system(s). Outlook and Office have contributed their share to the net losses to the corporate world. Anything else, that I'm neglecting? Microsoft has a lot of products, after all.
You're right, the most FREQUENT cause of data loss is the loose nut at the keyboard. And, every OS has it's loose nuts. But - when supposedly secure institutions which employ high dollar IT people to make things secure lose money, well, something isn't exactly right.
because some people choose a better price for a consumer product, they are parasites compared to people who shop in mom and pop stores.
===================
Well - I've posted this many times, in many places. Take a consumer product. Just pick one. Find several samples from around the world. Really look at the quality of each sample. We know ahead of time, you can expect to find the best quality of some items in one locale, the best of another item somewhere else, etc. I'm going to pick knives and tools - something that I use a lot of.
Your standard open and box end wrench makes a good example. The market is flooded with cheap Chinese wrenches. I can buy an entire set of wrenches for the same price I pay for a single American made wrench. But - put those wrenches to work. The box end rounds out and slips after a short period of time - I look at it, it's CHINESE. I put the open end on a stubborn nut, and turn - just to have the wrench break in half. No big deal, you might say - except, when the wrench broke, I overbalanced and cracked my head into the machine I was working on. The doctor says I don't have a concussion - but he wants $100 for the office visit.
I could have bought three sets of American made wrenches for that office visit.
I mentioned knives. The US doesn't have the corner on good knives. Europe makes knives that are equal to anything we make. Get a good knife - Schrade, an older Buck, Case - pick a good knife. Walk through Wal-Mart, and pick up one of those cheap 2 to 5 dollar knives made in China. Take out your good quality US or Euro knife, and try carving pieces out of the Chinese knife. You bet your arse it will dull the good quality knife - but I can sharpen it up again. The Chinese knife? It might make good filler metal in a welded fitting, if you're not terribly demanding.
I kinda like knives - not a collector or anything, I just like them. I've seen some excellent knives from places that surprised me, starting with Japan, the Phillipines, South Africa. Strangely, I've never seen a single high quality knife made in China.
Dude - if you can't get basic metallurgy right, then how on earth can you get high tech right? Good steel isn't much more complicated than baking a cake, after all. You start with a proven recipe, measure carefully, take your time and get the heat right, mix properly - and the work is almost done. All that's left is cutting, rolling, forging, or otherwise shaping and forming.
Do Chinese bake? Come on - I'm sure you guys have breads, cakes, cookies, and other grain products. What's so hard about making good iron and steel? Maybe the problem is, no one really gives a shit.
Whatever. Quality. It isn't something a salesman puts into a product. It doesn't matter how much advertising hype Target puts out. When I walk into Target, and find a shirt with one sleeve longer than the other, it's a shit product. When we buy some milk chocolate, just to read headlines about melanine laced dairy products, it's a shit product. When homes are built with drywall from China which gives off corrosive fumes, that is a shit product.
But, "consumers" don't look at quality anyway. Don't mind me - I'm the odd man out in the US today. I expect things to perform, and to last. I don't look at the advertising, the packaging, or even the cosmetic finish of most products. I want performance and durability.
China's products are not known for either trait. Which is kinda funny. China has the most durable CULTURE in the world. (note, I didn't say government, or even society - I said culture)
That's one point of view. Another is, after 4 to 6 warnings, no one can claim to have been hit by a "drive by" without any warning at all.
"Look here, stupid. Firefox warned you TWICE that some unknown software could be malware. After which, Windows warned you twice. Look at the logs. You dismissed all four warnings, and purposefully installed this crap onto this machine. I think that we should go up front, and speak to the boss about your willful, and deliberate violation of company rules and policies."
An incident or six like this would probably motivate some people to READ the warnings, and give them at least a passing thought.
Alright - I read your question, then a couple responses - but it isn't clear here that you're asking the question correctly. Humor me for a moment, then decide whether you asked the right question.
You have access to the web, with a hardware router behind the modem. That hardware router services both wireless and wired LANs, right?
You want to set up a router behind that router? You still won't be able to monitor traffic going through that hardware router. You need to put your *nix router between the modem and the hardware router, so that you become the gateway for all traffic going to and from the internet.
Of course, that is still not satisfactory if you wish to monitor traffic within the LAN. For that, you want to eliminate the hardware router entirely. Install the hardware to make your *nix router serve the WIFI and the wired LAN, and eliminate that hardware router entirely.
You can only monitor and control traffic that is being gated through your router, so you want it ALL to be routed through your box!
And, "some of us" find these posts amusing. The FACT is, Microsoft products are the primary vector for every malware known to man.
Using your logic, we should go back to dumping sewerage in the streets. I mean, yeah, it's kinda nasty, but plenty of people lived to be old aged in medieval Europe, right? They were probably the people who didn't click on purple apes too. Just forget about that plague thing. Over-hyped nonsense.
"According to TFA, this vulnerability was in IE6."
TBH, I haven't read TFA. If TFA says the vulnerability was in IE6 alone, then I think TFA errs. I've read through 3 different related articles before seeing it come up here on slashdot. The vulnerability is also in IE7 and IE8. The fix is really simple - put your IE security settings up to maximum to prevent any DirectX from running, unless you specifically approve of it.
Of course, having your security settings on max is a real hassle. On my XP virtual machine, when I download an executable, I'm asked/reminded 4 times that the file COULD BE malware. That's a lot of time. But, I don't change it. Running an executable SHOULD be a minor pain. Given the opportunity, I'd make everyone click through a half dozen warnings.
Google isn't the first, nor the last, company to decide it isn't worth it to do business in China.
Everything that comes into the country belongs to the "people". And, of course, the "people" means the government. You wanna do business? Fine - sign your ass away to us, then fall into line, chump.
There shouldn't even be an Air Force. The Army Air Corps were some ballsy sons of bitches, innovative, and part of the entire team. That Army Air Corps invented close in ground support for the grunts fighting on the ground, among other things. Their pilots would often come back to base with mud, grass, and blood and gore on their windshields.
The Air Force? What the HELL do they do, that the Army and the Navy can't do better? (Lest anyone get upset that I've "forgotten" the Marines - they are part of the Department of the Navy. Marine Corps, Medical Corps, Supply Corps - I don't forget my brothers.)
Oh - the Air Force is good at flying nukes around the country that someone forgot to unload and secure properly.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/05/loose.nukes/index.html
Maybe if those flyboys mingled with real troops now and then, they wouldn't be such lame fuckups. Maybe.
"It's a godsend, especially to lower income people living in small towns, that WalMart has broken up that operation."
Shortsighted people are always happy to save a dime, or a dollar. Those who can see further than the length of their noses look around to see where the money goes, and how it works after it's out of their pockets.
Money spent at Wal-Mart does your community no good. Money spent at Mom & Pop's all goes back into your community - minus restocking costs, of course.
Likewise, money spent on Chinese goods all goes to help China boot strap itself into the next "super power". Money spent on US goods goes right back into the United States.
I know - this is terribly complicated, and it might take months of study for the average consumer to understand this. But, this is why they are "consumers" and not "producers". Parasitic morons.
I tried that. Broke the kindle. Maybe I should have picked a blind person who is less hard headed?
Scotch whisky, fortified with a CORN PRODUCT?
I don't think so. Citations needed.
http://www.lochlomonddistillery.com/making-scotch.htm
Now, if Monsanto is making genetically modified BARLEY, then we have something to worry about. FFS, I'll be might pissed if they start messing with one of life's few clean vices! How about lagers and ales? I won't drink American piss water - I could ferment dirty oily rags, and come up with something better than most American beers!
"If we only relied on our senses, we could assume that it's safe to live next to Chernobyl ffs!"
Maybe. On the other hand, relying on your senses alone, you can determine that the fuana and flora around Chernobyl aren't exactly "right", and decide to live elsewhere.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0426_060426_chernobyl.html
It makes Anonymous Coward ask silly questions . . . obviously.